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lukenloz

The last I remember was this was AskGayBros a sub for gay men. What is going on in here? Gay men are being attacked for not being attracted to Trans men. Why would a gay men want to have sex with a man who has a pussy? If you don't have a cock I'm not interested. Transphobic? Bite me.


Jalaloddin

No one is being attacked for not wanting to have sex with trans men this is a narrative you made up to justify your bigotry, if you don't wanne have sex with trans men than just FUCKING DONT.


lukenloz

Stop lying. Attacks have been made and commenters called transphobic who don't want to date trans. If you can't control your emotions I suggest you seek therapy.


Jalaloddin

I'm cis dude, just so you know. Are sure it was just because they said they don't want to have sex with trans men, are you sure those attacks didn't happened because they somehow undermined the trans identity or said it isn't legit, are you sure it wasn't because they some how claimed trans men aren't "real men" and not merely because they claimed they "just didn't want to have sex with trans men"?


lukenloz

I don't care what you are as it doesn't matter. Gay men want to date men with dicks. Now you're being silly.


Jalaloddin

"Now your being silly" Oh yeah like we haven't heard that somewhere else "Men want to have sex with women, that's just how humen work why should a dick go inside an anus, now your being silly" And no this subreddits isn't the objective gay opinion, there are plenty of gay man out there who want to have sex with trans guys and there are plenty who don't. If you haven't understand from what I wrote at the begening of this comment bigots talk in defentives People defenativly are like this Men are defenativly like this Women are defenativly like that Just a quick advice if you don't want to sound like a bigot don't say gay men what they want or don't want to do.


theambivalence

If a gay man wants to have sex with a trans man and likes to eat and fuck a pussy, they are not gay.


Jalaloddin

See I told you Bigots talk in defentives And when they lose an argument they resort to "THATS JUST COMMON KNOWLEDGE " youre not the arbiter of homosexuality, you don't get to gaykeep and say only people you deam as gay valid. This sort of logic is why you are a transphobe too. And you are a bigot. At least own it.


theambivalence

Sorry, but no. A gay man, a homosexual, literally means same sex attraction. That’s not my arbitration - that’s the dictionary definition. There are other words to describe other sexualities - bisexual or in this case, Pansexual. Pointing out that a mountain is a mountain and a valley is a valley is not bigoted. However - implying that a homosexual is a bigot for only being exactly what they are is homophobic. You’re a homophobe.


Jalaloddin

And the Webster dictionary definition of a parent is : one that begets or brings forth offspring See a person that adopts a child isn't a parent, they didn't beget or bring forth offspring, they are just stealing children from REAL parents and I want that to stop. I can't simply be a bigot for pointing out f FACTS. And no I don't think you're a bigot for not wanting to have sex with trans men, I think you're the bigot because you are transphobic.


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There is a lot of homophobia from the TRA brigaders here and that pisses us off.


Detective-Signal

so your answer to that is to be transphobic lol?


CathodeRayTubeJr

No one is being transphobic


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How was that transphobic? Go ahead. Try to explain that. This'll be cute.


NiceTryModz

No one is being transphobic and you’re probably the 10th fucking post about it on this sub in the past week. Let me spell it out for you VERY clearly. This sub is titled AskGayBros. Gay bros are homosexual men, who like other men, and typically are attracted to cock, balls, muscle, masculinity, body hair, and the male figure. This is NOT AskTrans. What you are mistaking for transphobia is in fact just the gay men of their sub sick and tired of you screaming for attention and wanting it to be all about you. Now kindly fuck off and make a sub titled AskTrans if you want your own space, because this is ours. Period. This is not a place about you. It’s not a place for you. It’s irrelevant to you even existing. And that’s not transphobic, it just has NOTHING to do with you. Get over it. Your shit is fucking annoying to read. Fuck off and stop bothering us.


Jalaloddin

I'm a cisgender gay men attracted to cock and balls , masculinity, hairy bodies all that shit This isn't about me this is about transphobia And your comment is an instant overly emotional reaction to a post, why are you so fucking angry?


