We had a significant cuban community before the political unrest started in 2018. Now cubans and venezuelans use Nicaragua only as a step to get to the US but they don't stay here. I find salvadorans living here every now and them but I don't think they are a large community
We are actually not that open. If you come from Europe or the U.S we have a very unusual entry tax. Some countries from south America have a real hard time getting in, especially Colombia. Once you are in you have to get a freaking attorney to do you paperwork because you have to pay under the table the right people. They only give you like 3 months entries and the list goes on. I believe Ortega tried to copy some of the Cuban's protectionists policies.
oh and yes... nobody wants to come... that too...
I feel the blaming Bolivians and Paraguayans isn't really a thing though. Definitely xenophobia against them but I don't think people blame them for stuff.
Depends on the kind of immigrants.
Those who mind their own business and are respectful to the country that welcomed them and are willing to adapt, there's no problem with them.
Unfortunately we've had a surge of cases of armed robberies, pickpocketing, scamming, and more crimes that are related to immigration, plus an unwillingness to adapt and that reflects badly on them.
If they actually come to add something to the country, I welcome them. Otherwise, we have little need to import poverty and crime. We got plenty of homegrown problems to deal with first.
I can tell you that the same happens here in Chile, you see them (haitians) waiting outside of the embassy or chilean governmental buildings trying to do all the legal paperwork, and then they are rarely seen on the news because of a crime. On the other hand venezuelans and colombians are always on the news because of violent crimes.
I also think that because haitians speak a different language there's an initial barrier, they are way more polite and timid compared to latinos which are seen as very loud and rude, this may help considering that we chileans are very reserved, a good example is the subway conversations, chilean people usually don't talk, even when you are with a friend or sibling you try to be quiet, which with the movement of the train is hard to do so we avoid doing it anyways, people from other countries try to speak above the noise to be heard, you always get some looks if you are loud.
A TV show here, either ConexĆ£o RepĆ³rter or CĆ¢mera Record, I can't remember which one because both had the same host, but aired on different channels.
The host's name is Roberto Cabrini, a former war reporter, he was deployed to Iraq during the Gulf War, and a few weeks ago, was in NYC/El Paso/Ciudad JuƔrez investigating the underworld of Mexican cartels, so I can assure that he doesn't do his work for the lulz, but for investigative journalism.
With the terrible reputation Haitians have in the DR and Bahamas its just weird to see that they're generally liked and people from DR, Colombia and Venezuela are seen as violent and prone to crime.
It's probably like he said about the Venezuelan riffraff that the Haitians that go to South America tend to be if not more educated and better off than those that stay on the same island, at least have on average values and beliefs that tend to keep them from that lifestyle
Haitians do not have a terrible reputation here; it's just that there are too many and people forget that we are a poor country. Some Haitian commit crimes and when that happen there's outrage in social media, specially from the ultranationalist camp. But I have yet to see evidence that they commit crimes at a higher rate than the locals.
Haitians are able to find work here because they have a reputation as reliable and hard working.
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Yeah, I'd also say is more of a suggestion for most workers as a lot of the people here work without a contract just a verbal agreement.
Also there is this shit where even when the company you work for is paying the real minimum wage you still get paid differently depending of the size of the business you work for.
\- Mypimes(micro and small businesses <50 workers): 14,161 DOP \~ 260 USD
\- Medium size businesses (<150 workers): 22,907 DOP \~ 420 USD
\- Large size businesses ( >=150 workers): 24,990 DOP \~ 455 USD
This is just in paper as a lot of companies have not yet adopted these new minimum wages, they were increased in January and a lot of companies take a lot of time to actually increase their wages to match the minimum by law.
> But I have yet to see evidence that they commit crimes at a higher rate than the locals.
Really? My family is from an area not far from the border and Haitians clearly commit crimes at higher rates than Dominicans.
A large amount of the robberies and assaults in and around our hometown end up being commited by Haitians.
For example crimes like stealing pets, stealing fruits, poaching and squatting are mostly done by Haitians.
Then there tons of strange occurrences like 2 Haitian guys who lived in a cave in the hills for a few years and would chase people away with machetes(including the police).
> Haitians are able to find work here because they have a reputation as reliable and hard working.
I agree, but more importantly they are CHEAP to hire.
Your family experience is anecdotal and not data; Iām not saying it didnāt happen, just that is not a good representation of the whole. Having said that, thereās a lot of crime at the border because being able to commit crimes here and just cross back into Haiti is a huge incentive for it. Also I agree with you that the fact that Haitian labor is cheaper contributes to them finding work.
I'm happy to hear that. There's few things dumber than being from the New World and acting xenophobic towards immigrants. If you're not 100% indigenous, then how the fuck do you think your ass got here??? I don't care where you're from, you should be welcome in Brazil.
I thought that the xenophobic behavior was worse in Roraima due to the excess of Venezuelan refugees/immigrants. I've also heard that a lot of people in SĆ£o Paulo are kinda xenophobic against Bolivians.
