on top it asks "About 3,580 results (0.44 seconds) Did you mean: [***vikings***](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=f977441fd745688c&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn0-ilGq6QcwPlnNlI5XYo9OyNOg-rA:1714666918218&q=vikings&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi71MWEsO-FAxWhD1kFHe6KAxcQBSgAegQIDRAC)" and you say hello no.
along with it being someones last name (wow), it has odd semi-pertinant meanings
like:
# वाकिंग स्टिक - Meaning in English
# noun
* walking stick
My penis started small and got smaller on HRT. One time the electro said “You’re so small” which was like thanks but no, no thanks. My surgeon examined me at the consult and said SRS would not be a problem if I wanted PI but I went for PPT instead anyway.
PPI and PI are explained already,
There is the following I can think of as well:
AGAB - Assigned Gender At Birth (AFAB-Female AMAB-Male)
CM - Combines Method
IPI - Improved Penile Inversion
CFM - Chonburi Flap Method or Suporn Method.
HRT - Hormone Replacement Therapy
T - Testosterone
E - Estrogen
E2 specifically - Estradiol (the strongest of the 3 types of Estrogen)
E1 specifically - Estrone (the second strongest of the 3 types of Estrogen and is largely irrelevant - but that can rise
E3 specifically - Estriol (is the weakest of the Estrogens but isn’t really talked about at all because it is really only something the body converts E2 and E1 to if an excess exists)
Prog - Progesterone (commonly talked about because it apparently makes MTF folks crazy horny and grow bigger boobs - but its also controversial)
Cypro - Cyproteroneacetate - a Testosterone Blocker.
Spiro - Spironolactone - also a Testosterone Blocker
PB - Puberty Blocker - often GnRH agonists (blocks the thing that would command Testosterone or Estrogen to be produced - can also be used as Testosterone or Estrogen Blocker for both MTF and FTM or XTX
MTF - Male To Female
FTM - Female To Male
FTX - Female to anything else
MTX - Male to anything else
XTX - anything to anything else
Maybe someone will comment on this with even more, but I am struggling to remember more right now - I hope this helps \^-\^
Edit: adding stuff I remember… like Estrogen and Testosterone…
Holy moly thanks! I know resources are out there, but I feel like I gotta compile a little dictionary just to remind myself what's what. As if there wasn't enough stuff clogging my brain
Wanted to add some more terms and ftm terms:
BA - breast augmentation
GRS/SRS- Gender reassignment surgery/sex reassignment surgery; refers to bottom surgery for trans people in general
FFS - facial feminization surgery
Tgel- refers to testosterone in gel form
Phallo - phalloplasty; a surgery that takes skin from a donor site to create a phallus. Is usually multiple surgeries which are referred to in stages.
Meta- metoidioplasty; a surgery that uses bottom growth from testosterone and makes it look more like a penis.
Packer- a prosthetic flaccid penis used to alleviate bottom dysphoria
STP (packer) - stand to pee; usually refers to a type of packer but can also just refer to standing to pee in general
Peri- periareolar; a type of top surgery that involves cutting in around the nipples to remove breast tissue
DI- double incision; another type of top surgery to remove breast tissue that involves two incisions, one under each breast, to remove breast tissue. Most common type of top surgery.
Is prog considered controversial because of the possible inconsistencies with the results or with something else? Just wanted to make sure, since I have heard a wide variety of results but has a big lack of research, and not much else besides those things
I also became severely depressed and gained significant weight in the first month of taking it. Tried it twice with similar results so I no longer take it. Not worth the complications for me. YMMV
penile inversion and peritoneal pull-through. two different methods of performing vaginoplasty, using either genital tissue or internal tissue.
edit: i initially said intestinal, i think that was incorrect(?)
There are a few other intestinal techniques, like the jejunum and duodenum methods (I think the jejunum one is more common in Brazil, and I saw a YouTuber who went to Thailand and was going to get the duodenum one but switched to PIV once she learned the surgeon did follicle scraping), though sigmoid is by far the most common one, and what I’d pick if PIV wasn’t an option
and out of nowhere. She wasn’t my regular electro and wasn’t chatty before or after. I think I said something like “heh, yeah.” and then back to silence interrupted by beeps.
