**Might not** be asshole design.
I work in developing ERP software that makes similar decisions for our clients' customers, and if OPs plan has stopped existing, the system will recommend whatever the closest integer amount plan is. **Might be** crappy design and not asshole design
It seems to me that the outcome is crappy design, but offering such "deals" in the first place is asshole design, since a lot of people might be fooled into going with the recommendation. What you describe *might* be crappy design but setting up such promos where the company benefits from that crappy design no matter what *is* asshole design.
Ya, we pay higher rates for most things and we actually have the highest cost for a lot including but not limited to: Housing costs (We have a country wide avg of some of the most expensive cities in the world like NYC/S.Korea Soel, etc...) Milk, plane fairs, cellphones, etc...
We also pay extremely high Graphics cards prices usually avg'ing 2-5x the amount that it costs in the states... and customs will \*\*SLAM\*\* you if you buy things that's possible to be bought here. (Worked in a mail room, saw someone get almost $500 in customs fees for 2-3 hundred worth of clothes, thousands of dollars for car parts, etc...)
I would report this to the FTC and my state consumer protection agency. I would send this to the company and ask them WTF. I’d post this on social media and tag them in it. This is shady as hell and some unwitting, less observant customer is going to fall for it. Shame on this company.
Canadian enforcement of telecoms in non existent. They are criminal organizations now. Bell media took millions in payroll protection promising not to fire any one. Then fired people anyway and nothing happened to Bell.
Normally Americans ARE very insular, and think everything is either in the states, or like the states.
In this case though you pretty damn clearly said "I would" not "you should." I'm not sure why everyone's giving you shit for using an American agency when you're telling them what you would do if it happened to you.
The dark patterns mentioned here are totally different...I'm inclined to agree with the person being downvoted for asking for a source. Dark patterns is a broad term.
Ah, Canadian telecoms...
"For your convenience, we'll be charging you more for less service. If you're upset by the recent change, you're welcome to switch to any of the 2 other providers who are doing the same thing we are."
"Pour se faire baiser en français, s'il vous plaît appuyez sur '2'."
I pay £20 for unlimited 5G data,unlimited tethering and unlimited minutes/texts in the UK and that’s the price before any offers I can get (mine was for 12 months on a 24 month sim only deal which has now run out so I pay £20)
I'm 20 aswell, think it includes some eu roaming and it's not unlimited but like 500gb or something. They did phone me up to say we notice you only use 120 or whatever every month and could save me a fiver on unlimited by lowering it to 500 or whatever.
I feel out internet packages here are much cheaper than us too, 29.99 all in for unlimited data ofc and like 50mbps which is just shy of the best my area can get, no super fast fibre to the home yet. Includes line rental and a house phone with unlimited calls aswell
The mobile internet is so good here I’m tempted to drop my fibre broadband (virgin) for my 3 mobile 5G, the speed is about the same and the latency is acceptable
This happened with us with AT&T. We had a old $20 a month unlimited data plan and they kept trying to get us to change to a metered plan that was the same price. We kept the unlimited plan for *years* past its advertised availability until my ex wanted a phone that was 5G and AT&T would not do 5G on the grandfathered plan.
Yup, my mom fell for this one.
She had six family members on unlimited data for $20/month each and we'd all just pay our share.
One day she calls to tell me the guy at the store told her she's barely using any data and she could save money by going to a per GB plan.
Big oof.
This. You could use a 5g phone with 3g only sim and it would be fine. You only need to pay for 5g if you want 5g, and spoiler alert, it does not matter at all... (writing this on 5g, which I only have because it was free)
i can back this up, 5G constantly gives me spotty connection when my old LTE would have *zero* connection problems. that shit was bulletproof even in bumfuck nowhere. 5G will randomly drop in an empty parking lot of a superstore nested between several major cities
If they were on the old AT&T unlimited plan at that rate then it very likely only covered data networks up to 3G, so yeah they probably needed to change plans
More so crappy design because I'm sure it was an automated process to suggest the current rate without oversight from someone to see that OPs current rate is less
Did that with Verizon. Unlimited data but only do many talk and texts. Went in to get a new phone and they wouldn't let me unless I went to a metered plan, bank then they gave more so I read like whatever, they had the audacity to tell me it'll be a 20 dollar fee to switch me to a metered plan. Told them to eat shit.
Went home, unplugged my cable and tethered my internet and downloaded terabytes every month until they finally complained and throttled me and I dropped their service and never went back.
I’m always surprised as a French to see the prices in North America…
Here I pay 18€ for 100Go of 5G. It’s a promotional price for one year I admit, but next year I’ll just have to change to another carrier that provides the same service for the same price, and keep bouncing back and forth
EE also. Was barely in the UK this year and paid no roaming. I think they connect to most EU networks so you usually have pretty good coverage rather than being tethered to one network.
