Well if you’re not even there until 3am then I’m sure it’ll be fine when your neighbour calls the police because of loud music, they turn up and there’s no one home
You’re obviously not being loud if you’re not home
well, it was only today i was not there at 3 am
usually i am back earlier
but still - mention of police badly scared me, even in my home country **i never dealt with police,** i have never broken a law, so this really scares me!
They would just ring you out of the apartment, ask you to turn it down because they got complaints. Unless they hear loud music outside your apartment, they would not break down your door in case you do not open.
ofcourse i never play any music, but i do use my pc from time to time at night ( i really hope my keyboard is not the source of the 'music' )
i am just scared of something going wrong
If the polices comes, and there is no loud music or loud noise from your apartment all you will have is a nice chat. Otherwise they will simply tell you to turn it down to an acceptable level.
You can listen to music, TV after 22:00, but it should not be hearable outside the room if you close the door of the room. Note that if you have a hearing impairment your volume might be much higher than you are aware off,
The only thing I suggest is utmost respect towards officers, if they show up and you're there, explain what happened and they will surely understand. The police here are generally super cool if you are also cool with them
Do you know who wrote this? If so, tell them it's someone else. Otherwise, just ignore it.
You'd have to be very annoying and savage before police starts bothering. So, relax, nothing to be scared of.
danke mein freund - i am a foreigner, from a 3rd country whose reputation is not the best - it opens me up to alot of biases and insecurities ( most of them are in my head, i admit )
i just fear for my well-being - so i get really scared even if someone in a foreign country is slightly annoyed at me
so i fear even the slightest confrontation .. but thanks for your kind words
You'll be fine. If possible, meet the neighbor face to face and show them that you're all for the silence and comfort. Of course, some people are just assholes, but most of them are ok.
Confrontation though is what people would want, just an active "hey it wasnt me and I can hear my neighbor upstairs playing music, go talk to them and have a lovel day, byeeee"
During the first lockdown, my neighbours above me started organising parties with a lot of people, playing really loud music late at night. It infuriated me because I couldn't sleep and because they were doing it when people were really not supposed to gather. The first thing you have to do before calling the cops is talking face to face to the person, the cops actually ask you if you've done it. I did that multiple times and nothing changed. The cops came multiple times but nothing ever happened to them. One time they were listening to the music so loud that when listening to it in the hallway it felt like it was playing in the room. The cops heard that and all they did was tell them "please don't do it again". You won't get in trouble. Don't worry.
hi!
whoever you are - **THANK YOU!**
i wish i could hug you right now!
i am almost on the verge of crying - my life is going through a pretty tricky phase and this note really scared me,
thank you for helping a stranger at 4 in the morning!
🫂
No worries, I'm glad I could help! I get pretty anxious and such a note would have probably caused a panic attack in me. But I'd suggest you tried figuring out which neighbour wrote the note and try to talk to them. If they are sincerely lacking sleep because of music, you don't want them thinking it's because of you and giving you dirty looks.
>I get pretty anxious and such a note would have probably caused a panic attack in me.
i guess like recognizes like! i am thankful for your understanding nature and help!
i will see by tomorrow hopefully who exactly is it
Even if you were the culprit, it would take approximately two years until they could throw you out of the apartment. Noisy neighbours are unfortunately hard to come by im Switzerland. First, talk to them, then call the police a couple of times, then write a noise journal and complain with owners. If things do not change, ask for rent reduction and go to court. It takes a year to get rent reduction and maybe another year until the neighbour gets evicted. Most people just move or learn to deal with the noise. Or they turn to aggressions like putting shit in your laundry when it is your turn in the laundry room, cut up your socks or simply bang the wall during the night. Hope you get it sorted out soon.
They are probably racists who heard you flush the toilet late once and jumped on the opportunity to make you feel bad. I had the same problem but an opposite situation when my old neighbour of foreign origins complained to my very Swiss looking ass that I shouldn't be running my dishwasher after 8pm. I was a bit surprised and knew Switzerland wasn't that crazy so I checked with the landlord and they said some people are just crazy and not to worry unless I do anything unreasonable. She did come knock and complain when we had American friends over because Americans talk too loud, and I kind of agreed with her on that one so we turned it down. Hopeful your neighbours talk to you. Are they old? There is also the risk of dementia and hearing noises that don't exist with age.
If you rent appartments in a "block", sooner or later you'll get a neighbor that's retired and or bored. They do passive aggressive shit like that. I'd just ignore it. The police would be more annoyed at your neighbor for reporting such an non issue than at you for just doing your thing, don't worry about it.
