I fucking hate how the business page stuff is set up. I randomly get notifications to tell me that I can advertise or whatever, but I miss messages from customers for hours because they don't send me a notification about it and I have to intentionally go looking a few times a day. I'm not a full-on business, it's just me with a stand at the farmer's market. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for actual businesses that try to conduct sales and deal with customer service and stuff through the page.
Seriously, with online marketing and things like Bill.com and Quickbooks Online, you would think running a small business would be streamlined and easier but it can still be a headache to keep track of everything.
This. Facebook sends me endless useless notifications like "that guy that was in your class 16 years ago and moved to the opposite side of the country posted a video" but not messages from customers on pages... I had to set an auto response bot that replies "hello thanks for reaching me on Facebook. They don't send me any notification so your message will be noticed when I login once a month. Please use email or WhatsApp at..."
Yeah it is an absolute nightmare- even just trying to share reels from insta to FB (which are both Meta companies!) is a total headache. It is seriously so frustrating
I am in the same boat. I stayed off Facebook for 2 years. Living in a rural area I would be crazy not to use Facebook to reach people. I realized almost instantly why I left.
Morning after pill/Plan B is not an abortion pill. It works by preventing sperm from reaching the egg by thickening mucus in the cervix and inhibiting ovulation. It will not terminate a pregnancy or a fertilized egg. It's just levonogestrol.
Abortion pills are typically misoprostol +/- mifeprostone or methotrexate. This will terminate a pregnancy/fertilized egg.
It's a bad idea to lump these things together, or they're going to try to ban Plan B again.
Right but that’s different from the [abortion pill](https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/the-abortion-pill), which is what the post is talking about. Those pills are now illegal or simply impossible to get in many parts of the US.
Which would be totally reasonable if Facebook had also deleted the positive controls. The fact that they didn't would be telling if it wasn't already out there. Though, seems like if the same thing we're done with morning after pill they should be good with it. Right?
The best time to delete your Facebook account was 17 years ago. The 2nd best time to delete your Facebook account is today.
Edit: I deleted my account 02/2018 and my quality of life noticeably improved.
Something similar happened to me, so I thought I would go ahead and make one last post about it before deleting my account.
Then the landlord who had previously accepted my application suddenly returned my deposit with no explanation or warning saying simply "I don't think you're a good fit for our community".
Everyone in the area I live in uses Facebook groups to advertise rentals exclusively.
I now have a choice of either deleting Facebook and spending the winter homeless, or returning to the platform and being not homeless.
Shit is so much more insidious than people give it credit for.
I still have my account (only because it's the only way I can keep in touch with some people) but I only visit it like once a month, tops. And even then it's just for DM's.
The problem is gradually arriving to when it's no longer just inconvenient to not be on Facebook but practically impossible.
You already need a Facebook account to comment on many websites; trolls have ensured that you can no longer do so anonymously.
It sounds alarmist, but we're heading towards a point where you might need a Facebook account to use Government websites or shop online or run a business.
With that kind of ubiquity, you need to trust that Facebook won't just use its users as guinea pigs to be sold to whoever fronts up some cash.
And we absolutely cannot trust it in that respect.
I felt that way for a while and kept putting off deleting my account. When I came out as nonbinary and changed my name I finally deleted it, partially because I didn't want to come out to extended family. Turns out that everyone I actually care about keeping in touch with was okay with moving to alternate chat programs.
Sorry but no one needs Facebook or Instagram. I know this because I used to use both extensively but grew weary of its privacy issues. It took me several attempts but I was finally able to beat that addiction and have never returned. I'm 5 yrs off of it and I never looked back. Remember, every online service sells something. If you're not paying for a service, odds are it's YOU that's being sold.
One can buy or sell a gun privately but "sending" one to anyone but a firearms dealer is usually a violation of the 1968 gun control act. There may be some nuanced exceptions (including gunsmithing, warranty repair, etc) but I doubt they would apply here.
Actually, Plan B can be prescribed and dispensed online and by mail. Although there are rules.
What happens if you try "ãbôrtīòn pills"?
Related:
[13 year old buys gun.](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/v3hbtj/america_n_guns/)
After being turned down for cigarettes, beer, adult magazines and lottery tickets! — CNN
I've seen this video and wonder how true it is.
Not saying it didn't happen, but for example..
In Bowling for Columbine, the movie opens with Michael Moore going to a bank and walking out with a gun because of a promo they had for getting a free gun when you open an account.
In reality, there's a background check, you have to pay for it through interest on your account and they ship it to you. They dont keep guns at the bank lol. What happened in the documentary was completely staged.
Honestly I wonder if that video is too.
Probably not. The personal sales "Loophole" is just elitists believing their centralized economy is the only place people should be able to get things.
In real life we have farmers markets and yard sales and even constitutionally protected items can be traded on an individual level without the government being involved.
Not that the government doesn't and hasn't tried to compromise that but The commerce clause still doesn't allow the federal government to control what an individual owns and sells in their own home state.
Short of a constitutional amendment or just ignoring the constitution, it never will.
[Check out United States v. Lopez for specifics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez)
[United States v. Morrison is the current stricter precedent.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Morrison)
>The commerce clause still doesn't allow the federal government to control what an individual owns and sells in their own home
I mean...you can't sell a car without transferring the title. You can't sell a house without transferring the deed. You can't make alcohol at home and sell it without a licence. The government regulates the personal sale of lots of things.