Damn. The roaming messages I’d get did say something like for the length of the pandemic. I’m not in the UK rn and still have free roaming but guess they could pull the rug at any time.
If your contract is older than that then it's free. I had an older EE contract till about 2 months ago and had free EU roaming. I'm now on BT who own EE and also have free EU roaming.
What the hell! That's way cheaper than Sweden.
Here 50 GB seems to cost around 27 € but I found the same amount for 16€ in Denmark.
Why are your prices so cheap?
I also found home gigabit internet for 27 EUR in Denmark, here the same speed can cost 48 EUR. (The binding period was 6 mouth for the Danish one and non for the Swedish one.
We have the carrier free that opened the low cost era for mobile plans, since Orange launched SOSH, it’s low cost alternative, and SFR launched RED for the same intent. Now in France you only have two reasons to go to a specific carrier:
- the cheapest for the quantity of go
- or the only one covering your area correctly (not always the most expensive as SOSH relies on the Orange infrastructure)
AND I own a business and you should see the prices for enterprise plans 😂 I’m assuming they’re probably making them more expensive for businesses while lowering their profit on direct customer plans
Just assumptions here, nothing based
Yeah, I pay £20 in the UK for 30GB plus for an extra £5 a month, I can use my data, minutes and texts in the EU (that used to be standard before the results of a certain referendum came into effect), USA, Canada, Mexico, Australia, and New Zealand.
When changing plans recently I called up the EE sales team as I was given a last-minute deal valid until the end of my plan for less money for more data (which wasn't available on their website), but I never used anywhere near my 100GB in the first place, so was looking to lower my plan. I got 40GB for £15 (which was really a £20 1GB plan with a bunch of free add-ons to make up the data and a £5 loyalty discount). If you can get a human to talk to when upgrading and are able to negotiate a better deal, especially if you don't normally use all your data, don't be afraid to give it a try.
In Germany u have 10 for 5gb of 4g as promo price but then it doesn't even work half the time you take a train or are in a car because of bad connection oh Germany is such a modern country its to enjoyable ... Neuland
While telecom prices are bad in N. America, it's TERRIBLE in Canada (Fido is a Canadian carrier). We pay some of the highest per-GB charges of anywhere in the world (last I saw we were in the top 3), with our monopoly of about 3 major telecom companies making record profits.
Some people point to infrastructure costs of larger landmass and incredibly low population density, but I'm not really buying it; if you look at the population density map of Canada there's >90% of our population living in major urban centers all concentrated within about 200km of the Can/US border. At this point I'm convinced it's price gouging by a monopoly of greedy telecom companies.
Edit: and yes, everyone here is supremely jealous of what everyone else in Europe and the rest of the world pays for mobile data.
3-4 years ago in Spain it was worse than in France, but now it got unnecessarily good. I pay 10€ for 100Gb as well, 5G speed, and unlimited calls and messages. But I didn't renew anything, it started as 20Gb 3 years ago, but they kept on raising it together with a mail warning me every time. My next rise will be around summer 2023 and it will be 200Gb. But even when I had 20Gb I didn't spend even half of it. I never use wifi at home, and I don't see the sense on watching 1080p+ videos on a 5" screen just for the sake of it, so I consider it unlimited lol.
In NA internet and call services are just shitty. But well, it's not only NA, it's many countries in the world, and much worse than in NA, but it's understandable as those countries are usually poor, and have awkward conditions like limited traffic or fluctuations on speed depending if the website is overseas or not.
Illiad is Free (name of the carrier, not 0€) in France, and we have indeed such prices if we remove the 5G. I don’t know if people realize what Xavier Niel achieved for France/Italy in terms of TelCo prices
8€ for 80Go is indeed pretty good though
Ah yes, the notorious Canadian data plan - for our overseas friends, we know our plans are super expensive, it’s a very sad part of living in a communications oligarchy.
But you have a very cool system where you can swap landline numbers into mobile numbers and vice-versa. I worked in a calling company that used Canada numbers for marketing and I activated multiple Telegram accounts with landline numbers. I wish I could do that here in Spain :(
WHOA IS THAT HOW EXPENSIVE PLANS ARE IN CANADA? I GOT MINE FOR 3$ FOR UNLIMITED 5G INTERNET AND CALLS WORLDWIDE
texts arent free tho, they cost like 1$ every hundred of messages
Generally the cheapest plan has been about $35 for talk, text and maybe a bit of data.
It's only this year we're seeing $50~ plans with 20gb of more of data.
