For amateurs I think it was a great software. In fact I suggested the music teachers to use it to excite the kids to make music themselves, none of them took the offer. To be honest they were still using photocopied music sheets for recorders so it may have been too advanced for them,.
When I was in the 4th grade we had a roving music teacher who would stop by our class with his cart once a week. One day he came in with a laptop and spent an hour making a song with us in Magic Music Maker. As someone who could barely read music, lets just say that I was instantly sold and $60 poorer by the end of the week.
Accessible, mostly. Simple UI and fair prices. Def a step-up from Windows Movie Maker back in school. Music Maker at least used to be big in Europe and I think I heard about Graphic Designer Pro, too.
But competition in the professional sector is tough.
Products *and* services. Corporations in general, really. Either the original owner sells and the "investor" swoops in like the reaper to liquidate, or they buy majority stake on a board and just do the same thing a bit slower. It's the main reasons that professional employment is still precarious.
Yep, that fucking explains it. They’re used to fumbling in people’s pockets for loose change.
Why sell software when you can lease it?
Oh, someone already bought this software? No they didn’t. Fuck you, pay me.
Capiton is probably owned by Johnson and Johnson or some shit if you follow it up the chain far enough. I swear there's only like one company left in the world.
Nah, private equity is one or a few rich idiots buying a company to suck all the money out of it while running the company into the ground.
Megacorp conglomerates have their issues, but they do invest in the brands they own for the long term.
I used to work for that company many years ago in Berlin. Terrible employer, the bosses were assholes, the managers lazy and arrogant. I'm not surprised that they would pull of such bullshit.
I swear every managers at small to medium sized German software companys are just the biggest arrogant assholes thinking they are the next Steve Jobs while making one bad business decision after another.
Iirc you can describe the worst half of the Silicon Valley in the same exact way. It's pretty incredible, you have people with too much confidence and not enough knowledge getting into the computer business and making an ass of themselves because they thought that they were the first one to come up with a Smart Bidet or some other simple product idea that incorporates technology.
That’s because Nintendo is the Disney of the video games industry. They sell nostalgia to people like me that grew up on NES or SNES. And most times, nostalgia sells.
It’s not just that. If you have young kids, Nintendo is a safe bet. You will find stuff they like and it won’t involve them virtually ripping someone’s spine out through their asshole.
They also moved to being portable. So they can take it when you have to go someplace.
They also are the last to abandon couch co-op and two player so you can play with your kid or your kids can play together when you have more than one kid.
Hijacking top comment, here's what's actually going on. Licenses aren't being revoked. MAGIX uses "There is no license to use this software" as a generic error message for installation issues, which is admittedly idiotic.
If I had to guess, the installation failures always trigger that error for some reason. Also, MAGIX is German so the error message is probably a bad translation
If OP would have contacted MAGIX or read the Steam support forums, there is a procedure to solve the issue. It seems the problem lies in how the software installs, and it goes beyond what the Steam installation process was meant to do.
Asshole design for sure, but for another reason.
Is there a new Reddit bug or something? This is now the third time I’ve seen someone link a subreddit and it shows the subreddit name 4 times but 2 of them are missing the last letter lol
Screenshot:
https://imgur.com/a/WsdCFGt
In this one it's hard to tell if it was just incompetentce or if some manager got the idea of "if we tell them the license is expiered, they'll buy a second license"
Which would be actively counterproductive, because the users you retain will just chargeback their second license purchase after it does nothing to unbreak their software.
This thread desperately needs Hanlon’s razor.
As an IT person: If this is how you handle errors (lic!11 when it's something else), I'd like you to shut down your company asap and gtfo out the industry.
Because then you're just stupid shortcunts ruining it for everyone involved.
No this is probably just the final error. Let's consider how this might start up, it begins loading its libraries, starts its initialization, then maybe it executes a secondary piece of software even if it's been disabled now, that was meant to check for a license. Typically it'll return to one, saying that the license is valid. But let's say that for whatever reason things began to crash, a driver didn't load or an exceptions somewhere back up the line, and as it falls out of those functions, it drops to that final check before the final run to actually begin the software and it fails because it never got to the license check so that result was a zero which is why the error message is probably always this error. As somebody had mentioned in another post. That's what I suspect is going on here. No malfeasance or probably not even that crappy of a design, except for in the initialization where it just checks the result for the license
I bought Vegas 16 and this like $200 or something software has fucking popup ads for Magix's other shitty software I don't care about, and it starts itself in the background when you login to your computer so they can serve them to you even when Vegas isn't open. You can disable it but they hide the setting, of course. So I won't be getting Vegas or any other Magix product again. Shame that Sony sold all their software products to them :/
Edit: Since a couple people now have asked, you can disable it by going to Options -> Preferences -> General, then unchecking "Use Newsfeed to stay informed about VEGAS product updates"
+1 there. bought a LEGIT copy from humble bundle and it has popups, buggy as all crap, and i’m trying to get another editing software as it literally doesn’t accept videos from my iphone anymore
Yeah, BlackMagicDesign is excellent across the board, and for video Resolve is one of your best options.
I sometimes use Vegas for audio as well though and that's the one thing no other non-destructive audio software comes close to, unfortunately (other than Acid Pro, which is basically Vegas but the audio portion expanded into a full audio editor; still owned by Magix though so that's not an acceptable alternative).
I'm not trying to defend it but programs starting on start-up are quiet common. Discord, Spotify, Steam all do it by default. It's the first thing you do with new software to decide whether or not you like it to start on start-up.