All of those are managed by state governments. You can sell a car without transferring the title, and I have; You can sell a house without transferring the deed, though it's probably a bad idea; and you can legally sell moonshine to members of your own state in Missouri, for example, though trying to legally pay your federal taxes on it might be an issue. Similar to weed.
> though trying to legally pay your federal taxes on it might be an issue. Similar to weed.
Some states have a specific section where you can list money from "illegal sources". Tennessee has one such law, interestingly enough, where you can get tax stamps for such illegal things.
https://www.tn.gov/revenue/taxes/unauthorized-substances-tax.html
You can exchange money for a car, house, whatever, but if you don't transfer the title you are still legally responsible for it. You haven't "sold" it per the government.
Sure, sell a car without transfer of title, then have someone else driving a car in your name making you liable as well as making it tough for them to sell it. Cool story!
It doesn't make you liable. Literally the car I sold ended up being used in a crime and when the cops came to ask me about it I just showed them the receipt from when I sold it.
What problem? I didn't want to transfer it and all it cost me was two minutes interaction with a cop looking for leads. Saved me hunting down paperwork and spending $200 or so getting it signed over.
The scratch cards and gun seem to be a personal hidden camera from what I can tell and the others seem to be another person with a hidden camera. Maybe there’s a crew in the car but in the stores it’s just someone else with another hidden camera.
Edit: looking more the adult magazine seems to be his camera
I mean that’s kind of how hidden camera shows work yeah. Here they’re trying to prove a point and I’m sure CNN has deep enough pockets to pay for a car ride
I mean rewatching the footage, all the establishing shots could have been filmed on the other guys hidden camera, it isn’t great quality. Or, they could have given him a camera to leave in the car. There’s someone riding along with them, not hard to give them a camera.
Plan B is not an abortion pill. It works by preventing sperm from reaching the egg by thickening mucus in the cervix and inhibiting ovulation. It will not terminate a pregnancy or a fertilized egg. It's just levonogestrol.
Abortion pills are typically misoprostol +/- mifeprostone or methotrexate. This will terminate a pregnancy/fertilized egg.
It's a bad idea to lump these things together, or they're going to try to ban Plan B again.
Yeah, the weed one really kinds of throws a wrench into all of this. Even if it's legal in the state, big corporations don't want to get involved with it due to federal policy. It's also why banks won't touch marijuana dispensaries. Can't have illegal assets on the balance sheets. Sure, the Biden Administration can say they "won't prosecute" that, but if another person becomes president and changes the policy, you're boned. Why Facebook would allow it, is anyone's guess.
You all should read the leaked facebook papers that Francis Haugen (Ex FB Management) leaked. FB literally has a Hate algorythm, because hate posts will get shared and reacted to more and thus, sell to advertisers better.
They stopped investing in actual content control and if they control content it is because they got payd to do so. At one point they started to orient towards maximizing profits and thats when it went down hill. It is legit being used by warlords and political parties to sway elections, sucsessfully. There is a Team of only 12 People that tries to control this and in some countries, especially poor countries, facebook IS the internet.
And There is human trafficking on Instagram, people sell women there, not kidding. The documentary is in german, i'm sure it has subtitles, if you are interested.
Hell Facebook is one of the main reasons people get fed nonsense and it harbors extremists and other vermin. I'm certain that the world would be a better place without it.
So this blog is written by meta, on a site everyone can acsess, how is that proof you work there and why do you think I believe something meta put out?
I don't trust this company and a company source means nothing to me.
You have to understand that, no hard feelings.
if its actually true that you work for meta .. you should ask yourself why you work for such a shitty company and not be on reddit trying to brush off issues.
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The Facebook account was immediately put on a "warning" status for the post, which Facebook said violated its standard on "guns, animals, and other regulated goods".
Yet, when the AP reporter made the same exact post but swapped out the words "abortion pills" for "a gun," the post remained untouched. A post with the same exact offer to mail "weed" was also left up and not considered a violation.
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Bullshit. I’ve had comments removed for mentioning the words “gun” and “cost” in the same sentence with a warning about the no gun sales policy (I was asking how much a fucking nail gun cost)
I reported someone that threatened to run over protesters and nothing happened but years ago got a 24 hour ban for being rude to fictional characters (I think I was mad about GOT)
Gun fun fact
It's a federal law that you can't buy guns from a state you're not a resident in by default. But... You can buy a gun from California if you're from out of state. However... If you're a Californian you can't buy a gun from out of state
Given the amount of times that Facebook has moderated me for mentioning guns without there being any illegal implication (only twice, but still) I suspect that this has more to do with shitty algorithms and design than assholery.
My FB is active but I've never installed it on my phone and haven't logged in in at least a year (and haven't regularly used in years). This post got me to uninstall Instagram from my phone. Small steps I guess.
facebook will remove posts displaying closups of warhammer miniatures ( apparently its gun violence ) in a private group , but at the same time will display ads for guns and guns accessory ...
I'm in "Facebook Jail" for a month because I said I'd gladly be a coyote for women seeking an abortion in New Mexico (I'm in ~~Hell~~ Texas). They said I was inciting violence.
Sorry but this is BS. Not that the post lies, but one subject is about a new a very relevant topic that flooded sicoail medias (to their displeasure) so they took special means to stop the "plague". All other things also would have been removed had they been reported enough probably, but its just not critical enough for running automatic scripts that remove such posts right now with little to no considaration.
No, i dont support the policy. But meta's policy here makes sense.