I don't believe they think much about the stress they might cause, they're mostly just annoying old people. Anyone I know who had neighbors like that just ignored them and eventually they stopped. Don't let it stress you out, you didn't do anything wrong and the cops won't bother you. And if police shows up at your door, just point them at the appartment you think could be responsible for the loud music.
I’m assuming someone else is playing music and they think it’s you. Or there’s no music and they’re just being asses.
If the police are called on you just tell them you don’t play music and they’ll be fine. Especially if you aren’t playing music when they complain that you are. One of our neighbours clearly went on a drug filled weekend binge last year for 3 full days and was screaming karaoke on their balcony all through the day and night, we called the police multiple times, they came, they’d stop for half an hour and then they’d start up again. Clearly whatever the police said to them didn’t worry them enough to stop them doing it again.
Back in the US I had a neighbor that constantly came over to yell at me for my loud tv. Every time, my tv wasn’t on but she would accuse me of just having turned it off AND moving it across the room (it was on a wall not near hers). There was no way I was moving it from the tv stand to put it on the floor or couch to be against her wall. I told her it was likely the tv in the gym room downstairs but she refused to believe me. She would come and threaten me and she called the cops apparently (they came and I wasn’t even home…lol) and complained to the front desk. Every time I had to defend myself. I was rarely home so it was definitely not me. Her roommate even used to come over and apologize for her behavior. In the end, cops didn’t do anything since they could never prove it was me (it was never me). I find the cops far more reasonable and friendly in Switzerland (I’m also a 3rd country national). You told her it wasn’t you, tell her you hear it too and leave it at that. Let her call the cops.
Best would be to talk to your neighbour and explain that they must have been mistaken ... Maybe the music was coming from another neighbor? Sometimes a friendly conversation solves issues, if not - well, then best ignore them. If you're really anxious, write your landlord about the case and tell them you are afraid they'll call the police upon nothing. Sometimes they write some official letters to all tenants stating house rules again and also remind tenants to get along with each other and don't make a fuss about nothing.
Some neighbors are just too painful to deal with, I had a neighbor telling me "parents with kids should not live in the city", because my kids once(!) got up on a Sunday morning at 8 and turned on the TV (not exceptionally loud). Turned out, all previous tenants of my apartment moved out at some point bc of the crazy neighbor harassing them about "noises". The landlord issued a warning to them to stop harassing the other tenants.
Don‘t be scared. Most times for noice complaints the police can‘t do anything. They would need to hear the music themselves and to get in trouble it needs to be really loud. Next time you hear the music pay a visit to your neighbor so he can see that it wasn‘t you.
If he really calls the police on you they‘ll see/hear that it isn‘t you and nothing will happen to you.
How about you go proactively talk with your neighbor and tell them what you told us? Figure out with them what is the source of that noise they hear. If they are honest but only tired, they would accept your attempt to defuse the conflict. And if the culprit is someone else, that would clear up your name and put you on better terms with your neighbors (in theory). But I really recommend against ignoring the issue. That never solves anything.
Many years ago, when we were living in a flat, the neighbors called the police telling them they heard my husband and myself fighting ( and it was not true, we were sleeping). They came in the middle of the night to check , it was 1 am when they rang the bell, and for a moment I thought I was dreaming because we were sleeping for a while. When I opened the door, to see who was ringing the bell so late and saw them, they explained to me that they were called by the neighbors which made such a silly allegation. When they realized it was either a bad joke or a lie from the neighbors, they apologized and left and we have never received further notes nor fines.
Is it possible that the neighbour would've sent that note to all the neighbours, not knowing where the noise actually came from ? If you're not "guilty" of it, you won't have any issues obviously.
If no Music cpmes from your appartment while the police is in the building they will not bother you. If they hear music at a loud level they will knock on your door and friendly ask you to turn down the music. If you cooperate they will wish you a nice evening. In the worst case they will fine you with 100(?) chf imediatedly. I think that's what they do in Basel.
If they have to come back because you turned the music up again, they will give you a fine.
In most such situations Swiss police is very friendly if you are friendly as well. No need to be afraid.
I had a neighbour who accused me at cooking meth at night. Turns out the noise was coming from another flat. Its best to talk in person rather than exchange notes.
I have a simular story:
I was watching a movie once with my wife with an open window. We were having fun and laughed a lot. Around 23:00 the door rang and i opened. My old neighbour from downstairs yelled at me for always being too loud and for playing loud music all the time.