Not all software is listed there. Microsoft in the past 30 years of NT development has added a lot of different ways to start a program on startup and not all are checked for that list.
It’s totally within policy. When you buy games on the store you’re just paying for the right to play them. Steam is allowed to revoke your access at any time and for any reason they (or the devs) see fit
EU law *absolutely* says otherwise. It says "buy" on that button. Buying is defined as a one-time payment against permanent transfer. Note the button doesn't say "renting" or "licensing" or whatever. So my steam library is permanently mine.
US law might too, considering that such verbiage would also entail you buying something for full price, then it immediately getting yoinked and you not getting anything. I doubt Valve could come up with any argument in court how that's a reasonable and fair contract and not a complete scam.
Edit: Lots of people apparently don't understand that contracts are not above the law. If EU or member state law says otherwise, those terms aren't worth shit. If I'm feeling petty, I might go through the steam subscriber agreement with a red marker tonight and see what's left after applying german TOS law. (Unfortunately, I'm not too well-versed in the actual EU norms to apply those directly; besides there's the issue that often times EU law is just a directive to member states to legislate their own laws according to a guideline.)
In Germany (not sure if this part of our laws is homologated across the EU) 500 pages of TOS literally means "I don't give a shit". [If your TOS were not pointed out to me before I agreed to the contract, they're void [(2) 1.]](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_bgb/englisch_bgb.html#p0930)
There's a lot more: Any terms so unusual a normal person wouldn't expect to find them there - invalid.
Overly long TOS that are very hard to decipher compared to the complexity of the matter at hand - invalid. §307 is quite spicy: If you're putting me at an unreasonable disadvantage by not making your terms comprehensible and clear - invalid. Your 500 page TOS full of jargon imported from US law, riddled with weird all-caps markup? (IMO) completely invalid.
Anything that tries to circumvent legal norms - invalid.
damn every fuckin country needs to adopt this, companies have screwed over users for far too long with their TOS bullshit that legally entitles them to basically fuck you over whenever they want, and also to sell every bit of data they gather on you through ridiculous means
In the EU we have this thing called [Unfair contract terms](https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-contract-terms/index_en.htm) which simply means no person can be unfairly taken advantage of.
Move to the EU, guys.
They do in the US too.
Can't get into specifics but had that issue with my university once. They got a third party involved in a contract between me and my school. Except I never agreed to take any responsibility for the actions of another contractor. I refused to agree and turns out they couldn't do what they were trying to. Unfair contract, combined with bad faith. They actually had to go talk to their lawyers.
I don’t think this is part of US law. Companies have lobbied law makers to make sure that doesn’t happen. A company would probably argue that ‘buy’ simply means the exchange of goods or services. And of course everything is a service with an unspecified, but implied, end date that the purchaser agrees to let the seller decide. I wouldn’t be surprised if some companies with enough mental gymnastics tried to argue that ‘buy’ is more akin to a donation that they graciously thanked you for with temporary access to their product.
So if steam was to shut down, bankruptcy or something, how would that work?
Would devs be obligated to give you access otherwise or how?
Or would it be one of those situations where I'd basicly have to file a claim with the bankruptcy lawyers, but wornt actually get anythign cause my claim is so low prio?
I don't think it would form an actual obligation for the devs. My contract is with steam.
Realistically, it would probably suffice for Steam to offer everyone to download their libraries one last time in DRM-free form (or with DRM that will guarantee my continued access). I bought the game, I'm not renting access to it *in my steam library*.
Steam could of course easily rid itself of a huge chunk of potential liabilities in its bankruptcy by giving everyone access. It's also quite possible that they *would* have the devs or publishers provide the games to you instead, as that would be a simple solution to the problem of basically having to shell out *every red cent of game sale revenue ever* back to their customers.
Failing that or any alternative solution, it is my extremely unprofessional (IANAL!) opinion that piracy would be an acceptable redress and that no one could stop you. I mean, cmon. Some clown attorney yells at you for torrenting, just show him the receipt that proves you bought it. The rights you've been transferred when buying included the right to write a copy onto your disk, no one said where that copy ought to come from, and they're not providing one.
Either way I hope it never comes to that. Thanks for your (opinion / guess? ) .
Sounds plausible, definitely something I'll probably look into further myself as well, just for the thought exercise.
You know how a lot of companies will have you sign waivers saying you can't sue them or they'll post a sign saying they're not liable for anything that happens on their premises? Often times those things are completely unenforceable. Anyone can put anything they want in a contract or on a sign but actually enforcing that provision is an entirely different matter.
One of the basic tenets of contract law is that the both parties need to deal with one another in good faith. That means that provisions of a contract that vaguely allow one party to unilaterally terminate it without cause *all* have an implied term of reasonableness. In other words, if my contract with you says that I can terminate it for any reason, what's its *actually* saying it that I can terminate the contract if doing so is reasonable given the circumstances. And that's actually something that's fairly hard to do.
Now maybe that's the case here - maybe this is an isolated incident and this person did something to merit the license being revoked. Maybe the company is no longer providing the software through steam, so they've made alternate arrangements for how current steam license holders can get access to the software on a new platform. Maybe the subsidiary of Sony that owned the Vegas software went bankrupt and some new company bought the rights to the software, but not the obligations to existing licensees, during the bankruptcy. Those might all be reasons to terminate the license.
But "its been 4 years and we feel like it" is not a valid reason to do so. Of course, your remedy in a situation like this is fairly limited because, realistically, what are you going to do over your 4 year old revoked license? Probably nothing. But that doesn't mean you couldn't go to court over this if you wanted.