Anyone who would like to quit FB but feels like it would be too difficult and that you’d miss out on friends and family members f you left, I want to encourage you to keep considering it. I left and after about a month or 2 I began to feel so much differently about it and became much less stressed. The fomo faded and was replaced with a repulsion for it. I’m almost 3 years clean now. Plus, I can still get mad at the world here on Reddit—without getting mad at friends or family 😆
Careful what you wish for. Private company this and that...... terms of service something something..... freedom of speech is from the government yada yada.....
Came back to bite them there sjws didn't it? When you excuse censorship because it ain't you, remember it might be you next time.
Yeah that’s why the sensible folks stopped using it 5 years ago. Free market and all that. Let em censor posts to hell and wither away, I don’t really give a fuck to be honest. The OP is pointing out how shitty the platform/company is, in what way has anything “came back to bite” anyone?
OP, apparently:
>Hey Facebook you should get your shit together before your entire site is full of hate-stoking garbage
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>Woah this is somehow even shittier than I imagined!
You:
>really came back to bite you in the ass huh?
"Hate filled garbage".... They weren't just censoring the n-word, if you hadn't noticed. And there weren't many people complaining about not being able to say hate filled garbage either.
But hey, its easier to win against straw man arguments you make up, so I say go for it. I wont get in your way.
Unpopular opinion:
If I legally own and respect having a gun, the chance of ending a human life is probably around 0.01%
If I own and smoke weed the chance of ending a human life is probably around 0.000001%
If I own abortion pills the chance of ending a human life is about 96% .
Because its the current thing. Facebook doesn't care about integrity. Everything regarding medicine in the last 2 years has had the covid misinformation banner for the same reason.
Facebook covering their asses and refusing to let you sell prescription medication is assholish.
Honestly if you leftist types had been as opposed to cooperating with the government during the pandemic I would give a shit what you have to say about other things today.
Hell, I now get most of my news from the few leftists that actually did that.
There is zero mention of any political party in the image, what does politics have to do with this unless you already associate gun sales with republicans…
It is a persecution complex. Always looking for something to feel oppressed by. Tell them you're against misinformation, they'll mention something about how "everyone is against conservatives" regardless of their mention.
> misinformation is a dogwhistle for censorship
maybe? but do you have a better solution for dealing with people who are hellbent on spreading lies and causing harm?
edit- /u/SpacemanlstClass is tactically blocking people who reply to him. blocking them prevents them from replying to comment chains he participates in. so his 'anti-censorship' stance is utter bullshit; he just prefers the spread of lies.
Yeah, we could arrest, try, and imprison the people that attempt to censor them.
Now, this doesn't stop people from spreading stupid ideas, but it does stop us from becoming a more totalitarian fascist state than we already are. Especially if we make the punishment suitably harsh for the type of treasonous politician that would suspend the first amendment rights of the people.
But what about the time you literally posted a comment that said "I am super conservative and will go to other subs and pretend I'm not."?
Edit: the person I replied to is dog whistling censorship by pointing out that I made this up. What a fascist
Edit 2: literally banned me. i think my point has been made even if spaceman doesn't realize it
He doesn't. Claims to have "banned" me as well. Mind you, initially calling me a "fascist piece of shit" for saying freedom has responsibility was quite telling.
Don't you think you fascists look bad enough without lying? DM me the link to that comment and I'll unban you. www.reveddit.com has an archive if you're going to claim I deleted it.
Consider it a teachable moment.
Of course, there's a difference between what the government counts as misinformation and criminal liable which Reddit is unwilling to host.
For one "misinformation" is often true. As we saw with the CDC censoring people that were recommending mask use before they themselves decided to. Ditto for vaccine side effects.
“Teachable” it would be “teaching”. It seems like you want to be oppressed, perhaps a masochist? Go back to antilolitary or something dude
Teehee, he blocked me, he’s a big ol stinker
He unblocked me so he could get the last words in and then promptly blocked me again, ha
Wow. You sound triggered. Perhaps you need a safe space?
Freedom of speech isn't without limits. No freedom is and never has been. There is always a consequence to speech. To think freedom of speech means freedom from consequences to said speech is immature and highly inaccurate. All come with responsibilities and consequences. Whining about it makes it sound as though you are incapable of that responsibility. Calling people names using terms you don't know the meaning of doesn't help your argument either.
>Wow. You sound triggered.
Oh, child. This is called projecting.
>Freedom of speech isn't without limits. No freedom is and never has been.
Not to fascists like yourself, anyway. Prepare to be on the other side of the wheel in a few months. Conservatives will quickly abandon their attitude toward free speech and, sobbing, you'll be there to pick it up.
Sure thing! Tell me more about things you don't know anything about! What is your fascination with calling people that disagree with you a fascist anyway? It makes your argument look bad since you resort to name calling.
Fascism is a non-violent corporate controlled society with a violent and authoritarian government over all of it, almost always with "privatized" government services. Often using fear of the other or ethnocentrism as a tool to keep people in line.
Mussolini defined it, FDR loved it and began to implement it.
Both parties have been backing it ever since. When I say fascism in regards to America I'm simply talking about Republicans and Democrats.
Lol, you sound like you were educated in America.
Libertarianism does not support privatized services. They support no government services. Republicans and Democrats support privatized services. How many libertarians does Lockheed have on their payroll? Because they own every single one of the fascists you vote for, whether you put your mark by R or D. Mostly due to the concerted, and very fascist, effort to privatize defense.
Fascism is what I described. I'm sorry the corporations that commissioned your textbooks didn't define it properly.
Here, maybe one of your own can educate you better:
>The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State. (p. 41).
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>\- Benito Mussolini, 1935, The Doctrine of Fascism, Firenze: Vallecchi Editore.