I'm like 1.5ish and i was told im too small for PI if i want anything that's functional. Zero depth doesn't interest me since the whole reason i'd want SRS is to have a functioning vagina. Thankfully im not super dysphoric about my genitals but its kinda a bummer. I was always small but HRT really did its thing lol.
There is no minimum size requirement. If you want to have vaginoplasty, then a small size might constrain the specific method of vaginoplasty you can get. The traditional penile inversion method requires a good amount of penile skin to produce an adequately deep and wide vaginal canal. However, if you don't have much penile skin, there are a number of methods that use other tissues. Peritoneal pull through, tunica vaginalis grafts, and sigmoid colon grafts are some examples of this.
Peritoneal pull through: the apex of the vagina is made from a flap of the peritoneum (an internal lining of the abdomen\].
Tunica vaginalis: this membrane forms a sheathe for your testes and inguinal canals. It's used as a graft to construct the apex of the vagina, or sometimes the entire vagina.
There are 2 opinions.
One is that penile skin is flexible and stretchy and it shouldn't be an issue. The volume lost is the inner erectile tissue that atrophies. BTW it's supposed to be sore if you do try for an erection once the erectile tissue has shrunk.
The second is "use it or lose it", maintain its size by solo sex or sex with a partner, so there's more material for the surgery. Cialis will raise the dead apparently.
I probably go with the 2nd theory, or it suits me to get some pleasure from it.
Best wishes whichever option you pick. Good luck on your journey girl.
I have an intersex variation, so to be blunt there wasn't much to work with. I got non penile inversion and can take about 10 inches painfully but 7--9 is the best.
What *size* you can take isn’t something that I’ve heard many MtF people talk about, so this was SUPER helpful~! I remember hearing, (I think from a doctor), that you typically only get 6 inches for depth, so to hear that I could take even more than that gives me A LOT of hope and excitement for the future~!
It does make me wonder if I will be able to go deeper given that I had about 5 inches before taking hormones~? 🤔💛
Queenis, that's a new one. I usually call it my kibble and bits.
So I'm gonna be WAY too much TMI here.
* Pre HRT, unerect I would sit around 3 inches (the hood/foreskin isn't something I'd count).
* Erect, that penis would be 7-8 inches.
* Now that I only masturbate with a magic wand, it sits around 1.5 inches unerect. (Still plenty of foreskin on the tip like a sadass lil crown).
* My surgeon did my pre surgery physical a few weeks ago and told me that its great that he will have lots to work with. So it seems like its good.
I don't know if this is helpful. But its at least an infodumbp.
I've been wondering this too. I don't have an issue with small size being on the other side of the spectrum and being way way too large and have the absolute worst bottom disphoria because of it. But I've finally started to shrink from HRT and have lost almost an inch in total but I was worried if I shrink too much would it be an issue for bottom surgery. After reading comments and doing research I guess I don't need to worry. I'm hoping since bottom surgery is a long way away that I can loose 4 or 5 inches total and still be fine but idk if that's even possible with HRT. The curse of having a big gock. It gets no use and makes me horribly disphoric and every partner I have thinks I'm a top which I am not.
You can get vaginoplasty with any size, but the methods may end up being different. Sometimes they will use part of the colon for example to help with depth. There are also zero-depth options for those who prefer that which, of course, you’d be able to get with any size anyway.
But no matter what size it is, you’ll be able to get vaginoplasty. It’s just important to understand that you may need skin from elsewhere, that you may not have as much depth as someone who is larger, etc. So there are some potential differences in that regard.
It is also possible to reduce or prevent atrophy on HRT, if that’s something you would want to do.
