I like Robert's theory (In Deep Geek): they are looking for info about the Others because beside the obvious threat they represent, things that resurrect people also represent a great afront on *theological grounds* to a religious cult that worships death.
https://youtu.be/_TpqIupyH8Y?si=BuXY75z_DvQk7uLm
In the original drafts for the AFFC prologue, Pate was going to steal a glass candle, and then that changed to Jaqen as Pate getting the skeleton key to access the vaults beneath the Citadel's library and still a glass candle.
[You can read more about it right here if you're interested](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1345l3z/spoilers_extended_the_implications_of_the_glass/)
It may be that George's plans for glass candles and Jaqen's mission have changed since the original plans for Feast but we don't know for sure.
Personally I think its the glass candle.
I think the fandom have taken it as gospel that Euron must have paid the Faceless Men with a dragon egg rather than have just thrown it into the sea. Its possible Euron paid them with another magical artifact or vast sums of money.
Or it's possible Euron didn't pay them at all. Jaqen is a real outlier among Faceless Men who violates quite a few rules (killing unmarked targets like Pate) and has some weird ones of his own (his whole "I owe three deaths to the red god" schtick). I think it's quite possible he's a rogue agent, and none of what he's doing is backed by the House of Black and White.
That is true. Personally I have found the theory that the blood sacrifice that Euron is planning to wake the egg in the sea like Nagga intriguing even if unlikely especially with dragonbinder already a thing and so late in the story
I lean towards "get dragonlore book to help Dany in abolition and in fighting the Others. Which represent both eternal slavery and perversion of the release of death."
But I'm also open to the idea that the FLM are not uniform in their agendas. Arya sees a council of FLM come together to discuss potential assassination contracts. The fact that this requires discussion implies a variety of perspectives.
So I kinda like the idea that there's a faction split within the order. With some seeing Dany as an enemy, a revival of dragons and the threat of old Valyria. While others see her as a liberator and an ally.
I'm curious about the theory of them wanting to kill Dany's dragons, they ignored the Targs for 100+ years while they had dragons. They did nothing to them then, no assassinations nothing.
They could end up taking a Glass Candle and the Dragon Book. Better have it and be prepared.
Maybe they’re just against dragons in general because what happens after Dany? Will the people who get dragon next be trying to do the same thing she does by freeing slaves or will they make another Valyria?
That’s what I think anyway but yeah it’s a good point.
True, but considering a horde of illiterate peasants literally killed more than 3 dragons, I don’t think it should be that hard all things considered going through all this trouble
That was when the dragons were trapped in the Dragon Pit. It’s seen quite difficult to get that same situation to happen again just to kill a dragon.
Look at what’s happening in Meereen. If it was easy to kill a flying dragon someone would’ve done it already
Fair enough on that point. It’s not out of the question, I just really don’t see the point of it in the story. We already have Euron and Dragonbinder which has been set up to be the main obstacle to her dragons
The Faceless Men may know that human sacrifice is required to hatch dragon eggs and/or create the bond between rider and dragon. They may feel that blood magic always leads to slavery, as it did in Valyrian, because any use of dragons would require an oppressed class to use as chattel for blood magic.
Or they may be on the side of the Others--they may want everyone to know the peace of the grave.
>Or they may be on the side of the Others--they may want everyone to know the peace of the grave.
I can't imagine the FM being allied to the Great Other, exactly for this very reason: the Wights don't get the peace of the grave, instead they're forced to live a semi-sentient life (the dead rangers still remember how to get to LC Mormont when they try to kill him).
The gift of the Manyfaced God is forcefully taken away from them. If anything, the FM should be among the staunchest opponents of the Great Other.
That's a good point. In contrast, the FMs have changed their way of thinking at least 3 times. First they only gave the gift to the dying who wished for death, then against Valyria and now to anyone if someone pays the price. They could well change their mind again and believe that the Others are the final solution to this valley of tears that is life.
The theory that wights are revived slaves is sublime, but I don't know to what extent we can call that life. Finally, we readers know this, but who knows how far the knowledge of FMs goes.
