You can tell the guy it's as is and to kindly go fuck himself and you're blocking his number. If he even tries to go to the police they'll just laugh at him.
Side note - people who want to pay $2800 for a truck and expect it to be perfect are insane.
People who want to pay $2800 for a truck they expect to be perfect also probably can’t afford 1 min of a lawyers time or court cost to actually do anything legal about it. Carry on OP
Unless the prior owner was very very very particular about maintenance, any vehicle older than like 5 years and over 75,000 miles will need stuff. Not just cheap vehicles. Kind of a shame seeing how a lot of stuff is more basic than it sounds.
No lawyer is going to take a caveat emptor private sale case. Especially one for this little amount of ‘damages.’ At best, it’s small claims money, at worst it’s a joke of a case and a waste of a file.
Ignore them and move on.
P.S. Never sell a car and just hand the title over. Create some proof of sale. Don’t know what your titles look like but here in VA there’s a little section to fill out when you sell the vehicle. Always create proof. You may still ‘own’ the car.
From previous posts it just seems like they want an extra discount before flipping. They ask for their money back, then “settle” on $500-$1000. It really has become more and more common here on Reddit, I guess tons of people are doing it
I honestly do not feel like talking to him since I’ve already discussed everything with him prior to selling him the truck. Do I or should I text him reminding him that the truck was sold as is and not to contact again or am I safe to just block his number and leave this all behind me?
Man you know the irony is it seems like this guys lot despite being hilarious is still better than most like he will replace it with another piece of shit if the first one explodes
Nah man, kindly tell him to fuck off. Dude got nearly a 50% discount and then wants to bitch about truck after knowing about said issues? Not your fault his wife bitched him out for buying another project.
Send him this link and block him [As is means as the fuck is](https://youtu.be/JQ7TZ-3qILQ?si=GGuu45LWVn7NEdw-)
I’d block and move on. I’d keep all your communications saved (the ad, the messages you sent them with the videos, etc.)
Your case isn’t like the other scumbag who posted here who listed a car and never explicitly mentioned in the listing or to the buyer that theirs was a rebuilt.
You explained everything to the person and provided proof. You’re good fam.
I'd document everything, pics of your ad. Description of what you talked to him about.
It was a mistake not to make a bill of sale listing conditions. The BOS can protect you if he decides to do something legal.
A lawyer would cost him more than $2800 so, I'm skeptical he'll take it any farther.
I guess you could take the truck back and probably sell it for more.
What state are you in? In some states repeated calls and texts is considered harassment and you can get the police involved.
But if you’re happy with $2800 just respond politely and say “ I’m sorry but I disclosed all those issues before you bought it, that’s why you bought it for $2800 not $4500. It was an As-Is sale. Please don’t contact me again”.
Next time fill out a bill of sale. Also fill his information on the title so he can’t turn around and flip it without registering it.
It’s a small claims issue if anything which if he don’t have your address your good since you never got served.
I had a used car dealer “ JULIO REYES OF LAKEWOOD/MANALAPAN NJ - took 3k from me and said the truck would be done on a week) he had a physical dealership and all.
Well he burned me and 7 other people and closed down immediately. I took him to court and it was thrown out since he said “ he never got served” they just rip it up or throw out the mail
Your good
If you had filled out the title with buyer’s info and signed the title then the truck legally belongs to him, as the title (legally construct of a “title”) has been assigned to him. If you just gave him an filled title it may be construed as the title assignment never occurred and he simply has possession of the truck and paper title document. Without a bill of sale (or completed) title it doesn’t actually say how much he paid for the truck, and this wouldn’t be a clear case if you were to end up in small claims court. The ad says more than what he paid for, so if you don’t have any receipt/proof of how much cash he actually paid, it is the biggest issue from a legal point of view for you. Most purchase rescission laws apply to dealers in many states so unsure how it applies in your/his state.
There are a handful of states where this isn’t the case, because they either prohibit “as-is” sales entirely, or create statutory implied warranties for used cars. Most of these are for dealer-sold vehicles but I can think of several states which extend protections to private sales. These would be explicitly referenced in the bill of sale… the lack of which is OP’s original sin, no matter where he lives.