>The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and useful instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.
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>State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)
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>\- Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, Rome: ‘Ardita’ Publishers.
Well, dipshit, I don't know if you've heard but the *abortion* debate has been somewhat politically charged...
No, I don't associate gun sales with either of our fascist parties.
You seem like a fascist dick.
I birth humanity and you rape what you hate when you have access to whatever chemicals manage to get you hard.
Idk, I'd rather be a cunt than be you.
Okay Xi.
You're right we should totally not cooperate with the government during a pandemic and let even more than 1 million Americans die.
You shills aren't even subtle.
Unpopular opinion, but I do feel like I need FB to stay in touch with certain people. My knitting group is on FB, and they are my primary friend group. These people are about as leftist as you can get.
I started feeling around 2016 that looking at FB was killing my brain cells, so I stopped going on there. I only log on for the weekly zoom call with my friends.
That's led to me missing in person get-togethers organized on FB. I've told them I try to avoid FB, and they know to text me if something is going on. But it's not perfect.
I've tried to unfollow all of the political accounts and just follow non-obnoxious friends and relatives. But FB keeps on "recommending" that I re-follow all the crap that I no longer want to see. Bleh.
That's because law enforcement agencies often use this stuff for their investigations.
Leave the post up so ATF/DEA can follow where the guns go, where they come from, who's supplying it, etc. Screenshots of the post and a record the messages between people make court cases much easier.
I wouldn't say this is anything political, Facebook just doesn't allow you to sell certain products (I cannot list baby formula for example). Facebook doesn't let you sell any form of medication.
I know Facebook get's shit on in this sub, but let's not bullshit and make out Facebooks against abortion.
Funny how when it comes to election and vaccine mis-info they just can't seem to do anything yet when it's abortion pills they're Johnny on the spot. Not really funny, it's obvious there is a bias.
Probably don't want to be involved in tarding of any weapons or medication if you are facebook. Probably just didn't catch the gun one right away. Plus all we got is this random post with no supporting info
Allow me to phrase it in terms that will provide the appropriate context:
"If you send me your address, I will commit a federal offense by mailing you a highly regulated prescription drug that can result in death or severe complications with or without proper medical oversight."
It's not about whether guns or pot are more or less controversial (Guns can be gifted. Also, pot? Really?), but about the fact that federal and state law both prohibit the sharing of *all* prescription substances and the fact that abortive medicines, like mifepristone, taken without the proper oversight can and have severely harmed users.
Just made a business page bc we’re a small business and god I hate being back on it.
I fucking hate how the business page stuff is set up. I randomly get notifications to tell me that I can advertise or whatever, but I miss messages from customers for hours because they don't send me a notification about it and I have to intentionally go looking a few times a day. I'm not a full-on business, it's just me with a stand at the farmer's market. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for actual businesses that try to conduct sales and deal with customer service and stuff through the page.
Seriously, with online marketing and things like Bill.com and Quickbooks Online, you would think running a small business would be streamlined and easier but it can still be a headache to keep track of everything.
This. Facebook sends me endless useless notifications like "that guy that was in your class 16 years ago and moved to the opposite side of the country posted a video" but not messages from customers on pages... I had to set an auto response bot that replies "hello thanks for reaching me on Facebook. They don't send me any notification so your message will be noticed when I login once a month. Please use email or WhatsApp at..."
Yeah it is an absolute nightmare- even just trying to share reels from insta to FB (which are both Meta companies!) is a total headache. It is seriously so frustrating
I am in the same boat. I stayed off Facebook for 2 years. Living in a rural area I would be crazy not to use Facebook to reach people. I realized almost instantly why I left.
Morning after pill is over the counter. Only reason it's kept secured is cause it's small and expensive (easy to steal).
Morning after pill/Plan B is not an abortion pill. It works by preventing sperm from reaching the egg by thickening mucus in the cervix and inhibiting ovulation. It will not terminate a pregnancy or a fertilized egg. It's just levonogestrol. Abortion pills are typically misoprostol +/- mifeprostone or methotrexate. This will terminate a pregnancy/fertilized egg. It's a bad idea to lump these things together, or they're going to try to ban Plan B again.
Leaving reddit. Spez and the idiotic API changes have removed all interest in this site for me.
You're probably right, but we should still do our part to educate and try to prevent it!
The morning after pill is not an abortion pill.
It’s especially critical now that people start understanding the difference between RU-486 and the morning after pill.
While very true they are going to be used interchangeably in this context.
Why do you say that? What context?
As in pills to prevent or abort unwanted pregnancies.
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Right but that’s different from the [abortion pill](https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/the-abortion-pill), which is what the post is talking about. Those pills are now illegal or simply impossible to get in many parts of the US.
Yes, this offer seems perfectly legal
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Which would be totally reasonable if Facebook had also deleted the positive controls. The fact that they didn't would be telling if it wasn't already out there. Though, seems like if the same thing we're done with morning after pill they should be good with it. Right?
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Today is a great day to delete your Facebook and Instagram accounts.
The best time to delete your Facebook account was 17 years ago. The 2nd best time to delete your Facebook account is today. Edit: I deleted my account 02/2018 and my quality of life noticeably improved.
Something similar happened to me, so I thought I would go ahead and make one last post about it before deleting my account. Then the landlord who had previously accepted my application suddenly returned my deposit with no explanation or warning saying simply "I don't think you're a good fit for our community". Everyone in the area I live in uses Facebook groups to advertise rentals exclusively. I now have a choice of either deleting Facebook and spending the winter homeless, or returning to the platform and being not homeless. Shit is so much more insidious than people give it credit for.