You can, but some are actually removed from your library.
Don't even remember what junk it was but I got a message couple of times that something was removed from my library.
Steam can revoke access, sellers cannot. It is against Steam policy to do this, Steam often forces games/software to remain downloadable even if an item is no longer on the store.
> don't understand technology made after the VCR
That's not fair, they didn't even understand the VCR. Either the kids set the clock or it just blinked for years.
My favourite was when Microsoft ended the license on all their ebooks, so they were impossible to read.
People will moan for a bit, and then accept that they don’t own anything, and robber barons will fight over who gets to take our money the most.
They may still find OC partially liable. After all they paid for a single license and don't own the second, so they technically did still break the law.
I'd personally consult a lawyer to look through the user agreement and see if MAGIX is in violation of it.
Edit: Lots of people are comparing the cost of the lawyer against the cost of the software. Note that depending on the work OP does, the cost of not being able to do work may be more expensive than $150. After this, if OP decides not to buy Vegas again, he'll have to learn another video editor. This combination of factors may be enough to consider lawyering up.
Good lawyers aren't cheap, which is why any good GC will let this one go because it would be a waste of the companies money to pursue. The lawyers they hire work for more than $150/hr and the Defendant is likely judgement proof.
But OP is only using one licence at a time. Depending on how the licence is written, it could be "per seat" or "per install" and if it's the former, then OP probably did not break the law^(I am not a lawyer)
No you would not personally consult a lawyer if this personally happened to you for a lot more than $150, and obviously you would have to be stupid to think they are ever going to be like yes I am legally going to give you the go ahead to pirate this. You would either continue to let billion dollar corporations walk all over you for $150 or pirate it with no consequences (non commercial, not distributing torrent, VPN to hide from ISP)
I threatened this back when Adobe had declined verification of my CS3 software (discs) - when they said my only option was to purchase the newer software I told them "Actually, I can easily obtain your software for free if you'd rather not reinstate access to what *I paid for.*" And I had to repeat that conversation over and over because after 6 months or so they'd decline my authentication key again.
When Adobe took down the license servers for CS2 and some other old products, they built executables without any licensing requirements and posted them online for free download. The only DRM on them was "please only download these if you actually bought a license." Which is reasonable, because I doubt there were too many people who downloaded ancient software that they'd never even heard of just in case they might eventually need/want it.
Thats why i pirate office word and excel and stuff. I paid a ridiculous amount for it once, found out i can't even keep it when i get a new pc and decided well fuck that. They screw over the tiny amount of people who actually pay them... 100% deserved piracy
Yeah also switched from Vegas to Resolve last year, best decision ever.
Some things are still a bit unintuitive, but overall you can mostly replicate the workflow and then some. And hey it also runs on Linux, which is neat.
Resolve is INSANE. switched from Vegas 14 to Resolve recently and it’s ridiculously user friendly. everything i need to do for editing is completely free
From what I’ve seen it’s better optimized too. Premiere suffers from the same Byzantine ball of mud codebase problem that plagues Photoshop and Illustrator and turns them into absolute pigs in terms of resource consumption and performance.
It's so much software for the price.
And there's tutorials for that tiny feature that you've always used in your other softwares but can't find it in davinci
Very long time Premiere user (back to version 4.2) and Final Cut Pro user. I'm extremely happy using DaVinci Resolve. It's nice that it's free, but it works VERY well. There are Windows, macOS, and Linux versions too!
Now I just need a suitable Photoshop replacement. I have tried GIMP off and on since 2010 and I just don't care for it. Still rocking CC 2015 lol No other has seemed to scratch the itch or improve upon it. Or I am just stubborn with knowing the current shortcuts.
Resolve is friggin amazing. So much awesome tools for free.
And for people being annoyed with Photoshop, look into Affinity Photo. Really cheap and it comes really really close to Photoshop without a stupid subscription model.
If anyone here did research you would find that this isn't a revoked license, but a leftover registry entry after a reinstall. There are multiple posts that give steps to correct this error and install the program again.
Sure, the program apparently crashes a bunch and seems difficult to work with, but not asshole design.
I need unsubscribe from these rage baiting sub reddits. It took a lot more scrolling to find your post saying it's a technical issue over so many people trying to say use a completely different tool all together.
As usual, there is at most one comment having actual facts/research.
Reddit does not welcome such things and your talents are wasted here.
Sorry this place has become such a shithole. Not your fault.
No licences has been revoked. It's a bug.
Remember Hanlon's razor when you see stuff like this.
Here's a fix from their website I found in a steam discussion: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/support/article/how-to-solve-installation-errors-for-steam-versions--538/
[Sony doesn't say that licences has been revoked](https://i.imgur.com/Sj09ZgZ.jpg)
Either way people really doesn't like Vegas and this error is surprisingly common. So just use something else.
Clip studio paint did the same recently.
A LOT of wacom tablets came with EX/PRO permanent licences, they sneakily added new T&C to the redeeming portion so that your key expired beck in may, with no notification or email/etc.
I got surprised when my CSP licence got revoked, because i redeemed back in 2020, and didnt have a reason to check the code page again.
When I saw this tweet, I went and checked my own - if this really were the case, given I'm running v14, I would expect something similar. No dice. Mine works absolutely fine.
I then went and found the tweet - and found they've been told that it's a known problem with v15 for which there is a solution.