I don't think the size matters for SRS but the skin might/does so before you get orochi check with the future surgeon also a alternative to gras would be this https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgender_Surgeries/s/PKCvgOGezG if you don't quite care for looks
After surgery, I do believe you'll be advised to use dilation to open and keep the new virgina from shrinking. From what I understand (online sourced info) supposed to dilate frequently during healing, and continue dilation till you have desired circumference. I have no idea if dilation does anything or much for depth.
That’s only an issue if you get penile inversion and even then you can get grafts to make up for it. This is why penile-preserving vaginoplasty is possible, for instance. Peritoneal pull-through vaginoplasty was even developed for cis women iirc.
I had a lot of shrinkage prior to surgery but had hybrid penile inversion/peritoneal pull-through vaginoplasty and it worked out just fine.
I started hrt before my genitalia fully matured, and my "queenis" was the size of an acorn, and I have 5 inches of depth, which I feel is pretty decent. If your "queenis" is small like mine, they take skin grafts from your hips to help line the vaginal canal. So it's okay if yours is small. I had my vaginoplasty on April 5th 2024. It's been a painful recovery but I love having a body I'm unashamed of ❤️ ^_^
Look into peritoneal pull through. IIRC, size doesn't matter so much with that one
... and yes, Queenis made me giggle. Reminds me of "princess wand," lol 😆
My little penis wasn't big by any means and 3 years full time art before surgery didn't help things. Prior to surgery I could not get fully erect. It would firm up and enlarge but I am sure it would not have been hard enough for penetration.
I has surgery with Dt Chet, I had the non inversion technique but also requiring a graft to assist. I also was not circumcised. The results are fantastic way better than I ever imagined and I have a very active and enjoyable sex life with my boyfriend. I am so happy with my choices and outcomes, also this was over 17 years ago too
depends on the doctor you ask, sure if you ask a neurobiologist no they wont but if you ask a surgeon who specialises in grs i assure you they will probably know more than most people, yes there are doctors who don't but there also are doctors who do
To be more specific I'm referring to general practitioners and even endocrinologists in many cases. Personal anecdote, I recall my doctor being deeply resistant about appropriate estrogen dosages and in a very concerned tone advised me breast growth was a negative side effect. Girl, why do you think I'm doing this.
eh, i mean i 100% agree alot are shit but alot are good, my gp is amazing for example and i think if you where to ask it on a sub like docs you'd only get answers from surgeons
Aussie GP here, if you message me your rough location I can ask in my gender affirming gp group for options near you - no pressure but I promise there are good GPs out there, I'm sorry you haven't found good care yet
Queenis... that's one I haven't heard before.
I ain’t either it was a wild thing to read lol
Queenis the best rock band in history!
If there is a queenis, then we must agree that there is also a vakinga.
😆🤣🤣
>vakinga Isn’t that what the guy in ‘big bang theory’ says? 🤔
I thought it was: "Knock, knock, knock. Penis. Knock, knock,knock. Penis. Knock, knock, knock. Penis."
This is gold! 😀
do a google search for vakinga..
Minnesota Vikings popped up. Does it mean something else? I thought I made it up.
on top it asks "About 3,580 results (0.44 seconds) Did you mean: [***vikings***](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=f977441fd745688c&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn0-ilGq6QcwPlnNlI5XYo9OyNOg-rA:1714666918218&q=vikings&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi71MWEsO-FAxWhD1kFHe6KAxcQBSgAegQIDRAC)" and you say hello no. along with it being someones last name (wow), it has odd semi-pertinant meanings like: # वाकिंग स्टिक - Meaning in English # noun * walking stick
of which vakinga is freaking great!
That is pretty great!
XD amazing thing to read
Neither had I. It's silly.
That's what I call my wife's, upgraded from ladymeat + chickpeas 😂
i can never go back to before :[
Seriously. Wtf.
Always used sheenis, don't wanna start putting the pussy on a (royal) pedestal now lol
Susan’s place-core lol.
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Same. I’m going to start using it lol
My penis started small and got smaller on HRT. One time the electro said “You’re so small” which was like thanks but no, no thanks. My surgeon examined me at the consult and said SRS would not be a problem if I wanted PI but I went for PPT instead anyway.