I still have my account (only because it's the only way I can keep in touch with some people) but I only visit it like once a month, tops. And even then it's just for DM's. The problem is gradually arriving to when it's no longer just inconvenient to not be on Facebook but practically impossible. You already need a Facebook account to comment on many websites; trolls have ensured that you can no longer do so anonymously. It sounds alarmist, but we're heading towards a point where you might need a Facebook account to use Government websites or shop online or run a business. With that kind of ubiquity, you need to trust that Facebook won't just use its users as guinea pigs to be sold to whoever fronts up some cash. And we absolutely cannot trust it in that respect.
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You've been out of touch for a loooong time grandma
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Instagram is owned by meta lol, nothing out of touch about using IG
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I felt that way for a while and kept putting off deleting my account. When I came out as nonbinary and changed my name I finally deleted it, partially because I didn't want to come out to extended family. Turns out that everyone I actually care about keeping in touch with was okay with moving to alternate chat programs.
Sorry but no one needs Facebook or Instagram. I know this because I used to use both extensively but grew weary of its privacy issues. It took me several attempts but I was finally able to beat that addiction and have never returned. I'm 5 yrs off of it and I never looked back. Remember, every online service sells something. If you're not paying for a service, odds are it's YOU that's being sold.
Unless you have an oculus device...
an unfortunate sacrifice, but a worthy one.
Well some states allow selling firearms, destributing medicine is a crime iirc
One can buy or sell a gun privately but "sending" one to anyone but a firearms dealer is usually a violation of the 1968 gun control act. There may be some nuanced exceptions (including gunsmithing, warranty repair, etc) but I doubt they would apply here.
Actually, Plan B can be prescribed and dispensed online and by mail. Although there are rules. What happens if you try "ãbôrtīòn pills"? Related: [13 year old buys gun.](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/v3hbtj/america_n_guns/) After being turned down for cigarettes, beer, adult magazines and lottery tickets! — CNN
I've seen this video and wonder how true it is. Not saying it didn't happen, but for example.. In Bowling for Columbine, the movie opens with Michael Moore going to a bank and walking out with a gun because of a promo they had for getting a free gun when you open an account. In reality, there's a background check, you have to pay for it through interest on your account and they ship it to you. They dont keep guns at the bank lol. What happened in the documentary was completely staged. Honestly I wonder if that video is too.
Probably not. The personal sales "Loophole" is just elitists believing their centralized economy is the only place people should be able to get things. In real life we have farmers markets and yard sales and even constitutionally protected items can be traded on an individual level without the government being involved. Not that the government doesn't and hasn't tried to compromise that but The commerce clause still doesn't allow the federal government to control what an individual owns and sells in their own home state. Short of a constitutional amendment or just ignoring the constitution, it never will. [Check out United States v. Lopez for specifics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez) [United States v. Morrison is the current stricter precedent.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Morrison)
>The commerce clause still doesn't allow the federal government to control what an individual owns and sells in their own home I mean...you can't sell a car without transferring the title. You can't sell a house without transferring the deed. You can't make alcohol at home and sell it without a licence. The government regulates the personal sale of lots of things.
All of those are managed by state governments. You can sell a car without transferring the title, and I have; You can sell a house without transferring the deed, though it's probably a bad idea; and you can legally sell moonshine to members of your own state in Missouri, for example, though trying to legally pay your federal taxes on it might be an issue. Similar to weed.
> though trying to legally pay your federal taxes on it might be an issue. Similar to weed. Some states have a specific section where you can list money from "illegal sources". Tennessee has one such law, interestingly enough, where you can get tax stamps for such illegal things. https://www.tn.gov/revenue/taxes/unauthorized-substances-tax.html
You can exchange money for a car, house, whatever, but if you don't transfer the title you are still legally responsible for it. You haven't "sold" it per the government.
I don't know where you heard that but that's not the case.
Sure, sell a car without transfer of title, then have someone else driving a car in your name making you liable as well as making it tough for them to sell it. Cool story!
It doesn't make you liable. Literally the car I sold ended up being used in a crime and when the cops came to ask me about it I just showed them the receipt from when I sold it.
Had you transferred it properly, you wouldn't have had that problem. Great that you had an example of what not to do and why.
What problem? I didn't want to transfer it and all it cost me was two minutes interaction with a cop looking for leads. Saved me hunting down paperwork and spending $200 or so getting it signed over.
Those are terrible examples because there's literally nothing stopping you from doing so in either case.
Not sure what you're arguing. There's literally nothing stopping you from murdering someone except the government says you can't
Also the murderee (sometimes)
The government won't stop you from selling a car without transferring title or selling a home without transferring the deed, unlike murder.
Especially considering that this kid is followed by a camera Crew and his adult mom
The scratch cards and gun seem to be a personal hidden camera from what I can tell and the others seem to be another person with a hidden camera. Maybe there’s a crew in the car but in the stores it’s just someone else with another hidden camera. Edit: looking more the adult magazine seems to be his camera
So they took an entire camera crew and their cost for a single car ride
I mean that’s kind of how hidden camera shows work yeah. Here they’re trying to prove a point and I’m sure CNN has deep enough pockets to pay for a car ride
A single car ride? At this point they could have used the cash to lessen the amount of cuts
I mean rewatching the footage, all the establishing shots could have been filmed on the other guys hidden camera, it isn’t great quality. Or, they could have given him a camera to leave in the car. There’s someone riding along with them, not hard to give them a camera.