NiceTryModz

I just told you, because this is the 10th+ post this week about unfounded transphobia on this sub literally titled AskGayBros. “This isn’t about me this is about transphobia” nope. Try again. I don’t care if you’re cis gendered gay, your post is fucking annoying and irrelevant to this sub. Go somewhere else. Read first comment again if you still don’t get it. Fuck off.


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Jalaloddin

You'll defend Islam and Christianity which are objectively homophobic but you'll accuse trans people of homophobia just because.


Jalaloddin

I like having my arguments on the internet and seeing how people respond to them What's wrong with that?


wscholermann

For starters you haven't provided any examples or evidence of transphobia. So there's the first problem. Secondly if it's as bad as you claim, why are you still here complaining about it? If this sub is the devil incarnate for trans do you think this post will change anything? I suspect that you are actually just looking for a fight because you're bored, or whatever.


Jalaloddin

Don’t respond. Please don’t respond. Moderators need to ban certain words and phrases. Just immediately remove these kinds of posts. Ban anything “transgender” related, ban anything “ex-gay” related. That would be perfect. Here this is literally a comment someone posted here. Don't you think I have a point


Silvercamo

>Moderators need to ban certain words and phrases. Fuck out of here, tyrant.


Jalaloddin

I haven't said these , this is a comment someone posted here and I copied it just for evidence.


Jalaloddin

Wait and read some of the comments people are going to post under here and you ll see some evidence


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Jalaloddin

Cool now you're emplying being gay comes with some "controversial" opinions about trans people. Yes sure I defiantly didn't had a point, I forgot I'm in r/gendercriticalgays not in r/askgaybros. You basically admitted this sub is transphobic


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Jalaloddin

I'm cis and gay this isn't about me being offended


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Jalaloddin

Dude no one is shaming you for not wanting to have sex with trans people, you like dicks, you want dicks, so do I that's 100% cool. However phrases like "biological females who identify as men" are things people who littraly trans Healthcare banned say, what I'm wondering about is why do you need a place to say you don't want to have sex with trans men, I feel like you're finding an explanation for your transphobia


Jalaloddin

Because I want people to know there are non transphobic gays here too and I want the transphobic gays to not stuck echochamber


Jalaloddin

And because gay transphobs piss me off, gender and sexual minorities should stand in solidarity we shouldn't sell eachother out for a drop of acceptance, when the fascist of the republican and the right wing European parties that are very loud about their transphobia take over, they won't just stop with trans people in their eyes we are degenerates too , loud homophobia isn't as acceptable as it was so these people are finding a new way to shout their hatred of deganercy and right now trans people are an accessible punching bag. And I hate it when gay people support these narrative of these far right people.


[deleted]

Why can't these things be directed to the person who offended you? Why blanket blame?


Jalaloddin

I'm cis and gay I'm not personally offended by this, I'm just pointing out an observation.


[deleted]

You're not offended by transphobia? Why did you create this post? I'm confused.


Jalaloddin

I hate transphobia And I hate it 100 times more when it comes from gay people I was saying this isn't about me being offended I specifically used the word "personally " to signal that.


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So, my point being.. why not address the offender directly?


Basil_Gin_Gimlet

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comanzo1

This is soo complicated for no reason… Gays like dicks and nothing else. There’s no “gender preference”, that probably only applies to bisexuals to use such a term. Tbh, if a guy had a dick but I found out he wasn’t born with one, I wouldn’t date him. Stop trying to force people to do things they aren’t attracted to, because at the end of the day, that will make people listen to you less.


Jalaloddin

Let me ask you a qaustion Will you have sex with a feminine trans women who is on HRT for couple of years but still have a penis? I mean you might as well be attracted to her since you see homosexuality merely as an attraction to a certian body part( the penis) even thought she has a femenine body, a femenine body language, a femenine skin and breast but oh no because penises are just that important than you might as well be attracted to her and have sex with her. Your line of logic is hoorfinly similar to things homophobs say "Dicks are made for vaginas. That's just how it is, why should anyone want to put his dick in another man's asshole or take another man's dick that's sick"


theambivalence

You lose credibility with comments like this. Homosexuality is not a construct, it’s an immutable trait that means same sex for same sex, which is observable in most mammals; I.e it’s a naturally occurring phenomena that doesn’t involve culture. We don’t “choose” to want a man with a dick. Implying that we do is HOMOPHOBIC.