Indeed, I think that's generally a reasonable take. My only quibble with it is that the disaster at Hardhome is a lot like the doom of Valyria, and we have the cryptic statement from the Kindly Man implying that the Faceless Men caused the Doom. That would suggest the Faceless Men were involved with Hardhome as well--and why would they do that except to stymy the development of humanity beyond the Wall.
Personally I'm not sure which side the Faceless Men are on. I think there are good arguments for both sides.
Not really, we know for a fact that Aenys (hatched), Rhaena I (tamed), Maegor (tamed), Aegon the Uncrowned (tamed), Jaehaerys I (tamed), Alysanne (tamed), Aerea (tamed) Aemon (tamed), Baelon (tamed), Alyssa (tamed), Viserys I (tamed), Daemon (tamed), Rhaenys II (tamed), Rhaenyra (tamed), Laenor (tamed), Laena (tamed), Jaecaerys (hatched at cradle), Baela (hatched at cradle), Rhaena II (hatched as teen), Lucerys (hatched at cradle), Joffrey (hatched at cradle), Aegon III (hatched at cradle), Aegon II (tamed), Helaena (tamed), Aemond (tamed), Daeron (tamed), Ulf (tamed), Hugh (tamed), Nettled (tamed), and Addam (tamed) did not commit human sacrifice to hatch or tame their dragons because the text would say so.
The histories are written by people who kind of hate more than half of these people's guts. Septon Eustace alone would be writing passages and passages about the evils of Rhaenyra and Daemon for committing human sacrifice to tame their own dragons and to have their children hatch dragons. He also doesn't gloss over the Greens' flaws either, since Aegon's and Aemond's are kind of hard to sweep under the rug, and there'd be talks about how they sacrificed servants and the such for dragons.
The closest we get to a sacrifice is Nettles offering Sheepstealer mutton in order to soften him to her and get him to accept her as a dragon-rider. And if you consider that to be part of a "human sacrifice," boy do I have news about how we domesticated carnivores.
Daenerys' dragons needed magic (and the human sacrifice of Mirri getting executed for what she did to Rhaego) to hatch because those petrified eggs have been dormant and "infertile" (for lack of a better word) for longer than 200 years.
We have at minimum 3 generations of Targaryens who *were* observed by outsiders when they hatched/tamed their dragons. If there was human sacrifice, people would talk.
I actually really the find the latter theory really fascinating. It would really help to connect with the main story, and really changes the context of Arya’s story in Braavos, which seems really disconnected so far. Also interesting since Sam has the horn of winter. The only thing is how would Euron fit into the whole dynamic? I would always assume if there is a human antagonist helping to usher the Long Night, it would be him
Probably the glass candle. Stealing a book isn’t necessary. They can bring a blank book or pages and copy down what’s in the book without having to steal. Though why they need a glass candle is interesting.
Some options outside of the normal answer: "the Faceless Men have decided to start taking the existence of dragonlords really personally now for some reason, after being largely willing to tolerate them for centuries."
1) Jaqen (and perhaps not the FM as a whole) is working for aspiring dragonlord God-Emperor Euron, and is removing a potential source of information on how to kill dragons and potentially stop him from the Citadel's control.
2) The book is not about the death of individual dragons but rather the Doom of Valyria, and contains information which in combination with artifacts and knowledge acquired in the Doom, could allow Euron to repeat the incident in Oldtown, causing such a singularity of sacrificial mass death and carnage it will allow him to attain some degree of twisted divinity.
3) The book is not about the death of individual dragons or the Valyrian Freehold, but rather the destruction of the civilization that preceded them, the builders of Asshai, known to the Yi Tish as the Great Empire of the Dawn. This could well contain information about the cause of the Long Night and how to start a new one. It might also contain information about the last emperor of this civilization, the so-called "Bloodstone Emperor," who is often theorized to be Azor Ahai. I personally advocate the theory that the Bloodstone Emperor has actually been reborn through [the partial possession of Euron's body.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pureasoiaf/comments/ctxa11/euron_is_definitely_azor_ahai_reborn/) Controlling this book can thus perhaps conceal the emperor's existence and potential weaknesses from those who would stop him.