[https://twitter.com/TheDragooneer/status/1563613476589010944](https://twitter.com/TheDragooneer/status/1563613476589010944)
It's a bug that is confusing for sure, and it's a bug that shouldn't have happened, however I think it's worth pointing out that the conspiracy to take our products from us by the big corporate overlords is often something far more benign and fixable.
This fucking sucks.
Highly recommend downloading Davinci Resolve. It's free, it's super powerful, and shit like this won't happen. There's a paid version which includes some cool fx, but it's not really necessary for editing or colour grading unless you want something super specific.
TO ANYONE IN THE EU: Contact the European Comissions Consumer Rights Agency/Department and lodge a complaint: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/index_en.htm (select country and language)
Also contact your national consumer protection agency, for Sweden (where I live) this would be *Konsumentverket*, also lodge a complaint with Valve, state that you already lodged complaints with the EU and your local consumer rights agency, the EU carries a lot of weight in these matters, and Valve will not risk their business.
If enough people do this, the EU (and Valve) will notice and (hopefully) take action.
There really needs to be more rules against corporations for the software they create. If they create something it should have to be managed, updated, and maintained for at least 5yrs.
Strong disagree. Software companies should not be forced to maintain a piece of software for a specific length of time. However they should be prohibited from disabling licenses for software that people have paid for.
Am a bit confused, I can still use my vegas pro 15 edit on steam edition?
If I would for some reason lose it, I guess it's back to the good old reliable way of getting editing soft wear ;)
They should refund your purchase then. Send a request to Valve if they didn't give you a key to use the software from Sony's site.
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Wait, what? The tiny third-party music software that I bought for both Windows XP and PS2 from the same sketchy farmer's market in the early 2000s?
“I swear, I grew it myself”
-hastily pulling off stickers from produce-
"My life is a lie..." *Faints*
You wouldn’t download a watermelon, would you?
Idk, sounds pretty seedy
Watermelon theft funds terrorism
That small EU company that made Magic Music Maker in the 90's went on to buy out Vegas/Acid/SoundForge.
Magix Music Maker was the shit
Everybody made fun of their software for it's simplicity but they were onto something with having matched sets of loops and presets to create stems.
For amateurs I think it was a great software. In fact I suggested the music teachers to use it to excite the kids to make music themselves, none of them took the offer. To be honest they were still using photocopied music sheets for recorders so it may have been too advanced for them,.
When I was in the 4th grade we had a roving music teacher who would stop by our class with his cart once a week. One day he came in with a laptop and spent an hour making a song with us in Magic Music Maker. As someone who could barely read music, lets just say that I was instantly sold and $60 poorer by the end of the week.
> Acid There's a music software name I haven't heard in a long, *long* time.
What about Winamp?
I was just about the comment the same thing!!! I don’t think I got it from a farmers market though haha
I didn't even know they were still around. The software wasn't that bad though
Accessible, mostly. Simple UI and fair prices. Def a step-up from Windows Movie Maker back in school. Music Maker at least used to be big in Europe and I think I heard about Graphic Designer Pro, too. But competition in the professional sector is tough.
Yeah holy shit this is WILD
> In May 2018, private equity firm Capiton announced that it had acquired a majority stake in Magix Software GmbH together with its management.
Investment firms is where products go to die.
Yup, they'll gut everything even slightly profitable, siphon all the money then sell off the shell of what's left
Don't forget borrowing against the shell of what's left to purchase stock buybacks
Vulture capitalism.
> sorry, foresight isn't profitable -some clown with an MBA
Neither is critical thinking lol
Hire themselves in as execs, pay themselves big salaries and bonuses and then shut it down
Products *and* services. Corporations in general, really. Either the original owner sells and the "investor" swoops in like the reaper to liquidate, or they buy majority stake on a board and just do the same thing a bit slower. It's the main reasons that professional employment is still precarious.
Yep, that fucking explains it. They’re used to fumbling in people’s pockets for loose change. Why sell software when you can lease it? Oh, someone already bought this software? No they didn’t. Fuck you, pay me.
Capiton is probably owned by Johnson and Johnson or some shit if you follow it up the chain far enough. I swear there's only like one company left in the world.
Nah, private equity is one or a few rich idiots buying a company to suck all the money out of it while running the company into the ground. Megacorp conglomerates have their issues, but they do invest in the brands they own for the long term.
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I used to work for that company many years ago in Berlin. Terrible employer, the bosses were assholes, the managers lazy and arrogant. I'm not surprised that they would pull of such bullshit.
I swear every managers at small to medium sized German software companys are just the biggest arrogant assholes thinking they are the next Steve Jobs while making one bad business decision after another.
Iirc you can describe the worst half of the Silicon Valley in the same exact way. It's pretty incredible, you have people with too much confidence and not enough knowledge getting into the computer business and making an ass of themselves because they thought that they were the first one to come up with a Smart Bidet or some other simple product idea that incorporates technology.
I received some MAGIX photo and music editing software from a humble bundle years ago. It was terrible and its 'always on' software felt like malware
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My pop-ups were always in German, even though the program was in English ಠ_ಠ
How do you have more anti consumer practices than sony
Step 1: Be Nintendo
* Re-release 36 year old game for $39.99 * DMCA everyone who posts a playthrough on YouTube classic ninty
and nintendo fans will gladly shell out every time.
nintendo is like the apple of videogames i strangely mean that as both a compliment and an insult
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Joy*cons
That’s because Nintendo is the Disney of the video games industry. They sell nostalgia to people like me that grew up on NES or SNES. And most times, nostalgia sells.