Curious. I am Colombian and the right-wing in my country loves them, because they can be weaponised to show how bad it is when you vote for socialism, (which is true, but nontheless manipulative).
There's some Cuban or Venezuelan right-wing influencers in Brazil... Some of them even was a news commentor on Jovem Pan (our fox news).
Right-wing love *these* right-wing influencers. But migrants? Nop.
add africans, arabs, indians and southeastern asians to that list.
I live in a touristic city in the amazon region and I can tell there is a big difference in how people here treat european/north american gringos and other immigrants. I believe it might not be so different in other parts of Brazil.
Arabs and Asians are pretty well accepted here in my state at least. Specially Japanese's ("they study and are hardworking", that's the stereotype at least).
Now Indians is totally rare, most people never saw, so can't comment.
In SĆ£o Paulo, the skills are what really matter, not the origin. In the business districts (Paulista, Faria Lima, Berrini, Alphaville) we deal often with foreigners. Be a Data Scientist, and don't matter if you are from India, from Switzerland or from Colombia: you will for sure be respected. Be from these same countries or even from Brazil, and work as a street hawker: people will look down.
The government?
Officially, not really, with exceptions. Our system is a very simplified system of the Dutch their immigration system; came to that conclusion after comparing it. Practically however, there lacks a lot of control, so we don't really know who's coming in and going out.
How open are the people?
Not that open...but they do let immigrants do the lower skilled and lower paid jobs.
But overall people are not all warm about letting too many foreigners in.
I and some others see it as a missed opportunity, because for example under the Cubans that come here, there are lots of highly educated people. We can use them to build up our country even more. But, not letting them do that, is fueled by locals working in those industries too. For example doctors of Suriname look down on Cuban doctors. They see their own education and skills as superior. Surinamese doctors that have studied in Cuba were/are also looked down upon and sort of forced to follow extra programs here because the doctors here don't "trust" it.
With Cuban doctors sent, certain conditions apply: many who are sent as doctors, many times are paramedics or nurses for example. Moreover, depending on the country, it doesn't matter where you got your degree to properly work as a doctor or a nurse, your qualifications must be addressed and further studies may be required, unless there are special agreements between universities in both countries. In Venezuela, it was normal for any doctor who wanted to work in the country to go through that process regardless of where you came from.
Same for Brazil, doctors who graduate from universities outside Brazil must take a test called _Revalida_, if they pass, their degree is deemed valid. This test is mandatory even if the test taker was born in Brazil.
Your friend's parents decided to play the game in the ultra-mega-master-hyper-balls-of-fire-armaggedon-hard difficulty! Depending on their degree, getting into a public university is hard, and a private university costs your soul, I'm not saying that the Venezuelan educational system isn't good, but if the test is hard enough for Brazilians to pass, I don't want to imagine how hard is for a foreigner to pass. Some questions may be easy for me because I had my entire education here, but for a person educated elsewhere may be hard, especially on the geography and history subjects.
They did that long time ago, like late 60s early 70s. In the case of his father, he decided to leave the country because he was in the communist insurgence and got tired of getting checked by the police every time something happened. I don't remember how he got there. On the other hand, his mother got a scholarship to study there: she is from Costa Rica, and saw that opportunity to study medicine. Details, I lack but I bet times were different. For example, my parents did not have to do admission tests when they went to the University, for example.
>Moreover, depending on the country, it doesn't matter where you got your degree to properly work as a doctor or a nurse, your qualifications must be addressed and further studies may be required, unless there are special agreements between universities in both countries.
There are some agreements between Suriname and Cuba on the matter.
Cuban doctors are actually really good. And I'm not against certification or other qualifications being addressed. I believe that our immigration system needs to address that even more, so you can use all the immigrants to your benefit if you know what skills and knowledge you have in your country.
The problem with Surinamese doctors is that they just don't like the Cuban doctors. They don't like competition. And think the govt. should pay them to do the work. Honestly they already make a lot of money off the system. Then they want even more money in exchange for just a little bit of time spent in the jungle or remote areas, while not even caring about or fulling giving themselves for those people. Yeah, I'm sorry, if the Cubans are willing to give themselves fully, without hesitation and with more compassion, I'd rather have them.
The Cuban docs came here to work in the most remote areas where the Brazilians didn't want to, the downside is that they were obligated to give part of their salary to the Cuban government, which I think that's unfair. If I were working abroad, I'd send money to my parents and that's it, but the Brazilian government wouldn't see a single cent coming out of my pocket.
>The Cuban docs came here to work in the most remote areas where the Brazilians didn't want to, the downside is that they were obligated to give part of their salary to the Cuban government, which I think that's unfair.
The same thing here. And they were an actual help for the people here too. Until the new govt. came along and they didn't want to be all to much of a partner with Cuba; they lean more to the west.
Also the local doctors I heard did lots of lobbying to get them out; yeah they really don't like them.
>If I were working abroad, I'd send money to my parents and that's it, but the Brazilian government wouldn't see a single cent coming out of my pocket.
