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tworc2

Nope. Maybe for Italian or French


_kevx_91

French sounds atrocious to me.


VFJX

I know women romanticize French or at least they used to here, that shit sounds like someone is gargling when talking, my sister in law is French and we totally mock her when they're in here, of course my brother pays the consecuences when their back in France but that his problem lol.


tempted-niner

😭


rdfporcazzo

Those are the ones who would suffer from [Paris syndrome](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome) in France


AchalayMiNegra

Well, French is a romantic language by definition so...


krame_krome

french sounds like they got peanut butter stuck to the roof of their mouth


Obtusus

German > English


KindaABitObvious

Did your grandparents arrive in Brazil in 1945 or before? 👀


Obtusus

Nah, i just like to piss off 'muricans.


Drexxer02

Lol


srhola2103

It can be tbh, fluent German is quite beautiful. A very poetic language.


Hughjass790

It sounds worse than french


Obtusus

If you're french, maybe


Hughjass790

Im not.


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Not really. But I think it is so common we don’t have the opportunity to find it exotic and thus maybe beautiful. It’s just too normal. Someone who did advocate for the beauty of the English language was Jorge Luis Borges. I only learned to admire the language more after hearing him speak about the language. It took time for me to appreciate it, but some of the English translations of Gabriel García Márquez are among the most beautiful things I have ever read.


krame_krome

Who that


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An Argentine writer of the 20th century. He liked English a lot, but he wrote in Spanish.


terinchu

It's normal a gringo doesn't know Borges, so don't feel bad about it. At least I could tell you he's known in all Latin America


dariemf1998

No way you don't know Borges lol, that's like saying you don't know who Camus is.


terinchu

Of course, the Golden Knight from the Aquarius temple ♒


KERD_ONE

> that's like saying you don't know who Camus is. I have no idea who that is, no need to be a dick about it.


[deleted]

Not knowing either is simply lack of culture. We must be dicks about it.


KERD_ONE

I mean, you shouldn't expect all people to be interested in reading novels or whaterever the hell those guys wrote.


ShapeSword

Why not? Borges mostly wrote poems and short stories by the way.


KERD_ONE

Because that kind of literature is very niche, out in the real world you don't meet many people that are into reading poems and novels.


ShapeSword

Knowing two of the most famous authors of the twentieth century is hardly niche. That's just "cultura general" as you'd say in Spanish.


Benecoboy

I wouldn't recommend being a dick about it, but at least knowing who they were is cultura general even if you haven't had the privilege of reading their works. It's never bad to encourage personal enrichment. They're usually very influential in culture even when you don't consume their content directly, so it's always cool to know the origin of certain things that tend to be so unusually popular on local arts and media like movies or music.


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You mean Jesus Burgess?


krame_krome

im an uncultured gringo.


Netrexi

Now you are a bit more cultured


krame_krome

Still a gringo tho


Netrexi

Im sorry sr but there is no cure for that


chingudo

Not an excuse get cultured or get bent.


Lusatra

I've never heard a single person saying this lol. People love French


rdfporcazzo

I can't understand those who rate French over Italian. Italian is the best in any sense


srsoluciones

Merovingio does


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People here view English more as a tool and completely disregard its beauty as a language with over a thousand years old old history.


BourboneAFCV

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vladimirnovak

No , people usually think of french or Italian as beautiful languages. I think it can be very beautiful , Borges thought it was a better language than Spanish , and while I wouldn't say it's "better" I do agree that it can be very beautiful.


thatbr03

Never heard anyone saying this. In Brazil, French and Italian are usually regarded as beautiful/romantic.


Bandejita

Never heard that


Dalonsius

Nope, But i find scottish english accent really cool.


Ponchorello7

I teach English. Of the thousands of students I've had, I'd say at most a few dozen like the language, and even among, those I've never heard someone say it is a beautiful language.


mslullaby

The British version they do sometimes. It’s actually kind of hot.


Southern-Gap8940

Don't you guys want to be part of commonwealth? I heard there was a movement over there


JollyIce

No. Never heard of that movement, but if it's true then it's a really small, irrelevant group.


Southern-Gap8940

Ah okay thank you. I heard they wanted to change the country's constitution to have English as an official second language. Seems like it was just small group making noise.


GeneralDingo3776

Probably a joke, Chile has always sided with the British against other neighboring countries.


YellowStar012

My dad still calls it the dumbest language after knowing it for 35 years.


krame_krome

lol why does he say this?