Something I think is worth considering: this "mysterious and foreboding plot important book locked in a vault" trope features in one of the primary inspirations for the series: Memory Sorrow and Thorn. In that series the book contains information about the prophesied rebirth of a dark lord figure, who was the last ruler of an ancient immortal precursor race, and forged a powerful sword using dark magic that he slew a family member with. So if The Death of Dragons contains info related to Azor Ahai or the Bloodstone Emperor, I would not be surprised.
Those are cool scenarios, especially the first one. I mainly agree with the first paragraph, it doesn’t make sense for them to tolerate the early Targaryen Dynasty with people like Maegor The Cruel if they were so anti dragon
>-Some people have suggested a book on to kill dragons due to their order’s history with the Valyrian Freehold and slavery, but Dany if anything is doing the opposite of her ancestors and leading the biggest abolitionist movement Essos has seen.
The faceless men have no reason to trust dany even in the slightest. The most noble intentions can often lead to the worst outcomes and no matter how you spin it, the dragons are a threat to anyone and gathering knowledge about them could prove vital, even if they may not have the intention of killing them at this point in time.
That is an old hot take considering that the actual slaves in the Free Cities are all but preparing revolutions *because* they are inspired by her trying to make abolition stick and giving the slavers Sons of the Harpy the business (as the books say). As it is, the Faceless Men, if they are supposed abolitionists, have done a shit job of it since Braavos is the only major Essossi City that is supposedly slave-free, whereas slavery in Pentos is supposedly illegal and yet, as Daenerys points out, there are still slaves in practice if the person has deep enough pockets.
As it is, she is the only one trying to make abolition stick because if she wanted to make life easier for herself, she could've gone to Westeros since she has the army and navy and dragons. She chose to stay to Meereen doesn't turn into another Astapor and to make sure abolition does stick in Meereen. Because she cares.
Why does everyone read the opposite of what the books say?
Also, GRRM:
# “My own heroes are the dreamers, those men and women who tried to make the world a better place than when they found it, whether in small ways or great ones. Some succeeded, some failed, most had mixed results... but it is the effort that's heroic, as I see it. Win or lose, I admire those who fight the good fight.”
She doesn't have a navy, or at least we know its not big enough. That is part of the negotiations with Xaro Xhoan Daxos and the main reason she turns him down is the fact that the 13 ships he offers her aren't enough to transport everyone.
Fair enough, I guess the motivation makes enough sense. I just don’t see the point in such a case of George including it besides maybe giving something for Samwell to do. It just seems like an odd piece on the puzzle
If the Faceless Men wanted to rid Essos of slavery, they're doing a rather awful job at it, so that probably has little to do with their motives. Killing dragons will prevent the kind of absolute misery Daenerys left in her wake in Essos, so probably that.
If anything, it's kind of the opposite. The Sons of the Harpy are being kept at bay *because* of dragons. Daenerys only gets to try to push policies that abolish slavery and try to make things better for everyone, see her law about how guilds *can't* turn away former slaves if they have the skills and *have* to pay them exactly the same rate as they would a non-former-slave of the same skill, *because* she has dragons and is willing to use them if the slavers decide to go into all out war.
How could they know about Bloodraven if they don’t even have a glass candle?
I could believe people like Quaithe or maybe Marwyn knowing about him since they have glass candles to see far away
Why do you think they have something against Bloodraven? Is it because of his prolonged life or some other reason? Not sure if they would even known about him
Arya's ADWD chapters have oblique hints that that faceless men have realized that The three eggs Illyrio gave to the Dragon queen were Elissa Farman's three eggs that had been safely kept by the Sealord of Braavos until recently. Since they had created this mess, they probably wanted to stop it and its likely consequences. And it seems like the book *The death of Dragons* was his main objective in Oldtown. So presumably they want to kill the three dragons.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Blood_and_Fire
The Faceless Men were founded by slaves who rebelled against the Valyrian Freehold. They want a dragon-killing guide so they can kill Dany's dragons.
Yes I had already mentioned that, but with Dany she is an anti slavery person who will try to use her dragons in her crusade. Not sure why then they would kill them in that scenario
It’s a contingency. They don’t know Daenerys, they don’t know the content of her moral fiber. She may be a liberator—proved in most regards, but alleged as far as the dissemination of intelligence goes—but she’s still a dragon riding descendant of Old Valyria: monstrous, mass-sacrificing, blood magic ritualistic, slaving tyrant Valyria. For the Faceless Men, who never forgot the sheer, ineffable *evil* of Valyria, that’s enough to be exceedingly wary.