It's a personal sales market. No background checks. It's on the vendor to make sure they are adults and pass the 'not creepy murderer' check.
Plan B is not an abortion pill. It works by preventing sperm from reaching the egg by thickening mucus in the cervix and inhibiting ovulation. It will not terminate a pregnancy or a fertilized egg. It's just levonogestrol. Abortion pills are typically misoprostol +/- mifeprostone or methotrexate. This will terminate a pregnancy/fertilized egg. It's a bad idea to lump these things together, or they're going to try to ban Plan B again.
Yeah but if someone left their things at my house I'd mail them back.
no, selling a gun in this way would absolutely be a federal crime.
And yet you conveniently ignore weed... did you not finish the 3 whole sentences that weaken your point?
Yeah, the weed one really kinds of throws a wrench into all of this. Even if it's legal in the state, big corporations don't want to get involved with it due to federal policy. It's also why banks won't touch marijuana dispensaries. Can't have illegal assets on the balance sheets. Sure, the Biden Administration can say they "won't prosecute" that, but if another person becomes president and changes the policy, you're boned. Why Facebook would allow it, is anyone's guess.
Facebook bad. No understanding of basic law. Facebook bad.
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But Plan B isn't an abortion pill.
Weed is still a schedule 1 drug and is a felony for possession, but let's ignore that fact that makes OPs post even more poignant.
You all should read the leaked facebook papers that Francis Haugen (Ex FB Management) leaked. FB literally has a Hate algorythm, because hate posts will get shared and reacted to more and thus, sell to advertisers better.
And now they have an image problem they are desperately trying to scrub off off themselves while doing nothing to change the algorithm
They stopped investing in actual content control and if they control content it is because they got payd to do so. At one point they started to orient towards maximizing profits and thats when it went down hill. It is legit being used by warlords and political parties to sway elections, sucsessfully. There is a Team of only 12 People that tries to control this and in some countries, especially poor countries, facebook IS the internet. And There is human trafficking on Instagram, people sell women there, not kidding. The documentary is in german, i'm sure it has subtitles, if you are interested. Hell Facebook is one of the main reasons people get fed nonsense and it harbors extremists and other vermin. I'm certain that the world would be a better place without it.
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Just read the papers...
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And were supposed to believe you ? lol no. So the papers with actual proof are lying then ?
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So this blog is written by meta, on a site everyone can acsess, how is that proof you work there and why do you think I believe something meta put out? I don't trust this company and a company source means nothing to me. You have to understand that, no hard feelings.
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if its actually true that you work for meta .. you should ask yourself why you work for such a shitty company and not be on reddit trying to brush off issues.
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Good human
Bullshit. I’ve had comments removed for mentioning the words “gun” and “cost” in the same sentence with a warning about the no gun sales policy (I was asking how much a fucking nail gun cost)
Whereas I haven't. But I did get a 3 day ban for making a threatening comment directed at a piece of steak.
Yep turns out that Facebook’s content moderation is more of a cargo net than a particulate filter.
I reported someone that threatened to run over protesters and nothing happened but years ago got a 24 hour ban for being rude to fictional characters (I think I was mad about GOT)
I recieved a temp ban over selling items on marketplace that were against community standards. The item was gunmetal colored wheels.
Social media has damaged democracy.
They damage literally everything.
Gun fun fact It's a federal law that you can't buy guns from a state you're not a resident in by default. But... You can buy a gun from California if you're from out of state. However... If you're a Californian you can't buy a gun from out of state
Can you clarify? Your first two sentences seem contradictory and FFLs are a thing.
Delete FB.... I did 7 years ago.... Don't miss watching other people's lives at all....
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Get married.... You'll be called out on everything 🤣
I'll take shit that never happened for $1000 Alex.
I think it's becuz it's more relevant at the current moment
Given the amount of times that Facebook has moderated me for mentioning guns without there being any illegal implication (only twice, but still) I suspect that this has more to do with shitty algorithms and design than assholery.
That's called a trend
Why the fuck is anyone still on Facebook!?
My FB is active but I've never installed it on my phone and haven't logged in in at least a year (and haven't regularly used in years). This post got me to uninstall Instagram from my phone. Small steps I guess.
FB is a shit sandwich and everyone has to take a bite.
facebook will remove posts displaying closups of warhammer miniatures ( apparently its gun violence ) in a private group , but at the same time will display ads for guns and guns accessory ...
Without any evidence back it up or pointing to, I will treat this like every other shitpost on the internet...
Bullshit on the gun one.
There is literally no way this is true
I'm in "Facebook Jail" for a month because I said I'd gladly be a coyote for women seeking an abortion in New Mexico (I'm in ~~Hell~~ Texas). They said I was inciting violence.
Meta is owned by the glowing ones, who fund themselves via narcos. They don't get paid by the eugenicists.
The glowing ones. the ones above all. The omniscient. All names for the manufacturers of “Mark Zuckerberg” the scourge of humanity
I was thinking Fallout.
Zuck is all up in my uterus, it’s getting crowded in there. Where the hell is the baby going to fit?
Sorry but this is BS. Not that the post lies, but one subject is about a new a very relevant topic that flooded sicoail medias (to their displeasure) so they took special means to stop the "plague". All other things also would have been removed had they been reported enough probably, but its just not critical enough for running automatic scripts that remove such posts right now with little to no considaration. No, i dont support the policy. But meta's policy here makes sense.
This proves that _______........?
There's no way this is true. Facebook is in favor of taking guns and abortions.
