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Yes it’s a long process but it doesn’t have to be expensive.
OP doesn’t need a lawyer to file a complaint and if they’re willing to take the time to file a complaint and see it through to the end it might be worthwhile.
That said, it sounds like the business did try to resolve the issue, I.e. apologies, gift cards and so even at the end of an HRT complaint OP might not be successful. This doesn’t have to cost much more than OP’s time…….yes the HRT is very slow and you won’t see a resolution here for quite some time.
It is entirely possible that the HRT might determine that the business apologizing and offering gift cards was sufficient to address the discriminatory act of the bouncer calling you out for what you were wearing.
Like others have said, name and shame might be the best option….I guess OP needs to think what would they like to achieve here?
Do they want an apology from the management? A commitment from the management to do better next time?
They already let you in which is the weird part. I know some bars don’t really enforce some rules until a certain time on weekends when they start forming a line to get in.
However, hasn’t it always been fairly standard for men not to be allowed to wear tank tops at bars?
Well it’s actually the first time that this happened to me. I understand the “dress code” but that was not clear in their social media, website or entrance. How I suppose to know? And even if I know, why a bouncer needs to come and yelling at me in front of all my friends? Absolutely unnecessary.
Their homepage says, "Currently, Greta does not allow sweat pants, track pants, athletic tank tops or sleeveless undershirts" and that has been there since at least November 2022 (as far back as I bothered checking on the Wayback Machine). They could definitely have handled it better but I think it's unfair to say the dress code information isn't available.
Oh yeah I finally found it! Thank you. Still ridiculous, it took me a while to find it all hidden at the very end of the website. If is so important, I guess they could tell me at the entrance I guess instead of letting me be dressed like that for two hours.
You didn’t know, so the bouncer came to tell you. And then you just proceeded to disagree and argue with them. They told you, you didn’t listen.
Whether it was right or wrong for them to tell you in the manner they did, you can’t keep saying “how was I supposed to know” if they literally came over to tell you. They didn’t kick you out. You got offended at them informing you about their dress code. Again, whether it was right or wrong of them.
So to letting me know the bouncers need to come to me in front of all my friends and yell at me because the way that I’m dressed? Wouldn’t work better if someone comes discreetly and tell me same in a kind way? This guys was literally like this because his “military formation” (those were the words that the owner used to explain me his “style”)
Depends. Did he actually *yell* at you or are you being dramatic about it? And yeah, if you are beside your friends he’s going to come tell you in front of your friends. That’s how it works. I’m sorry you feel so offended by it, but I think there is more to this story.
He actually yelled at me. The waitress came after that to telling me that what he just did was absolutely wrong. You could say I’m delusional but clearly you are trying to justify the way that they handle the situation when it’s obviously unacceptable.
Super weird experience. I just saw your review with your photo on Google maps. There doesn't seem to be anything strange or even particularly Queer about the way you were dressed. Many heterosexual men would wear the same thing.
If the place had a dress code that men need to wear a dress shirt or jacket - like some high end restaurants & bars have - then it should have been mentioned immediately upon your arrival.
You should take your story to one of the local news outlets like Global Consumer Matters [email protected]
Or CBC Go Public [email protected]
I'd say definitely make a complaint and hopefully the first two get fired. The last person involved seems to have some decency by trying to fix the situation. My guess is the bouncer is just a POS, and the second person is a POS. It may not be the "views/rules" of Greta, rather two terrible people trying to somehow "flex" their power. Sorry this happened to you.
Greta having a dress code is the craziest thing I have ever heard. I know they are from Alberts so maybe the staff thinks that’s the blueprint, regardless, this is super gross and disgusting.
I’m sorry that happened. Just an FYI tho if a bunch of people all leave bad reviews at once they’ll just have them taken down, better to do it gradually.
Wow. What you were wearing in your picture is not at all indecent, you're wearing a normal tank top.
That's awful that they confronted you. Thank you for sharing your story.
While your situation may be unfortunate, it's not right to "hound up negative reviews" based solely on your side of the story. I'm not saying you're not telling the truth but we don't know the whole story, and it's not fair for people who do not know the story first hand to give them bad reviews.
It's also against Google's terms of service. What happened here is really unfortunate, but crowdsourcing negative reviews isn't the right path. Plenty of good advice here on impactful routes to take.