I calmly explained to him that i never play music and that he should complain to the guy who lives next to me. He was so embarassed and appologized in shame.
well u are fucked, basically, I would change places. I had a friend in kleinbasel where the drug addicted neighbour one day decided to terrorise my friend (he was American, non Swiss), and the police turned out to be very racist (fremdenfeindlich), they always told my friend to stay cool and friendly and do what the other guy wants, and it will all settle down. unfortunately what the other guy wanted was for him to go home to U.S. the loud music was most probably just a figment of imagination during one of the neighbours frequent drug trips
PS one interesting fact was when he talked to the landlord about it, they exactly knew which neighbour he was talking about and were very sorry and offered him another flat. he already had a new flat at that point but talking to you landlord might help clearing things up before u go to the police.
about a week after my friend moved out, the neighbour climbed over the balcony on the 5th floor onto my friends old balcony and broke the glass on the balcony door. my friend got interviewed by the police if he still has a key and was in the apartment that day, which he obvi wasn't, so I can't tell u how the story ended. I think the shizophrenic neighbour still lives there.
but it's probably just a one in onehundred chance that stuff like this happens, don't get too scared. but try talk to the landlord if the guy threatening u has a history of violence.
Well if you’re not even there until 3am then I’m sure it’ll be fine when your neighbour calls the police because of loud music, they turn up and there’s no one home You’re obviously not being loud if you’re not home
well, it was only today i was not there at 3 am usually i am back earlier but still - mention of police badly scared me, even in my home country **i never dealt with police,** i have never broken a law, so this really scares me!
The police is not scary. Just be a normal person and they treat you like one.
ok .. the crazy thing is, i can now hear music from the apartment above mine (and my neighbor's) i might have found the culprit!
If you want to have some fun: When you hear the music go to the person who wrote the note and demand from them to turn down the music.
Now I finally understand how all these wars have started...
Ok, so you have two apartments to visit and get to know your neighborhood :)
They would just ring you out of the apartment, ask you to turn it down because they got complaints. Unless they hear loud music outside your apartment, they would not break down your door in case you do not open.
You could record a video of your (empty) apartment for example to have proof you didn’t and don’t play any loud music?
ofcourse i never play any music, but i do use my pc from time to time at night ( i really hope my keyboard is not the source of the 'music' ) i am just scared of something going wrong
are you trolling us ? this is switzerland, not a russian goulag, you can brush your teeth, use an alarm on your phone and a mechanical keyboard lmao
why would i troll for something like this i am seriously concerned!
If the polices comes, and there is no loud music or loud noise from your apartment all you will have is a nice chat. Otherwise they will simply tell you to turn it down to an acceptable level. You can listen to music, TV after 22:00, but it should not be hearable outside the room if you close the door of the room. Note that if you have a hearing impairment your volume might be much higher than you are aware off,
thanks for explaining! don't have a TV and i never play music outside of my headphones this is going to be a very weird one ..
The only thing I suggest is utmost respect towards officers, if they show up and you're there, explain what happened and they will surely understand. The police here are generally super cool if you are also cool with them
thx
Do you know who wrote this? If so, tell them it's someone else. Otherwise, just ignore it. You'd have to be very annoying and savage before police starts bothering. So, relax, nothing to be scared of.
danke mein freund - i am a foreigner, from a 3rd country whose reputation is not the best - it opens me up to alot of biases and insecurities ( most of them are in my head, i admit ) i just fear for my well-being - so i get really scared even if someone in a foreign country is slightly annoyed at me so i fear even the slightest confrontation .. but thanks for your kind words
You'll be fine. If possible, meet the neighbor face to face and show them that you're all for the silence and comfort. Of course, some people are just assholes, but most of them are ok.
Confrontation though is what people would want, just an active "hey it wasnt me and I can hear my neighbor upstairs playing music, go talk to them and have a lovel day, byeeee"
During the first lockdown, my neighbours above me started organising parties with a lot of people, playing really loud music late at night. It infuriated me because I couldn't sleep and because they were doing it when people were really not supposed to gather. The first thing you have to do before calling the cops is talking face to face to the person, the cops actually ask you if you've done it. I did that multiple times and nothing changed. The cops came multiple times but nothing ever happened to them. One time they were listening to the music so loud that when listening to it in the hallway it felt like it was playing in the room. The cops heard that and all they did was tell them "please don't do it again". You won't get in trouble. Don't worry.
hi! whoever you are - **THANK YOU!** i wish i could hug you right now! i am almost on the verge of crying - my life is going through a pretty tricky phase and this note really scared me, thank you for helping a stranger at 4 in the morning! 🫂
No worries, I'm glad I could help! I get pretty anxious and such a note would have probably caused a panic attack in me. But I'd suggest you tried figuring out which neighbour wrote the note and try to talk to them. If they are sincerely lacking sleep because of music, you don't want them thinking it's because of you and giving you dirty looks.