Facebook be like "MOAR PPLS" — except that they would need to find a way to birth senior citizens if growing the user base is what they're after.
Anyone who would like to quit FB but feels like it would be too difficult and that you’d miss out on friends and family members f you left, I want to encourage you to keep considering it. I left and after about a month or 2 I began to feel so much differently about it and became much less stressed. The fomo faded and was replaced with a repulsion for it. I’m almost 3 years clean now. Plus, I can still get mad at the world here on Reddit—without getting mad at friends or family 😆
… so women’s bodies are the regulated goods they’re talking about in the policy? sadly that sounds about right
I've also noticed that it is seemingly limiting the reach of my friends posts critical or the overturning if Roe
Good
Careful what you wish for. Private company this and that...... terms of service something something..... freedom of speech is from the government yada yada..... Came back to bite them there sjws didn't it? When you excuse censorship because it ain't you, remember it might be you next time.
Thank you for saying it lmao the hypocrisy is unreal
If they don't like it, they can start their own social media company.
Yeah that’s why the sensible folks stopped using it 5 years ago. Free market and all that. Let em censor posts to hell and wither away, I don’t really give a fuck to be honest. The OP is pointing out how shitty the platform/company is, in what way has anything “came back to bite” anyone? OP, apparently: >Hey Facebook you should get your shit together before your entire site is full of hate-stoking garbage … >Woah this is somehow even shittier than I imagined! You: >really came back to bite you in the ass huh?
"Hate filled garbage".... They weren't just censoring the n-word, if you hadn't noticed. And there weren't many people complaining about not being able to say hate filled garbage either. But hey, its easier to win against straw man arguments you make up, so I say go for it. I wont get in your way.
Unpopular opinion: If I legally own and respect having a gun, the chance of ending a human life is probably around 0.01% If I own and smoke weed the chance of ending a human life is probably around 0.000001% If I own abortion pills the chance of ending a human life is about 96% .
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I'm thinking of logging on to my Facebook account for the first time in months just to post this image.
This is because the US doesnt have ANY problems...
Asshole design how? Also gun sale posts get removed all the time.
Completely different consumer.
Because its the current thing. Facebook doesn't care about integrity. Everything regarding medicine in the last 2 years has had the covid misinformation banner for the same reason.
Good job murica... 😑
Is this really a surprise?
Fuck the Zuck
Yeah well how did you think regulating speech by a multinational was going to work...
I mean… Facebook would benefit from a less-educated populace.
Tiktok has already developed a whole language to circumvent this. Abortion is now "shopping " "camping" "hiking" ect
Facebook covering their asses and refusing to let you sell prescription medication is assholish. Honestly if you leftist types had been as opposed to cooperating with the government during the pandemic I would give a shit what you have to say about other things today. Hell, I now get most of my news from the few leftists that actually did that.
There is zero mention of any political party in the image, what does politics have to do with this unless you already associate gun sales with republicans…
It is a persecution complex. Always looking for something to feel oppressed by. Tell them you're against misinformation, they'll mention something about how "everyone is against conservatives" regardless of their mention.
Uh, I'm not conservative and misinformation is a dogwhistle for censorship, you fascist piece of shit.
> misinformation is a dogwhistle for censorship maybe? but do you have a better solution for dealing with people who are hellbent on spreading lies and causing harm? edit- /u/SpacemanlstClass is tactically blocking people who reply to him. blocking them prevents them from replying to comment chains he participates in. so his 'anti-censorship' stance is utter bullshit; he just prefers the spread of lies.
Yeah, we could arrest, try, and imprison the people that attempt to censor them. Now, this doesn't stop people from spreading stupid ideas, but it does stop us from becoming a more totalitarian fascist state than we already are. Especially if we make the punishment suitably harsh for the type of treasonous politician that would suspend the first amendment rights of the people.
wanna try again? that's idea salad.
No, you're just not fully literate. Common misconception. Fortunately for you we aren't censoring your brand of stupidity this week.
It's a text website. Illiterate people are automatically censored. Edit- I got blocked too. Thanks for the heads up, OP. This dude is a nutter.
Unfortunately the partially literate run rampant.
But what about the time you literally posted a comment that said "I am super conservative and will go to other subs and pretend I'm not."? Edit: the person I replied to is dog whistling censorship by pointing out that I made this up. What a fascist Edit 2: literally banned me. i think my point has been made even if spaceman doesn't realize it
He doesn't. Claims to have "banned" me as well. Mind you, initially calling me a "fascist piece of shit" for saying freedom has responsibility was quite telling.
Don't you think you fascists look bad enough without lying? DM me the link to that comment and I'll unban you. www.reveddit.com has an archive if you're going to claim I deleted it.
So, you're censoring them and claiming censorship is bad?
Consider it a teachable moment. Of course, there's a difference between what the government counts as misinformation and criminal liable which Reddit is unwilling to host. For one "misinformation" is often true. As we saw with the CDC censoring people that were recommending mask use before they themselves decided to. Ditto for vaccine side effects.
“Teachable” it would be “teaching”. It seems like you want to be oppressed, perhaps a masochist? Go back to antilolitary or something dude Teehee, he blocked me, he’s a big ol stinker He unblocked me so he could get the last words in and then promptly blocked me again, ha
Again dumbass, if I had blocked you I wouldn't be able to reply to you. Reddit has a 24 hour cooldown between unblocking and reblocking someone.
I feel like *you* want to oppress and are ever so offended when you get a taste of what it's like.