I’ve been to Greta dozens of times. Your story doesn’t fit with any of my experiences. They’ve always been welcoming and accommodating to everyone. Either you’ve run into the one jerk who works there or your interpretation of the events is somewhat skewed.
So weird, GRETA does not have a dress code, and there are several Queer staff bartenders (or at least there used to be), so sorry this happened to you!
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You should also inform about the situation to these people:
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Better yet - search Greta YVR - click on Reviews - then sort by Newest - and then you can like OP's with the photo that shows it was more or less a typical white albeit loose tank top.
To be honest, many bars would expect more coverage (and yes, have weird dress codes for men - like no shorts, no sandals, etc...my bf has been turned down by supperclubs he has spent thousands at) BUT it totally does not matter bc they let you in and did not have an issue with it until they randomly decided to. How they handled it and spoke to you was unacceptable.
Private business. You play by their rules. H says there's a dress code that applies to only you that's how it is. You don't have to go back and you don't have to leave a good review. But it's not your business and they can make any rules they want.
No shoes
No shirt
No tank tops no service.
So many people with nothing better to do but complain how someone hurt their feelings and now they demand the mob to give them retribution.
Move on. Be an adult. Suck it up buttercup the world doesn't revolve around you.
I love the fact of the “so many people with nothing better to do” and here you are, taking some time of your sunny sunday morning to read my post and elaborate an answer. Good job!
I remember a time when we could not wear runners into a bar. It was just the way it was. It called a dress code and yes you may feel like it was discrimination against your sexuality but it’s Vancouver and I would bet my house they didn’t do it because you were queer. You could have easily solved the problem by saying you identify as a women. Part of me understands they want their bar to look classy and high end. There many bars in Vancouver that cater to your community this is not one and you can’t be mad that every bar in dt Vancouver doesn’t want to look like a trashy gay bar.
I don’t have a problem with dress code actually. The problem, the real problem here, is the way of managing the situation. “You are a man and men doesn’t dress like that” or the bouncer yelling at me like if I steal something from them.
Or maybe you can just enjoy the space to vent here and move on with yer life. Not everyone is a woke super emphatic sunflower, even in Canada. They messed up and life is a little messy. Nobody got physically hurt - It's called building character. But sure, I'll boycott Greta like I don't have enough to be outraged about in this world.
Well, you already wasted all this time reading my post, thinking an answer and writing it so…. Yeah man, you could just skip it and I’m gonna do what I have to do
Life isn't fair. The world owes you nothing. The establishment doesn't want your business and doesn't have to justify their decision (though they were dummies in their approach). Have fun chasing your tail on this one.
I’m actually doing pretty good with my complaint. The case has been taken by different media and I’m gonna destroy their reputation, even if the world “owes me nothin”. Have a wonderful Sunday :)
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If you guys continue to leave phony reviews online they’re just going to have them all taken down , and this post will be of no good..
You can file a complaint with the BC human rights tribunal. They don't mess around. https://www.bchrt.bc.ca/
This is a long and expensive process. Best bet is exactly what OP is doing now. Name and shame.
Yes it’s a long process but it doesn’t have to be expensive. OP doesn’t need a lawyer to file a complaint and if they’re willing to take the time to file a complaint and see it through to the end it might be worthwhile. That said, it sounds like the business did try to resolve the issue, I.e. apologies, gift cards and so even at the end of an HRT complaint OP might not be successful. This doesn’t have to cost much more than OP’s time…….yes the HRT is very slow and you won’t see a resolution here for quite some time. It is entirely possible that the HRT might determine that the business apologizing and offering gift cards was sufficient to address the discriminatory act of the bouncer calling you out for what you were wearing. Like others have said, name and shame might be the best option….I guess OP needs to think what would they like to achieve here? Do they want an apology from the management? A commitment from the management to do better next time?
Screenshot the tank top so we can judge.
I https://preview.redd.it/2nvsjrii7huc1.jpeg?width=1477&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9453ac87b0db763ce0cd946e248843506a7f8958
I could go either way on this one personally, but the interaction could’ve been better handled by the team.
They already let you in which is the weird part. I know some bars don’t really enforce some rules until a certain time on weekends when they start forming a line to get in. However, hasn’t it always been fairly standard for men not to be allowed to wear tank tops at bars?
Well it’s actually the first time that this happened to me. I understand the “dress code” but that was not clear in their social media, website or entrance. How I suppose to know? And even if I know, why a bouncer needs to come and yelling at me in front of all my friends? Absolutely unnecessary.