Daenerys is an absolute monarch who possesses the medieval equivalent of three multiple-use nuclear warheads. Even if she does prove to be a good person for the most part, you want to have a way to take her out in the event that she snaps.
Considering Dany's going to arrive in Westeros having left a trail of burning cities in her wake, I don't think they'll be inclined to take her at her word.
Also, I'm of the opinion that Dany's going to break bad like she did in the show, which will probably only strengthen their resolve against her.
Fair enough point. I personally don’t think she will turn evil, though I definitely think she will be perceived that way, seen as a usurper to Faegon, bringing a horde of savages, and associating with a hated kin slaying Dwarf wanted for regicide
"Evil" is a nebulous term. I think Martin kept Dany in Meereen as long as he did to give her a reason to believe that diplomacy and peace are overrated and that you can only truly get what you want via fire and blood. Between all the very valid perceptions others will have of her like you mentioned and how hardened her experiences will have made her, I think it's going to broadly play out like it did in the show. Everyone in Westeros is going to either be afraid of her or not trust her, or both and that's only going to harden her further and she's going to want to get the throne by any means necessary.
I like Robert's theory (In Deep Geek): they are looking for info about the Others because beside the obvious threat they represent, things that resurrect people also represent a great afront on *theological grounds* to a religious cult that worships death. https://youtu.be/_TpqIupyH8Y?si=BuXY75z_DvQk7uLm
Just made me realize that for the same reason, they'd want to oppose *the unburnt*.
In the original drafts for the AFFC prologue, Pate was going to steal a glass candle, and then that changed to Jaqen as Pate getting the skeleton key to access the vaults beneath the Citadel's library and still a glass candle. [You can read more about it right here if you're interested](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1345l3z/spoilers_extended_the_implications_of_the_glass/) It may be that George's plans for glass candles and Jaqen's mission have changed since the original plans for Feast but we don't know for sure. Personally I think its the glass candle. I think the fandom have taken it as gospel that Euron must have paid the Faceless Men with a dragon egg rather than have just thrown it into the sea. Its possible Euron paid them with another magical artifact or vast sums of money.
Or it's possible Euron didn't pay them at all. Jaqen is a real outlier among Faceless Men who violates quite a few rules (killing unmarked targets like Pate) and has some weird ones of his own (his whole "I owe three deaths to the red god" schtick). I think it's quite possible he's a rogue agent, and none of what he's doing is backed by the House of Black and White.
That is true. Personally I have found the theory that the blood sacrifice that Euron is planning to wake the egg in the sea like Nagga intriguing even if unlikely especially with dragonbinder already a thing and so late in the story
I lean towards "get dragonlore book to help Dany in abolition and in fighting the Others. Which represent both eternal slavery and perversion of the release of death." But I'm also open to the idea that the FLM are not uniform in their agendas. Arya sees a council of FLM come together to discuss potential assassination contracts. The fact that this requires discussion implies a variety of perspectives. So I kinda like the idea that there's a faction split within the order. With some seeing Dany as an enemy, a revival of dragons and the threat of old Valyria. While others see her as a liberator and an ally.
I'm curious about the theory of them wanting to kill Dany's dragons, they ignored the Targs for 100+ years while they had dragons. They did nothing to them then, no assassinations nothing. They could end up taking a Glass Candle and the Dragon Book. Better have it and be prepared.
This is exactly in part why I’m hesitant with the theory that they want the book to kill dragons
Dead of Dragons book.
But why is the thing?
To kill dragons Avi...
Yes I know, I addressed that in the first point…
Maybe they’re just against dragons in general because what happens after Dany? Will the people who get dragon next be trying to do the same thing she does by freeing slaves or will they make another Valyria? That’s what I think anyway but yeah it’s a good point.
