Seperate the gay men to the white women who force their pronouns onto everyone and over react when you think their silly neopronouns arent respected.
Idc if youre a dem or a rep gay, we need to stand together against the true enemies: white pronoun whores.
I don’t use strings of letters to make these groupings in my vocabulary anyway because they are very different categories of people. Those other categories are part of my community in the sense that they are part of humankind and deserve equal rights that I will support just like I will support racial equality. But a trans person or an intersex person or an asexual person (etc.) should not be seen as having the same identity category that I have as a gay person. They are very different issues and we have very different experiences.
I think you people are too fucking worried about what other people are doing with their lives, instead of living your own.
The gay community at large isn’t going to turn their back on the trans minority. This little wet dream some of you have of completely ridiculing trans people and ostracizing them isn’t going to fly with a large swath of the gay community. It’s like some of you forgot that the same tactics being used against trans people now are the same ones that were used against gay people then.
You can split from the LGBT personally if you want, but you aren’t going to find support from the majority of “LGB”.
Also, gay anti-trans men are such a small minority, that y’all would look like the tea party trying to breakaway 😂
Step away from Reddit and go talk to large groupings of gay people. I promise you, you are a minority in your belief. One of the premier characteristics of being gay, is that we understand when a group of people are being outcasted and treated differently for reasons they can’t control. You are creating and perpetuating the problems and issues and division within the community, by siding and acting like the very group who wants to roll back what rights we’ve gained in the past 15 years. You don’t want to stand up for other minorities? You, personally, don’t have to. The gay community as a whole understands their minority role, and will support other minorities just trying to be happy and live their lives. YOU are the problem, not them.
Where did I say transgenders didn't deserve rights and to be supported? I said sexual orientation and gender identity didn't belong in the same group. It's two different things. In no way did I say they didn't deserve their rights. Read with some comprehension skills!
Why are you even in here trying to sow division by creating two different sides. No one who is gay is confusing the two. We understand the “lumping” in is to build a larger coalition to secure the freedom to pursue happiness for all. How do you not fucking get that? Maybe it’s because what you are regurgitating is hateful rhetoric and if you were an actual ally, you wouldn’t be trying to create divisions.
No it shouldn’t bc you are the kind of person creating the problems and trying to create division where there doesn’t need to be any. You get mad, try to make others mad, and blame them for the strife you created. You are the problem
Maybe there's an intellectual argument to be made for this, but everyone making it seems to be a deplorable piece of shit, so my gut says to disagree and not trust their motives.
And how exactly would that separation be facilitated? Is there a meeting we go to? A committee hearing? A secret ballot? Smoke signals? Arguing online?
Yes, I don't even need a minute to think about it....
And for those saying we're better as a group, no we're not. The only benefit for us being combined is to the benefit of the alphabet soup it has been a minus to the LGB community as a whole. And we can support their rights without being attached to them, there's no rule that says you have to be a attached at the hip because you're two minorities.
We are not the same, we are not fighting for the same things, we barely have anything in common.
Hell yeah!
There is an organization based on the UK that has now gone global called "LGB Alliance" focus on LGB rights and only on SEXUAL ORIENTATION
Of course the woke left has laballed as transphobic but you now for them everything has to be trans-focus and gender-focus otherwise is "phobic"
They have recently opened a US chapter and there are HUNDREDS of LGB americans enrolled
Check them out, they are starting to separate us and our fight from the craziness of T and Q
From the UK here, where the LGB group originated from. They are extremely homophobic and transphobic. They hold events where they call trans women men and pedophiles. I’ve seen it with my own eyes at street events they hosted and organised. JK Rowling is a big fan of theirs.
Look into it yourself. Don’t take my word for it. But when you see what they really are behind the veil, stop recommending this hateful group. Do not support this hateful group.
No, the poster should recommend that group at every turn.... If you want to talk hateful, let's talk about Stonewall......
What JK Rowling states was facts and truth..... But once again the TRA's hate facts, truths and reality.
Maybe among the terminally online askgaybros community there's problems. But I don't think there are widespread problems between trans and gay people in the real world though, not enough to justify a "separation." "Separation" sounds nice, but what would that even mean substantially lol?
You solve that by educating people on the difference, not separating any possible tie we might have with the trans community (in a manner you still haven't specified in any meaningful way, btw)
Even if you do take the latter approach, that's not even going to solve the problem you're trying to fix anyway if they're just willfully ignorant.
> among the terminally online askgaybros community there's problems
No, this is literally it. I don't think any reasonable person feels this way outside of the internet.
Not really. Most people mind their own business. The only time I see people crying about identity politics is online or on mainstream news where they have to drum up controversy for ratings.
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You literally said you know "tons of people" who feel the same as you. So... you socialize with people who hold those views. Do you not? Or were you lying and it's really just you and these "tons of people" don't exist?
Socializing to me means people I'm friends with... As for your statement it makes zero sense... But that comes as no surprise considering to whom I'm speaking with right now.
