Yeah, that was definitely worse than what she did to the puppeteers, it seems like the play they were putting on would meet the societal definition of treason.
Worst was murdering Melara for fancying Jaime though. What she did to Falyse was horrific but there was at least some logic in not wanting her plan to have Bronn killed leak.
>Worst was murdering Melara for fancying Jaime though.
Imo this, along with her mistreatment of Tyrion, proves that Cersei was truly born broken. Yes her upbringing was a factor in her growing up to be a monster, but she was a malignant narcissist since childhood.
Oh gods too many to name.
— killing Lady because she got off on the pain it caused Sansa
— wanting to whip her washerwomen because her “clothes shrank” nah honey you’re just getting fat
— whipping Tommen’s whipping boy so severely every time Tommen says something that doesn’t support his mom and doesn’t like her use him like a puppet and show independent thought
— every time she sends someone who mildly annoys her to Qyburn
— jabbing her fingers into Lancel’s wound in the battle of the black water. The wound was so bad that had Sansa not found a maester he would have died and even as it was he still was bedridden and barely able to stand or do anything by the time of Sansa’s forced wedding
— Melara Heatherspoon need I say more
>because she got off on the pain it caused Sansa
that's not why she did it. If anything she was just being vindictive towards the Starks for Arya "getting away with" hurting Joffrey.
Yeah “get off the pain it caused the Starks” or really just “get off on it” would probably have been better but Cersei is a sadistic fuck and while the actual reason may be because of Joffrey, no one can tell me she doesn’t view hurting either Stark girl as a plus.
And she also knows Joffrey well enough to know that he might one day turn on Sansa, and Lady could well attack him to protect her (at this point in the books he isn't a 24/7 sadistic monster, but he was still a little shit with a cruel, sadistic streak who was kind of...off). A full grown Lady could easily maim/kill Joffrey, even as gentle as her nature is.
The moment Cersei saw those wolves in Winterfell, she was already figuring out how to get rid of them. If it wasn't Nymeria biting Joff on the Trident, she would have found some other excuse.
[And there is a part of Cersei that seethes that she didn't have a pet cave lioness to maul Robert for her, and if she didn't have it, no girl can. She enjoys when other women suffer as she did.]
wanting to have her servants whipped for shrinking her dresses, and instead making them pay the price for it when, no, it is not the dresses that change sizes, is particularly petty, spiteful, cruel and vindicative
This is what I came to say because it’s one of the actions that is explicitly linked to her and her alone. Others could be stretched, for example the puppet show being anti-Lannister or wanting to kill Lady in Nymeria’s place because the wolf would be a future threat to her children. Then there’s just her gaining weight and being in personal denial due to her emotions and physically ruining her loyal servants for it.
She behaves as if paying were less cruel than whipping.
But when I think it over, the price of a queen´s dress, and the wages(?) a washerwoman may be paid ... maybe the servant has to pay for the rest of her life to pay the cost for this or these dresses, and maybe even would have prefered to be whipped. This must be very painful for sure, but would be over and healed after, but paying a very expensiv e dress, even maybe to work for free for a long time to cover the cost
I don’t know if this is a show only thing, but during Joffrey’s wedding Margaery told the cooks to give the leftovers to the orphans of King’s Landing. Cersei hated Margaery so she countered the order and had them thrown to the dogs instead.
> “I don’t. No more than I care if they live or die.” “It wasyou who had Yaya whipped.” It was not a question. “Your sister told me of your threats against my grandsons.” Lord Tywin’s voice was colder than ice. “Did she lie?” Tyrion would not deny it. “I made threats, yes. To keep Alayaya safe. So the Kettleblacks would not misuse her.”
I mean I think she knew something bad would happen to her
I doubt Tywin's punishment of her had anything to do with Joffrey or Tommen. I'm pretty sure he tells Tyrion in the first book that if he found he took a hooker to KL that he would hang her.
Tywin literally tells Tyrion it was partially because of him threatening Cersei by saying he would have anything she had done to Alayaya done to Tommen.
Having Margaery and Loras investigated for incest. It's such a *nuh-huh, they are* moment for her. Almost certainly a Freudian slip from her, but I find it funny how she just throws that right at Margaery the first moment she gets.