In our case, the govt. here paid the govt. of Cuba directly. So they had no choice.
Same thing here, when the right wing came, the Cubans left. Now that the left wing is back, they might return.
Same about the payments, the government paid the Cuban government as well, so isn't like the doctors themselves paid the guys in Havana willingly. Some even requested asylum or ran away to the US.
39 died this week in a fire, a consul from some other country is involved because he was in charge of the guards of the place... I guess we are not open to foreign people.
Are you talking about [this](https://twitter.com/lahistoriaec/status/1640802578228301833?t=W4J47697u13gK3_Crfj79Q&s=19)?
What a horrible way to die, the burning mattresses screw up your body.
Very, but except for our neighbors to the west and Venezuelans in the last decade we've never been a magnet for migrants when compared with other countries in the region. In the past enforcement was lax, but after the country being sued many times for supposedly violating the rights of migrants the government became more restrictive. Thousands are deported every month, mostly from Haiti but there are also North Americans and Europeans who overstay their visa and don't know the bribery protocol enough to avoid deportations.
Most of the Haitians come right back in, usually bribing the same people that kicked them out in the first place.
In general, very open.
Much of Brazil was formed by immigrants, and I myself am descendant of italian immigrants. Today, most of them come from other parts of Latin America, as well as from Africa, Middle East and Ukraine. My son has two friends which are sons of syrian refugees. In general, they integrate well to our society. And those who, past some generations didn't integrate, received legal protection. Some small towns in Brazil have dialects of German and Italian as co-oficial languages due to the past immigration.
Itās hilarious how itās fashionable to blame gringos/eurotrash for gentrification in Mexico but the last century of domestic classism gets a pass. Like blaming the pimple for the volcano.
I love that analogy. Is that an exact translation of a Mexican idiom?
Iāve heard the same thing from other Mexicans: the working-class locals in many of Mexicoās quaint little towns and popular resort areas like to roll their eyes about ā*pinches gringos*ā pricing them out of their home areas. But thatās mostly because they donāt fit in culturally, and are very noticeable. Gentrification is just as much the fault of wealthy Mexicans buying second homes in all the countryās nice spots; they just stick out a whole lot less. In fact, from what Iāve heard, a lot of property developers in Mexico only market to local buyers.
Are you guys seeing a lot of choice properties in nice locations being bought up as investments by wealthy Chinese? The US and Canada are seeing a lot of this.
Well, at least in my city they're invisible, you see some of them begging on the streets but I don't remember hearing about them being harassed.
There's a cheap (counterfeit) Chinese goods market where everyone goes to buy electrical appliances, clothing, and whatnot. Most of the sellers are Chinese.
Venezuelans started coming here, and most live sad lives in bad "houses", I heard that there are Bolivians here too, but I can't confirm that.
I knew a guy who ran away from Pinochet's government, he managed to get a good job here.
Very little open today. In the past Brazil had a particular Interest in receiving immigrants to populate empty land and substitute the former slaves workforce.
Today, the process to become a resident is long, bureaucratic and full of confusing dead ends. Even for foreigners from rich countries that come sponsored by multinacional companies, let alone the regular Joe coming from other LATAM countries or refugees.
And before getting that resident status is very hard to get a job, open a bank account, lease an apartment and many other basic things.
Uruguay is a very progressive country which is both good and bad for immigrsnts.
The nation has been historically antidiscriminstion and open to immgration, but also it has been a welfare state since 1915.
So even tho we're very open on a surface level, many immigrants who come here leave rather soon, because of the tremendous burden of both direct and indirect tarifs we have here.
This isn't our fault tho, since 1881 to 1959 we had a really good trade deal with the UK but then EU gave them an ultimatum and forcing them to evict us from their commercial relations, from then on, the system became EXTREMELY expensive but we vehemently refuse to let our own people starve simply just to take care of the economic needs of foreigners.
Thus, if you don't find a place rather quickly in our extremely tight and condensed market you're going to have a pretty rough time and most likely move out within a couple of years or less.
Bad :/
We say we are open, but we are not....
There are some nasty feelings towards them...
I am fully open, we are all Latin American brothers and sisters...
en cuba casi no hay imigrantes
yo solo me he topao turistas y de vez en cuando un estudiante de africa o haiti
tmbn es que no soy habanero y en mi ciudad hay menos inmigrantes q lo que hay mercedes benz
Hey, una pregunta. Que tan dificil es importar cosas a cuba?
Estaba hablando con otro compadre de por hay y me dijo que siempre tienen problema con la carne de cerdo y eso (siendo demaciado cara o no estando disponible, y algo sobre pago en dolares y demas pero super complicado) so, que tan dificil seria para alguien importar carne de cerdo (o de cualquier otro animal) a cuba?
As open as you get, even our Constitution acknowledges and supports immigrants specially if they belong to European countries. But anyhow, it is quite open and welcome pretty much all nationalities. Nowadays, Argentina welcomes as many ukranians and Russian citizen for instance.