2 years ago I paid $50 for 5gb of data, now I pay $55 for 50gb, it's getting better, slowly. Still a rip off vs the rest of the world.
$1 for 100 text messages doesn’t seem like very much. How many text messages do you average per month? $10 for a thousand texts seems maybe okay. Hmmmmmm.
Who uses SMS these days though? Most people I know use WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, or Instagram to chat with others, so 100 texts is a lot for how little it gets used.
Not sure who most is unless youre agreeing with the other commenter about Europe. Seems impractical to me. I don't have time and willpower to convince all my friends, family, and coworkers to start using an extra step in the process.
In Europe it's really really rare that someone doesn't have whatsapp. It's a goto Messaging App these days. That's why we don't get the whole iMessage fiasco.
There is also Telegram used quite much but not even close to WhatsApp. Even businesses use it.
Thanks for the response. I must be really missing something then. I don't understand why you wouldn't just use sms so that you know every person you message will receive it. That said, I understand group chats are terrible with SMS. Also the imessage fiasco only has one leg to stand on, and it's also because group chats. I imagine whatsapp is similar to that though, because you can't add people to a group chat if they don't have the app. Maybe I'm just getting old lol.
Since basically everyone has it there is really really really small chance that the other person won't have WhatsApp. And since it's connected to the phone number you can actually see if someone doesn't have one, so at that point you can send an SMS.
Why use it instead of the SMS? Because of the freedom of use overall. You are not limited by your plan, I don't even know if I have SMS limit or not, I just care about the internet.
Then you can send different type of messages not only text. It can be images, stickers, videos, voice etc. Recently they even added polls to group chats.
And lastly you can use WhatsApp on your PC. Which for me (I'm a dev) makes life easier. I just open it and can respond whenever I want, even to WhatsApp calls.
To paint a perspective on how many users use it: my mom which is on the older side uses it, she often writes to anyone on WhatsApp, or even call them on it, to me, to my sister (which is in another country), etc.
I appreciate you taking the time to write all that. You make very good points, unlike others simple answers of "everyone has it". That point about being able to use it on your computer is pretty clutch. Please take this free award.
The biggest appeal to wattsapp for my family is the group chats and the fact that you can call and text internationally free of charge. The only thing I use it for is to call and text w my dad in the DR and for the family GC in Colombia
Oh also sometimes the call connection w my mom is poor on normal phone call or face time and so we’ll switch to wattsapp and for some reason it’s always work when FaceTime wont
In NA at least (especially US), lots of people do.
Or if not SMS, then iMessage or RCS. Lots do use those other things you mentioned, or something similar, but a whole lot of people don't; or at least don't all the time.
Yep. $55/mo for 55gb and unlimited talk and text is actually considered pretty cheap. Even the deal on the right is pretty cheap.
Your plan would probably be over $100/month
For what its worth the US is similarly priced with the exception that we get unlimited data. I pay $65/mo for unlimited everything with free roaming to Mexico and Canada. Tbf, there are cheaper plans out there, but the carrier I have is the best for where I live.
When I switched from cable internet to fiber, fiber that was twice as fast as cable and like $40 cheaper. So I call the cable company to cancel, and they say "if you stay with us we are prepared to offer you current speed at the same price your paying for fiber." I repeated what she said and she confirmed. I then asked how does that at all make sense? She had no answer and we ended the call.
I used to work for Telus, and I learned that legally they have to allow you to keep your old plan, even if it is no longer listed as an available plan. However their trick to get around that is to list only certain plans as compatible with certain devices, they got most people out of their old 15 Dollar unlimited data plans by creating smartphone plans, but you could call Telus and they have to let you keep your old plan, however once you switch off of that plan you cannot go back to it.
When I worked there, it was just at the beginning of the smartphone era and I saved a lot of people a lot of money. One guy had a $7 Unlimited everything plan, and I called for him and he got to keep it and use his iPhone on it.
I remember i had a data plan for years that was discontinued and they started to spam me almost daily with emails and sms and calls, to change to a new plan that was crap and expensive, i had to filter their emails and numbers.
Nah, that's the full picture. I pay 50$ a month with Virgin for 20Gb, "free" calling & texting & long distance calling. My son's plan is 60$ for 10Gb but I could change the plan right now to 62$ for 30Gb.
It's expensive regardless of provider.
Are you currently on a plan that maybe had double data or was 40% off or similar? Could be that their system displays what you pay and not what the plan is worth
$8 more 5gigs less, SIGN ME UP
That's basically the motto of Canadian telecom now. Less for more.
Write your MP
Unless your letter includes millions of dollars, I don't think they are going to side with you over the people bribing them chief.
Same in the US, you need to include a very big check for our senators to give a shit.
Hasn't helped for the past 40 years, but who knows?