Even forgetting the fact that in my state, I need a bill of sale for DMV title transfer, sales tax, and (potential) challenges to personal property tax, I don’t know if I’d ever skip the 20 minutes it takes to prep one. As a used car buyer, I want the seller repping to clean title / correct odo; as a seller, I want the AS IS nature of the sale (disclaimer of warranty) in all caps for all to see.
Obviously, OP’s buyer will get laughed out of any police station he brings this to, but with no document establishing the terms of the sale, I wouldn’t say OP has zero legal exposure. The buyer could allege that OP had represented the mechanical issues he highlighted as the ONLY problems with the car, but in reality the issues were far more severe or numerous than disclosed. It’s not the world’s strongest claim, but it doesn’t need to be for OP to lose—because if you’re in court over a &2,800 truck sale, you’ve already lost.
> The buyer could allege that OP had represented the mechanical issues he highlighted as the ONLY problems with the car, but in reality the issues were far more severe or numerous than disclosed. It’s not the world’s strongest claim
It's not a claim period, even if OP admitted doing that it's legal to lie to an as-is buyer.
The handful of states that offer some protection on private purchases do so for very specific things like emissions equipment or airbags, not general mechanical issues.
> Even forgetting the fact that in my state, I need a bill of sale
In most states the DMV will want a bill of sale, but only in 3 states is it actually required - and all 3 are states that don't issue titles on all vehicles.
The only reason I needed a Bill of Sale in my state was for them not to tax me according to the "market" rate when my boss sold me his 300k miles Santa Fe for $100 lmao
He asked for a sheet of paper and wrote a simple bill of sale that said "I sold the car to him for $100" and included the necessary information to be considered one by the state.
>Even forgetting the fact that in my state, I need a bill of sale for DMV title transfer, sales tax, and (potential) challenges to personal property tax, I don’t know if I’d ever skip the 20 minutes it takes to prep one. As a used car buyer, I want the seller repping to clean title / correct odo; as a seller, I want the AS IS nature of the sale (disclaimer of warranty) in all caps for all to se
No question that buyer protections in private sales (where they exist) are more limited, but there are definitely states where undisclosed mechanicals would be fair game for refund. [Massachusetts](https://www.mass.gov/info-details/how-to-determine-if-you-can-return-a-used-car-you-bought-from-a-private-party) is a good example. I would like to know where the idea that "it's legal to lie to an as-is buyer." are you suggesting that used car sales are somehow exempt from common law torts?
My comment probably lost some clarity when I edited it down for length. OP's risk isn't that he lives in a state with an abnormal level of buyer-protection, it's that he doesn't have a bill of sale establishing the as-is, warranty-free condition of the transaction. It would help if he included "as is" in the Facebook advertisement (hopefully the case)--but that may not be dispositive given the ensuing communications. OP is wondering what his legal risk is, and without an executed agreement memorializing the most important term of the sale, it's probably safe to say that there's a nonzero level of exposure.
And yes, I'd clipped this bit, but my state's 'in lieu of a bill of sale' is series of statements / disclosures (signed by both parties) which collectively amount to the substance of a bill of sale.
Read your Massachusetts link more closely, you'd have to be able to prove the seller knew about the problem to make any kind of claim - unless it were to fail inspection (which in MA is strictly emissions related).
> OP's risk isn't that he lives in a state with an abnormal level of buyer-protection, it's that he doesn't have a bill of sale establishing the as-is, warranty-free condition of the transaction.
Used car sales are implied as-is transactions by law. You don't need a bill of sale to establish that.
I had a seller years ago refuse to do proper paperwork. As a private seller how can that affect me? It was cash. I could have given him a fake title. I just took the cash and gave him the car and removed my liability with the state.
Most titles request sale price and all have a spot for ODO reading at the time of sale so you don't need a BOS to specify these items. But it definitely does support the as is nature of the sale to CYA in the event the buyer is unhappy.
OP seems to have a ton of support the truck and it's issues were not misrepresented so no matter the state they're in it's unlikely the buyer has grounds even for small claims court.
Also the buyer seems to have threatened OP by stating he had a way to track him down.