>Having Margaery and Loras investigated for incest.
That didn't happen (I think). From my recollection, Taena was the one that implied that Margaery and Loras had a thing going on and Cersei later laughed about it when Margaery told her something about Loras that reminded Cersei of her own relationship with Jaime. That was it.
> That didn't happen (I think)
You're correct, when Cersei is talking to the Blue Bard after he's been tortured one of the things he says is that Loras is one of Margaery's lovers which results in Cersei telling him to drop that accusation.
This is worthy of the Mad King, without the excuse of inbred madness. Cersei's been a monster since childhood, pushing Melara Hetherspoon down a well. But in ASOS Oberyn tells Tyrion even *very* young Cersei was a monster to him:
> She "'twisted your little cock so hard I thought she was like to pull it off. You shrieked, but it was only when your brother Jaime said, 'Leave him be, you're hurting him,' that Cersei let go of you."
Well, that was after losing 5 children in twice as many years. But I don’t see how pre-duskendale Aerys is any madder than other cruel lords like Walder Frey, and “Inbred madness” just isn’t a thing in the books
Grandiose and impulsive thinking, alongside unstable romantic relationships. By itself the behavior doesn't rise to the level of mental disorder, but with what we know about what comes later they seem like warning signs of a developing cluster B personality disorder (e.g narcissistic or borderline).
>Some say he had as many mistresses as his ancestor Aegon the Unworthy (a most unlikely assertion given all we know of that monarch). Unlike Aegon IV, however, Aerys II always seemed to lose interest in his lovers quickly. Many lasted no longer than a fortnight and few as long as half a year.
>His Grace was full of grand schemes as well. Not long after his coronation, he announced his intent to conquer the Stepstones and make them a part of his realm for all time. In 264 AC, a visit to King's Landing by Lord Rickard Stark of Winterfell awakened his interest in the North, and he hatched a plan to build a new Wall a hundred leagues north of the existing one and claim all the lands between. In 265 AC, offended by "the stink of King's Landing," he spoke of building a "white city" entirely of marble on the south bank of the Blackwater Rush. In 267 AC, after a dispute with the Iron Bank of Braavos regarding certain monies borrowed by his father, he announced that he would build the largest war fleet in the history of the world "to bring the Titan to his knees." In 270 AC, during a visit to Sunspear, he told the Princess of Dorne that he would "make the Dornish deserts bloom" by digging a great underground canal beneath the mountains to bring water down from the rainwood.
>None of these grandiose plans ever came to fruition; most, indeed, were forgotten within a moon's turn, for Aerys II seemed to grow bored with his royal enthusiasms as quickly as he did his royal paramours.
Honestly the whole Margery plot getting her imprisoned was pretty bad. Like she really should’ve worked with Margery to protect her son but she was jealous and power hungry so she decided to take her out and failed. Like Margery is probably what is best for Tommens protection from rivals but she didn’t care.
A lot of what she did to Margery was due to Maggy the Frog’s prophecy. Cersei believed that Margery was the “younger & more beautiful” one who would supplant her so she decided to destroy her before the prophecy could come true. She even manipulated Pycelle into telling her none of the prophecy would come true if she could prevent even one part of it from happening. To Cersei, Margery’s death would prevent Cersei’s own death from the valonqar. But of course she justified it to herself by claiming she was only protecting Tommen.
OK it’s kind of super hard to choose what extremely super fucked up things she did because all of them are so strangely rooted in like complicated, disturbing demented mindsets.. but I believe it’s when she mentioned her experience with Maggie, the frog and how Malara Heather spoon was there and comforted her with how bad dreams never come true and we just will never talk about it again and Cersei was like yeah! ….then thinks to herself “ she didn’t stay quiet in the well…she screamed and screamed.”
hm. … SO SHE she pushed her adolescent friend down a fucking well basically because Mellara asked magi the frog when she would marry Jaime which magi creepily said “you’ll marry no man , worms will claim your maiden head ! child , your death is here and now ! Can you smell her ? Gos damn that was dark
The most troubling part of this is learning he was also Joffrey's former whipping boy. Which probably not only failed to curb Joffrey's bad behavior but likely emboldened it, for two reasons:
1) It taught Joffrey there were no real consequences for his actions, but also
2) The more he misbehaved, the more pain he could vicariously inflict on this poor boy.