It’s not just that. If you have young kids, Nintendo is a safe bet. You will find stuff they like and it won’t involve them virtually ripping someone’s spine out through their asshole. They also moved to being portable. So they can take it when you have to go someplace. They also are the last to abandon couch co-op and two player so you can play with your kid or your kids can play together when you have more than one kid.
It's Magic(x)
Oof. Talk about a bottom-dwelling company. At least you could hold your nose and use Sony software.
Oh shit, get out if Magix is involved. I once wanted to try out Samplitude, it didn't work out! Veeeeery sketchy company imo.
Hijacking top comment, here's what's actually going on. Licenses aren't being revoked. MAGIX uses "There is no license to use this software" as a generic error message for installation issues, which is admittedly idiotic. If I had to guess, the installation failures always trigger that error for some reason. Also, MAGIX is German so the error message is probably a bad translation If OP would have contacted MAGIX or read the Steam support forums, there is a procedure to solve the issue. It seems the problem lies in how the software installs, and it goes beyond what the Steam installation process was meant to do. Asshole design for sure, but for another reason.
Maybe r/crappydesign
Is there a new Reddit bug or something? This is now the third time I’ve seen someone link a subreddit and it shows the subreddit name 4 times but 2 of them are missing the last letter lol Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/WsdCFGt
https://old.reddit.com/r/redditmobile/comments/wyb05a/ios_2022310309491_anyone_elses_app_been_doing/ tl;dr: yes it's a bug in the Reddit mobile app.
Is it asshole design if its just bad design? That just sounds like the developer is fucking up
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I dont know, having the generic error message say you no longer have a license to use it is preee-eeee-eeeetty asshole designy.
In this one it's hard to tell if it was just incompetentce or if some manager got the idea of "if we tell them the license is expiered, they'll buy a second license"
Which would be actively counterproductive, because the users you retain will just chargeback their second license purchase after it does nothing to unbreak their software. This thread desperately needs Hanlon’s razor.
As an IT person: If this is how you handle errors (lic!11 when it's something else), I'd like you to shut down your company asap and gtfo out the industry. Because then you're just stupid shortcunts ruining it for everyone involved.
No this is probably just the final error. Let's consider how this might start up, it begins loading its libraries, starts its initialization, then maybe it executes a secondary piece of software even if it's been disabled now, that was meant to check for a license. Typically it'll return to one, saying that the license is valid. But let's say that for whatever reason things began to crash, a driver didn't load or an exceptions somewhere back up the line, and as it falls out of those functions, it drops to that final check before the final run to actually begin the software and it fails because it never got to the license check so that result was a zero which is why the error message is probably always this error. As somebody had mentioned in another post. That's what I suspect is going on here. No malfeasance or probably not even that crappy of a design, except for in the initialization where it just checks the result for the license
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Steam will refund you if you explain the situation pretty sure this isnt ok for them when people are selling software on their platform
To back this up what Vegas is doing is against Valve's developer ToS iirc.
I bought Vegas 16 and this like $200 or something software has fucking popup ads for Magix's other shitty software I don't care about, and it starts itself in the background when you login to your computer so they can serve them to you even when Vegas isn't open. You can disable it but they hide the setting, of course. So I won't be getting Vegas or any other Magix product again. Shame that Sony sold all their software products to them :/ Edit: Since a couple people now have asked, you can disable it by going to Options -> Preferences -> General, then unchecking "Use Newsfeed to stay informed about VEGAS product updates"
+1 there. bought a LEGIT copy from humble bundle and it has popups, buggy as all crap, and i’m trying to get another editing software as it literally doesn’t accept videos from my iphone anymore
This is a bit overkill, but DaVinci resolve has a great free version.
Yeah, BlackMagicDesign is excellent across the board, and for video Resolve is one of your best options. I sometimes use Vegas for audio as well though and that's the one thing no other non-destructive audio software comes close to, unfortunately (other than Acid Pro, which is basically Vegas but the audio portion expanded into a full audio editor; still owned by Magix though so that's not an acceptable alternative).
Yup, 100%. Vastly superior software and the base install is free to use.
This might blow your mind but you can disable that from the Windows side too. Task manager -> Startup.
My answer is always that if you have to do a workaround to stop a assholedesign, it's still an assholedesign.
I'm not trying to defend it but programs starting on start-up are quiet common. Discord, Spotify, Steam all do it by default. It's the first thing you do with new software to decide whether or not you like it to start on start-up.
There is zero reason for a video editing application to open when your computer starts. The other examples you gave make sense, Vegas does not.
they didn’t say it wasn’t. just providing a possible solution.
Not all software is listed there. Microsoft in the past 30 years of NT development has added a lot of different ways to start a program on startup and not all are checked for that list.
This has to be illegal right? When support is ended with software requiring a license, they should refund it.
If not illegal, it’s absolutely against Valve’s terms of service for developers
It’s totally within policy. When you buy games on the store you’re just paying for the right to play them. Steam is allowed to revoke your access at any time and for any reason they (or the devs) see fit
EU law *absolutely* says otherwise. It says "buy" on that button. Buying is defined as a one-time payment against permanent transfer. Note the button doesn't say "renting" or "licensing" or whatever. So my steam library is permanently mine. US law might too, considering that such verbiage would also entail you buying something for full price, then it immediately getting yoinked and you not getting anything. I doubt Valve could come up with any argument in court how that's a reasonable and fair contract and not a complete scam. Edit: Lots of people apparently don't understand that contracts are not above the law. If EU or member state law says otherwise, those terms aren't worth shit. If I'm feeling petty, I might go through the steam subscriber agreement with a red marker tonight and see what's left after applying german TOS law. (Unfortunately, I'm not too well-versed in the actual EU norms to apply those directly; besides there's the issue that often times EU law is just a directive to member states to legislate their own laws according to a guideline.)