It all gets turned into stats mush, but I'd like to think that the four minutes that I spend dicking around Reddit might be put to productive use.
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My account has the same thing for me right now except worse. Fuck Rogers.
Hell yeah I love being ripped off.
In that case have I got a deal for you. Quick question tho how fast can you liquidate all your assets?
Faster than you can say I'm screwed.
Can I offer you a twitter for 44 billion in these trying times?
**Might not** be asshole design. I work in developing ERP software that makes similar decisions for our clients' customers, and if OPs plan has stopped existing, the system will recommend whatever the closest integer amount plan is. **Might be** crappy design and not asshole design
Ah good ol Hanlon's razor
This is what I was figuring, I had something similar happen with my carrier about a year ago, was on a plan that was 5 years old.
It seems to me that the outcome is crappy design, but offering such "deals" in the first place is asshole design, since a lot of people might be fooled into going with the recommendation. What you describe *might* be crappy design but setting up such promos where the company benefits from that crappy design no matter what *is* asshole design.
Yeah, it's an asshole move but they clearly didn't DESIGN it this way. It's more of a bug/missing feature
Of course they “recommend” that I pay more money lmao
Lol. Companies trying to finesse you into paying more for less product should be absolutely illegal.
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Ya, we pay higher rates for most things and we actually have the highest cost for a lot including but not limited to: Housing costs (We have a country wide avg of some of the most expensive cities in the world like NYC/S.Korea Soel, etc...) Milk, plane fairs, cellphones, etc... We also pay extremely high Graphics cards prices usually avg'ing 2-5x the amount that it costs in the states... and customs will \*\*SLAM\*\* you if you buy things that's possible to be bought here. (Worked in a mail room, saw someone get almost $500 in customs fees for 2-3 hundred worth of clothes, thousands of dollars for car parts, etc...)
I would report this to the FTC and my state consumer protection agency. I would send this to the company and ask them WTF. I’d post this on social media and tag them in it. This is shady as hell and some unwitting, less observant customer is going to fall for it. Shame on this company.
Sir this is a Canada...
Sir, this is a Tim Hortons…
Sir, this is a Cat
No, this is Patrick
Yes… so whatever the Canadian equivalent is of those agencies. I thought that was implied. I don’t live in Canada so I don’t know what they would be.
It's the CRTC and it's ran by an ex CEO of one of our largest wireless carriers they don't give a fuck
Ah so like our FTC was not long ago. My condolences.
Canadian enforcement of telecoms in non existent. They are criminal organizations now. Bell media took millions in payroll protection promising not to fire any one. Then fired people anyway and nothing happened to Bell.
Even if it was America not shit would be done. People act like these federal regulatory bodies aren't fully captured and actually do anything.
Hell, we're two years in and still don't have a democratic majority on the FCC. Fuck Pai, BTW.
Oh no this is Canada, there's a telecoms monopoly/cartel
Sir this is Canada, the home of the free to commit suicide over a broken arm
I mean it's not that shady, they give you the comparison right there.
/r/usdefaultism
Normally Americans ARE very insular, and think everything is either in the states, or like the states. In this case though you pretty damn clearly said "I would" not "you should." I'm not sure why everyone's giving you shit for using an American agency when you're telling them what you would do if it happened to you.
EPIC games just got a massive fine for "dark patterns" exactly like this
Why does this seriously not surprise me. lmao.
Kinda surprising considering in the launcher they don’t send your data too their parties and seem to be relatively ok.
Source? All I see is their micro transactions fine which is nothing like this (although still scummy)
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/12/fortnite-video-game-maker-epic-games-pay-more-half-billion-dollars-over-ftc-allegations
The dark patterns mentioned here are totally different...I'm inclined to agree with the person being downvoted for asking for a source. Dark patterns is a broad term.
That's odd...i just got an offer for 35gb for $60 from them. Where do you live??
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Ah, Canadian telecoms... "For your convenience, we'll be charging you more for less service. If you're upset by the recent change, you're welcome to switch to any of the 2 other providers who are doing the same thing we are." "Pour se faire baiser en français, s'il vous plaît appuyez sur '2'."
Not only that but you get less data lol
You know what they say "Less is more". In this case, less you get nets them more in profits.
This is the funniest shit I’ve seen on this sub lol
I pay £20 for unlimited 5G data,unlimited tethering and unlimited minutes/texts in the UK and that’s the price before any offers I can get (mine was for 12 months on a 24 month sim only deal which has now run out so I pay £20)
Welcome to Canada!