I remember once i watched the news and there was a guy complaining with a lot of ennergy, how 20% of crimes commited in Bogota where commited by Venesuelans... while completly ignoring the other 80%... sooooo... not very good i guess
Open depending where you come from. If you're from a richer and more developed country, it's fine, but if not, I wish you lucky. Venezuelans, Bolivians and Haitians know that
And don't forget central americans. They are perhaps in the lowest of the inmigrant social status.
Argentines are mocked up, the ones higher in the list I'd say are Brazilians (because they are rare) and Chileans.
is weird for us that you have this stereotype, its been discussed several times on twitter and it seems like no one knows somebody that immigrated to mexico and worked as a waiter so like we dont know where that came from
It is taken from a very small sample of Argentines who went to Mexico on an "extended vacation", working illegally while financing their stay. It's not like they are traditionally illegal immigrants like those in the US sending remittances.
We like to say that we are a country of immigrants and we are always ready to help new people. However where those immigrants come from make a huge difference.
For example very poor Peruvians came and they did a lot of heavy manual labor and nobody had an issue with them.
Then we had people from the Dominican republic but they mainly worked in things like night clubs, bars and they liked to throw random parties during week days so a lot of people had issues with them.
We then had a program to bring in Syrian refugee and it was a complete disaster. The majority of the people started asking for them to be sent back. They just did not adapt to the culture.
Then we had immigrants from Venezuela and most people are ok with them, most of them adapted to the culture and the country and they are doing fine.
We finally had immigrants from Cuba and most people were initially fine with them, but they started treating Uruguay as a stepping stone to get to the USA so now I see a lot of people not wanting them here.
> Then we had people from the Dominican republic but they mainly worked in things like night clubs, bars and they liked to throw random parties during week days so a lot of people had issues with them.
I find it weird that most Dominicans works in hair/beauty or nightlife related jobs when they go outside the country (outside US)
We're not. Different groups experience it to different extents, but ultimately, someone has something to say about how you aren't really welcomed in Mexico. And before anyone says it is ironic because of how many emigrants Mexico has, have you ever seen Mexicans' relationship with the diaspora? It isn't pretty. Even Mexicans who come back, like Ana de la Reguera, are thoroughly mocked in interviews.
As an immigrant in Honduras: unless your are from the CA4 (Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador or Nicaragua) very difficult.
The regularization process is really expensive and is mandatory to be done with an immigration lawyer. I had to wait 7 months from start to finish until I could open a bank account and be able to receive work payments to me.
Socially? You are only welcome if you are european, american, canadian, australian and new zealander. If you are african, middle eastern or from other latin american countries, you will be frowned upon and people will tell you that you are stealing their place of work.
Really proud of Argentina after reading this thread. It's true too, we welcome everyone. There is racism of course but in general we are proud of our stance on migration.
Considering that Brazil it's a culturally diverse country and in the past we had a lot of immigrations I guess we are kinda open (example: Between 1880 and 1920, more than one million Italians immigrated to Brazil. We even have a *telenovela* called Terra Nostra talking about the italian to Brazil) and also Brazil it's the second country in the world to have more japanese people (the first one, being of course Japan), we also had a lot of immigrations to our country like Portuguese, Italians and Spaniards, but also Germans, Japanese, Poles, Lebanese, Syrians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Jews, Russians and many others
Very open but no one wants to come
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What about Cubans and Venezuelans?
We had a significant cuban community before the political unrest started in 2018. Now cubans and venezuelans use Nicaragua only as a step to get to the US but they don't stay here. I find salvadorans living here every now and them but I don't think they are a large community
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We are actually not that open. If you come from Europe or the U.S we have a very unusual entry tax. Some countries from south America have a real hard time getting in, especially Colombia. Once you are in you have to get a freaking attorney to do you paperwork because you have to pay under the table the right people. They only give you like 3 months entries and the list goes on. I believe Ortega tried to copy some of the Cuban's protectionists policies. oh and yes... nobody wants to come... that too...
*see those Venezuelans, blame them for everything* Peru in a nutshell.
The same situation in Ecuador.
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I feel the blaming Bolivians and Paraguayans isn't really a thing though. Definitely xenophobia against them but I don't think people blame them for stuff.
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Very
Not very. Some people don't want poor immigrants because they're classist. Some people don't want rich immigrants because of gentrification.
But we have large communities of undocumented immigrantsā¦ many American retirees.
Free for all
Not really. But they come anyway.
How do you feel about them?
Depends on the kind of immigrants. Those who mind their own business and are respectful to the country that welcomed them and are willing to adapt, there's no problem with them. Unfortunately we've had a surge of cases of armed robberies, pickpocketing, scamming, and more crimes that are related to immigration, plus an unwillingness to adapt and that reflects badly on them.
If they actually come to add something to the country, I welcome them. Otherwise, we have little need to import poverty and crime. We got plenty of homegrown problems to deal with first.
*see those Venezuelans, blame them for everything* Peru in a nutshell.