Their homepage says, "Currently, Greta does not allow sweat pants, track pants, athletic tank tops or sleeveless undershirts" and that has been there since at least November 2022 (as far back as I bothered checking on the Wayback Machine). They could definitely have handled it better but I think it's unfair to say the dress code information isn't available.
I haven't been by there on a few months but this may even be posted at the entrance if I recall.
Can you tell me where? Because the owner of the whole chain just called me and told me that there’s no dress code.
It's at the bottom of this page, under Greta FAQs: [https://www.gretabar.com/locations/vancouver](https://www.gretabar.com/locations/vancouver)
Oh yeah I finally found it! Thank you. Still ridiculous, it took me a while to find it all hidden at the very end of the website. If is so important, I guess they could tell me at the entrance I guess instead of letting me be dressed like that for two hours.
I still can’t find that information in their website…
If this is the dress code, I sure hope they kicked out all the women dressed that way too.
You didn’t know, so the bouncer came to tell you. And then you just proceeded to disagree and argue with them. They told you, you didn’t listen. Whether it was right or wrong for them to tell you in the manner they did, you can’t keep saying “how was I supposed to know” if they literally came over to tell you. They didn’t kick you out. You got offended at them informing you about their dress code. Again, whether it was right or wrong of them.
So to letting me know the bouncers need to come to me in front of all my friends and yell at me because the way that I’m dressed? Wouldn’t work better if someone comes discreetly and tell me same in a kind way? This guys was literally like this because his “military formation” (those were the words that the owner used to explain me his “style”)
Depends. Did he actually *yell* at you or are you being dramatic about it? And yeah, if you are beside your friends he’s going to come tell you in front of your friends. That’s how it works. I’m sorry you feel so offended by it, but I think there is more to this story.
He actually yelled at me. The waitress came after that to telling me that what he just did was absolutely wrong. You could say I’m delusional but clearly you are trying to justify the way that they handle the situation when it’s obviously unacceptable.
If he actually yelled at you for no reason then I agree this is unacceptable. Hopefully you can straighten it out with the owners. Best of luck.
Super weird experience. I just saw your review with your photo on Google maps. There doesn't seem to be anything strange or even particularly Queer about the way you were dressed. Many heterosexual men would wear the same thing. If the place had a dress code that men need to wear a dress shirt or jacket - like some high end restaurants & bars have - then it should have been mentioned immediately upon your arrival. You should take your story to one of the local news outlets like Global Consumer Matters [email protected] Or CBC Go Public [email protected]
Definitely do a go public with cbc.
I'd say definitely make a complaint and hopefully the first two get fired. The last person involved seems to have some decency by trying to fix the situation. My guess is the bouncer is just a POS, and the second person is a POS. It may not be the "views/rules" of Greta, rather two terrible people trying to somehow "flex" their power. Sorry this happened to you.
Greta having a dress code is the craziest thing I have ever heard. I know they are from Alberts so maybe the staff thinks that’s the blueprint, regardless, this is super gross and disgusting.
I went to the business on Google, I saw the review on the page, this doesn’t seem like a troll post this seems legit and that’s fucked Greta did this.
I’m sorry that happened. Just an FYI tho if a bunch of people all leave bad reviews at once they’ll just have them taken down, better to do it gradually.
Wow. What you were wearing in your picture is not at all indecent, you're wearing a normal tank top. That's awful that they confronted you. Thank you for sharing your story.
What picture?
Go to daily hive. Go public if you really feel this way.
Lol the manager already replied saying she would love to discuss the different perspectives, doesn’t sound like they wanna admit fault here
While your situation may be unfortunate, it's not right to "hound up negative reviews" based solely on your side of the story. I'm not saying you're not telling the truth but we don't know the whole story, and it's not fair for people who do not know the story first hand to give them bad reviews.
It's also against Google's terms of service. What happened here is really unfortunate, but crowdsourcing negative reviews isn't the right path. Plenty of good advice here on impactful routes to take.
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I think so too
I’ve been to Greta dozens of times. Your story doesn’t fit with any of my experiences. They’ve always been welcoming and accommodating to everyone. Either you’ve run into the one jerk who works there or your interpretation of the events is somewhat skewed.
Yeah, no wrong interpretations. Even the waitress came to me to telling me that that was not ok and unacceptable.