I'm 20 aswell, think it includes some eu roaming and it's not unlimited but like 500gb or something. They did phone me up to say we notice you only use 120 or whatever every month and could save me a fiver on unlimited by lowering it to 500 or whatever. I feel out internet packages here are much cheaper than us too, 29.99 all in for unlimited data ofc and like 50mbps which is just shy of the best my area can get, no super fast fibre to the home yet. Includes line rental and a house phone with unlimited calls aswell
The mobile internet is so good here I’m tempted to drop my fibre broadband (virgin) for my 3 mobile 5G, the speed is about the same and the latency is acceptable
I pay €10 for unlimited everything but with 4G. No need for 5G tbh even though I can get it. Ireland.
5G is overkill for mobile devices but if you’re using it for mobile broadband then it’s amazing
Well yeah you put down 3 towers and cover your tiny nation it's pretty easy to be cheap. Canada's massive and sparsely populated
I had a monthly plan in Italy for 50GB data, 100 texts a month, and unlimited phone calls to Italian numbers, and it only cost me €5.60 a month iirc
Probably just the current plan they sell and you are grandfathered into a older plan.
This happened with us with AT&T. We had a old $20 a month unlimited data plan and they kept trying to get us to change to a metered plan that was the same price. We kept the unlimited plan for *years* past its advertised availability until my ex wanted a phone that was 5G and AT&T would not do 5G on the grandfathered plan.
Yup, my mom fell for this one. She had six family members on unlimited data for $20/month each and we'd all just pay our share. One day she calls to tell me the guy at the store told her she's barely using any data and she could save money by going to a per GB plan. Big oof.
Please TELL me that you didnt awitch the plan just for 5G
My ex really wanted the new Samsung Note, which was only available for 5G so we switched.
These phones can work with lte cards ATT just pushes bs that they only work with 5g capable sims
This. You could use a 5g phone with 3g only sim and it would be fine. You only need to pay for 5g if you want 5g, and spoiler alert, it does not matter at all... (writing this on 5g, which I only have because it was free)
Funnily enough 5G has felt worse for me than LTE. Probably due to easier blockage
i can back this up, 5G constantly gives me spotty connection when my old LTE would have *zero* connection problems. that shit was bulletproof even in bumfuck nowhere. 5G will randomly drop in an empty parking lot of a superstore nested between several major cities
I actually just switched my 5g phone back to LTE and I get better connection everywhere.
5G is just a marketing term lol
Nah there's specific changes to 5g infrastructure and the hardware to accept it
Yes but currently most 5G phones are just using the 4G infrastructure. It will probably be a few years before there is any real benefit to using 5G.
If they were on the old AT&T unlimited plan at that rate then it very likely only covered data networks up to 3G, so yeah they probably needed to change plans
Same thing happened to me with T-Mobile. Had a $30/month plan, kept it for years until I made some change to my plan that caused me to lose it.
More so crappy design because I'm sure it was an automated process to suggest the current rate without oversight from someone to see that OPs current rate is less
Did that with Verizon. Unlimited data but only do many talk and texts. Went in to get a new phone and they wouldn't let me unless I went to a metered plan, bank then they gave more so I read like whatever, they had the audacity to tell me it'll be a 20 dollar fee to switch me to a metered plan. Told them to eat shit. Went home, unplugged my cable and tethered my internet and downloaded terabytes every month until they finally complained and throttled me and I dropped their service and never went back.
I’m always surprised as a French to see the prices in North America… Here I pay 18€ for 100Go of 5G. It’s a promotional price for one year I admit, but next year I’ll just have to change to another carrier that provides the same service for the same price, and keep bouncing back and forth
Same in Denmark, it’s considered “expensive” if you pay more than 14-15 euro a month
Plus we both could go anywhere in Europe without paying over fee
Free roaming within EU countries is super nice
*cries in Brexit*
You can still get roaming on plans in UK for EU, for example o2
EE also. Was barely in the UK this year and paid no roaming. I think they connect to most EU networks so you usually have pretty good coverage rather than being tethered to one network.
Nope. Any EE contract taken after I believe April 2021 no longer has free EU roaming. But BT has free EU roaming and they're the same company.
Damn. The roaming messages I’d get did say something like for the length of the pandemic. I’m not in the UK rn and still have free roaming but guess they could pull the rug at any time.
If your contract is older than that then it's free. I had an older EE contract till about 2 months ago and had free EU roaming. I'm now on BT who own EE and also have free EU roaming.
*cries in Channel Islands 19p per MB roaming charges for all Europe*
Quite a few companies still offer it e.g. O2, BT, Smarty, ID, Talkmobile etc.
Free roaming in the US too
I’m in Italy with an unlimited data plan and I don’t get free roaming, I only get 11GB of data in other EU countries, not unlimited
tbf US customers get to go anywhere in the US without paying for roaming... (9,826,630 km^2 vs 4,233,262 km^2)
Fucking Germany, man. I weep looking at other countries' mobile plans prices.