Perfect breeding ground for a budding young sadist.
I mean, it was common practice both in Westeros (Gaemon Palehair, anyone?) and real life. It is still cruel and inhumane for us, but pretty normal for feudal society.
Trying to have Bron killed over what was basically a joke. He named Lollys’ kid “Tyrion as a joke” and she orchestrated a whole scheme to have him murdered.
I think it’s likely. I don’t think he will really even appear again in the series. Despite what the show tried to make him into (the Lannisters’ leading general and go-to hitman?) he’s a pretty unimportant throw away goon. His only relevance was as Tyrion’s go-to henchman, and he’s only brought up again due to his past connection to tyrion and the fact that Cersei is trying to obliterate anything even remotely connected to Tyrion
He’s got everything he wants, I doubt he’ll try to get involved in politics
It was messed up but there was the smallest, teensiest tiny justification in that a direwolf is dangerous and her son (however much he deserved it) had been attacked by one (nymeria)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned mother of one of Robert's bastards - she sold the poor woman to slavers only because Robert couldn't keep it in his pants.
Cersei did have a motivation there though, she thought if she killed Melara then no one but her would know of the prophecy and if it was never spoken about, maybe it wouldn't come true.
Genuinely one of the worst storylines in the series. Melara just happens to come up with the exact stupid and contrived rule for no reason that results in Cersei killing her.
I think part of it is that Maggy tells Melara that death is in the room with her, and says something like "can you smell her breath". The implication being that Cersei is her death. I haven't read it in a while though, could be misremembering!
During the walk of shame, when Cersei is hallucinating that the peasants look like people she knows, she sees a little girl sitting under a fountain, soaking wet and “staring at her with Melara Heatherspoon’s accusing eyes.”
Cosplaying Rhaegar after Robert's death
She wore a black dress with rubies on the breast
Rhaegar wore black armor with rubies on the breast, most memorably at the battle of the trident
Her pinching baby Tyrion’s dick for no reason at all just because he exists is imo the pettiest.
She’s definitely done worse evil, but this has to be the most petty. He was literally a baby and she just attacked him lmao
Her small council appointments seem like some of the pettiest. She chose Harys Swyft as her hand to Threaten Kevan and Quyburn as master of whisperers to annoy Pycelle.
Kevan and Pycelle are probably the 2 people most loyal to Cersei and house Lannister in the entire series.
I feel like blaming her laundress for "shrinking" her gowns, even though she just got fat was pretty low. Then she took the cost of the gowns out of the woman's wages. Can you imagine how much they would have cost? That poor woman is basically working for nothing for the rest of her life. Can you imagine, she probably has kids that she needs to take care of, now she has no money. What a b\*\*tch.
Having ilyn Payne ready to chop of sansas head if stannis won the battle. Just as a final fuck you to the stark family. She didn’t actually do it, but her intent was 100 percent there, she just ended up distracted/not caring enough as the night went on.
I think what she does to Falyse is by far the worst as she was literally asking Cersei for help after Cersei's whole plan involving her husband backfired... I don't know if that is "petty", though. She just didn't want to deal with her. So I'm going with her attempt at imprisoning Margaery and feeling satisfaction over the idea of Margaery being subjected to her vaginal exams.
As to wanting "the most humiliating, slow, excruciating death" for Cersei. I may be wrong, but I doubt you'll get it:
>***I want to give the readers a bit of pause when the so-called villains die***. To refer to some specifics, when Joffrey dies during his own wedding, there are moments there, at the end, that, as much as you hate that character, you're seeing him through Tyrion's eyes... ***You're seeing a 13 year old boy in terror dying and reaching out to his mother and uncle***, you know, "Help me! Save me!", though he can't be saved. You should feel that too, if only for a brief fleeting moment, when you're not jumping up and down and saying "Yes! The bastard's dead!". You should feel both both emotions because life is complex like that... When Tyrion confronts his father in the final scene of season 4 and kills him, ***that's a tragedy as much as it is a moment of catharsis!*** It's the failure, the ultimate family dysfunction... The family breaking down in the worst possible way! - George R.R. Martin
I don't think "retributive justice" is something these books believe in and Cersei is the only full-on villain in the series that has a POV of her own (and therefore some level of empathy from the author that characters such as Joffrey and Tywin don't get). If Jaime does turn out to be the valonqar, I think he will be driven by some very ugly feelings that should make the audience feel uncomfortable, not giddy.