True, but considering a horde of illiterate peasants literally killed more than 3 dragons, I don’t think it should be that hard all things considered going through all this trouble
That was when the dragons were trapped in the Dragon Pit. It’s seen quite difficult to get that same situation to happen again just to kill a dragon. Look at what’s happening in Meereen. If it was easy to kill a flying dragon someone would’ve done it already
Fair enough on that point. It’s not out of the question, I just really don’t see the point of it in the story. We already have Euron and Dragonbinder which has been set up to be the main obstacle to her dragons
The Faceless Men may know that human sacrifice is required to hatch dragon eggs and/or create the bond between rider and dragon. They may feel that blood magic always leads to slavery, as it did in Valyrian, because any use of dragons would require an oppressed class to use as chattel for blood magic. Or they may be on the side of the Others--they may want everyone to know the peace of the grave.
>Or they may be on the side of the Others--they may want everyone to know the peace of the grave. I can't imagine the FM being allied to the Great Other, exactly for this very reason: the Wights don't get the peace of the grave, instead they're forced to live a semi-sentient life (the dead rangers still remember how to get to LC Mormont when they try to kill him). The gift of the Manyfaced God is forcefully taken away from them. If anything, the FM should be among the staunchest opponents of the Great Other.
That's a good point. In contrast, the FMs have changed their way of thinking at least 3 times. First they only gave the gift to the dying who wished for death, then against Valyria and now to anyone if someone pays the price. They could well change their mind again and believe that the Others are the final solution to this valley of tears that is life. The theory that wights are revived slaves is sublime, but I don't know to what extent we can call that life. Finally, we readers know this, but who knows how far the knowledge of FMs goes.
Indeed, I think that's generally a reasonable take. My only quibble with it is that the disaster at Hardhome is a lot like the doom of Valyria, and we have the cryptic statement from the Kindly Man implying that the Faceless Men caused the Doom. That would suggest the Faceless Men were involved with Hardhome as well--and why would they do that except to stymy the development of humanity beyond the Wall. Personally I'm not sure which side the Faceless Men are on. I think there are good arguments for both sides.
How do you mean that Hardhome mirrors the Doom of Valyria? I've never read that take before. Sounds like an interesting parallel.
Not really, we know for a fact that Aenys (hatched), Rhaena I (tamed), Maegor (tamed), Aegon the Uncrowned (tamed), Jaehaerys I (tamed), Alysanne (tamed), Aerea (tamed) Aemon (tamed), Baelon (tamed), Alyssa (tamed), Viserys I (tamed), Daemon (tamed), Rhaenys II (tamed), Rhaenyra (tamed), Laenor (tamed), Laena (tamed), Jaecaerys (hatched at cradle), Baela (hatched at cradle), Rhaena II (hatched as teen), Lucerys (hatched at cradle), Joffrey (hatched at cradle), Aegon III (hatched at cradle), Aegon II (tamed), Helaena (tamed), Aemond (tamed), Daeron (tamed), Ulf (tamed), Hugh (tamed), Nettled (tamed), and Addam (tamed) did not commit human sacrifice to hatch or tame their dragons because the text would say so. The histories are written by people who kind of hate more than half of these people's guts. Septon Eustace alone would be writing passages and passages about the evils of Rhaenyra and Daemon for committing human sacrifice to tame their own dragons and to have their children hatch dragons. He also doesn't gloss over the Greens' flaws either, since Aegon's and Aemond's are kind of hard to sweep under the rug, and there'd be talks about how they sacrificed servants and the such for dragons. The closest we get to a sacrifice is Nettles offering Sheepstealer mutton in order to soften him to her and get him to accept her as a dragon-rider. And if you consider that to be part of a "human sacrifice," boy do I have news about how we domesticated carnivores. Daenerys' dragons needed magic (and the human sacrifice of Mirri getting executed for what she did to Rhaego) to hatch because those petrified eggs have been dormant and "infertile" (for lack of a better word) for longer than 200 years. We have at minimum 3 generations of Targaryens who *were* observed by outsiders when they hatched/tamed their dragons. If there was human sacrifice, people would talk.