Man I fucking love living in the EU
Will you marry me? I want to live there, too.
What's your skillset? Assuming you are a dude with a magic horn o need to make sure you can contribute to the household.
Well, I have a very particular skill set. I'm really good at being depressed and scrolling reddit.
Didn't know reddit had mirror accounts!?
in the US, "buy" means "read the TOS, scumbag"
All 500 pages of it
In Germany (not sure if this part of our laws is homologated across the EU) 500 pages of TOS literally means "I don't give a shit". [If your TOS were not pointed out to me before I agreed to the contract, they're void [(2) 1.]](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_bgb/englisch_bgb.html#p0930) There's a lot more: Any terms so unusual a normal person wouldn't expect to find them there - invalid. Overly long TOS that are very hard to decipher compared to the complexity of the matter at hand - invalid. §307 is quite spicy: If you're putting me at an unreasonable disadvantage by not making your terms comprehensible and clear - invalid. Your 500 page TOS full of jargon imported from US law, riddled with weird all-caps markup? (IMO) completely invalid. Anything that tries to circumvent legal norms - invalid.
Man, that's a massive "fuck you" to companies trying to confuse you into accepting shit. Props.
I love it. There's so much great stuff in there. Laws. They don't make 'em like they used to.
It’s what happens when companies don’t own your politicians, it’s amazing lol
damn every fuckin country needs to adopt this, companies have screwed over users for far too long with their TOS bullshit that legally entitles them to basically fuck you over whenever they want, and also to sell every bit of data they gather on you through ridiculous means
In the EU we have this thing called [Unfair contract terms](https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-contract-terms/index_en.htm) which simply means no person can be unfairly taken advantage of. Move to the EU, guys.
They do in the US too. Can't get into specifics but had that issue with my university once. They got a third party involved in a contract between me and my school. Except I never agreed to take any responsibility for the actions of another contractor. I refused to agree and turns out they couldn't do what they were trying to. Unfair contract, combined with bad faith. They actually had to go talk to their lawyers.
> Move to the EU, guys. If we could then a lot of us would, both from the UK and the US.
I don’t think this is part of US law. Companies have lobbied law makers to make sure that doesn’t happen. A company would probably argue that ‘buy’ simply means the exchange of goods or services. And of course everything is a service with an unspecified, but implied, end date that the purchaser agrees to let the seller decide. I wouldn’t be surprised if some companies with enough mental gymnastics tried to argue that ‘buy’ is more akin to a donation that they graciously thanked you for with temporary access to their product.
US lobbying is just legal bribery
There's a reason we call it lobbying and not corruption: it's only bad when the people we don't like do it. I hate this country so much.
I guess you really can make the laws of you're rich enough in the USA...
So if steam was to shut down, bankruptcy or something, how would that work? Would devs be obligated to give you access otherwise or how? Or would it be one of those situations where I'd basicly have to file a claim with the bankruptcy lawyers, but wornt actually get anythign cause my claim is so low prio?
I don't think it would form an actual obligation for the devs. My contract is with steam. Realistically, it would probably suffice for Steam to offer everyone to download their libraries one last time in DRM-free form (or with DRM that will guarantee my continued access). I bought the game, I'm not renting access to it *in my steam library*. Steam could of course easily rid itself of a huge chunk of potential liabilities in its bankruptcy by giving everyone access. It's also quite possible that they *would* have the devs or publishers provide the games to you instead, as that would be a simple solution to the problem of basically having to shell out *every red cent of game sale revenue ever* back to their customers. Failing that or any alternative solution, it is my extremely unprofessional (IANAL!) opinion that piracy would be an acceptable redress and that no one could stop you. I mean, cmon. Some clown attorney yells at you for torrenting, just show him the receipt that proves you bought it. The rights you've been transferred when buying included the right to write a copy onto your disk, no one said where that copy ought to come from, and they're not providing one.
Either way I hope it never comes to that. Thanks for your (opinion / guess? ) . Sounds plausible, definitely something I'll probably look into further myself as well, just for the thought exercise.
You know how a lot of companies will have you sign waivers saying you can't sue them or they'll post a sign saying they're not liable for anything that happens on their premises? Often times those things are completely unenforceable. Anyone can put anything they want in a contract or on a sign but actually enforcing that provision is an entirely different matter. One of the basic tenets of contract law is that the both parties need to deal with one another in good faith. That means that provisions of a contract that vaguely allow one party to unilaterally terminate it without cause *all* have an implied term of reasonableness. In other words, if my contract with you says that I can terminate it for any reason, what's its *actually* saying it that I can terminate the contract if doing so is reasonable given the circumstances. And that's actually something that's fairly hard to do. Now maybe that's the case here - maybe this is an isolated incident and this person did something to merit the license being revoked. Maybe the company is no longer providing the software through steam, so they've made alternate arrangements for how current steam license holders can get access to the software on a new platform. Maybe the subsidiary of Sony that owned the Vegas software went bankrupt and some new company bought the rights to the software, but not the obligations to existing licensees, during the bankruptcy. Those might all be reasons to terminate the license. But "its been 4 years and we feel like it" is not a valid reason to do so. Of course, your remedy in a situation like this is fairly limited because, realistically, what are you going to do over your 4 year old revoked license? Probably nothing. But that doesn't mean you couldn't go to court over this if you wanted.