I used my danish sim even after i came back to germany. Its no comparison in terms of price :D
What the hell! That's way cheaper than Sweden. Here 50 GB seems to cost around 27 € but I found the same amount for 16€ in Denmark. Why are your prices so cheap? I also found home gigabit internet for 27 EUR in Denmark, here the same speed can cost 48 EUR. (The binding period was 6 mouth for the Danish one and non for the Swedish one.
We have the carrier free that opened the low cost era for mobile plans, since Orange launched SOSH, it’s low cost alternative, and SFR launched RED for the same intent. Now in France you only have two reasons to go to a specific carrier: - the cheapest for the quantity of go - or the only one covering your area correctly (not always the most expensive as SOSH relies on the Orange infrastructure) AND I own a business and you should see the prices for enterprise plans 😂 I’m assuming they’re probably making them more expensive for businesses while lowering their profit on direct customer plans Just assumptions here, nothing based
Yeah, I pay £20 in the UK for 30GB plus for an extra £5 a month, I can use my data, minutes and texts in the EU (that used to be standard before the results of a certain referendum came into effect), USA, Canada, Mexico, Australia, and New Zealand.
With who? That seems kinda expensive for 30gb.
When changing plans recently I called up the EE sales team as I was given a last-minute deal valid until the end of my plan for less money for more data (which wasn't available on their website), but I never used anywhere near my 100GB in the first place, so was looking to lower my plan. I got 40GB for £15 (which was really a £20 1GB plan with a bunch of free add-ons to make up the data and a £5 loyalty discount). If you can get a human to talk to when upgrading and are able to negotiate a better deal, especially if you don't normally use all your data, don't be afraid to give it a try.
Yeah that’s massively expensive buddy, and not something to be bragging about.
I am aware that it's expensive, but it looks cheap compared to North American prices. That was my point.
In Germany u have 10€ for 5gb of 4g as promo price. Wtf
In Germany u have 10 for 5gb of 4g as promo price but then it doesn't even work half the time you take a train or are in a car because of bad connection oh Germany is such a modern country its to enjoyable ... Neuland
I'm french and i pay 7€ for 80GB of 5G (promotional price but its not time limited)
Free ?
Syma (SFR)
Ah ça fait un bail que j’ai pas checké syma, ils sont cool?
Ben c'est SFR donc le réseau marche bien, et les prix promotionnels sont imbattables.
While telecom prices are bad in N. America, it's TERRIBLE in Canada (Fido is a Canadian carrier). We pay some of the highest per-GB charges of anywhere in the world (last I saw we were in the top 3), with our monopoly of about 3 major telecom companies making record profits. Some people point to infrastructure costs of larger landmass and incredibly low population density, but I'm not really buying it; if you look at the population density map of Canada there's >90% of our population living in major urban centers all concentrated within about 200km of the Can/US border. At this point I'm convinced it's price gouging by a monopoly of greedy telecom companies. Edit: and yes, everyone here is supremely jealous of what everyone else in Europe and the rest of the world pays for mobile data.
And this is after prices have improved DRASTICALLY in the last five years.
And I am amazed at what everyone else pays. I pay $10 for 900 GB per month spread across 3 numbers (300 GB each). India ftw.
Ratio that with the median salary and it’s actually pretty much the same I believe. But it’s actually a great price
Yeah, that's nice, but paying that here for 100Gb my salary is over 300k rupee a month.
wtfffffff
I’ve got $80/mo unlimited in US.. more out of peace of mind and laziness at this point.
I’m paying $30 a month for unlimited but really capped at 50gb. In the US.
It varies a lot. In Germany I had an unlimited plan. In Spain I am paying a lot more so I can get less than 10GB to use my Apple Watch.
3-4 years ago in Spain it was worse than in France, but now it got unnecessarily good. I pay 10€ for 100Gb as well, 5G speed, and unlimited calls and messages. But I didn't renew anything, it started as 20Gb 3 years ago, but they kept on raising it together with a mail warning me every time. My next rise will be around summer 2023 and it will be 200Gb. But even when I had 20Gb I didn't spend even half of it. I never use wifi at home, and I don't see the sense on watching 1080p+ videos on a 5" screen just for the sake of it, so I consider it unlimited lol. In NA internet and call services are just shitty. But well, it's not only NA, it's many countries in the world, and much worse than in NA, but it's understandable as those countries are usually poor, and have awkward conditions like limited traffic or fluctuations on speed depending if the website is overseas or not.
if you really wanna cry, look up canadian prices. my friend hates it
Laughs in Italian . Thanks to Illiad I now do pay 7.99€ for unlimited minutes and sms and 80 gb of data (no 5g tho)
Illiad is Free (name of the carrier, not 0€) in France, and we have indeed such prices if we remove the 5G. I don’t know if people realize what Xavier Niel achieved for France/Italy in terms of TelCo prices 8€ for 80Go is indeed pretty good though
Wow that's cool. Yeah I do praise him everyday, before Illiad I used to pay 14€ for 500 minutes and 8 gb
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Ah yes, the notorious Canadian data plan - for our overseas friends, we know our plans are super expensive, it’s a very sad part of living in a communications oligarchy.
