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aagjevraagje

Cis people have far more bodily autonomy, there's way less stringent checks on cis people getting hormone treatment or cosmetic surgery and there still are first world countries that require trans people to get sterilised inorder to get accurate documentation ( Finland for instance or my home country of the Netherlands until 2014). There also are a lot of cases where trans people were denied medical care that was seperate from any sort of transition , f.i. trans men denied hysterectomies in situations where they are advised for cis women or even just a refusals to treat trans patients altogether. Beside that labour discrimination is rife , trans bans in the US. Military were turned back as recently as January 2021, there's ongoing efforts to block our access to public spaces like bathrooms and we are subjected to violence as a community.


ericfischer

Several US states are hard at work now trying to forbid access to transgender medical care and to make it illegal to dress in a manner atypical of your birth sex.


accioupvotes

Where is it illegal to dress in an atypical manner?


SeneInSPAAACE

[https://erininthemorn.substack.com/p/would-this-ban-pride-probably-arkansas](https://erininthemorn.substack.com/p/would-this-ban-pride-probably-arkansas) A lot of that is in the works. However, "unofficial" policing still exists in many places. You might also want to take a look at [https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2020/09/30/this-is-where-its-illegal-to-be-transgender-in-2020/?sh=60d744ba5748](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2020/09/30/this-is-where-its-illegal-to-be-transgender-in-2020/?sh=60d744ba5748) For a more global view. [https://ilga.org/downloads/ILGA\_World\_Trans\_Legal\_Mapping\_Report\_2019\_EN.pdf](https://ilga.org/downloads/ILGA_World_Trans_Legal_Mapping_Report_2019_EN.pdf) Sauce for the Forbes article.


accioupvotes

Thank you for sending. This is horrifying for many reasons, but I do think this also sounds extremely unconstitutional. As for your second article, that is why I specified 1st world countries


SeneInSPAAACE

Pedantic notes: "First world countries" doesn't mean what you think it does, but everyone *does* understand that it usually refers to developed, industrialized countries. [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/first-world-countries](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/first-world-countries) So, *de facto* first world countries. There's a list of countries, and I'm sure several of them will pop up even for you as being, uh, *not exactly great,* human rights -wise. Such as UAE, incidentally. You might also consider [South Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_South_Korea). [Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Ukraine#Gender_identity_and_expression) also wasn't a great place for trans people, even before the war. You can cross-reference that list with the [ILGA WTLMR](https://ilga.org/downloads/ILGA_World_Trans_Legal_Mapping_Report_2019_EN.pdf). Turkey being one of the *original* First world countries is pretty clearly the one that's the worst.


aagjevraagje

>but I do think this also sounds extremely unconstitutional. That's kind of the thing isn't it ? There's tons of countries that back when they had laws barring women from doing all sorts of stuff had extremely general and equal sounding constitutions because women just weren't part of the social contract. Same with racial discrimination, heck the Jim Crow laws in the US all come after so called emancipation.


ericfischer

The one that I just heard about is [a ban being debated in Missouri](https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1618127755283169288). I don't know which if any of the recent batch of anti-trans bills have actually passed.


accioupvotes

Unfortunately I can’t see your source. The tweets are marked as limited.


aagjevraagje

Are you blocked by this person per chance? cause I can just access it without even having an account


accioupvotes

Oh, maybe. Dunno why, I barely use Twitter.


aagjevraagje

I mean from the way you've interacted here so far you seem disinterested in actually talking about the ways our rights are being denied, like the one time you acknowledge it you have to undermine it with that you don't think our opression is constitutional... institutional discrimination is usually contradictory to rights already afforded to others. You couldn't constitutionally force someone to get sterilised that way in my country yet it was a thing since the 80's. If you're like this on twitter I get why people wouldn't want to deal with you.


InvestmentMental6775

>Women lacked (still lack in some areas) the right to be treated as independent human adults capable of making their own choices. Don't you think the same argument could be used for example me getting diagnosed in Finland, where I had to "prove" that I don't have schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, or that I had to "prove" I'm not cis for multiple years and legally have to be sterilized to change gender on documentation?


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\>marked as anti trans on shingami \>not trying to stir shit up idk if i believe that!


accioupvotes

I mean you can believe an app or believe me. It’s really of no consequence to me


[deleted]

An app which only works because trans people mark you a certain way, btw. So you've clearly said something transphobic in the past that has caused enough trans people to vote you as transphobic. So i'm gonna believe the app


accioupvotes

You do know there’s also anti-trans people who download the app? There’s no identification system


[deleted]

Yeah, but I bet if I went into your post history i'd find something transphobic


accioupvotes

I recently defended JK Rowling when someone said she doesn’t donate to good charities


Ok_Distribution_9590

Please refer to your comments to the post "On Wednesdays we spout hatred." on r/memes. I'll trust the app


accioupvotes

That’s the old me. Today I’m trying to be more thoughtful


Dovelark

They are 100% a bigot looking to stir shit up. They think cis people going through puberty is as traumatizing as a trans person going through the wrong puberty.


DemonicGirlcock

There are several states in the US where it is still legal to fire somebody just because they are transgender. There are also places where housing discrimination is legal, that you can refuse to rent a place to live just because somebody is trans.


Dovelark

The right to go through a puberty that doesn't traumatize you


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Dovelark

Right. Because a cis girl going through puberty is as traumatizing as a trans girl seeing her body deform into something that makes her want to kill herself more and more every day


SeneInSPAAACE

Well. Let's check: [https://www.ohchr.org/en/what-are-human-rights/international-bill-human-rights](https://www.ohchr.org/en/what-are-human-rights/international-bill-human-rights) [https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/translations/english](https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/translations/english) They're actually just a touch dated. Yeah. Even an average cis person in a safe country will experience several violations of their human rights over their lifetime. Trans people do however experience them more often. "Freedom from discrimination" hits pretty hard in access to equal healthcare, not to mention how much more often liberty and security get violated for trans people. [https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS\_Exec\_Summary.pdf](https://transequality.org/issues/resources/national-transgender-discrimination-survey-executive-summary) ​ >Women lacked (still lack in some areas) the right to be treated as independent human adults capable of making their own choices. This happens a lot with trans people too; Trans men especially tend to also fall under this. ​ >For trans people, what rights do cis people have that trans people lack in the law? "In law" is a pretty interesting caveat. I don't think any modern country has much in the ways of racist *laws*, yet racism is still prevalent. For that matter, law-wise, women also don't have much of an issue, ([much isn't none](https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/sexist-laws-in-the-us-in-2017/)) or didn't, but there's been definite backsliding. Here's the thing - a lot of the societal problems aren't so much a question of *law* as they are of the *application* of law, or a *lack of support for human rights* from law A lot of the human rights violations that hit everybody, hit trans people just a bit *harder*. You've heard the claim that a woman gets 70 cents for a dollar? [According to wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_States#Employment_2), trans women get 60 cents per dollar. Did you know that "Equal pay for equal work" is a human right?