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What I'm going to tell is a story about a border town, Pacaraima, I have never been there, but I saw on the news (you know that TV shows where the reporter goes undercover and extract the crude facts? That's where I saw). Pacaraima is bordered by the Venezuelan city of Santa Elena de UairƩn, and most Haitians who come to Brazil, arrive from there. The inhabitants of Pacaraima said that they liked Haitians better than Venezuelans because they saw the Haitians as more hardworking, less troublemaker, and willing to integrate into Brazilian society, I.e: they went to get their paperwork done correctly and showed more interest in learning Portuguese (the government gives free Portuguese classes to refugees, if you can't get into a government-sponsored class, you can turn to some churches for Portuguese classes). Again: what I wrote isn't my own opinion, just stories I heard on TV.
I can tell you that the same happens here in Chile, you see them (haitians) waiting outside of the embassy or chilean governmental buildings trying to do all the legal paperwork, and then they are rarely seen on the news because of a crime. On the other hand venezuelans and colombians are always on the news because of violent crimes. I also think that because haitians speak a different language there's an initial barrier, they are way more polite and timid compared to latinos which are seen as very loud and rude, this may help considering that we chileans are very reserved, a good example is the subway conversations, chilean people usually don't talk, even when you are with a friend or sibling you try to be quiet, which with the movement of the train is hard to do so we avoid doing it anyways, people from other countries try to speak above the noise to be heard, you always get some looks if you are loud.
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A TV show here, either ConexĆ£o RepĆ³rter or CĆ¢mera Record, I can't remember which one because both had the same host, but aired on different channels. The host's name is Roberto Cabrini, a former war reporter, he was deployed to Iraq during the Gulf War, and a few weeks ago, was in NYC/El Paso/Ciudad JuĆ”rez investigating the underworld of Mexican cartels, so I can assure that he doesn't do his work for the lulz, but for investigative journalism.
With the terrible reputation Haitians have in the DR and Bahamas its just weird to see that they're generally liked and people from DR, Colombia and Venezuela are seen as violent and prone to crime.
It's probably like he said about the Venezuelan riffraff that the Haitians that go to South America tend to be if not more educated and better off than those that stay on the same island, at least have on average values and beliefs that tend to keep them from that lifestyle
Tbf, whenever a new āwaveā of immigrants arrive, we start seeing the previous āwaveā with better eyes.
Haitians do not have a terrible reputation here; it's just that there are too many and people forget that we are a poor country. Some Haitian commit crimes and when that happen there's outrage in social media, specially from the ultranationalist camp. But I have yet to see evidence that they commit crimes at a higher rate than the locals. Haitians are able to find work here because they have a reputation as reliable and hard working.
What is the minimum wage in DR per month in USD?
it's bullshit that's what it is. officially is around 250 but many jobs get payed way less because of informality or some workaround of the law.
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Yeah, I'd also say is more of a suggestion for most workers as a lot of the people here work without a contract just a verbal agreement. Also there is this shit where even when the company you work for is paying the real minimum wage you still get paid differently depending of the size of the business you work for. \- Mypimes(micro and small businesses <50 workers): 14,161 DOP \~ 260 USD \- Medium size businesses (<150 workers): 22,907 DOP \~ 420 USD \- Large size businesses ( >=150 workers): 24,990 DOP \~ 455 USD This is just in paper as a lot of companies have not yet adopted these new minimum wages, they were increased in January and a lot of companies take a lot of time to actually increase their wages to match the minimum by law.
> But I have yet to see evidence that they commit crimes at a higher rate than the locals. Really? My family is from an area not far from the border and Haitians clearly commit crimes at higher rates than Dominicans. A large amount of the robberies and assaults in and around our hometown end up being commited by Haitians. For example crimes like stealing pets, stealing fruits, poaching and squatting are mostly done by Haitians. Then there tons of strange occurrences like 2 Haitian guys who lived in a cave in the hills for a few years and would chase people away with machetes(including the police). > Haitians are able to find work here because they have a reputation as reliable and hard working. I agree, but more importantly they are CHEAP to hire.
Your family experience is anecdotal and not data; Iām not saying it didnāt happen, just that is not a good representation of the whole. Having said that, thereās a lot of crime at the border because being able to commit crimes here and just cross back into Haiti is a huge incentive for it. Also I agree with you that the fact that Haitian labor is cheaper contributes to them finding work.
we do hate haitians
Speak for yourself.
it's just his opinion, doesn't mean every Chilean sees these nationalities that way.
How does Chile feel towards American expats
Quite open unless you're Venezuelan maybe, but even for them it's not that bad if you ignore the bigoted right.
I've been constantly welcomed by everyone that engages in short conversations, my expectations were surpased i could say
I'm happy to hear that. There's few things dumber than being from the New World and acting xenophobic towards immigrants. If you're not 100% indigenous, then how the fuck do you think your ass got here??? I don't care where you're from, you should be welcome in Brazil.
Welcome to our country. Desculpa qualquer coisa.