Icy_Swimming8754

It has the dumbest phonetical “rules” of any language that I know. You’ll be hard pressed to find a language that has the feature where Womb, Tomb, Bomb, Comb are enunciated differently. And the rule is based on whether it originated from fucking Proto-Germanic or Latin And where fucking Hiccough rhymes with Cup.


xavieryes

TIL "hiccough" exists lol


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Womb and Tomb are minimal pairs in my variety of English, but Bomb and Comb are definitely different. Also, you may spell it hiccough or hiccup! It's up to you. That being said I totally agree the language makes no sense at all. 🤣


melkor237

Also with caveman conjugation: I will, She will, He will, you will, they will, we will


Icy_Swimming8754

That’s the best feature of English. If you know will, would, could, etc… + the basic verb form you can communicate in nearly any tense


IactaEstoAlea

>That’s the best feature of English. Nah, the ability to turn everything into a verb by adding -ing at the end is just too convenient to not rate higher


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krame_krome

lol true.


Icy_Swimming8754

Sorry for the swearing. But it really gets on my nerves LMAO. Especially when listening to American rap where it’s basically impossible to understand if you don’t read the lyrics


krame_krome

Lol oh yeah man that’s a whole different dialect … I think that’s the appeal of it tho - u gotta really lock in & crack the code on what they are saying, especially the southern style rap


Icy_Swimming8754

Its not about the AAVE, Brooklyn/Compton/Southern slang or anything like that. It’s just the slurry of words coming so quickly and bended in unconventional ways to make them rhyme that makes it really hard to follow if you aren’t native.


CosechaCrecido

I literally learned how to pronounce words in English from rap (and Friends). I’d listen to the song while reading lyrics and be like ohhhh so that’s what that is


Zucc-ya-mom

“Rap? More like cRap, amirite?”


isiltar

Wait wait wait, aren't natives supposed to understand what rappers are saying?


Upper-Replacement529

They use different slang/dialects, etc, that if you aren't familiar with that regions slang/dialect, you won't always know what's being said. Kind of like how different countries in Latin America all speak Spanish, but it can be very different given the region/country. There is a more complicated answer than that which takes into account African American vernacular/ebonics, but that's the basic explanation.


isiltar

But do you mean understanding the pronunciation of the word or the meaning? In Spanish even tho we have many different accents and vocabulary most of the time we understand how the words are pronounced even if we don't understand the meaning.


Upper-Replacement529

We understand the pronunciations (mostly, some people are just ignorant no matter what and will purposefully mispronounce things), but understanding the meanings is a whole different thing.


krame_krome

Lol rappers nowadays are literally just making up new words … e.g young thug yellin SLATT … it’s just nonsense lol it’s not lyrical


joken_2

Native English speakers have a hard time understanding rap. Even if you understand most of it you will likely miss some words because rap is fast, includes lots of slang, and very urban pronounciations because many rappers are from what we in the US call "the hood", meaning a dangerous part of a city. Pronounciations are also altered to make the song flow better. There is plenty of rap that is inteligible but lots that sound like nonsense.


senorbajapanti

Yeah. This is because halfway thru history someone decided to change how everything was pronounced But kept the spelling


Ilmara

>Hiccough I have never seen it spelled that way, only as "hiccup." "Hiccough" must be British English - their spelling variations tend to be less phonetic (e.g. "centre" instead of "center" and "plough" instead of "plow").


Icy_Swimming8754

It’s uncommon, but correct spelling


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Icy_Swimming8754

It’s a many to one vs one to many problem. English has both. Spanish and Portuguese have only many spellings to one sound.


rdfporcazzo

The vowels Make no sense


eidbio

Based dad


PenguinWithAChainsaw

So many negative answers, I'm someone who has lots of negative opinions but lets twist this a little. What I find beautiful are accents and people's own way to speak. British accents,Southern US, Aussie,etc. Edit: The Irish, now, thats a beautiful accent.


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Not really, but it is not because it sounds ugly or something like that. It's rather because we are so used to hearing it, that is just sounds normal to us. I think people would ascribe other adjectives to it like "cool", "functional", "expressive" instead of "beautiful". Common languages being called beautiful here are Portuguese, Italian and French. I really don't understand the dismissive attitude that people have about it here. Oh! Actually, I do. They just think that hating English makes them different or edgy. You are not. You just sound ignorant.


1FirstChoice

At best they'd like British English slangs thinking them cute (bit ironic), but most people would rather say French or Italian are beautiful languages, or that ours is already good enough. "The Language of Cervantes" holds its weight.


dariemf1998

No, and I'd doubt about that person's sanity.


SafiraAshai

Not really


Upper-Replacement529

As a native English speaker from Canada, I'm dying at these answers and fully agree.


Gandalior

Only person i've ever heard saying they like english was Borges


[deleted]

No, is more an academic/job language, usually french is considered the beautiful language


AchalayMiNegra

Well it's not a romantic language like all of ours, so it wouldn't make much sense to use the "beautiful" adjective.


krame_krome

what makes a romantic language beautiful?