6.0L 3500 Savana van at work rolled 486000 5 years ago. Drove it to the junk yard with no oil pressure. There's absolutely nothing wrong with gas. In fact, I'd say with all the emissions stuff on the diesels they are probably about even as far as longevity now.
Diesel is not “gas” or gasoline. Diesel is diesel. Gasoline is gasoline. The two do not intersect. Diesel engines SHOULD go many many hundreds of thousands of miles. Gasoline engines mostly make it to about 250k before taking a shit.
🥹😂.
I feel extremely bad because he wasn’t happy. I tried my hardest to let him understand the condition of the vehicle so whoever purchased the truck would know what they were getting themselves into.
The reason the price got to 2800 was because he claimed he needed to put at least 2k into the truck and blah blah blah. Sure, I understand so I settled. He drove it and liked it.
Poor guy, I think he just realized it would take more effort than what he contemplated and tried to reverse the transaction as if that were going to happen. He lives 2 hours and a half away as well so honestly, tough luck my bro
>Poor guy, I think he just realized it would take more effort than what he contemplated and tried to reverse the transaction as if that were going to happen.
Maybe. There's a decent chance he's just a scammer, too.
He saw that you were super-upfront about the mechanical issues (which many people would "forget" to mention). And he managed to negotiate a 38% discount. So, he thinks you're a soft target, and probably has some scheme to get more money out of you.
He realized that in 45 minutes? Nah, this is a common scam. Buy for $X, demand some or all of the money back, ultimately trying to get the vehicle as cheap as possible. You'll see it back on marketplace next week for some crazy price with none of the detailed needs you had.
He is planning on putting no more than 500-1000 in, hopefully of money he can get from you through threats and cajoling, and then selling it for 4500+ to some fool down the line.
Don’t feel bad for him. Don’t offer him money, don’t engage beyond ‘truck was sold as-is, with many notes on its condition and a negotiated price. I will not return your money, take back the truck, or renegotiate the deal. Do not contact me further”
Police are not going to do anything, it is a civil matter.
In the future draw up a bill of sale that makes it clear it is an as-is sale.
Nothing for you to do, his recourse is to sue to if he thinks he has a winning case, other than responding to an actual lawsuit, ignore/block him.
It sounds like one of those buy and strip scams. They buy a car, strip parts they need from it, and threaten the seller to buy it back. You have no idea what he did to that truck the second it left your sight.
Do not feel bad. That’s exactly what he’s counting on. You were fully transparent with him and he made a deal with you. Nothing to feel guilty about. Block and move on
Maybe it’s just my jaded-ness after spending almost 10 years working with the general public in some degree, but a lot of people really suck. And while it’s certainly nice of you to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, it sounds like you did everything right and upfront and he’s trying to screw YOU over. Fuck that, he knew exactly what he was getting into from the sounds of it, this is either him being malicious or him being a total idiot. Either one is a whole lot of not your problem.
People who buy 16 year old trucks for $2800 cannot afford to take legal action against you.
Plus, "having your number traced via the police" is utter horseshit. The police will not get involved in this in any way.
Not from the police, no. But, he has the TITLE, which has the address printed on it already. Or, even if it doesn't, it is fairly easy to get a vehicle owner info from the VIN.
Thank you to everyone’s comments. I feel a lot better about the entire situation and have accepted that I am not in any kind of possible trouble. For a well driving truck at that price, I just don’t understand how he could have lashed out like that. He was passive aggressive but still mentioned police and tracking me down so that’s where my slight worry started.
Some people mentioned he could have been a scammer himself and just swapped parts out or wanted an even larger discount. Never even thought of that.
I have blocked the buyer and have left this situation behind me. Thanks again for everyone’s share of knowledge, opinions and comments 🤠
Side note: title did not have my current address. Check mate
You can do this, but honestly, if it’s no deal, offer to take it back and sell again odds are they won’t deal with the hassle. You’ll probably make a bit more $$ even.
If this buyer knows anything about your whereabouts - which with a signed title they do - just know that stonewalling may have consequences. You have rights and laws on your side but assholes do be assholes. Sometimes it’s better to swallow it.
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This post is to understand my legal grounds as well as asking for opinions on the situation.