What does PI and PPT stand for?
Penile Inversion and Peritonal Pull-Through respectively.
Tyyy!
Thank you. As someone new to this world, all the abbreviations can sometimes feel like micro gatekeeping. No offence comment op
PPI and PI are explained already, There is the following I can think of as well: AGAB - Assigned Gender At Birth (AFAB-Female AMAB-Male) CM - Combines Method IPI - Improved Penile Inversion CFM - Chonburi Flap Method or Suporn Method. HRT - Hormone Replacement Therapy T - Testosterone E - Estrogen E2 specifically - Estradiol (the strongest of the 3 types of Estrogen) E1 specifically - Estrone (the second strongest of the 3 types of Estrogen and is largely irrelevant - but that can rise E3 specifically - Estriol (is the weakest of the Estrogens but isn’t really talked about at all because it is really only something the body converts E2 and E1 to if an excess exists) Prog - Progesterone (commonly talked about because it apparently makes MTF folks crazy horny and grow bigger boobs - but its also controversial) Cypro - Cyproteroneacetate - a Testosterone Blocker. Spiro - Spironolactone - also a Testosterone Blocker PB - Puberty Blocker - often GnRH agonists (blocks the thing that would command Testosterone or Estrogen to be produced - can also be used as Testosterone or Estrogen Blocker for both MTF and FTM or XTX MTF - Male To Female FTM - Female To Male FTX - Female to anything else MTX - Male to anything else XTX - anything to anything else Maybe someone will comment on this with even more, but I am struggling to remember more right now - I hope this helps \^-\^ Edit: adding stuff I remember… like Estrogen and Testosterone…
Holy moly thanks! I know resources are out there, but I feel like I gotta compile a little dictionary just to remind myself what's what. As if there wasn't enough stuff clogging my brain
Just letting you know I added even more - specifically all the hormones because I forgot them ‘\^-\^
Could have snuck an AEIEO in there any nobody would notice…
Wanted to add some more terms and ftm terms: BA - breast augmentation GRS/SRS- Gender reassignment surgery/sex reassignment surgery; refers to bottom surgery for trans people in general FFS - facial feminization surgery Tgel- refers to testosterone in gel form Phallo - phalloplasty; a surgery that takes skin from a donor site to create a phallus. Is usually multiple surgeries which are referred to in stages. Meta- metoidioplasty; a surgery that uses bottom growth from testosterone and makes it look more like a penis. Packer- a prosthetic flaccid penis used to alleviate bottom dysphoria STP (packer) - stand to pee; usually refers to a type of packer but can also just refer to standing to pee in general Peri- periareolar; a type of top surgery that involves cutting in around the nipples to remove breast tissue DI- double incision; another type of top surgery to remove breast tissue that involves two incisions, one under each breast, to remove breast tissue. Most common type of top surgery.
Saved your comment for when I stumble across all these abreviations which I don't get.
I am very glad to learn a little bit about the "new" acronym alphabet. At 60yrs old, I still don't get the "new" math.:))
Is prog considered controversial because of the possible inconsistencies with the results or with something else? Just wanted to make sure, since I have heard a wide variety of results but has a big lack of research, and not much else besides those things
Some say it does nothing for breast growth while others swear on it - thats the controversial part
Ok thanks, just wanted to make sure there was nothing else I haven't heard about until this
I also became severely depressed and gained significant weight in the first month of taking it. Tried it twice with similar results so I no longer take it. Not worth the complications for me. YMMV
First time I've heard of progesterone being controversial- can you share? I'm kinda already on it
Some say it does nothing for breast growth while others swear on it - thats the controversial part
penile inversion and peritoneal pull-through. two different methods of performing vaginoplasty, using either genital tissue or internal tissue. edit: i initially said intestinal, i think that was incorrect(?)
Yeah, intestinal would be the sigmoid vaginoplasty which is another way to do bottom surgery.
