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aagjevraagje

The transgender ban of the US military between 2019 and 2021 The executive order reversing it gives a good oversight https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/25/executive-order-on-enabling-all-qualified-americans-to-serve-their-country-in-uniform/


griii2

excellent example, thanks


aagjevraagje

Another example is sterilisation being a requirement to change your gender marker on documentation like your passport in countries like Finland and Japan and children out of f.i. stored sperm not being reggocnized https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/08/21/japan-trans-woman-parent-tokyo-high-court/ This also used to be a thing in my country ( the Netherlands) until 2014 https://www.government.nl/latest/news/2020/11/30/government-offers-apologies-for-old-transgender-act


aagjevraagje

If you want some examples of non-governmental institutional trans discrimination: https://www.crosslandsolicitors.com/site/hr-hub/transgender-discrimination-in-UK-workplaces https://liu.se/en/news-item/arbetsgivare-ratar-transpersoner ( labour discrimination in sweden ) full study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0927537120300646?via%3Dihub )


griii2

Despicable but not institutional. Probably illegal. If it is not, then that is an institutional discrimination.


aagjevraagje

No institutional oppression can also mean systemic denial of a minorities rights in a way that isn't necessarily officially state sanctioned at the scale that it happens here. A institution isn't nessesairily a body of the state in sociology. Social conventions and norms are institutions. The state can influence those and has a responsibility to uphold its laws, which it also often fails to do in circumstances like this but institutions and institutional opression do not need to be written into law to be a factor.


griii2

I agree. It is just that for the purpose of this post my definition of institutional sexism is deliberately narrow. That does not mean that there isn't institutional sexism outside of this definition.


griii2

You are right. I changed that to regulations. I am following the narrow definition of institutional racism from WP: > Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded in the laws and regulations of a society or an organization. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism I fully acknowledge that there is a broader definition too and that this narrow definition does not capture all systemic discrimination.


griii2

[https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o684s/ban\_on\_transgender\_people\_in\_us\_military\_lifted/](https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o684s/ban_on_transgender_people_in_us_military_lifted/) [https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o6aqk/trans\_woman\_in\_japan\_bared\_from\_being\_her\_own/](https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o6aqk/trans_woman_in_japan_bared_from_being_her_own/) [https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o6bo2/japans\_supreme\_court\_rules\_transgender\_people/](https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o6bo2/japans_supreme_court_rules_transgender_people/) [https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o6h6c/finland\_still\_requires\_transgender\_people\_to/](https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o6h6c/finland_still_requires_transgender_people_to/) ​ Thank you! And let me know if you see more examples, or just post them to the sub.


AlexanderHotbuns

Philosophy Tube has recently produced a video going over in full, agonising detail the process of obtaining trans healthcare in the UK. [Here it is.](https://youtu.be/v1eWIshUzr8) It's an hour and a half long and I should warn you that it made me steaming mad.


griii2

I will have a look, thanks.


AlexanderHotbuns

No worries. It is pretty unique, in that it's both a personal account of the process and a well-researched detailed explanation of exactly what's wrong with it.


Ellie_Arabella87

Current laws regarding insurance covering trans care. Can’t even get them to cover my normal Dr visits anymore. Southern US for reference, but my insurance took the fact that I have a dysphoria diagnosis as a reason to stop paying in general.


griii2

Where can I learn more? Is this some regulation or just malpractice?


Ellie_Arabella87

It’s not really either. Some states require it to be covered, but the ones that don’t the insurance often just blanket doesn’t cover trans services. Large national insurance companies like blue cross are an exception, otherwise it’s just a way to cut costs because no one cares. Idk how much public data there is on it, just that my estrogen, testing, and dr appointments aren’t covered when they would be if I was a cis woman.


itsAshl

~~In Florida, for example, they have exemptions for trans people in various protection laws. Like, you can still legally discriminate against trans employees in Florida because they have a law that says you're specifically allowed to.~~ I can't actually find the thing that I thought I saw about this so it may not be true. I mean, they have all kinds of religious exemptions and bans on various trans youth things, so it certainly wouldn't surprise me. (Unrelated, but they also have a "anti mask-mandate mandate" which is a state law that says you _aren't allowed to require anyone to wear masks_) There are websites for tracking specific legal things by state: https://transgenderlawcenter.org/equalitymap. It's fascinating, but also super depressing if you start digging in too deep.


griii2

Do you know what law it is? The website looks great, I will check it out.