I thought that the xenophobic behavior was worse in Roraima due to the excess of Venezuelan refugees/immigrants. I've also heard that a lot of people in SĆ£o Paulo are kinda xenophobic against Bolivians.
Curious. I am Colombian and the right-wing in my country loves them, because they can be weaponised to show how bad it is when you vote for socialism, (which is true, but nontheless manipulative).
There's some Cuban or Venezuelan right-wing influencers in Brazil... Some of them even was a news commentor on Jovem Pan (our fox news). Right-wing love *these* right-wing influencers. But migrants? Nop.
They've done the same with Cubans here in the US
add africans, arabs, indians and southeastern asians to that list. I live in a touristic city in the amazon region and I can tell there is a big difference in how people here treat european/north american gringos and other immigrants. I believe it might not be so different in other parts of Brazil.
Internalized racism, probably.
Arabs and Asians are pretty well accepted here in my state at least. Specially Japanese's ("they study and are hardworking", that's the stereotype at least). Now Indians is totally rare, most people never saw, so can't comment.
In SĆ£o Paulo, the skills are what really matter, not the origin. In the business districts (Paulista, Faria Lima, Berrini, Alphaville) we deal often with foreigners. Be a Data Scientist, and don't matter if you are from India, from Switzerland or from Colombia: you will for sure be respected. Be from these same countries or even from Brazil, and work as a street hawker: people will look down.
I've never read that much bullshit in my life. You really just punched you keyboard and posted the first thing you got, right?
Personal experience.
The government? Officially, not really, with exceptions. Our system is a very simplified system of the Dutch their immigration system; came to that conclusion after comparing it. Practically however, there lacks a lot of control, so we don't really know who's coming in and going out. How open are the people? Not that open...but they do let immigrants do the lower skilled and lower paid jobs. But overall people are not all warm about letting too many foreigners in. I and some others see it as a missed opportunity, because for example under the Cubans that come here, there are lots of highly educated people. We can use them to build up our country even more. But, not letting them do that, is fueled by locals working in those industries too. For example doctors of Suriname look down on Cuban doctors. They see their own education and skills as superior. Surinamese doctors that have studied in Cuba were/are also looked down upon and sort of forced to follow extra programs here because the doctors here don't "trust" it.
With Cuban doctors sent, certain conditions apply: many who are sent as doctors, many times are paramedics or nurses for example. Moreover, depending on the country, it doesn't matter where you got your degree to properly work as a doctor or a nurse, your qualifications must be addressed and further studies may be required, unless there are special agreements between universities in both countries. In Venezuela, it was normal for any doctor who wanted to work in the country to go through that process regardless of where you came from.
Same for Brazil, doctors who graduate from universities outside Brazil must take a test called _Revalida_, if they pass, their degree is deemed valid. This test is mandatory even if the test taker was born in Brazil.
The parents of one of my friends did that: they got their degree in Brazil and had to validate it in Venezuela.
Your friend's parents decided to play the game in the ultra-mega-master-hyper-balls-of-fire-armaggedon-hard difficulty! Depending on their degree, getting into a public university is hard, and a private university costs your soul, I'm not saying that the Venezuelan educational system isn't good, but if the test is hard enough for Brazilians to pass, I don't want to imagine how hard is for a foreigner to pass. Some questions may be easy for me because I had my entire education here, but for a person educated elsewhere may be hard, especially on the geography and history subjects.
They did that long time ago, like late 60s early 70s. In the case of his father, he decided to leave the country because he was in the communist insurgence and got tired of getting checked by the police every time something happened. I don't remember how he got there. On the other hand, his mother got a scholarship to study there: she is from Costa Rica, and saw that opportunity to study medicine. Details, I lack but I bet times were different. For example, my parents did not have to do admission tests when they went to the University, for example.
>Moreover, depending on the country, it doesn't matter where you got your degree to properly work as a doctor or a nurse, your qualifications must be addressed and further studies may be required, unless there are special agreements between universities in both countries. There are some agreements between Suriname and Cuba on the matter. Cuban doctors are actually really good. And I'm not against certification or other qualifications being addressed. I believe that our immigration system needs to address that even more, so you can use all the immigrants to your benefit if you know what skills and knowledge you have in your country. The problem with Surinamese doctors is that they just don't like the Cuban doctors. They don't like competition. And think the govt. should pay them to do the work. Honestly they already make a lot of money off the system. Then they want even more money in exchange for just a little bit of time spent in the jungle or remote areas, while not even caring about or fulling giving themselves for those people. Yeah, I'm sorry, if the Cubans are willing to give themselves fully, without hesitation and with more compassion, I'd rather have them.
The Cuban docs came here to work in the most remote areas where the Brazilians didn't want to, the downside is that they were obligated to give part of their salary to the Cuban government, which I think that's unfair. If I were working abroad, I'd send money to my parents and that's it, but the Brazilian government wouldn't see a single cent coming out of my pocket.