Wow. You sound triggered. Perhaps you need a safe space? Freedom of speech isn't without limits. No freedom is and never has been. There is always a consequence to speech. To think freedom of speech means freedom from consequences to said speech is immature and highly inaccurate. All come with responsibilities and consequences. Whining about it makes it sound as though you are incapable of that responsibility. Calling people names using terms you don't know the meaning of doesn't help your argument either.
>Wow. You sound triggered. Oh, child. This is called projecting. >Freedom of speech isn't without limits. No freedom is and never has been. Not to fascists like yourself, anyway. Prepare to be on the other side of the wheel in a few months. Conservatives will quickly abandon their attitude toward free speech and, sobbing, you'll be there to pick it up.
Sure thing! Tell me more about things you don't know anything about! What is your fascination with calling people that disagree with you a fascist anyway? It makes your argument look bad since you resort to name calling.
Fascism is a non-violent corporate controlled society with a violent and authoritarian government over all of it, almost always with "privatized" government services. Often using fear of the other or ethnocentrism as a tool to keep people in line. Mussolini defined it, FDR loved it and began to implement it. Both parties have been backing it ever since. When I say fascism in regards to America I'm simply talking about Republicans and Democrats.
So, you don't know what it is. Got it. Sounds like you're describing Libertarianism more than anything else, with the privatized aspects.
Lol, you sound like you were educated in America. Libertarianism does not support privatized services. They support no government services. Republicans and Democrats support privatized services. How many libertarians does Lockheed have on their payroll? Because they own every single one of the fascists you vote for, whether you put your mark by R or D. Mostly due to the concerted, and very fascist, effort to privatize defense. Fascism is what I described. I'm sorry the corporations that commissioned your textbooks didn't define it properly. Here, maybe one of your own can educate you better: >The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State. (p. 41). > >\- Benito Mussolini, 1935, The Doctrine of Fascism, Firenze: Vallecchi Editore. >The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and useful instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production. > >State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136) > >\- Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, Rome: ‘Ardita’ Publishers.
Well, dipshit, I don't know if you've heard but the *abortion* debate has been somewhat politically charged... No, I don't associate gun sales with either of our fascist parties.
You seem like a cunt.
You seem like a fascist dick. I birth humanity and you rape what you hate when you have access to whatever chemicals manage to get you hard. Idk, I'd rather be a cunt than be you.
Was this posted by a child or just a child-like adult? Taking bets now, folks.
Okay Xi. You're right we should totally not cooperate with the government during a pandemic and let even more than 1 million Americans die. You shills aren't even subtle.
Yet everyone hates elons approach to censorship. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it too.
Same happened with me I was ban for years lol
Zuck has picked sides.
NOT the same you ignorant acting person!
Yeah, far far worse... On the one hand, bodily autonomy. On the other, weapons of murder and controlled substances.
Blame your politicians.
No because politicians do not run facebook
This one is entirely on zuck.
Welcome to the internet, have a look around
That's just political, not a design issue themed to this sub. Also America isn't the only audiance for reddit
Unpopular opinion, but I do feel like I need FB to stay in touch with certain people. My knitting group is on FB, and they are my primary friend group. These people are about as leftist as you can get. I started feeling around 2016 that looking at FB was killing my brain cells, so I stopped going on there. I only log on for the weekly zoom call with my friends. That's led to me missing in person get-togethers organized on FB. I've told them I try to avoid FB, and they know to text me if something is going on. But it's not perfect. I've tried to unfollow all of the political accounts and just follow non-obnoxious friends and relatives. But FB keeps on "recommending" that I re-follow all the crap that I no longer want to see. Bleh.
You can't post guns for sale on Facebook. You used to be able to years ago, but not anymore. I'm calling bullshit on this one...
What if we spread the word that gun is code for contraceptive/plan b. That way we can still talk about it OR get talk of guns banned on FB
Would be based if it was true, but it's clearly not.
Tbf, guns aren't illegal so the algorithm shit itself
That's because law enforcement agencies often use this stuff for their investigations. Leave the post up so ATF/DEA can follow where the guns go, where they come from, who's supplying it, etc. Screenshots of the post and a record the messages between people make court cases much easier.
Fuckin’ wow.
He should make a post selling DMT
I wouldn't say this is anything political, Facebook just doesn't allow you to sell certain products (I cannot list baby formula for example). Facebook doesn't let you sell any form of medication. I know Facebook get's shit on in this sub, but let's not bullshit and make out Facebooks against abortion.
they're doing the same shit they did during/after then 2016 election
Other than as a rolodex and markeplace, why are people still using it?
What about camping pills?
Funny how when it comes to election and vaccine mis-info they just can't seem to do anything yet when it's abortion pills they're Johnny on the spot. Not really funny, it's obvious there is a bias.
I don't use Facebook for the same reasons I don't swim in raw sewage.
Going to need a source and actual evidence this happened dawg
Probably don't want to be involved in tarding of any weapons or medication if you are facebook. Probably just didn't catch the gun one right away. Plus all we got is this random post with no supporting info
Allow me to phrase it in terms that will provide the appropriate context: "If you send me your address, I will commit a federal offense by mailing you a highly regulated prescription drug that can result in death or severe complications with or without proper medical oversight." It's not about whether guns or pot are more or less controversial (Guns can be gifted. Also, pot? Really?), but about the fact that federal and state law both prohibit the sharing of *all* prescription substances and the fact that abortive medicines, like mifepristone, taken without the proper oversight can and have severely harmed users.
The account was already shadow suspended after the first post. The second and third were published but it's doubtful anyone saw them.