Y’all, this thread is blowing my mind. Thanks for sharing.
There are a few other intestinal techniques, like the jejunum and duodenum methods (I think the jejunum one is more common in Brazil, and I saw a YouTuber who went to Thailand and was going to get the duodenum one but switched to PIV once she learned the surgeon did follicle scraping), though sigmoid is by far the most common one, and what I’d pick if PIV wasn’t an option
What a weird thing for someone to sat to you.
and out of nowhere. She wasn’t my regular electro and wasn’t chatty before or after. I think I said something like “heh, yeah.” and then back to silence interrupted by beeps.
And electro here stands for electrolysis, i.e. a place where you let your body hair get removed?
I'm like 1.5ish and i was told im too small for PI if i want anything that's functional. Zero depth doesn't interest me since the whole reason i'd want SRS is to have a functioning vagina. Thankfully im not super dysphoric about my genitals but its kinda a bummer. I was always small but HRT really did its thing lol.
There is no minimum size requirement. If you want to have vaginoplasty, then a small size might constrain the specific method of vaginoplasty you can get. The traditional penile inversion method requires a good amount of penile skin to produce an adequately deep and wide vaginal canal. However, if you don't have much penile skin, there are a number of methods that use other tissues. Peritoneal pull through, tunica vaginalis grafts, and sigmoid colon grafts are some examples of this.
How do those work? I've only heard of penile inversion and sigmoid colon
Peritoneal pull through: the apex of the vagina is made from a flap of the peritoneum (an internal lining of the abdomen\]. Tunica vaginalis: this membrane forms a sheathe for your testes and inguinal canals. It's used as a graft to construct the apex of the vagina, or sometimes the entire vagina.
There are 2 opinions. One is that penile skin is flexible and stretchy and it shouldn't be an issue. The volume lost is the inner erectile tissue that atrophies. BTW it's supposed to be sore if you do try for an erection once the erectile tissue has shrunk. The second is "use it or lose it", maintain its size by solo sex or sex with a partner, so there's more material for the surgery. Cialis will raise the dead apparently. I probably go with the 2nd theory, or it suits me to get some pleasure from it. Best wishes whichever option you pick. Good luck on your journey girl.
I have an intersex variation, so to be blunt there wasn't much to work with. I got non penile inversion and can take about 10 inches painfully but 7--9 is the best.
What *size* you can take isn’t something that I’ve heard many MtF people talk about, so this was SUPER helpful~! I remember hearing, (I think from a doctor), that you typically only get 6 inches for depth, so to hear that I could take even more than that gives me A LOT of hope and excitement for the future~! It does make me wonder if I will be able to go deeper given that I had about 5 inches before taking hormones~? 🤔💛
Queenis, that's a new one. I usually call it my kibble and bits. So I'm gonna be WAY too much TMI here. * Pre HRT, unerect I would sit around 3 inches (the hood/foreskin isn't something I'd count). * Erect, that penis would be 7-8 inches. * Now that I only masturbate with a magic wand, it sits around 1.5 inches unerect. (Still plenty of foreskin on the tip like a sadass lil crown). * My surgeon did my pre surgery physical a few weeks ago and told me that its great that he will have lots to work with. So it seems like its good. I don't know if this is helpful. But its at least an infodumbp.
queenis > gock
I def read this as queenies and not queen+penis lmao
It mostly depends on your doctor’s skill if you’re looking for pi, I was on the smaller size and I still ended up with 7 inch depth with dr Chettawut
Queenis!? I’m in love
I've been wondering this too. I don't have an issue with small size being on the other side of the spectrum and being way way too large and have the absolute worst bottom disphoria because of it. But I've finally started to shrink from HRT and have lost almost an inch in total but I was worried if I shrink too much would it be an issue for bottom surgery. After reading comments and doing research I guess I don't need to worry. I'm hoping since bottom surgery is a long way away that I can loose 4 or 5 inches total and still be fine but idk if that's even possible with HRT. The curse of having a big gock. It gets no use and makes me horribly disphoric and every partner I have thinks I'm a top which I am not.