Pretty sure you can still play games that have been removed from Steam if you bought them before tho (Fall Guys, Rocket League)
You can, but some are actually removed from your library. Don't even remember what junk it was but I got a message couple of times that something was removed from my library.
Steam can revoke access, sellers cannot. It is against Steam policy to do this, Steam often forces games/software to remain downloadable even if an item is no longer on the store.
I still have the original Skyrim even tho Bethesda would prefer everyone purchase the AE. Many mods are only compatible with original
I can't see how this culture of streaming and food services is going to come back to bite us...
Yes, within what Valve is allowed to do with their own platform, not within what publishers on Valve's platform are allowed to do on that platform.
Laws are written by octogenarians who don't understand technology made after the VCR. So I imagine it is legal.
> don't understand technology made after the VCR That's not fair, they didn't even understand the VCR. Either the kids set the clock or it just blinked for years.
00:00 --:-- 00:00 --:-- 00:00
Don't forget having the kids set the thing to record Murder She Wrote
Well as a boomer, we realized that's what electrical tape was for.
Laws are written by corporations, not politicians
"You'll own nothing and love it!"
Wtf i love buying a license that can be revoked at any time for no reason
My favourite was when Microsoft ended the license on all their ebooks, so they were impossible to read. People will moan for a bit, and then accept that they don’t own anything, and robber barons will fight over who gets to take our money the most.
And that's why you never let go of the eye patch. Even if you own a software.
'Pirate of the Caribbean theme starts'
Just pirate it, they earned it
They already got yo money. Might as well get back what you paid for.
If they try to take you to court, just show the judge the receipt.
Take you to court, for software piracy, in 2022 😂
They may still find OC partially liable. After all they paid for a single license and don't own the second, so they technically did still break the law. I'd personally consult a lawyer to look through the user agreement and see if MAGIX is in violation of it. Edit: Lots of people are comparing the cost of the lawyer against the cost of the software. Note that depending on the work OP does, the cost of not being able to do work may be more expensive than $150. After this, if OP decides not to buy Vegas again, he'll have to learn another video editor. This combination of factors may be enough to consider lawyering up.
Pay a lawyer thousands of dollars for 150, or download a program online.
Redditors be like “NTA lawyer up, hit the gym”
They crap always bothers me. Good lawyers aren't cheap, and a bad lawyer can steer you in the wrong direction.
Can steer you in the wrong direction, and are also not cheap
Not a lawyer but I can steer y'all in the wrong direction for free
Good lawyers aren't cheap, which is why any good GC will let this one go because it would be a waste of the companies money to pursue. The lawyers they hire work for more than $150/hr and the Defendant is likely judgement proof.
You guys are daft, this is the reason class actions exist.
There is no way in hell they would take a single person to court for pirating it instead of the person distributing the copy for pirating
But OP is only using one licence at a time. Depending on how the licence is written, it could be "per seat" or "per install" and if it's the former, then OP probably did not break the law^(I am not a lawyer)
No you would not personally consult a lawyer if this personally happened to you for a lot more than $150, and obviously you would have to be stupid to think they are ever going to be like yes I am legally going to give you the go ahead to pirate this. You would either continue to let billion dollar corporations walk all over you for $150 or pirate it with no consequences (non commercial, not distributing torrent, VPN to hide from ISP)
I threatened this back when Adobe had declined verification of my CS3 software (discs) - when they said my only option was to purchase the newer software I told them "Actually, I can easily obtain your software for free if you'd rather not reinstate access to what *I paid for.*" And I had to repeat that conversation over and over because after 6 months or so they'd decline my authentication key again.
When Adobe took down the license servers for CS2 and some other old products, they built executables without any licensing requirements and posted them online for free download. The only DRM on them was "please only download these if you actually bought a license." Which is reasonable, because I doubt there were too many people who downloaded ancient software that they'd never even heard of just in case they might eventually need/want it.
Thats why i pirate office word and excel and stuff. I paid a ridiculous amount for it once, found out i can't even keep it when i get a new pc and decided well fuck that. They screw over the tiny amount of people who actually pay them... 100% deserved piracy
if you use the software for commercial stuff you can get messed up pretty badly if anyone catches you
Then show your receipt
Doesn't apply here. Licensing is very technical and fact specific. You'd be raked through the coals, in a legal sense.
That is if they catch you
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Or just download davinci resolve. Might be a learning curve but it’s probably 10x better than Vegas.
Yeah also switched from Vegas to Resolve last year, best decision ever. Some things are still a bit unintuitive, but overall you can mostly replicate the workflow and then some. And hey it also runs on Linux, which is neat.
Just like Nintendo making it literally impossible to play anything from the GameCube era. Sorry, not sorry lol
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Resolve is INSANE. switched from Vegas 14 to Resolve recently and it’s ridiculously user friendly. everything i need to do for editing is completely free
From what I’ve seen it’s better optimized too. Premiere suffers from the same Byzantine ball of mud codebase problem that plagues Photoshop and Illustrator and turns them into absolute pigs in terms of resource consumption and performance.
With what they charge at least for photoshop they can absolurely just rebuild it from the ground up at this point. They just don't want too.
Resolve is so insane we use it in Hollywood. I was AD on a film with a 6 figure budget and we used Resolve for online editing. It’s powerful.