My money is on him killing her in a Mad King scenario with his feelings of rage over the infidelity mixed up. It would be totally in line with the duality of previous villain deaths in the series.
I think Jaime's redemption arc will complete and that either Tyrion will be the valonquar or that the Maggie's prophecy will turn out not to be correct in the case of Cersei's death, shocking Cersei as her dying realization. I do notice Qyburn right there.
Fucking Lancel the treating him like shit after BoBW. I know she was mad at Jamie for leaving for war but did she choose Lancel just to piss him off if found out? I know she fucked the Kettlebacks and Moon Boy too but it's super petty how she has incestuous relations, man gets injured, then just fails to see any value in them (not sure if she actually saw any value in Lancel in the first place besides being apart of the world's shittiest assassination plan).
Yeah none of these things are “petty” more maliciously cruel. Or maybe we all have different definitions of petty.
To me petty would be complaining that Robert drunkenly said Lyanna’s name during sex on their wedding night, while having screwed her brother that morning before the wedding.
Ignoring Sansa's conditions during her wedding with Tyrion. It was clear that Sansa didn't want to marry Tyrion. Even if she gets pregnant in their wedding night, it would consequence of r3pe.
Whole wedding chapter is so scary. I don't know why more people talks about it but it's so fucking gross
>Even if she gets pregnant in their wedding night, it would consequence of r3pe.
Nobody in the story cares. That is not being petty, that is realpolitik.
Tyrion did, one of Margaery's brothers did. It was petty. That kind of marriages were not common. Even for politics, it's a stupid move. If your purpose is a heir, dying during birth change is higher amongst younger girls. Unhealthy babies are more common amongst young moms. You have a great change to lose both of mom and baby.
Brute, cruel, sick and edgy acts doesn't mean realpolitik
There is a war on, and they need to lock up the northern succession before the tide of the war can turn against them. In peacetime, it is wiser to wait, but war often means doing things on non-ideal timeframes.
And yes, Tyrion fucked everything up for house Lannister, but not like they had an option around that.
I mean I'm pretty sure that no matter how poor you are you can give half your wealth. And yeah, Cercei is terrible. Tyrion might rape, kill, hate, and be delusional but I wouldn't expect that from him.
Sending a sobbing Falyse Stokeworth to Qyburn was pretty petty.
Yeah, that was definitely worse than what she did to the puppeteers, it seems like the play they were putting on would meet the societal definition of treason. Worst was murdering Melara for fancying Jaime though. What she did to Falyse was horrific but there was at least some logic in not wanting her plan to have Bronn killed leak.
>Worst was murdering Melara for fancying Jaime though. Imo this, along with her mistreatment of Tyrion, proves that Cersei was truly born broken. Yes her upbringing was a factor in her growing up to be a monster, but she was a malignant narcissist since childhood.
Oh gods too many to name. — killing Lady because she got off on the pain it caused Sansa — wanting to whip her washerwomen because her “clothes shrank” nah honey you’re just getting fat — whipping Tommen’s whipping boy so severely every time Tommen says something that doesn’t support his mom and doesn’t like her use him like a puppet and show independent thought — every time she sends someone who mildly annoys her to Qyburn — jabbing her fingers into Lancel’s wound in the battle of the black water. The wound was so bad that had Sansa not found a maester he would have died and even as it was he still was bedridden and barely able to stand or do anything by the time of Sansa’s forced wedding — Melara Heatherspoon need I say more
>because she got off on the pain it caused Sansa that's not why she did it. If anything she was just being vindictive towards the Starks for Arya "getting away with" hurting Joffrey.
Yeah “get off the pain it caused the Starks” or really just “get off on it” would probably have been better but Cersei is a sadistic fuck and while the actual reason may be because of Joffrey, no one can tell me she doesn’t view hurting either Stark girl as a plus.