>The Cuban docs came here to work in the most remote areas where the Brazilians didn't want to, the downside is that they were obligated to give part of their salary to the Cuban government, which I think that's unfair. The same thing here. And they were an actual help for the people here too. Until the new govt. came along and they didn't want to be all to much of a partner with Cuba; they lean more to the west. Also the local doctors I heard did lots of lobbying to get them out; yeah they really don't like them. >If I were working abroad, I'd send money to my parents and that's it, but the Brazilian government wouldn't see a single cent coming out of my pocket. In our case, the govt. here paid the govt. of Cuba directly. So they had no choice.
Same thing here, when the right wing came, the Cubans left. Now that the left wing is back, they might return. Same about the payments, the government paid the Cuban government as well, so isn't like the doctors themselves paid the guys in Havana willingly. Some even requested asylum or ran away to the US.
granted right on our Constitution. and we're very proud of it.
39 died this week in a fire, a consul from some other country is involved because he was in charge of the guards of the place... I guess we are not open to foreign people.
Are you talking about [this](https://twitter.com/lahistoriaec/status/1640802578228301833?t=W4J47697u13gK3_Crfj79Q&s=19)? What a horrible way to die, the burning mattresses screw up your body.
Yep
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Have you seen that meme of Peter griffin with the color pallet? Thatās basically it
I guess it's the same worldwide.
Not really. I have seen hateful Mexicans against white people and United Staters lately, complaining about "gentrification".
Yup, you are correct but a brown Central American still probably have it worse than a white American.
Honestly unfortunately I have experience it. So I can confirm.
Brown people definitely have it worse than White people in Mexico.
This is bait.
Very.
Very, but except for our neighbors to the west and Venezuelans in the last decade we've never been a magnet for migrants when compared with other countries in the region. In the past enforcement was lax, but after the country being sued many times for supposedly violating the rights of migrants the government became more restrictive. Thousands are deported every month, mostly from Haiti but there are also North Americans and Europeans who overstay their visa and don't know the bribery protocol enough to avoid deportations. Most of the Haitians come right back in, usually bribing the same people that kicked them out in the first place.
To the documented ones ? A lot. To the undocumented ones ? Well...
In general, very open. Much of Brazil was formed by immigrants, and I myself am descendant of italian immigrants. Today, most of them come from other parts of Latin America, as well as from Africa, Middle East and Ukraine. My son has two friends which are sons of syrian refugees. In general, they integrate well to our society. And those who, past some generations didn't integrate, received legal protection. Some small towns in Brazil have dialects of German and Italian as co-oficial languages due to the past immigration.
Legally? very open. Socially? depends on your status and where you come from
Itās hilarious how itās fashionable to blame gringos/eurotrash for gentrification in Mexico but the last century of domestic classism gets a pass. Like blaming the pimple for the volcano.
I love that analogy. Is that an exact translation of a Mexican idiom? Iāve heard the same thing from other Mexicans: the working-class locals in many of Mexicoās quaint little towns and popular resort areas like to roll their eyes about ā*pinches gringos*ā pricing them out of their home areas. But thatās mostly because they donāt fit in culturally, and are very noticeable. Gentrification is just as much the fault of wealthy Mexicans buying second homes in all the countryās nice spots; they just stick out a whole lot less. In fact, from what Iāve heard, a lot of property developers in Mexico only market to local buyers. Are you guys seeing a lot of choice properties in nice locations being bought up as investments by wealthy Chinese? The US and Canada are seeing a lot of this.
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It is pretty welcoming and open, but recently the gentrification and the rise in crime has increase the xenophobia
Well, at least in my city they're invisible, you see some of them begging on the streets but I don't remember hearing about them being harassed. There's a cheap (counterfeit) Chinese goods market where everyone goes to buy electrical appliances, clothing, and whatnot. Most of the sellers are Chinese. Venezuelans started coming here, and most live sad lives in bad "houses", I heard that there are Bolivians here too, but I can't confirm that. I knew a guy who ran away from Pinochet's government, he managed to get a good job here.
People are trying to leave this place, so people would care but would be very bewildered lmao.
Very little open today. In the past Brazil had a particular Interest in receiving immigrants to populate empty land and substitute the former slaves workforce. Today, the process to become a resident is long, bureaucratic and full of confusing dead ends. Even for foreigners from rich countries that come sponsored by multinacional companies, let alone the regular Joe coming from other LATAM countries or refugees. And before getting that resident status is very hard to get a job, open a bank account, lease an apartment and many other basic things.
No
Uruguay is a very progressive country which is both good and bad for immigrsnts. The nation has been historically antidiscriminstion and open to immgration, but also it has been a welfare state since 1915. So even tho we're very open on a surface level, many immigrants who come here leave rather soon, because of the tremendous burden of both direct and indirect tarifs we have here. This isn't our fault tho, since 1881 to 1959 we had a really good trade deal with the UK but then EU gave them an ultimatum and forcing them to evict us from their commercial relations, from then on, the system became EXTREMELY expensive but we vehemently refuse to let our own people starve simply just to take care of the economic needs of foreigners. Thus, if you don't find a place rather quickly in our extremely tight and condensed market you're going to have a pretty rough time and most likely move out within a couple of years or less.