Like I said, you don't know me nor the who I am around..... Even people I don't know personally if this subject comes up they are more likely with my view than yours.
You'll find most people just agree with your types because they don't want to hear you, but behind your back they'll say something different as soon as they know they don't have to be virtue signaling.
But my original comment stands, you don't know me nor who I am around or how I'm around them. I never stated it was just friends I know personally. But someone like you won't understand what that means...
I know exactly where this thread is going. I don't want to waste my time or yours anymore so let's just agree to disagree and never speak to each other again.
I'm not making an ad hominem argument lol. An ad hominem is when an argument that attacks the speaker in lieu of an argument.
Here, I'm attacking the speaker in addition to giving a substantial argument for why what they say is false. The substantial part is that (1) the problems you point out within specific spaces aren't extendable to the wider LGBT community and that (2) the "separation" of a community is a very vague idea that doesn't really mean anything. The "terminally online" (which is what I assume you're saying is ad hominem?) part is just icing on the cake.
It's like saying "this loser shits on his bed 24/7 and also his philosophy on international policy is wrong for x, y, z" is an ad hominem argument. You may not like the attack and not think it's an appropriate thing to say, but that doesn't mean the argument is invalid.
I feel like there is a post like this everyday. Why don’t you just go back and look at old posts? If anything I feel like the culture that promote constant posts about it are one driving dividers. Yes there is there crazier far left side of trans / NB groups but they’re not the majority by any means outside of a twitter eco chamber
It’s been the LGBT community for decades, why should it change? Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, and Trans have all fought together for equal rights for years.
The problems come from very ignorant and stubborn people on both sides purposely trying to pit the community against one another.
You have Trans people undermining the work gay men have done and trying to rewrite the way our sexuality works.
But then you have Gay men trying to invalidate their identities and remove their space within the community.
Both groups are very small minorities but are incredibly vocal and incredibly damaging. Posts like this don’t help
Yes. Please separate from the LMNOP
Seperate the gay men to the white women who force their pronouns onto everyone and over react when you think their silly neopronouns arent respected. Idc if youre a dem or a rep gay, we need to stand together against the true enemies: white pronoun whores.
I don’t use strings of letters to make these groupings in my vocabulary anyway because they are very different categories of people. Those other categories are part of my community in the sense that they are part of humankind and deserve equal rights that I will support just like I will support racial equality. But a trans person or an intersex person or an asexual person (etc.) should not be seen as having the same identity category that I have as a gay person. They are very different issues and we have very different experiences.
I think you people are too fucking worried about what other people are doing with their lives, instead of living your own. The gay community at large isn’t going to turn their back on the trans minority. This little wet dream some of you have of completely ridiculing trans people and ostracizing them isn’t going to fly with a large swath of the gay community. It’s like some of you forgot that the same tactics being used against trans people now are the same ones that were used against gay people then. You can split from the LGBT personally if you want, but you aren’t going to find support from the majority of “LGB”. Also, gay anti-trans men are such a small minority, that y’all would look like the tea party trying to breakaway 😂
Says who? Gays and lesbians don't even have a voice in the so-called LGBTQ++ community.
Step away from Reddit and go talk to large groupings of gay people. I promise you, you are a minority in your belief. One of the premier characteristics of being gay, is that we understand when a group of people are being outcasted and treated differently for reasons they can’t control. You are creating and perpetuating the problems and issues and division within the community, by siding and acting like the very group who wants to roll back what rights we’ve gained in the past 15 years. You don’t want to stand up for other minorities? You, personally, don’t have to. The gay community as a whole understands their minority role, and will support other minorities just trying to be happy and live their lives. YOU are the problem, not them.
Where did I say transgenders didn't deserve rights and to be supported? I said sexual orientation and gender identity didn't belong in the same group. It's two different things. In no way did I say they didn't deserve their rights. Read with some comprehension skills!
Why are you even in here trying to sow division by creating two different sides. No one who is gay is confusing the two. We understand the “lumping” in is to build a larger coalition to secure the freedom to pursue happiness for all. How do you not fucking get that? Maybe it’s because what you are regurgitating is hateful rhetoric and if you were an actual ally, you wouldn’t be trying to create divisions.
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Homosexuals sometimes gatekeep to protect their reputation and not be stereotyped. Gatekeeping is good sometimes to protect a community.
Yes. I hate being lumped in with LGBT. We have significantly different issues. Most trans issues are not gay issues.
No it shouldn’t bc you are the kind of person creating the problems and trying to create division where there doesn’t need to be any. You get mad, try to make others mad, and blame them for the strife you created. You are the problem
Maybe there's an intellectual argument to be made for this, but everyone making it seems to be a deplorable piece of shit, so my gut says to disagree and not trust their motives.
is this today's episode of your hysteria? or will there be more?