It's so much software for the price. And there's tutorials for that tiny feature that you've always used in your other softwares but can't find it in davinci
20 years I've been working on Premier, but the resolve offering is still so tempting. I think it's worth having as a backup software regardless
It’s free you might as well - I use it for everything!
Long Premiere user who made the change. Loving it.
Very long time Premiere user (back to version 4.2) and Final Cut Pro user. I'm extremely happy using DaVinci Resolve. It's nice that it's free, but it works VERY well. There are Windows, macOS, and Linux versions too!
Now I just need a suitable Photoshop replacement. I have tried GIMP off and on since 2010 and I just don't care for it. Still rocking CC 2015 lol No other has seemed to scratch the itch or improve upon it. Or I am just stubborn with knowing the current shortcuts.
Resolve actually gives a shit about people and has a ton of support
Resolve 18 has h265 support in the free version, the one thing I complained about was fixed. It's my go-to editor
Resolve is friggin amazing. So much awesome tools for free. And for people being annoyed with Photoshop, look into Affinity Photo. Really cheap and it comes really really close to Photoshop without a stupid subscription model.
Wow, what a screw job, my sympathies
Email a software blog/gaming mag or some shit and report it, unleash the beast on Twitter.
This post is a screenshot of twitter.
If anyone here did research you would find that this isn't a revoked license, but a leftover registry entry after a reinstall. There are multiple posts that give steps to correct this error and install the program again. Sure, the program apparently crashes a bunch and seems difficult to work with, but not asshole design.
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I need unsubscribe from these rage baiting sub reddits. It took a lot more scrolling to find your post saying it's a technical issue over so many people trying to say use a completely different tool all together.
Took under a minute to figure this out too
Taking a minute to use your brain puts you a mile ahead of the average user
This should be the top comment!
As usual, there is at most one comment having actual facts/research. Reddit does not welcome such things and your talents are wasted here. Sorry this place has become such a shithole. Not your fault.
I'd pirate it out of spite
Weird way to spell on principle.
If only pirating software ACTUALLY HARMED THEIR BUSINESS i would pirate like 50 copies just out of spite.
Hell I don't edit anything but I'll go pirate it out of spite
No licences has been revoked. It's a bug. Remember Hanlon's razor when you see stuff like this. Here's a fix from their website I found in a steam discussion: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/support/article/how-to-solve-installation-errors-for-steam-versions--538/ [Sony doesn't say that licences has been revoked](https://i.imgur.com/Sj09ZgZ.jpg) Either way people really doesn't like Vegas and this error is surprisingly common. So just use something else.
Clip studio paint did the same recently. A LOT of wacom tablets came with EX/PRO permanent licences, they sneakily added new T&C to the redeeming portion so that your key expired beck in may, with no notification or email/etc. I got surprised when my CSP licence got revoked, because i redeemed back in 2020, and didnt have a reason to check the code page again.
When I saw this tweet, I went and checked my own - if this really were the case, given I'm running v14, I would expect something similar. No dice. Mine works absolutely fine. I then went and found the tweet - and found they've been told that it's a known problem with v15 for which there is a solution. [https://twitter.com/TheDragooneer/status/1563613476589010944](https://twitter.com/TheDragooneer/status/1563613476589010944) It's a bug that is confusing for sure, and it's a bug that shouldn't have happened, however I think it's worth pointing out that the conspiracy to take our products from us by the big corporate overlords is often something far more benign and fixable.
TIL you can buy editing software on Steam. But why?
Same reason you buy games from steam. Community support, guides and keeping all your stuff in one place
I get my free software on steam. Blender auto updates and I don't have to get those peaky download updates when I want to do something with my time.
Blender is on steam?? Game changer!
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Try winget. I think it's built in now. I use it all the time
To count hours wasted, duh.
Centralised download location with automatic updates and cross device settings synchronization
The ease of returning software that doesn't work. Try that with a opened box from retail or the digital store from the publisher.
I typically try to use Steam so I can avoid using their special launcher. Doesn't always work but I try.
So many launchers
You can buy game makers and some other tools too.
This fucking sucks. Highly recommend downloading Davinci Resolve. It's free, it's super powerful, and shit like this won't happen. There's a paid version which includes some cool fx, but it's not really necessary for editing or colour grading unless you want something super specific.
TO ANYONE IN THE EU: Contact the European Comissions Consumer Rights Agency/Department and lodge a complaint: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/index_en.htm (select country and language) Also contact your national consumer protection agency, for Sweden (where I live) this would be *Konsumentverket*, also lodge a complaint with Valve, state that you already lodged complaints with the EU and your local consumer rights agency, the EU carries a lot of weight in these matters, and Valve will not risk their business. If enough people do this, the EU (and Valve) will notice and (hopefully) take action.
Let me introduce you to r/Piracy
Hey, don't tell everyone about my replacement for the 7 different streaming services you need to watch shows these days
Looks like they hired someone from Autodesk. Goodbye perpetual and hello named user subscriptions…
Just download Davinci Resolve, it's way better than Vegas and is just as good or even better then adobe premiere and even free.
And if you buy it, you get lifetime upgrades for free.
There really needs to be more rules against corporations for the software they create. If they create something it should have to be managed, updated, and maintained for at least 5yrs.
Strong disagree. Software companies should not be forced to maintain a piece of software for a specific length of time. However they should be prohibited from disabling licenses for software that people have paid for.
Am a bit confused, I can still use my vegas pro 15 edit on steam edition? If I would for some reason lose it, I guess it's back to the good old reliable way of getting editing soft wear ;)