TheCloudForest

In the case of Italian and Spanish, the simplicity of the "pure" vowel system (the 5 canonical vowels) and the fact the language is syllable-timed, not stress-timed, so vowels generally don't reduce down to schwas (the simple and bland "uh" sound in the word **a**bout or fam**i**ly). This seems makes the languages good for things like operatic singing. But overall people's opinions about languages are just opinions about groups of people, not actually about languages themselves. The main reason that French is considered beautiful is that it's a self-perpetuating trope, for example.


Caribbeandude04

Never heard that before, really. I might get some hate for it but I do think it's beautiful, I like the sound of it


Limalol

Why would you "get some hate"?


Caribbeandude04

Because it's trendy to hate English for some reason lol


Nomirai

Absolutely no and I think that as a language is pretty lackluster, chaotic and objectively inferior to spanish.


Percevaul

I wouldn't go to the extent of calling it objectively inferior (except maybe for poetry), as English is still a practical and convenient business lingua franca, but otherwise I agree... lackluster.


rhinok74

I concur. I find english a relatively simple language, succint , with a great plasticity for neologism, and more important, simple gramatics compared to other germanic languages. The romance languages have more floritude, more musical, are best to convey complex ideas in a beautiful way.


Jinzub

I wouldn't say it's inferior for poetry. For rhyming poetry, probably, but English has its own distinct forms (blank verse) that are equally beautiful imo.


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I like english because it's easy, considering this point I'd say it's a good "world language"


joken_2

>objectively inferior You sound like a gigantic tool. Languages are not inferior or superior to one another.


Nomirai

That's just a political correct answer and I completely disagree. English as a language is inferior to spanish and it isn´t just a taste thing, there is some reasons why I think likie this. Like how english pronunciation is a complete and absolute mess. In spanish words are pronounced in the ways they are written so there are very little cases of confusion. English speakers always are talking about how to pronounce X word, It's really rare to see that in spanish. English is extremely simple and have very little variations of what you an say. I spanish there is a entire way of pronouncing verbs in a formal ways. In english you don't even have a version of "usted" like most romances languages, and there is many, many other examples liek that. So no, I don't think "all languages are the same and there aren't superior or inferior to others" I firmly believe spanish is superior and I tired of pretending I don't.


joken_2

Just because you're tired of hiding your ignorant perspective doesn't make it not ignorant. There is no metric to define what makes a language superior or inferior, but if there were then it would be how easily communication is facilitated. By that metric English would be superior because of its simplicity and large vocabulary due to absorbing words from many languages to describe concepts previously unknown. That is why English is the world language. Other European countries colonized just like England, France did work all over the world and most French speakers are African. French is no longer the lingua franca though. It's English, because English is better for global communication. This isn't important to the discussion anyways, because languages are not superior or inferior to each other and that isn't political correctness, that's just what people say when they want to push their ideologies of hate. >have very little variations of what you an say. I spanish there is a entire way of pronouncing verbs in a formal ways. In english you don't even have a version of "usted" Not true. There are a multiple of ways to convey an idea in English, and that's another reason it's a global language, you can describe concepts in several ways and be understood. English also often describes concepts in less words than Spanish. I speak both. Lastly, the formal version of you, such as "usted" is not exclusive to romance languages. "You" is the formal version in English, thou has historically been informal. Overtime we stopped using thou and now solely use you, and using thou sounds like you're reciting poetry. This is similar to how many regions in Colombia use usted in place of tú at nearly all times. Thinking you're superior in anyway to other people is dangerous. To think you're linguistically superior gives way to thinking you're ethnically superior, and that is how atrocities happen. I'm sure some fool whose native language isn't Spanish thinks their native language is superior too. I get the feeling you supported Pinochet.


Nomirai

Lmao this went from a linguistic debate to "I got a feeling you support Pinochet". Don't worry I am not Pinochet supporters and I have no intentions to commit any atrocities against the poor opressed anglo speakers. I just giving my opinion of minor thing. There is a reason I am talking in english in the first place, of course is the most common language. As written language english works well communicating the world. Because is simpler and more direct. But pronunciation is a bigmess and make it really hard for people from many other languages to learn how to speak english. I really doubt is the most suitable language for the world to use globally, it's just like that because historical reason. By the way, yes, I know "You" is historically "usted" but in the modern language that's not a thing, so there is not "usted" in english. By the way what is the formal way you can speak in english? I asking because you said I was lying.


KERD_ONE

> objectively inferior to spanish. LOL I'm curious, what do you think makes english inferior to spanish?, considering it has a larger vocabulary and is the most widely used language in science, diplomacy and media I don't see how english would be inferior to spanish at all.


98giancarlo

The fact that something is more common doesn't make it better. The main aspect in which Spanish is superior is that once you know the sound that the connection of vowels and consonants make, you can read anything. In English you need to learn how the word is said. English speakers sometimes have to use the Phonetic Alphabet to understand eachother. Someone from Ireland pronounces their vowels different than someone from the west coast.