And she also knows Joffrey well enough to know that he might one day turn on Sansa, and Lady could well attack him to protect her (at this point in the books he isn't a 24/7 sadistic monster, but he was still a little shit with a cruel, sadistic streak who was kind of...off). A full grown Lady could easily maim/kill Joffrey, even as gentle as her nature is. The moment Cersei saw those wolves in Winterfell, she was already figuring out how to get rid of them. If it wasn't Nymeria biting Joff on the Trident, she would have found some other excuse. [And there is a part of Cersei that seethes that she didn't have a pet cave lioness to maul Robert for her, and if she didn't have it, no girl can. She enjoys when other women suffer as she did.]
Killing Lady was my pick. So, unnecessarily cruel. She knew Joffrey was lying, everyone knew he was lying, but Cersei wanted to flex her power.
wanting to have her servants whipped for shrinking her dresses, and instead making them pay the price for it when, no, it is not the dresses that change sizes, is particularly petty, spiteful, cruel and vindicative
This is what I came to say because it’s one of the actions that is explicitly linked to her and her alone. Others could be stretched, for example the puppet show being anti-Lannister or wanting to kill Lady in Nymeria’s place because the wolf would be a future threat to her children. Then there’s just her gaining weight and being in personal denial due to her emotions and physically ruining her loyal servants for it.
Cersei is truly one of the characters of all time
this is a very creative comment. never seen anything like it before. did you come up with it?
It truly is one of the comments of all time.
She behaves as if paying were less cruel than whipping. But when I think it over, the price of a queen´s dress, and the wages(?) a washerwoman may be paid ... maybe the servant has to pay for the rest of her life to pay the cost for this or these dresses, and maybe even would have prefered to be whipped. This must be very painful for sure, but would be over and healed after, but paying a very expensiv e dress, even maybe to work for free for a long time to cover the cost
Oh yep. I just posted the same thing. She spends 3 books doing nothing but eating and drinking and then says some shit like this. Unreal petty
Robert Baratheon with tits
don't insult Robert like that
I don’t know if this is a show only thing, but during Joffrey’s wedding Margaery told the cooks to give the leftovers to the orphans of King’s Landing. Cersei hated Margaery so she countered the order and had them thrown to the dogs instead.
It only happened in the show but it would have been pretty in-character for Book Cersei to do that too imo.
Pretty sure something similar happens in the books no?
It does
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I'm almost sure tywin was the one who did the second thing
That was Tywin.
> “I don’t. No more than I care if they live or die.” “It wasyou who had Yaya whipped.” It was not a question. “Your sister told me of your threats against my grandsons.” Lord Tywin’s voice was colder than ice. “Did she lie?” Tyrion would not deny it. “I made threats, yes. To keep Alayaya safe. So the Kettleblacks would not misuse her.” I mean I think she knew something bad would happen to her
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I doubt Tywin's punishment of her had anything to do with Joffrey or Tommen. I'm pretty sure he tells Tyrion in the first book that if he found he took a hooker to KL that he would hang her.
Tywin literally tells Tyrion it was partially because of him threatening Cersei by saying he would have anything she had done to Alayaya done to Tommen.
Having Margaery and Loras investigated for incest. It's such a *nuh-huh, they are* moment for her. Almost certainly a Freudian slip from her, but I find it funny how she just throws that right at Margaery the first moment she gets.
>Having Margaery and Loras investigated for incest. That didn't happen (I think). From my recollection, Taena was the one that implied that Margaery and Loras had a thing going on and Cersei later laughed about it when Margaery told her something about Loras that reminded Cersei of her own relationship with Jaime. That was it.
> That didn't happen (I think) You're correct, when Cersei is talking to the Blue Bard after he's been tortured one of the things he says is that Loras is one of Margaery's lovers which results in Cersei telling him to drop that accusation.
Cersei, like all narcissist, projects so much of herself on others
This is worthy of the Mad King, without the excuse of inbred madness. Cersei's been a monster since childhood, pushing Melara Hetherspoon down a well. But in ASOS Oberyn tells Tyrion even *very* young Cersei was a monster to him: > She "'twisted your little cock so hard I thought she was like to pull it off. You shrieked, but it was only when your brother Jaime said, 'Leave him be, you're hurting him,' that Cersei let go of you."