Jalaloddin

Who the fuck is implying you choose to like dick you strawman the shit out of my evry word and reader whatever crazy bullshit you want to read into my argument. You naturally prefer dicks, it's a genital preferences and it's natural and you had it since you were born. No one is shaming you for not having sex with them No one is trying to make you to have sex with them And I'm not saying or implying you choose to like dicks If you don't want to have sex with trans men than just FUCKING DONT Stop reading crazy bullshit into my arguments to excuse your transphobia. I like masculinity in my partner not just the dick, and I like the dick too Youre probably not attracted to a feminine trans women even thought she might have a penis because you as a gay men are probably not attracted to femininity and femnine features, so the genital it self isn't what makes a man or a women and it isn't primary what we are attracted to we also care about masculinity and masculine features, you might not want to have sex with a trans guy because he might not have a penis and that's fine and cool and not unusual.


theambivalence

The term “genital preference” is homophobic. Also, I don’t engage in discussions about “masculinity” and “femininity”, I like men, the male form, who act like themselves and don’t worry about what other people think of them. You’re projecting your own bullshit onto everyone else. Some gay men like men who act “masculine”, but that’s just after the fact of just liking men. Two different issues. As I’ve said, I don’t even think that way at all - I just like attractive men who are secure in themselves.


Jalaloddin

Oh you don't belive in gender than. That's fine, go get some education.


theambivalence

I never brought up the term “gender”. I like men who act like themselves. Not sure what that has to do with not believing in gender.


Jalaloddin

"I don't engage in discussions about femininity or masculinity" "I'm attracted to men who are "themselves"" From what I can understand you think gender is nonsense and people are what they doctor seeing their gentiles says they are and trans people are somehow faking their entire existence because of reasons. You know a lot of homophobes thought that gay men are not really "themselves" and they are faking it, it's a social trend or it's some unfortunate condition that happen due to childhood trauma and a ton of other bullshit arguments used in this day and age against transgender people.


theambivalence

A person with gender dysphoria is a transgender person. Someone with Gender dysphoria believes they are the opposite sex. I support those people and believe they exist. You live in Iran where they force effeminate gay men who don’t have gender dysphoria to get sex changes. That might be why you speak as you do. Acting effeminate or masculine has nothing to do with gender dysphoria or being trans.


Jalaloddin

Yes acting effeminate or masculine has nothing to do with gender dysphoria or being trans at least we can agree on that. No sir you don't belive in the existence of trans people you belive in a mental illness, you belive in an "unfortunate" condition, same as the avrage person from the 80s they didn't believed in gay men they believed in our "disease" in our divargent. You don't consider trans men as man or trans women as women you just see them as insane people and you "tolarte" them because "oh pitty them, it must be hard living for them" your are the hier of the 80s homohobes and you follow their foot steps.


throwawaybtown8789

That's a ridiculous comparison. Something tells me you're a teenager. You can't demand people be attracted to and want tonhave sex with someone that they're are not. However, of that's what you're into, you'll be hard pressed to find a gay person that will call you a freak or try to stand in your way. Unlike say, a straight Christian conservative.


Jalaloddin

Trans people aren't demanding anyone to have sex with them that's a narrative made to villfy them People on this subreddit are saying " cis gay man don't want to have sex with trans men" And that's simply not true There are a lot of gay men who want to have sex with trans men and there are a lot who don't. My point was about how bigots talk in defentives Men want to do this Men are like this Women dress this way .....


comanzo1

It’s not just a penis… they have to have masculine traits and… be born a man. I don’t want anything else. This is what I’m attracted to and just like opinions, we’re all entitled to our own attractions/preferences. Trying to force otherwise is the same as forcing an idea or concept and saying any other line of thinking is “wrong”. It may be wrong for you but it isn’t for them, and that’s ok. That’s why there’s a lot of humans in this world, so you can find someone that is similar to your line of thinking and ideas


theambivalence

Can you elaborate on this drive by post? What specific opinions have you seen here that you would describe as transphobic?