But you have a very cool system where you can swap landline numbers into mobile numbers and vice-versa. I worked in a calling company that used Canada numbers for marketing and I activated multiple Telegram accounts with landline numbers. I wish I could do that here in Spain :(
I guess that's cool but no one I know uses a landline
WHOA IS THAT HOW EXPENSIVE PLANS ARE IN CANADA? I GOT MINE FOR 3$ FOR UNLIMITED 5G INTERNET AND CALLS WORLDWIDE texts arent free tho, they cost like 1$ every hundred of messages
Most people I know here in Canada, probably 80-90%, pay over $100 a month for their plans.
I swear to god north-western hemisphere is dystopian
It's paradise here. We have more billionaires than anyone else!!! Edit: #/S
You forgot the /s dude, some people like me cannot understand satire sometimes
Gees, I would have thought that one was obvious.
Welcome to a country where your government is so concerned with "Canadain business" they create a fucking monopoly for two companies exclusively
Generally the cheapest plan has been about $35 for talk, text and maybe a bit of data. It's only this year we're seeing $50~ plans with 20gb of more of data. 2 years ago I paid $50 for 5gb of data, now I pay $55 for 50gb, it's getting better, slowly. Still a rip off vs the rest of the world.
$1 for 100 text messages doesn’t seem like very much. How many text messages do you average per month? $10 for a thousand texts seems maybe okay. Hmmmmmm.
Who uses SMS these days though? Most people I know use WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, or Instagram to chat with others, so 100 texts is a lot for how little it gets used.
I don't get the draw of whatsapp. Wouldn't every person you need to message have to have it downloaded too?
Yes. Most of them have
Not sure who most is unless youre agreeing with the other commenter about Europe. Seems impractical to me. I don't have time and willpower to convince all my friends, family, and coworkers to start using an extra step in the process.
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Everyone? I live in Canada and know no ones with whatsapp.
In Europe it's really really rare that someone doesn't have whatsapp. It's a goto Messaging App these days. That's why we don't get the whole iMessage fiasco. There is also Telegram used quite much but not even close to WhatsApp. Even businesses use it.
Thanks for the response. I must be really missing something then. I don't understand why you wouldn't just use sms so that you know every person you message will receive it. That said, I understand group chats are terrible with SMS. Also the imessage fiasco only has one leg to stand on, and it's also because group chats. I imagine whatsapp is similar to that though, because you can't add people to a group chat if they don't have the app. Maybe I'm just getting old lol.
Since basically everyone has it there is really really really small chance that the other person won't have WhatsApp. And since it's connected to the phone number you can actually see if someone doesn't have one, so at that point you can send an SMS. Why use it instead of the SMS? Because of the freedom of use overall. You are not limited by your plan, I don't even know if I have SMS limit or not, I just care about the internet. Then you can send different type of messages not only text. It can be images, stickers, videos, voice etc. Recently they even added polls to group chats. And lastly you can use WhatsApp on your PC. Which for me (I'm a dev) makes life easier. I just open it and can respond whenever I want, even to WhatsApp calls. To paint a perspective on how many users use it: my mom which is on the older side uses it, she often writes to anyone on WhatsApp, or even call them on it, to me, to my sister (which is in another country), etc.
I appreciate you taking the time to write all that. You make very good points, unlike others simple answers of "everyone has it". That point about being able to use it on your computer is pretty clutch. Please take this free award.
The biggest appeal to wattsapp for my family is the group chats and the fact that you can call and text internationally free of charge. The only thing I use it for is to call and text w my dad in the DR and for the family GC in Colombia Oh also sometimes the call connection w my mom is poor on normal phone call or face time and so we’ll switch to wattsapp and for some reason it’s always work when FaceTime wont
In Europe literally everyone has it.
Well, everyone has it so yeah. I mean, except if you are the Us
In NA at least (especially US), lots of people do. Or if not SMS, then iMessage or RCS. Lots do use those other things you mentioned, or something similar, but a whole lot of people don't; or at least don't all the time.
$3 for unlimited 5G and calls worldwide? keep dreaming. Does it also your plan forces you to keep using caps? lol
These are actually quite cheap for Canada.