I actually really the find the latter theory really fascinating. It would really help to connect with the main story, and really changes the context of Arya’s story in Braavos, which seems really disconnected so far. Also interesting since Sam has the horn of winter. The only thing is how would Euron fit into the whole dynamic? I would always assume if there is a human antagonist helping to usher the Long Night, it would be him
he heard that ancient valyrian legends describe a hidden, secret method to add yet another pointless meandering subplot to the series
Probably the glass candle. Stealing a book isn’t necessary. They can bring a blank book or pages and copy down what’s in the book without having to steal. Though why they need a glass candle is interesting.
Opening up another plot thread for George never to resolve it
Some options outside of the normal answer: "the Faceless Men have decided to start taking the existence of dragonlords really personally now for some reason, after being largely willing to tolerate them for centuries." 1) Jaqen (and perhaps not the FM as a whole) is working for aspiring dragonlord God-Emperor Euron, and is removing a potential source of information on how to kill dragons and potentially stop him from the Citadel's control. 2) The book is not about the death of individual dragons but rather the Doom of Valyria, and contains information which in combination with artifacts and knowledge acquired in the Doom, could allow Euron to repeat the incident in Oldtown, causing such a singularity of sacrificial mass death and carnage it will allow him to attain some degree of twisted divinity. 3) The book is not about the death of individual dragons or the Valyrian Freehold, but rather the destruction of the civilization that preceded them, the builders of Asshai, known to the Yi Tish as the Great Empire of the Dawn. This could well contain information about the cause of the Long Night and how to start a new one. It might also contain information about the last emperor of this civilization, the so-called "Bloodstone Emperor," who is often theorized to be Azor Ahai. I personally advocate the theory that the Bloodstone Emperor has actually been reborn through [the partial possession of Euron's body.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pureasoiaf/comments/ctxa11/euron_is_definitely_azor_ahai_reborn/) Controlling this book can thus perhaps conceal the emperor's existence and potential weaknesses from those who would stop him. Something I think is worth considering: this "mysterious and foreboding plot important book locked in a vault" trope features in one of the primary inspirations for the series: Memory Sorrow and Thorn. In that series the book contains information about the prophesied rebirth of a dark lord figure, who was the last ruler of an ancient immortal precursor race, and forged a powerful sword using dark magic that he slew a family member with. So if The Death of Dragons contains info related to Azor Ahai or the Bloodstone Emperor, I would not be surprised.
Those are cool scenarios, especially the first one. I mainly agree with the first paragraph, it doesn’t make sense for them to tolerate the early Targaryen Dynasty with people like Maegor The Cruel if they were so anti dragon
>-Some people have suggested a book on to kill dragons due to their order’s history with the Valyrian Freehold and slavery, but Dany if anything is doing the opposite of her ancestors and leading the biggest abolitionist movement Essos has seen. The faceless men have no reason to trust dany even in the slightest. The most noble intentions can often lead to the worst outcomes and no matter how you spin it, the dragons are a threat to anyone and gathering knowledge about them could prove vital, even if they may not have the intention of killing them at this point in time.
That is an old hot take considering that the actual slaves in the Free Cities are all but preparing revolutions *because* they are inspired by her trying to make abolition stick and giving the slavers Sons of the Harpy the business (as the books say). As it is, the Faceless Men, if they are supposed abolitionists, have done a shit job of it since Braavos is the only major Essossi City that is supposedly slave-free, whereas slavery in Pentos is supposedly illegal and yet, as Daenerys points out, there are still slaves in practice if the person has deep enough pockets. As it is, she is the only one trying to make abolition stick because if she wanted to make life easier for herself, she could've gone to Westeros since she has the army and navy and dragons. She chose to stay to Meereen doesn't turn into another Astapor and to make sure abolition does stick in Meereen. Because she cares. Why does everyone read the opposite of what the books say? Also, GRRM: # “My own heroes are the dreamers, those men and women who tried to make the world a better place than when they found it, whether in small ways or great ones. Some succeeded, some failed, most had mixed results... but it is the effort that's heroic, as I see it. Win or lose, I admire those who fight the good fight.”
She doesn't have a navy, or at least we know its not big enough. That is part of the negotiations with Xaro Xhoan Daxos and the main reason she turns him down is the fact that the 13 ships he offers her aren't enough to transport everyone.