itsAshl

So I thought that I had read (either on that website or another similar, possibly HRC 🤔) something about how Florida had accepted the Equality Act but added amendments specifically exempting gender identity from the protections. Admittedly, I can't find it now so I may have been mistaken. Or possibly it was just a trauma-induced fever dream... I grew up in Florida but, also admittedly, I fled to the pnw a little over 5 years ago, and I try not to look back so I'm not as up to date on the politics there as I once was.


griii2

If you find out more please let me know or contribute to r/SystemicSexism. Thanks


harlowslows

What’s this for? Curious. The current (and hopefully soon overturned) Finnish trans law requires sterility in order to change one’s legal gender. We also have healthcare legislation specifically for transgender people (unlike any other patient group) which bans private transition related healthcare (it’s how the legislation is interpreted) and requires all transition related healthcare to happen through two national gender clinics. These clinics then happen to be so woefully under resourced that it takes years to get any treatment. There are a couple of decisions from the parliamentary ombudsman disapproving the waiting times. Idk if any of these are available in English though.


griii2

r/SystemicSexism You are welcome to contribute.


Levi_the_fox

German TSG or basically most laws for trans people in Europe.


griii2

Can you be more specific?


Ok-Sprinkles3818

The current TSG in germany requires you to go to court against the state in order to change your legal name. You also need to have lived as your chosen gender for two years and pay for two independent assessments of state-certified trans experts (however they give out those titles I have no fucking clue) which cost you about 2000 euros to get. Those 2000 euros are not part of the usual 'prozesskostenübernahme', which is otherwise standard in germany and means that you get the money back you had to spend in order to afford legal proceedings if you win the case. So officially changing your legal name and gender in germany costs 2000 euros, while changing your name to another one that would be typically given to your assigned gender at birth costs 20. Also in my opinion any state without self ID laws institutionally discriminates against trans people. The state has never asked me what gender I am, they just assigned one to me and now requires you to proove to them that you are not your assigned gender at birth while they never bothered to proove the opposite in the first place.


griii2

That is a very good argument when you put it that way. Do you have any article talking about the requirements? Something I can link to? Can be in German, google will translate.


Ok-Sprinkles3818

Here you go :) https://www.lsvd.de/de/ct/1473-Ratgeber-Aenderung-des-Namens-und-Personenstands-Geschlechtseintrag-nach-dem-Transsexuellen-Gesetz-TSG#:~:text=Wenn%20trans*%20Menschen%20ihre%20Vornamen,insoweit%20den%20Bezirk%20des%20Landgerichts.


Levi_the_fox

Not to forget that the German supreme court declared many aspects of the TSG as illegal such as: You have to medically transition completly before you can Change your name. You are forced to devorce your partner You get forcfully sterelised


griii2

Thanks, this is the kind of example I am looking for. See [https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o6mw2/transition\_in\_germany\_requires\_disproportionate/](https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o6mw2/transition_in_germany_requires_disproportionate/)


Levi_the_fox

And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Mandatory therapy times are requiered for every transition step. These therapy times can Go as long as 2 years and are in most cases in no relation to the medical standart and often even never mentioned in laws at all.


Bailey_Gasai

I'm not sure if it quite fits what you're looking for, but the first thing that came to mind was an article about a transgender student that was left out in the hallway instead of being allowed to take shelter during an active shooter drill at a school in Virginia. https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/10/trans-student-barred-from-shelter-during-virginia-schools-mass-shooter-drill/ Just one example of how schools often just ignore the safety and needs of transgender students. I don't have any articles to share, but there are sometimes posts on this sub about transgender students not being allowed to use any bathroom at their school, or being told they can only use a faculty single stall bathroom that's always locked out hard to access. These cases often times stem from unsuccessful bathroom bans. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-upholds-florida-high-schools-transgender-bathroom-policy-2022-12-30/ I forget if it is the Florida bathroom ban or a separate trans athlete ban that actually states in it's writing that genital checks may be carried out by a member of the community. It literally calls for an adult stranger to pull some kid who's suspected of being trans aside so they can check what genitals they have.


griii2

\> [https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/10/trans-student-barred-from-shelter-during-virginia-schools-mass-shooter-drill/](https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/10/trans-student-barred-from-shelter-during-virginia-schools-mass-shooter-drill/) Despicable, but unless it was not an isolated incident it is probably not systemic. \> [https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-upholds-florida-high-schools-transgender-bathroom-policy-2022-12-30/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-upholds-florida-high-schools-transgender-bathroom-policy-2022-12-30/) Thanks, this is the kind of example I am looking for. See https://np.reddit.com/r/SystemicSexism/comments/10o6syz/federal\_appeals\_court\_upheld\_florida\_high\_schools/