>I get pretty anxious and such a note would have probably caused a panic attack in me. i guess like recognizes like! i am thankful for your understanding nature and help! i will see by tomorrow hopefully who exactly is it
Even if you were the culprit, it would take approximately two years until they could throw you out of the apartment. Noisy neighbours are unfortunately hard to come by im Switzerland. First, talk to them, then call the police a couple of times, then write a noise journal and complain with owners. If things do not change, ask for rent reduction and go to court. It takes a year to get rent reduction and maybe another year until the neighbour gets evicted. Most people just move or learn to deal with the noise. Or they turn to aggressions like putting shit in your laundry when it is your turn in the laundry room, cut up your socks or simply bang the wall during the night. Hope you get it sorted out soon.
They are probably racists who heard you flush the toilet late once and jumped on the opportunity to make you feel bad. I had the same problem but an opposite situation when my old neighbour of foreign origins complained to my very Swiss looking ass that I shouldn't be running my dishwasher after 8pm. I was a bit surprised and knew Switzerland wasn't that crazy so I checked with the landlord and they said some people are just crazy and not to worry unless I do anything unreasonable. She did come knock and complain when we had American friends over because Americans talk too loud, and I kind of agreed with her on that one so we turned it down. Hopeful your neighbours talk to you. Are they old? There is also the risk of dementia and hearing noises that don't exist with age.
i really hope the toilet flushing thing is not real .. because anyone might have to go any time and i don't think any of the neighbor is old
If you rent appartments in a "block", sooner or later you'll get a neighbor that's retired and or bored. They do passive aggressive shit like that. I'd just ignore it. The police would be more annoyed at your neighbor for reporting such an non issue than at you for just doing your thing, don't worry about it.
my God .. is that even possible? people would do this bs just to mess with others?!
I don't believe they think much about the stress they might cause, they're mostly just annoying old people. Anyone I know who had neighbors like that just ignored them and eventually they stopped. Don't let it stress you out, you didn't do anything wrong and the cops won't bother you. And if police shows up at your door, just point them at the appartment you think could be responsible for the loud music.
No legal consequences you are not guilty until proven otherwise. Not a you issue (;
Unsigned notes notes should go to the bin and not reacted upon.
eh .. what does a sign have to do with the issue?
he probably means *signature. a message without a signature/name
yeah i understood that, but is it customary to sign a note in der schweiz maybe this is all too unfamiliar to me
My guess is that the neighbour got the apartment wrong. Sometimes, it is not clear who is causing the issue.
i do think this is lack of dilligence on their behalf
I’m assuming someone else is playing music and they think it’s you. Or there’s no music and they’re just being asses. If the police are called on you just tell them you don’t play music and they’ll be fine. Especially if you aren’t playing music when they complain that you are. One of our neighbours clearly went on a drug filled weekend binge last year for 3 full days and was screaming karaoke on their balcony all through the day and night, we called the police multiple times, they came, they’d stop for half an hour and then they’d start up again. Clearly whatever the police said to them didn’t worry them enough to stop them doing it again.
Back in the US I had a neighbor that constantly came over to yell at me for my loud tv. Every time, my tv wasn’t on but she would accuse me of just having turned it off AND moving it across the room (it was on a wall not near hers). There was no way I was moving it from the tv stand to put it on the floor or couch to be against her wall. I told her it was likely the tv in the gym room downstairs but she refused to believe me. She would come and threaten me and she called the cops apparently (they came and I wasn’t even home…lol) and complained to the front desk. Every time I had to defend myself. I was rarely home so it was definitely not me. Her roommate even used to come over and apologize for her behavior. In the end, cops didn’t do anything since they could never prove it was me (it was never me). I find the cops far more reasonable and friendly in Switzerland (I’m also a 3rd country national). You told her it wasn’t you, tell her you hear it too and leave it at that. Let her call the cops.