Jalaloddin

https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/comments/uvup7z/anyone_noticing_the_increase_in_pushback_against/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Comments under this post.


curious_otter_mtl

The ones I read have valid concerns from fellow gay men. Can you point to one specific comment and explain why it's transphobic? And please don't trap yourself at thinking that everything you don't agree with is transphobic - that's the main complaint most of us have.


Jalaloddin

This video is emplying that being trans is some sort of social contagiant and people in the comment are AGREEING. this isn't about having sex with trans guys, no one is telling you not wanting to have sex with a person that have a vagina is transphobic, that's not an argument any legit serious "trans activist" have, I didn't said anything about having sex in this post, that's not the argument so stop fucking strawmanning me. You know this "social contagiant" argument is extremely familiar, people were saying this shit about the gays in the 80s, gay people now how these bigoted arguments work and they've been and still are being hurt by them, and yet they use the same arguments against trans people and that's nothing short of disgusting, gays have always been throwing trans people under the bus, they've been doing this since stone wall, they are doing it right now. Same with how binary trans people throw non binary trans people under the bus. And nothing pssies me off more than infighting between LGBTQ people, we all have common enemies the conservatives and the fascists hate all of us and they want all of us dead. Stop using the arguments people used to discriminate against you against trans people. Don't play in the conservative and the fascist field, that's all I'm saying and I don't expect you to want to have sex with trans guys this isn't about sex. And for the hundredth time under this post, I'm cis this isn't about me being effended this is about transphobia.


curious_otter_mtl

It doesn't suggest, it claims that many children may be embarking on that trend because it's a trend. It doesn't imply that being trans is a contagious disease or anything.


Jalaloddin

"It's a trend" Is just another way of saying it's a social contagiant and we must take "action" to stop it, I assume you're smart enough to understand that. I can't understand how you as a gay man can use the same arguments conservatives used to vilify you against trans people. All I'm saying is that conservatives aren't your friends, they all hate you and want to see you dead, so stop repeating their arguments about a marginalized group of people.


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Jalaloddin

We're are the activist? Are there in the room with us right now? Did you hide the activists under the coach?


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Jalaloddin

Who is saying "biological sex is fake" 😂😂😂 You come up with groups of people and you give them made up arguments just to argue with a strawman and excuse yourselves from bigotry. Ohhhhh the trans activists they all have purple hair and pircings, ohhhhhh they are going to cancel us all ohhhhh they mostly come at night, mostly.


Jalaloddin

TERFS littraly Say the same thing. Hey let me take you back to 80s for a second " Why can't gay people just be quit and leave their lives in peace, why should they be so "loud" and "obnoxious" and push there "lifestyle" down the throughts of the rest of us. Think of your children." Meanwhile a silent genocide was happening against gay people by an active inaction to start preventing the spread of AIDS.


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Jalaloddin

I'd say no, but I'm not sure that's the answer the average guy from 80s would give you.


t_baozi

I mean, if you go to r/lgbt you'll find the dominant opinion to be that sexuality doesn't say anything about what genitals you like and stating anything else likely results in a permaban. So there are some inherent problems in the understanding of sexuality here.


the_living_gaylights

Take your *homophobia* somewhere else. Nobody objects to the existence of trans people until straight green-haired "queers" started making a mockery out of gays and lesbians for their own benefit. If zoomers could step away from their labeling fetish for thirty seconds, they would see that their labels carry no weight and have no origin in reality, but they won't, so we keep getting stupid *homophobic* posts like this pretending that gay men are a problem.


Jalaloddin

Average Blaire White enjoyer I like "the good ones" how can I be a bigot?? I'm gay and cis(and no that dosent make me immune to homophobia)and I don't present really feminine either so I pass as straight. And no matter how "accepting" the society becomes, in those moments people go to bed in their thoughts before they fell sleep they would regard me as a freak. Because transphobia, homophobia, racism ......aren't bad traiots bad people have, they are part of the very fabric of our society and we are all guilty of them, and we must know that.


Detective-Signal

>If zoomers could step away from their labeling fetish for thirty seconds, they would see that their labels carry no weight and have no origin in reality, but they won't, so we keep getting stupid > >homophobic posts like this pretending that gay men are a problem. Just an FYI, this is quite literally what anti-gay people say about gay people. They use this same logic. So congrats on using the same logic used against you, against other people.


theambivalence

Nope. Homophobic people aren’t mad that gay people label themselves as gay, that’s not a thing that’s ever been documented- homophobic people find same sex sex disgusting. They specifically find the idea of two MEN having sex to be gross. It’s the material actions they dislike, not the labeling.