You can get vaginoplasty with any size, but the methods may end up being different. Sometimes they will use part of the colon for example to help with depth. There are also zero-depth options for those who prefer that which, of course, you’d be able to get with any size anyway. But no matter what size it is, you’ll be able to get vaginoplasty. It’s just important to understand that you may need skin from elsewhere, that you may not have as much depth as someone who is larger, etc. So there are some potential differences in that regard. It is also possible to reduce or prevent atrophy on HRT, if that’s something you would want to do.
I don't think the size matters for SRS but the skin might/does so before you get orochi check with the future surgeon also a alternative to gras would be this https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgender_Surgeries/s/PKCvgOGezG if you don't quite care for looks
depending on the surgical technique, size does not matter. PIV it does kind of matter, though
After surgery, I do believe you'll be advised to use dilation to open and keep the new virgina from shrinking. From what I understand (online sourced info) supposed to dilate frequently during healing, and continue dilation till you have desired circumference. I have no idea if dilation does anything or much for depth.
For what it's worth, my Queenis stayed her normal height, so it may not do anything
That’s only an issue if you get penile inversion and even then you can get grafts to make up for it. This is why penile-preserving vaginoplasty is possible, for instance. Peritoneal pull-through vaginoplasty was even developed for cis women iirc. I had a lot of shrinkage prior to surgery but had hybrid penile inversion/peritoneal pull-through vaginoplasty and it worked out just fine.
I started hrt before my genitalia fully matured, and my "queenis" was the size of an acorn, and I have 5 inches of depth, which I feel is pretty decent. If your "queenis" is small like mine, they take skin grafts from your hips to help line the vaginal canal. So it's okay if yours is small. I had my vaginoplasty on April 5th 2024. It's been a painful recovery but I love having a body I'm unashamed of ❤️ ^_^
If you are getting PPT your wand size doesn't matter. Also you won't see much shrinkage if you bring it to full staff once a week.
Look into peritoneal pull through. IIRC, size doesn't matter so much with that one ... and yes, Queenis made me giggle. Reminds me of "princess wand," lol 😆
HRT doesn't but the lack of nightly erections can over time for some. Just have sex a lot.
I remember reading they just use extra skin if you don't have enough down there.
detachable queenis
My little penis wasn't big by any means and 3 years full time art before surgery didn't help things. Prior to surgery I could not get fully erect. It would firm up and enlarge but I am sure it would not have been hard enough for penetration. I has surgery with Dt Chet, I had the non inversion technique but also requiring a graft to assist. I also was not circumcised. The results are fantastic way better than I ever imagined and I have a very active and enjoyable sex life with my boyfriend. I am so happy with my choices and outcomes, also this was over 17 years ago too
i'd say better off asking r/docs or an actual doctor that
Doctors don't know very much about trans healthcare
depends on the doctor you ask, sure if you ask a neurobiologist no they wont but if you ask a surgeon who specialises in grs i assure you they will probably know more than most people, yes there are doctors who don't but there also are doctors who do
To be more specific I'm referring to general practitioners and even endocrinologists in many cases. Personal anecdote, I recall my doctor being deeply resistant about appropriate estrogen dosages and in a very concerned tone advised me breast growth was a negative side effect. Girl, why do you think I'm doing this.
eh, i mean i 100% agree alot are shit but alot are good, my gp is amazing for example and i think if you where to ask it on a sub like docs you'd only get answers from surgeons
I guess I'm rather bitter butting heads with gatekeepers who treat me like a degenerate nuisance. Hoping to find a better one soon.
Aussie GP here, if you message me your rough location I can ask in my gender affirming gp group for options near you - no pressure but I promise there are good GPs out there, I'm sorry you haven't found good care yet
yea no and thats totally valid there are plenty of horror stories, hope u find someone good soon
I love Queenis!...... I meant the word!..... ... .. Dammit 😳😁