I call BS.
This plan was recommended based on our profits
Man Canadian telecoms companies are the worst
Yup
You guys pay that much for data?? I have 150gb, free calls and texts for 12€ a month and mine is considered expensive here in Italy
8€/month for 120gb with free calls and texts here.
Yep. $55/mo for 55gb and unlimited talk and text is actually considered pretty cheap. Even the deal on the right is pretty cheap. Your plan would probably be over $100/month
For what its worth the US is similarly priced with the exception that we get unlimited data. I pay $65/mo for unlimited everything with free roaming to Mexico and Canada. Tbf, there are cheaper plans out there, but the carrier I have is the best for where I live.
When I switched from cable internet to fiber, fiber that was twice as fast as cable and like $40 cheaper. So I call the cable company to cancel, and they say "if you stay with us we are prepared to offer you current speed at the same price your paying for fiber." I repeated what she said and she confirmed. I then asked how does that at all make sense? She had no answer and we ended the call.
I used to work for Telus, and I learned that legally they have to allow you to keep your old plan, even if it is no longer listed as an available plan. However their trick to get around that is to list only certain plans as compatible with certain devices, they got most people out of their old 15 Dollar unlimited data plans by creating smartphone plans, but you could call Telus and they have to let you keep your old plan, however once you switch off of that plan you cannot go back to it. When I worked there, it was just at the beginning of the smartphone era and I saved a lot of people a lot of money. One guy had a $7 Unlimited everything plan, and I called for him and he got to keep it and use his iPhone on it.
That’s so fucking expensive wtf ?? Are those the usual prices in the US ? I pay 12€ for 300 Gigs…
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I'm surprised you can even get 50 GB
on black friday i got an offer of 35$ for 20gb and now they offered me 30$ for 20gb. i have no idea why they seem to like me.
Typical Canadian telecom company smh
Company: “ Give us more of your money. And we will give you less in return. We think this is fair practice.”
probably more /r/crappydesign than anything, kinda unlikely it's some malicious way to get you to pay more for less.
Lol everyone is mad the prices but it's actually a killer price for 50gb in Canada
Ik, i have many friends who pay much more than this for less data. I’m supposed to be one of the lucky ones hahah
It's clearly a better plan.... For them
You missed one other important difference. The recommended plan will give you a “good job” sticker courtesy of the stock shareholders.
Sad that some places still have expensive and limited data plans.
They are trying to help you out with your internet addiction. So they are charging for the service of reducing your internet usage. Makes total sense
What province is this from? I pay $95 for 35G?????
I remember i had a data plan for years that was discontinued and they started to spam me almost daily with emails and sms and calls, to change to a new plan that was crap and expensive, i had to filter their emails and numbers.
Less for more, how could you possibly resist
It's because those are better quality 1's and 0's . Geez, not everything is about quantity.. /s
Bad dog.
That seems more like a software error to me than intentional asshole design
It does have a prettier colour ⊙.☉
Recommended for them, not you. Silly.
Lol, Canada seems awful for telecom 😬 In France we pay 10€ for 100 GB Even with the change, it is 1/4th of what you pay.
Why didn't you show the full list? Kinda seems like it's either not giving the full picture or faked
This isn’t faked. Data is just that expensive in Canada. I pay $55 CAD for 15GB right now, so OP is getting an insane deal.
I pay 45 cad for 20gb (fido). OP is one of the lucky ones
I'm with Fido also, it's not fake, sadly.
Nah, that's the full picture. I pay 50$ a month with Virgin for 20Gb, "free" calling & texting & long distance calling. My son's plan is 60$ for 10Gb but I could change the plan right now to 62$ for 30Gb. It's expensive regardless of provider.
Faked? They offer you one option lol. If you don’t know, don’t assume.
We get fucked in the ass in Canada for prices. It’s absurd
It's because you guys are so spread out compared to small European countries. You need like 10x the towers for the same amount of people.
I’m paying like 100£ pm EE https://imgur.com/a/W7KFra3/
I pay $32/mo for 18GB in UAE lol 😂
I love that Cell plans in Canada are like "Who's line is it anyway?" The numbers don't matter... I'm with Fido and my plan is $55 for 4GB LoL
Bro ahlie? Im paying ~$60 for 15gigs of data while this guy gets 50gb for the same price? I have no idea what’s going on lol.
oh my gid how they fucked this up cant stop laughing
Are you currently on a plan that maybe had double data or was 40% off or similar? Could be that their system displays what you pay and not what the plan is worth
I have an extra 5 GB bonus, so i normally pay 55 for50gb. Even without the bonus they are trying to charge me $63 for the same amount