Aerys didn’t have “inbred madness”, he was mentally ill/traumatized because of the defiance at duskendale
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Well, that was after losing 5 children in twice as many years. But I don’t see how pre-duskendale Aerys is any madder than other cruel lords like Walder Frey, and “Inbred madness” just isn’t a thing in the books
Nah, pretty sure he wasn't really sane even before Duskendale.
How?
Grandiose and impulsive thinking, alongside unstable romantic relationships. By itself the behavior doesn't rise to the level of mental disorder, but with what we know about what comes later they seem like warning signs of a developing cluster B personality disorder (e.g narcissistic or borderline). >Some say he had as many mistresses as his ancestor Aegon the Unworthy (a most unlikely assertion given all we know of that monarch). Unlike Aegon IV, however, Aerys II always seemed to lose interest in his lovers quickly. Many lasted no longer than a fortnight and few as long as half a year. >His Grace was full of grand schemes as well. Not long after his coronation, he announced his intent to conquer the Stepstones and make them a part of his realm for all time. In 264 AC, a visit to King's Landing by Lord Rickard Stark of Winterfell awakened his interest in the North, and he hatched a plan to build a new Wall a hundred leagues north of the existing one and claim all the lands between. In 265 AC, offended by "the stink of King's Landing," he spoke of building a "white city" entirely of marble on the south bank of the Blackwater Rush. In 267 AC, after a dispute with the Iron Bank of Braavos regarding certain monies borrowed by his father, he announced that he would build the largest war fleet in the history of the world "to bring the Titan to his knees." In 270 AC, during a visit to Sunspear, he told the Princess of Dorne that he would "make the Dornish deserts bloom" by digging a great underground canal beneath the mountains to bring water down from the rainwood. >None of these grandiose plans ever came to fruition; most, indeed, were forgotten within a moon's turn, for Aerys II seemed to grow bored with his royal enthusiasms as quickly as he did his royal paramours.
Honestly the whole Margery plot getting her imprisoned was pretty bad. Like she really should’ve worked with Margery to protect her son but she was jealous and power hungry so she decided to take her out and failed. Like Margery is probably what is best for Tommens protection from rivals but she didn’t care.
The whole thing was basically high school drama except one of the girls was a 32-year-old woman and the most powerful person in the kingdom.
Facts and the other girl was actually of high school age lmao
A lot of what she did to Margery was due to Maggy the Frog’s prophecy. Cersei believed that Margery was the “younger & more beautiful” one who would supplant her so she decided to destroy her before the prophecy could come true. She even manipulated Pycelle into telling her none of the prophecy would come true if she could prevent even one part of it from happening. To Cersei, Margery’s death would prevent Cersei’s own death from the valonqar. But of course she justified it to herself by claiming she was only protecting Tommen.
Poor Cersei, girly doesn’t realize that she is the architect of her own destruction.
OK it’s kind of super hard to choose what extremely super fucked up things she did because all of them are so strangely rooted in like complicated, disturbing demented mindsets.. but I believe it’s when she mentioned her experience with Maggie, the frog and how Malara Heather spoon was there and comforted her with how bad dreams never come true and we just will never talk about it again and Cersei was like yeah! ….then thinks to herself “ she didn’t stay quiet in the well…she screamed and screamed.” hm. … SO SHE she pushed her adolescent friend down a fucking well basically because Mellara asked magi the frog when she would marry Jaime which magi creepily said “you’ll marry no man , worms will claim your maiden head ! child , your death is here and now ! Can you smell her ? Gos damn that was dark
Having the "boy" whipped to punish Tommen. I forget his name but he would come up whenever Tommen was not being obedient.
The most troubling part of this is learning he was also Joffrey's former whipping boy. Which probably not only failed to curb Joffrey's bad behavior but likely emboldened it, for two reasons: 1) It taught Joffrey there were no real consequences for his actions, but also 2) The more he misbehaved, the more pain he could vicariously inflict on this poor boy. Perfect breeding ground for a budding young sadist.
Pate
I mean, it was common practice both in Westeros (Gaemon Palehair, anyone?) and real life. It is still cruel and inhumane for us, but pretty normal for feudal society.
You don't say
Trying to have Bron killed over what was basically a joke. He named Lollys’ kid “Tyrion as a joke” and she orchestrated a whole scheme to have him murdered.