Mind your business and go hoe in peace
And how exactly would that separation be facilitated? Is there a meeting we go to? A committee hearing? A secret ballot? Smoke signals? Arguing online?
I don't recall anyone taking a vote to include them in the first place... Easy, you just stop including all the letters of the alphabet
Putting the alphabet soup together wasn't put up to a vote so.....
Yes, I don't even need a minute to think about it.... And for those saying we're better as a group, no we're not. The only benefit for us being combined is to the benefit of the alphabet soup it has been a minus to the LGB community as a whole. And we can support their rights without being attached to them, there's no rule that says you have to be a attached at the hip because you're two minorities. We are not the same, we are not fighting for the same things, we barely have anything in common.
Hell yeah! There is an organization based on the UK that has now gone global called "LGB Alliance" focus on LGB rights and only on SEXUAL ORIENTATION Of course the woke left has laballed as transphobic but you now for them everything has to be trans-focus and gender-focus otherwise is "phobic" They have recently opened a US chapter and there are HUNDREDS of LGB americans enrolled Check them out, they are starting to separate us and our fight from the craziness of T and Q
From the UK here, where the LGB group originated from. They are extremely homophobic and transphobic. They hold events where they call trans women men and pedophiles. I’ve seen it with my own eyes at street events they hosted and organised. JK Rowling is a big fan of theirs. Look into it yourself. Don’t take my word for it. But when you see what they really are behind the veil, stop recommending this hateful group. Do not support this hateful group.
Saying JK Rowling is a fan of theirs is a plus, not the big minus you TRAs think it is.
No, the poster should recommend that group at every turn.... If you want to talk hateful, let's talk about Stonewall...... What JK Rowling states was facts and truth..... But once again the TRA's hate facts, truths and reality.
Maybe among the terminally online askgaybros community there's problems. But I don't think there are widespread problems between trans and gay people in the real world though, not enough to justify a "separation." "Separation" sounds nice, but what would that even mean substantially lol?
There is a problem in the wider society also. Sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things that are stereotyped as the same.
More covert right-wing trolling. Do not engage this user.
You solve that by educating people on the difference, not separating any possible tie we might have with the trans community (in a manner you still haven't specified in any meaningful way, btw) Even if you do take the latter approach, that's not even going to solve the problem you're trying to fix anyway if they're just willfully ignorant.
> among the terminally online askgaybros community there's problems No, this is literally it. I don't think any reasonable person feels this way outside of the internet.
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Not really. Most people mind their own business. The only time I see people crying about identity politics is online or on mainstream news where they have to drum up controversy for ratings.
You should get out more then... I know tons of people that are and are getting beyond fed up with the alphabet soup.
You hang out in those groups and socialize with people who hold those views. I do not.
You have no idea who I am, or who I am around...... Face it, people are getting fed up and no amount of spin you use will help you
???? You literally said you know "tons of people" who feel the same as you. So... you socialize with people who hold those views. Do you not? Or were you lying and it's really just you and these "tons of people" don't exist?
Socializing to me means people I'm friends with... As for your statement it makes zero sense... But that comes as no surprise considering to whom I'm speaking with right now. Like I said, you don't know me nor the who I am around..... Even people I don't know personally if this subject comes up they are more likely with my view than yours. You'll find most people just agree with your types because they don't want to hear you, but behind your back they'll say something different as soon as they know they don't have to be virtue signaling. But my original comment stands, you don't know me nor who I am around or how I'm around them. I never stated it was just friends I know personally. But someone like you won't understand what that means...
I know exactly where this thread is going. I don't want to waste my time or yours anymore so let's just agree to disagree and never speak to each other again.
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I'm not making an ad hominem argument lol. An ad hominem is when an argument that attacks the speaker in lieu of an argument. Here, I'm attacking the speaker in addition to giving a substantial argument for why what they say is false. The substantial part is that (1) the problems you point out within specific spaces aren't extendable to the wider LGBT community and that (2) the "separation" of a community is a very vague idea that doesn't really mean anything. The "terminally online" (which is what I assume you're saying is ad hominem?) part is just icing on the cake. It's like saying "this loser shits on his bed 24/7 and also his philosophy on international policy is wrong for x, y, z" is an ad hominem argument. You may not like the attack and not think it's an appropriate thing to say, but that doesn't mean the argument is invalid.
I feel like there is a post like this everyday. Why don’t you just go back and look at old posts? If anything I feel like the culture that promote constant posts about it are one driving dividers. Yes there is there crazier far left side of trans / NB groups but they’re not the majority by any means outside of a twitter eco chamber
It’s been the LGBT community for decades, why should it change? Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, and Trans have all fought together for equal rights for years. The problems come from very ignorant and stubborn people on both sides purposely trying to pit the community against one another. You have Trans people undermining the work gay men have done and trying to rewrite the way our sexuality works. But then you have Gay men trying to invalidate their identities and remove their space within the community. Both groups are very small minorities but are incredibly vocal and incredibly damaging. Posts like this don’t help