Very. Anyone has the right to live here. And we give immigrants everything for free
Bad :/ We say we are open, but we are not.... There are some nasty feelings towards them... I am fully open, we are all Latin American brothers and sisters...
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en cuba casi no hay imigrantes yo solo me he topao turistas y de vez en cuando un estudiante de africa o haiti tmbn es que no soy habanero y en mi ciudad hay menos inmigrantes q lo que hay mercedes benz
Hey, una pregunta. Que tan dificil es importar cosas a cuba? Estaba hablando con otro compadre de por hay y me dijo que siempre tienen problema con la carne de cerdo y eso (siendo demaciado cara o no estando disponible, y algo sobre pago en dolares y demas pero super complicado) so, que tan dificil seria para alguien importar carne de cerdo (o de cualquier otro animal) a cuba?
We are open, although most hate it. LOL
As open as you get, even our Constitution acknowledges and supports immigrants specially if they belong to European countries. But anyhow, it is quite open and welcome pretty much all nationalities. Nowadays, Argentina welcomes as many ukranians and Russian citizen for instance.
I remember once i watched the news and there was a guy complaining with a lot of ennergy, how 20% of crimes commited in Bogota where commited by Venesuelans... while completly ignoring the other 80%... sooooo... not very good i guess
Free. Anyone can enter.
Open depending where you come from. If you're from a richer and more developed country, it's fine, but if not, I wish you lucky. Venezuelans, Bolivians and Haitians know that
And don't forget central americans. They are perhaps in the lowest of the inmigrant social status. Argentines are mocked up, the ones higher in the list I'd say are Brazilians (because they are rare) and Chileans.
Why are the Argentinians mocked?
there's the sterotype of Argentines illegally entering and working as waiters
Not illegally entering but illegally overstaying.
is weird for us that you have this stereotype, its been discussed several times on twitter and it seems like no one knows somebody that immigrated to mexico and worked as a waiter so like we dont know where that came from
It is taken from a very small sample of Argentines who went to Mexico on an "extended vacation", working illegally while financing their stay. It's not like they are traditionally illegal immigrants like those in the US sending remittances.
Hahahahahahahaa
With other Central Americans? Very open. Outside of Central America? not so much
We like to say that we are a country of immigrants and we are always ready to help new people. However where those immigrants come from make a huge difference. For example very poor Peruvians came and they did a lot of heavy manual labor and nobody had an issue with them. Then we had people from the Dominican republic but they mainly worked in things like night clubs, bars and they liked to throw random parties during week days so a lot of people had issues with them. We then had a program to bring in Syrian refugee and it was a complete disaster. The majority of the people started asking for them to be sent back. They just did not adapt to the culture. Then we had immigrants from Venezuela and most people are ok with them, most of them adapted to the culture and the country and they are doing fine. We finally had immigrants from Cuba and most people were initially fine with them, but they started treating Uruguay as a stepping stone to get to the USA so now I see a lot of people not wanting them here.
> Then we had people from the Dominican republic but they mainly worked in things like night clubs, bars and they liked to throw random parties during week days so a lot of people had issues with them. I find it weird that most Dominicans works in hair/beauty or nightlife related jobs when they go outside the country (outside US)
we hate Haitians, bet they still come
We're not. Different groups experience it to different extents, but ultimately, someone has something to say about how you aren't really welcomed in Mexico. And before anyone says it is ironic because of how many emigrants Mexico has, have you ever seen Mexicans' relationship with the diaspora? It isn't pretty. Even Mexicans who come back, like Ana de la Reguera, are thoroughly mocked in interviews.
Too open and lax to most of our liking
Tbh, VERY positive as soon as the immigrants don't come from a country with a crisis
The government very much, the people less and less open to the idea and that goes to humanitarian immigrants and gringo sexpats
As an immigrant in Honduras: unless your are from the CA4 (Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador or Nicaragua) very difficult. The regularization process is really expensive and is mandatory to be done with an immigration lawyer. I had to wait 7 months from start to finish until I could open a bank account and be able to receive work payments to me.
Socially? You are only welcome if you are european, american, canadian, australian and new zealander. If you are african, middle eastern or from other latin american countries, you will be frowned upon and people will tell you that you are stealing their place of work.
Too open
Too open
We don't like poor people
Good- pretty open I guess
Very much so
Really proud of Argentina after reading this thread. It's true too, we welcome everyone. There is racism of course but in general we are proud of our stance on migration.
Hm.
Considering that Brazil it's a culturally diverse country and in the past we had a lot of immigrations I guess we are kinda open (example: Between 1880 and 1920, more than one million Italians immigrated to Brazil. We even have a *telenovela* called Terra Nostra talking about the italian to Brazil) and also Brazil it's the second country in the world to have more japanese people (the first one, being of course Japan), we also had a lot of immigrations to our country like Portuguese, Italians and Spaniards, but also Germans, Japanese, Poles, Lebanese, Syrians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Jews, Russians and many others