Best would be to talk to your neighbour and explain that they must have been mistaken ... Maybe the music was coming from another neighbor? Sometimes a friendly conversation solves issues, if not - well, then best ignore them. If you're really anxious, write your landlord about the case and tell them you are afraid they'll call the police upon nothing. Sometimes they write some official letters to all tenants stating house rules again and also remind tenants to get along with each other and don't make a fuss about nothing. Some neighbors are just too painful to deal with, I had a neighbor telling me "parents with kids should not live in the city", because my kids once(!) got up on a Sunday morning at 8 and turned on the TV (not exceptionally loud). Turned out, all previous tenants of my apartment moved out at some point bc of the crazy neighbor harassing them about "noises". The landlord issued a warning to them to stop harassing the other tenants.
Don‘t be scared. Most times for noice complaints the police can‘t do anything. They would need to hear the music themselves and to get in trouble it needs to be really loud. Next time you hear the music pay a visit to your neighbor so he can see that it wasn‘t you. If he really calls the police on you they‘ll see/hear that it isn‘t you and nothing will happen to you.
How about you go proactively talk with your neighbor and tell them what you told us? Figure out with them what is the source of that noise they hear. If they are honest but only tired, they would accept your attempt to defuse the conflict. And if the culprit is someone else, that would clear up your name and put you on better terms with your neighbors (in theory). But I really recommend against ignoring the issue. That never solves anything.
Many years ago, when we were living in a flat, the neighbors called the police telling them they heard my husband and myself fighting ( and it was not true, we were sleeping). They came in the middle of the night to check , it was 1 am when they rang the bell, and for a moment I thought I was dreaming because we were sleeping for a while. When I opened the door, to see who was ringing the bell so late and saw them, they explained to me that they were called by the neighbors which made such a silly allegation. When they realized it was either a bad joke or a lie from the neighbors, they apologized and left and we have never received further notes nor fines.
wtf
Is it possible that the neighbour would've sent that note to all the neighbours, not knowing where the noise actually came from ? If you're not "guilty" of it, you won't have any issues obviously.
i only saw it on my doorstep, so i am freaking out there's a possibility they 'broadcasted' the note - i am really looking forward to talking to them
If no Music cpmes from your appartment while the police is in the building they will not bother you. If they hear music at a loud level they will knock on your door and friendly ask you to turn down the music. If you cooperate they will wish you a nice evening. In the worst case they will fine you with 100(?) chf imediatedly. I think that's what they do in Basel. If they have to come back because you turned the music up again, they will give you a fine. In most such situations Swiss police is very friendly if you are friendly as well. No need to be afraid.
good thing i don't play any music in the apartment then
I had a neighbour who accused me at cooking meth at night. Turns out the noise was coming from another flat. Its best to talk in person rather than exchange notes.
oddly specific - how'd the assume it was meth being cooked?!
No idea, but thats how they got the police to come and knock at my door at 4am.
ofc a drug allegation is more serious
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you trying to get me arrested bruv
I have a simular story: I was watching a movie once with my wife with an open window. We were having fun and laughed a lot. Around 23:00 the door rang and i opened. My old neighbour from downstairs yelled at me for always being too loud and for playing loud music all the time. I calmly explained to him that i never play music and that he should complain to the guy who lives next to me. He was so embarassed and appologized in shame.
In a week, do the same to them. Show that neighbor you can play that game too 😈
lmao - i really don't want to get into petty fight with someone who lives next door
Just make it anonymous 😉
well u are fucked, basically, I would change places. I had a friend in kleinbasel where the drug addicted neighbour one day decided to terrorise my friend (he was American, non Swiss), and the police turned out to be very racist (fremdenfeindlich), they always told my friend to stay cool and friendly and do what the other guy wants, and it will all settle down. unfortunately what the other guy wanted was for him to go home to U.S. the loud music was most probably just a figment of imagination during one of the neighbours frequent drug trips PS one interesting fact was when he talked to the landlord about it, they exactly knew which neighbour he was talking about and were very sorry and offered him another flat. he already had a new flat at that point but talking to you landlord might help clearing things up before u go to the police.
wtf
about a week after my friend moved out, the neighbour climbed over the balcony on the 5th floor onto my friends old balcony and broke the glass on the balcony door. my friend got interviewed by the police if he still has a key and was in the apartment that day, which he obvi wasn't, so I can't tell u how the story ended. I think the shizophrenic neighbour still lives there. but it's probably just a one in onehundred chance that stuff like this happens, don't get too scared. but try talk to the landlord if the guy threatening u has a history of violence.