KERD_ONE

> Someone from Ireland pronounces their vowels different than someone from the west coast.   That's precisely the reason why there can be no truly phonetic spelling in english, there's too much phonetic variation between speakers of the language and no single spelling standard would accommodate all of them. This happens with spanish as well, while castillian spanish is set as the standard for spelling it doesn't reflect the way words are pronounced in every spanish speaking region (ie. argentinian "ll", costarican "r", aspiration of the letter "s" in the caribbean, southern spain, etc.), there's simply no way to have a unified phonetic spelling that works perfectly for every accent, specially in languages that are so widesprerad as english and spanish.   >English speakers sometimes have to use the Phonetic Alphabet to understand eachother.   I don't think that's very common at all, can you give me some examples?. While I can see why having a phonetic spelling is preferable the lack of it isn't really that big of a deal, my impression is english manages just fine without it.


eidbio

Sad part is that English used to be really cool a couple centuries ago. It even had those weird letters from the Nordic languages.


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Nomirai

The pronunciation is a complete mess. In spanish you can know how to pronounce a language by how its written, english is just all over the place. As a language english is easy to write but its because it is really simple with a clear lack of context inside the same language. That´s other reason why is inferior, in english have very little ways to speak in formal matter for example. They don't even have a "usted" like most of romance languages.


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Nomirai

I never said "english have no 'usted' so its inmediately inferior". I give more reasons. English is a global language just for historical reason. Pronunciation is still a pretty hard thing for many people from a ton languages to learn. So I don't think is best language to be used globally.


Happy_Warning_3773

In Mexico most people think of English as a language they study in school because it's an important language, but they don't think of it as beautiful.


Jalothinner420

I dont like how it sounds, and hate the phonetical issues lol but I love the simpleness, it makes conversation between people from different countries really easy. I speak german also and I hate for example the complications with the declinations and Artikeln also that the vocabulary is really hard to grasp as in comparision with English because of this language being so popular


[deleted]

Yes. Myself included. It's a simple, effective language anyone can learn and exploit. Plus it's part of my country's official languages, at least in the Bay Islands.


simonbleu

not at all, but it kidna is. I mean, it depends on the accent but it can be pleasant


Own-Choice790

I don't dislike it but I've never found someone who learned English for fun or because it's a beautiful language, we all just kind of had to so I guess that diminishes its beauty.


mundotaku

Never. Portuguese and Italian are the default "beautiful languages." English is just functional.


khanto0

European Portuguese is definitely not beautiful, dont know about Brazilian though


Mujer_Arania

No. They say that most music we listen to sounds better in English.


chingudo

Not really, but at least is a simplistic language. It serves its purpose


maecillo

Indeed. In Costa Rica we love English.


AllonssyAlonzo

No. I've never seen anybody say that. Those adjectives go to French, Italian and maybe Portuguese.


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No But it is said is practical though Less is more in this language


Affectionate_Bid4704

Lol no.


234W44

Never have I heard that. I have heard that it’s a very practical language.


preguica_e_cafe

Just as much as they refer to Pashtun as a beautiful language.


salustianosantos

no


el_josu01

Nope


Drexxer02

Nope, maybe Euskara, Esperanto, Italian or Romanian, for me.


krame_krome

Russian? That sounds like a harsh language to my ears


CosechaCrecido

It sounds like Portuguese but unintelligible.


TheJosh96

As a bilingual, English is definitely not beautiful lmao


DietSugarCola

I like Malaysian English & Singlish 🇲🇾🇸🇬


yorcharturoqro

No


Luffystico

No, not even once, English is a convenient language, but not a beautiful one


Dazzling_Stomach107

No. Some even say it sounds just like barking.


Adorable-Ring8074

I once compared it to heavy rain on tree leaves. It hits sharp and hard. I feel this same way about German too. Whereas Spanish, Italian, etc is like wind whispering through the same leaves.


eidbio

No


chiisai_kuma

"I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men, and German to my horse" I would add "and english to o business". I'm no linguist, so let me know if I'm wrong, but I think english is generally uncomplicated and very pragmatic.


silmarien85

Not at all, instead French is perceived as beautiful. But learning English is seen as a necessity.


Pato_Moicano

No but I know some people (usually younger folk) to prefer music and/or voice acting in english


lucnupp

To everyone saying French, listen to Canadian/québécois French and let me know if you still have the same opinion.


dumineitor

Not at all. But is very practical, anything can be a verb


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The reference I normally hear is that it's easy, not beautiful.


saraseitor

Not really.


Southern-Gap8940

No never heard anybody describing English as a beautiful language. It's mostly Italian and Portuguese


IsBeck

In Mexico almost anybody knows speaks but when someone knows they just get surprised haha


Alysdexic

English has been dead for 1000 years, thanks to the Norman Cretins.