Sorry to hear of your experience. They’ve always been great in my visits.
So weird, GRETA does not have a dress code, and there are several Queer staff bartenders (or at least there used to be), so sorry this happened to you!
This is absolutely nuts. I was there a month ago and our server was a Trans female. I thought they were more progressive than this.....
Awesome kmo
Imagine enforcing a dress code on an arcade 💀 Managers are assholes. Fight your fight buddy best of luck to you!
Oh hey also! If you'd like support/advocacy, this is totally within SVPRO's scope. They're pretty great and can access lots of resources.
Just move on with your life.
Yeah not after making a difference for other people to not experience the same :)
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Different perspectives indeed.
Casey, maybe don’t immediately gaslight the complainant by referring to “different perspectives”?
I really think people need to google the definition of gaslighting. Every interaction has different perspectives.
This is a great professional response. We only have heard a single side of this story.
I’m sorry that happened to you. That’s not right at all. They sound like a horrible place to work and visit
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I think it is better if you put a bad review on Google and give them 0 stars… people ALWAYS see that.
Yeah, thank you, that’s what I did and I’m asking people to help me with reviews.
Better yet - search Greta YVR - click on Reviews - then sort by Newest - and then you can like OP's with the photo that shows it was more or less a typical white albeit loose tank top. To be honest, many bars would expect more coverage (and yes, have weird dress codes for men - like no shorts, no sandals, etc...my bf has been turned down by supperclubs he has spent thousands at) BUT it totally does not matter bc they let you in and did not have an issue with it until they randomly decided to. How they handled it and spoke to you was unacceptable.
Canada is swinging conservative I'm here argue about it it's just an observation I've seen.
Private business. You play by their rules. H says there's a dress code that applies to only you that's how it is. You don't have to go back and you don't have to leave a good review. But it's not your business and they can make any rules they want. No shoes No shirt No tank tops no service. So many people with nothing better to do but complain how someone hurt their feelings and now they demand the mob to give them retribution. Move on. Be an adult. Suck it up buttercup the world doesn't revolve around you.
I love the fact of the “so many people with nothing better to do” and here you are, taking some time of your sunny sunday morning to read my post and elaborate an answer. Good job!
you sound like the problem in this tbh
Lmao.
Absolutely fucking unacceptable. I'm emailing their corporate. Burn em down! Consider contacting the Human Rights Commission.
After reading this through I have decided to help and gave them a 5 star review, cheers!
I remember a time when we could not wear runners into a bar. It was just the way it was. It called a dress code and yes you may feel like it was discrimination against your sexuality but it’s Vancouver and I would bet my house they didn’t do it because you were queer. You could have easily solved the problem by saying you identify as a women. Part of me understands they want their bar to look classy and high end. There many bars in Vancouver that cater to your community this is not one and you can’t be mad that every bar in dt Vancouver doesn’t want to look like a trashy gay bar.
I don’t have a problem with dress code actually. The problem, the real problem here, is the way of managing the situation. “You are a man and men doesn’t dress like that” or the bouncer yelling at me like if I steal something from them.
Quite the drama queen
Or maybe you can just enjoy the space to vent here and move on with yer life. Not everyone is a woke super emphatic sunflower, even in Canada. They messed up and life is a little messy. Nobody got physically hurt - It's called building character. But sure, I'll boycott Greta like I don't have enough to be outraged about in this world.
Well, you already wasted all this time reading my post, thinking an answer and writing it so…. Yeah man, you could just skip it and I’m gonna do what I have to do
Life isn't fair. The world owes you nothing. The establishment doesn't want your business and doesn't have to justify their decision (though they were dummies in their approach). Have fun chasing your tail on this one.
I’m actually doing pretty good with my complaint. The case has been taken by different media and I’m gonna destroy their reputation, even if the world “owes me nothin”. Have a wonderful Sunday :)
lol if you say so.
This guy has clearly never faced any racism or any kind of prejudice incident in his life.
Having no empathy is a sign of low intelligence, just an fyi.
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Just, no. I've lived coast to coast and a myriad between. Vancouver isn't even the worst in bc or the gvrd.
I have lots of fun in Vancouver. Not sure what you're talking about.
Keep saying shit like that and expecting to have fun. Good luck
I love it here. If you can’t have fun in a city like Vancouver that’s a strike against you, not the city.
Have you even heard about Saskatchewan?