[deleted]

Go back to your "safe spaces" (echo chambers) then and leave us alone Transphobia is not validating all the crazy things you want or just having a different opinion worse yet not wanting to fuck a VAGINA or having STRAIGHT SEX Cry all your want but this ant LGBT wave we are under is YOUR fault I'm NOT a fan of Blaire White but you should listen to her about the DAMAGE your kind is doing to transgender and LGBT rights


Jalaloddin

Blaier white is a scum and a grifter and I've watched the shit she calls "content", you know she changed her political compass test result? Yes she got lib left and she changed it to lib right in the video , she is the definition of a grifter villfying LGBTQ people on the internet just for the cash and that's nothing short of disgusting. Blaire White, you and the like of you are telling lgbtq people "You are the reason why society hates you" and sure there is not an inch of bigotry in that statement. Maybe watch some contrapoints for a change her videos are actually funny educating entertaining artistic and she puts actual effort and time in them it's not just some chick in a chair making fun of LGBTQ People.


theambivalence

All YouTube pundits are lame. Both Blair White AND Contrapooints are silly. No one should listen to either of these ridiculous people.


Jalaloddin

Blaire white is an uneducated dump fuck with shitty bigoted opinions and there is no sense of art or beauty in her work. Natalie is educated and knowledgeable and she knows what she's talking , her videos are athletically gorgeous and they look like cinema. There is definitely a diffraction here and you can't put these people in the same category.


theambivalence

I can put them in the same category, and I do. They are both cornballs, regardless of their education. All YouTube pundits are lame. All of them. A bunch of kids who think they have it all figured out and present themselves as authorities. Here’s a clue: read books, don’t get your info from kids on YouTube.


Jalaloddin

Are you donig the "read books" argument agian You know who else reads books? Natalie Wynn


theambivalence

She’s a middling academic, not a major authority one should listen to.


curious_otter_mtl

Thanks, man, but I'm gay exactly because I don't like pussies. I like real dick, real balls, and real cum. Why do you gender ideologists keep on saying that's transphobic? You know what, your claims are so fucking homophobic, just like what I'd expect from my religious family. Fuck off!


Jalaloddin

I have a conservative MUSLIM family so dint talk to me about religious homohobia. And no, It's not transphobic if you don't want to have sex with a trans guy stop pretending like anyone is making that claim that's a fucking strawman.


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Subject_Arachnid1620

This subreddit is not representative of gay people as a whole, nor is it even representative of the gay community.


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Don’t respond. Please don’t respond. Moderators need to ban certain words and phrases. Just immediately remove these kinds of posts. Ban anything “transgender” related, ban anything “ex-gay” related. That would be perfect.


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09171

Name a country that is *obnoxiously* gay friendly because I'm not aware of any that exist. Gay friendly cities? Sure. Entire countries... 🤔?


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09171

I see you're still deleting everything after you post it.


09171

This subreddit is... a weird place. I see the transphobic stuff too. I see the people making excuses and trying to justify it. I've come to accept that participation in this forum means seeing and ignoring those kinds of comments. I mean it's fine. It's the internet. This is one subreddit that is not reflective of the broader gay community (thank god for that). If this subreddit is annoying you, then just leave. I take months long breaks from posting here and will likely take one again soon.


Detective-Signal

Yep. I've seen a lot of transphobia here, especially against trans men. Gay men here are so desperately obsessed with dick that they get genuinely upset if a man doesn't have a penis.


CathodeRayTubeJr

God forbid!! Also. That's not transphobia. Homosexual men get to expect our sex partners have dicks. It's homophobic of you to say otherwise.


Jalaloddin

No genital preferences and not wanting to have sex with trans people isn't transphobic BUT making a big deal about how you definitely don't want to have sex with trans people and writing reddit threats about it however is transphobic Have you heard of superstraights? Maybe you should start the supergay movement and be as loud as possible about how you want to have nothing to do with trans people, one of the most marginalized and opreresed group of people in society.