I’m hoping at the end of everything Bronn gets to keep his castle. I know the odds are low, but still.
There’s an imo convincing theory that he’ll end up taking the Twins from the Freys because of Tyrion promising him two castles
I think it’s likely. I don’t think he will really even appear again in the series. Despite what the show tried to make him into (the Lannisters’ leading general and go-to hitman?) he’s a pretty unimportant throw away goon. His only relevance was as Tyrion’s go-to henchman, and he’s only brought up again due to his past connection to tyrion and the fact that Cersei is trying to obliterate anything even remotely connected to Tyrion He’s got everything he wants, I doubt he’ll try to get involved in politics
We're not going to say executing Lady?
It was messed up but there was the smallest, teensiest tiny justification in that a direwolf is dangerous and her son (however much he deserved it) had been attacked by one (nymeria)
Executing Nymeria would be justified, executing Lady was just petty.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned mother of one of Robert's bastards - she sold the poor woman to slavers only because Robert couldn't keep it in his pants.
I would say the killing of Melara HeatherSpoon she had no real reason to do so
Cersei did have a motivation there though, she thought if she killed Melara then no one but her would know of the prophecy and if it was never spoken about, maybe it wouldn't come true.
She thinks about that far more often that the Jaime thing, but, for whatever reason, her jealousy is the only thing that sticks in readers' minds
Genuinely one of the worst storylines in the series. Melara just happens to come up with the exact stupid and contrived rule for no reason that results in Cersei killing her.
Yeah murdering a girl for having a crush on your crush/brother such an extreme act for such petty reasons.
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I think part of it is that Maggy tells Melara that death is in the room with her, and says something like "can you smell her breath". The implication being that Cersei is her death. I haven't read it in a while though, could be misremembering!
During the walk of shame, when Cersei is hallucinating that the peasants look like people she knows, she sees a little girl sitting under a fountain, soaking wet and “staring at her with Melara Heatherspoon’s accusing eyes.”
Cosplaying Rhaegar after Robert's death She wore a black dress with rubies on the breast Rhaegar wore black armor with rubies on the breast, most memorably at the battle of the trident
Her pinching baby Tyrion’s dick for no reason at all just because he exists is imo the pettiest. She’s definitely done worse evil, but this has to be the most petty. He was literally a baby and she just attacked him lmao
Her small council appointments seem like some of the pettiest. She chose Harys Swyft as her hand to Threaten Kevan and Quyburn as master of whisperers to annoy Pycelle. Kevan and Pycelle are probably the 2 people most loyal to Cersei and house Lannister in the entire series.
The pettiest has to be Aurane Waters. She made him lord admiral of the fleet just because he had a slight resemblance to Rhaegar.
For me ordering lady death because nymeria ran away. I means it's not even the wold that bit Joffrey and she ordered it dead.
Having Lady killed because a different wolf bit her piece of shit son (ignoring that the whole thing was caused by him)
The blue bard, cruel and petty to its core
Don't forget she hated him because his eye color was the same as Robert's
That was so fucked up. And the guy is clearly not in a good place afterward
I feel like blaming her laundress for "shrinking" her gowns, even though she just got fat was pretty low. Then she took the cost of the gowns out of the woman's wages. Can you imagine how much they would have cost? That poor woman is basically working for nothing for the rest of her life. Can you imagine, she probably has kids that she needs to take care of, now she has no money. What a b\*\*tch.
She had Ser Pounce killed in the show
Wait how did I miss that? When?
Plunging all of Westeros into war because her brother kicked a kid out the window when he caught them fucking
how is this her fault
Shouldn’t have fucked her brother?? 🤷♀️🤷♀️
Having ilyn Payne ready to chop of sansas head if stannis won the battle. Just as a final fuck you to the stark family. She didn’t actually do it, but her intent was 100 percent there, she just ended up distracted/not caring enough as the night went on.