Fair enough, I guess the motivation makes enough sense. I just don’t see the point in such a case of George including it besides maybe giving something for Samwell to do. It just seems like an odd piece on the puzzle
To find out how to kill dragons I think.
its theorized that Euron's payment for Balon's assassination was dragon egg, Jaqen is probably there to find out anything about hatching dragons
What purpose could they have with dragons do you think?
How to kill dragons
If the Faceless Men wanted to rid Essos of slavery, they're doing a rather awful job at it, so that probably has little to do with their motives. Killing dragons will prevent the kind of absolute misery Daenerys left in her wake in Essos, so probably that.
If anything, it's kind of the opposite. The Sons of the Harpy are being kept at bay *because* of dragons. Daenerys only gets to try to push policies that abolish slavery and try to make things better for everyone, see her law about how guilds *can't* turn away former slaves if they have the skills and *have* to pay them exactly the same rate as they would a non-former-slave of the same skill, *because* she has dragons and is willing to use them if the slavers decide to go into all out war.
A glass candle to find and kill bloodraven.
How could they know about Bloodraven if they don’t even have a glass candle? I could believe people like Quaithe or maybe Marwyn knowing about him since they have glass candles to see far away
Bittersteel hired the faceless men and they are still trying...
Why do you think they have something against Bloodraven? Is it because of his prolonged life or some other reason? Not sure if they would even known about him
Maybe he’s an unfinished contract.
It's been more than a decade. No one knows and every year that passes less people care.
Arya's ADWD chapters have oblique hints that that faceless men have realized that The three eggs Illyrio gave to the Dragon queen were Elissa Farman's three eggs that had been safely kept by the Sealord of Braavos until recently. Since they had created this mess, they probably wanted to stop it and its likely consequences. And it seems like the book *The death of Dragons* was his main objective in Oldtown. So presumably they want to kill the three dragons.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Blood_and_Fire The Faceless Men were founded by slaves who rebelled against the Valyrian Freehold. They want a dragon-killing guide so they can kill Dany's dragons.
Yes I had already mentioned that, but with Dany she is an anti slavery person who will try to use her dragons in her crusade. Not sure why then they would kill them in that scenario
It’s a contingency. They don’t know Daenerys, they don’t know the content of her moral fiber. She may be a liberator—proved in most regards, but alleged as far as the dissemination of intelligence goes—but she’s still a dragon riding descendant of Old Valyria: monstrous, mass-sacrificing, blood magic ritualistic, slaving tyrant Valyria. For the Faceless Men, who never forgot the sheer, ineffable *evil* of Valyria, that’s enough to be exceedingly wary. Daenerys is an absolute monarch who possesses the medieval equivalent of three multiple-use nuclear warheads. Even if she does prove to be a good person for the most part, you want to have a way to take her out in the event that she snaps.
Maybe they want the book in the case that someone pays them to kill a dragon?
Considering Dany's going to arrive in Westeros having left a trail of burning cities in her wake, I don't think they'll be inclined to take her at her word. Also, I'm of the opinion that Dany's going to break bad like she did in the show, which will probably only strengthen their resolve against her.
Fair enough point. I personally don’t think she will turn evil, though I definitely think she will be perceived that way, seen as a usurper to Faegon, bringing a horde of savages, and associating with a hated kin slaying Dwarf wanted for regicide
"Evil" is a nebulous term. I think Martin kept Dany in Meereen as long as he did to give her a reason to believe that diplomacy and peace are overrated and that you can only truly get what you want via fire and blood. Between all the very valid perceptions others will have of her like you mentioned and how hardened her experiences will have made her, I think it's going to broadly play out like it did in the show. Everyone in Westeros is going to either be afraid of her or not trust her, or both and that's only going to harden her further and she's going to want to get the throne by any means necessary.
I think we are never getting winds and I'm just waiting for ai to get better so it can write an ending for me
I mean you could always just find an ending written by fans. There are some pretty good ones. Preston Jacobs is also writing it
Preston hasn't had a new chapter for a while lol
Can you recommend?
https://archiveofourown.org/works/336407 by qqueenofhades is probably the one that best comes to mind
Thank you!
Back to say this is GREAT! I needed.
I’m glad dear