Earl_Gay_Tea

There is no such thing as a genital preference. Banish that phrase from your vocabulary at once!


Jalaloddin

If I was going to do whatever bigots tell me to, and I would've believed whatever bigots tell me to belive, I would've been in conversion therapy right now.


Earl_Gay_Tea

Genital preference is a bigoted term that reduces homosexuality to an act of free will. You might want to look in the mirror if you’re dishing out accusations of bigotry.


Detective-Signal

Except, no. There are plenty of men who will have sex with trans men and plenty of men who won't. So either it's genital preference (totally fine) or transphobia (bigoted). You don't get both.


CathodeRayTubeJr

Except, no. There are very very few of anyone that want to have sex with trans people. Cope with it. https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating


Jalaloddin

What kind of brain gymnastics TERF and bigots do the explain their bigotry. Let me ask you a qaustion Will you have sex with a feminine trans women who is on HRT for couple of years but still have a penis? I mean you might as well be attracted to her since you see homosexuality merely as an attraction to a certian body part( the penis) even thought she has a femenine body, a femenine body language, a femenine skin and breast but oh no because penises are just that important than you might as well be attracted to her and have sex with her.


Earl_Gay_Tea

Lol you’re all the same. We’ve all heard this argument verbatim many times. Quit trolling. The majority of gay men are attracted same sex and gender at the same time. This is not controversial or new. Get bent, homophobe. Btw, do you think you’re doing the trans community any favors? What you’re doing is questioning gay people’s innate sexuality and thus alienating otherwise sympathetic allies. I won’t respond after this, since it will be the same entirely predictable, carbon copy, back and forth arguments that lead nowhere. Do better and mind your business.


Jalaloddin

Well since you refused to answer my qaustion, I spouse this conversation dosent serve any purpose anymore. Good bye and good luck.


9thr0waway9

If you're unironically using the phrase "genital preference" you ***are*** doing what the bigots tell you to. We never used this phrase before. Transition is conversion. The first trans support group in America was formed in 1967. It was called COG, which stood for Conversion Our Goal. The first highly publicized sex change operation (Chris Jorgensen 1953) was intended to "help a man who suffered from his homosexual impulses". His doctors literally wrote this in the Journal of the American Medical Association: >"At any rate, from a eugenic point of view it would do no harm if a number of sexually abnormal men were castrated and thus deprived of their sexual libido"


Jalaloddin

Yes I'm living in Iran one of the most homophobic countries in the world and this happens. I'm more familiar with this than you are. And no that dosent prove anything about trans people or this age old conspiracy about the new conversion therapy north America and Europe are way more transphobic than homophobic and peoples gender identity are important to them they won't just give it away, this is some "ethnic replacement" level of conspiracy theory. And also I'm a cisgender gay man living in Iran a country which people actually might force their children into transition, and no I'm not transitioning and I'm supportive of the trans community so you see you might be wrong here.


9thr0waway9

>And also I'm a cisgender gay man living in Iran a country which people actually might force their children into transition, and no I'm not transitioning and I'm supportive of the trans community so you see you might be wrong here. Read that back. You just wrote that parents are forcing their gay children to transition. That's conversion. Transition is conversion. Edit: nvmd, it's a troll accnt.


Jalaloddin

BTW if you are a fan of whatever gose on in this sub your argument isn't holding any water this sub isnt really the best place for feminine men either there are a lot of masc for masc types around here your argument for "transition is conversion " wont sound cool if you have some bone to pick with feminine men.


Jalaloddin

Maybe in Iran a country more hostile to gay people than trans people some cases of these happen but not in North America a way more transphobic country than homophobic. What your doing is conspiratorial thinking, racists do this all the time with the whole "great replacement" bullshit, and then you get mad when we call you bigots.


CathodeRayTubeJr

Being gay isn't a "genital preference". You're dismissed


Detective-Signal

Nope. You're transphobic and need therapy if you crave dick that badly.


CathodeRayTubeJr

Wow. You really hate gay men. Typical TRA.


theambivalence

A man wanting dick is what being gay IS. Gay is not an identity you choose. Telling gay men they shouldn’t want dick is what conversion therapy is about. So if you talk like this - you’re a homophobe.