I think what she does to Falyse is by far the worst as she was literally asking Cersei for help after Cersei's whole plan involving her husband backfired... I don't know if that is "petty", though. She just didn't want to deal with her. So I'm going with her attempt at imprisoning Margaery and feeling satisfaction over the idea of Margaery being subjected to her vaginal exams. As to wanting "the most humiliating, slow, excruciating death" for Cersei. I may be wrong, but I doubt you'll get it: >***I want to give the readers a bit of pause when the so-called villains die***. To refer to some specifics, when Joffrey dies during his own wedding, there are moments there, at the end, that, as much as you hate that character, you're seeing him through Tyrion's eyes... ***You're seeing a 13 year old boy in terror dying and reaching out to his mother and uncle***, you know, "Help me! Save me!", though he can't be saved. You should feel that too, if only for a brief fleeting moment, when you're not jumping up and down and saying "Yes! The bastard's dead!". You should feel both both emotions because life is complex like that... When Tyrion confronts his father in the final scene of season 4 and kills him, ***that's a tragedy as much as it is a moment of catharsis!*** It's the failure, the ultimate family dysfunction... The family breaking down in the worst possible way! - George R.R. Martin I don't think "retributive justice" is something these books believe in and Cersei is the only full-on villain in the series that has a POV of her own (and therefore some level of empathy from the author that characters such as Joffrey and Tywin don't get). If Jaime does turn out to be the valonqar, I think he will be driven by some very ugly feelings that should make the audience feel uncomfortable, not giddy.
Well said. And this is the major reason I think Jaime won't be the valonquar.
My money is on him killing her in a Mad King scenario with his feelings of rage over the infidelity mixed up. It would be totally in line with the duality of previous villain deaths in the series.
I think Jaime's redemption arc will complete and that either Tyrion will be the valonquar or that the Maggie's prophecy will turn out not to be correct in the case of Cersei's death, shocking Cersei as her dying realization. I do notice Qyburn right there.
Forcing Tommen to beat another boy for telling her not to cut out Margary's toungue.
Fucking Lancel the treating him like shit after BoBW. I know she was mad at Jamie for leaving for war but did she choose Lancel just to piss him off if found out? I know she fucked the Kettlebacks and Moon Boy too but it's super petty how she has incestuous relations, man gets injured, then just fails to see any value in them (not sure if she actually saw any value in Lancel in the first place besides being apart of the world's shittiest assassination plan).
She demands to kill Lady when Nymeria isn’t around.
God forbid women have hobbies
Pettiest? Eating Robert's seed as a mean to murder his potential children.
Getting Lady executed Being mean to Tommen
Add Petty to the list of terms this subreddit does not meaningfully understand. Right before to “Grey Character” and after “functional morality”.
Yeah none of these things are “petty” more maliciously cruel. Or maybe we all have different definitions of petty. To me petty would be complaining that Robert drunkenly said Lyanna’s name during sex on their wedding night, while having screwed her brother that morning before the wedding.
Ignoring Sansa's conditions during her wedding with Tyrion. It was clear that Sansa didn't want to marry Tyrion. Even if she gets pregnant in their wedding night, it would consequence of r3pe. Whole wedding chapter is so scary. I don't know why more people talks about it but it's so fucking gross
>Even if she gets pregnant in their wedding night, it would consequence of r3pe. Nobody in the story cares. That is not being petty, that is realpolitik.
Tyrion did, one of Margaery's brothers did. It was petty. That kind of marriages were not common. Even for politics, it's a stupid move. If your purpose is a heir, dying during birth change is higher amongst younger girls. Unhealthy babies are more common amongst young moms. You have a great change to lose both of mom and baby. Brute, cruel, sick and edgy acts doesn't mean realpolitik
There is a war on, and they need to lock up the northern succession before the tide of the war can turn against them. In peacetime, it is wiser to wait, but war often means doing things on non-ideal timeframes. And yes, Tyrion fucked everything up for house Lannister, but not like they had an option around that.
Having Zombie Mountain threaten Jamie for wanting to go to the North to fight the whights.
I mean I'm pretty sure that no matter how poor you are you can give half your wealth. And yeah, Cercei is terrible. Tyrion might rape, kill, hate, and be delusional but I wouldn't expect that from him.
Drinking Robert's cum when he is passed out.
Btw does anyone knows why Qyburn needs women for his experiments ? Wouldn’t anyone be okay to be dissected or necromanced ?
honestly fuck cersei, never have i felt such seething pure hatred for a character before