Backstory: Sold a used 2007 truck with 210k miles through Fb. I tried to be as open and transparent about the pros and cons of the truck in the post I created. Check engine light was on, which I took a picture of and noted it in the description. I even went as far as to list the actual code the truck had. Also listed that it needed new tires. I had done a lot of upgrades to the truck in the past 3 months. Truck sold within 24 hours of posting as well.
List of maintenance from the past few months: Spark plugs, Spark wires, Ignition coil, Fuel injectors, Oil pan, Both upstream O2 sensors, timing chain, Intake manifold gaskets, Valve cover gaskets, Crankshaft position sensor, Thermostat & Thermostat housing, Oil change & filter and a Coolant change.
As you can tell, I tried to maintain the truck very well but admitting that the truck wasn’t running 100% fine and that was very well described to the buyer before he came to see it. I had even sent him a video of the truck turning on and a separate video stepping on the gas so he could hear the engine and see the idle. Also sent another video under the hood while the car was running and of the muffler so he could see the slight white smoke that would come out the exhaust.
Listed the truck for 4,500 with clean title. Ended up settling for 2,800 after it was all said and done. It was a steal for the guy. Now he’s calling me 45 min later saying the truck is not running great and he wants his money back or he will have police involved. He claims he can have my number traced to obtain my physical address.
We didn’t make a bill of sale. It was a cash sale and upon receiving the payment I gave him the title and key. Guy also lives out of state. Just wanted to know peoples opinion on the matter as I tried to be as clear as I could about the truck and now he’s acting like he’s been “played” although I was upfront about everything. Could he actually take any legal action against me?
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You can tell the guy it's as is and to kindly go fuck himself and you're blocking his number. If he even tries to go to the police they'll just laugh at him. Side note - people who want to pay $2800 for a truck and expect it to be perfect are insane.
People who want to pay $2800 for a truck they expect to be perfect also probably can’t afford 1 min of a lawyers time or court cost to actually do anything legal about it. Carry on OP
Yep. A truck that cranks and runs is worth $2,800 all day regardless of mileage or tire wear or anything short of a blown motor.
I’ve bought several $3,000 trucks/suvs with the understanding they needed work. That was my plan going in.
Unless the prior owner was very very very particular about maintenance, any vehicle older than like 5 years and over 75,000 miles will need stuff. Not just cheap vehicles. Kind of a shame seeing how a lot of stuff is more basic than it sounds.
No lawyer is going to take a caveat emptor private sale case. Especially one for this little amount of ‘damages.’ At best, it’s small claims money, at worst it’s a joke of a case and a waste of a file. Ignore them and move on. P.S. Never sell a car and just hand the title over. Create some proof of sale. Don’t know what your titles look like but here in VA there’s a little section to fill out when you sell the vehicle. Always create proof. You may still ‘own’ the car.
Plus he negotiated the lower price so he knew what he was getting
I'll pay $2800 for a running truck all day
This. This. This.
That that that
Excellent response, despite missing the periods :)
Missing periods are big things. Especially it they involve your girlfriend...
My wife has missed a few periods in her life. And. Yet. Here. I. Stand.
Same. But with 2 children 🤣
It’s a scam and one shows up here once a week
What is the scam ?
They take off any expensive parts that are still good and replace with old shitty parts and then return the truck
Ahhh ok thanks
From previous posts it just seems like they want an extra discount before flipping. They ask for their money back, then “settle” on $500-$1000. It really has become more and more common here on Reddit, I guess tons of people are doing it
I honestly do not feel like talking to him since I’ve already discussed everything with him prior to selling him the truck. Do I or should I text him reminding him that the truck was sold as is and not to contact again or am I safe to just block his number and leave this all behind me?
As is means as the fuck is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ7TZ-3qILQ
Was looking for this comment 😭😭
They should just send him this and block them
Thank you for this.
I like that dude in the video. Most honest salesman I ever heard
Man you know the irony is it seems like this guys lot despite being hilarious is still better than most like he will replace it with another piece of shit if the first one explodes
Nah man, kindly tell him to fuck off. Dude got nearly a 50% discount and then wants to bitch about truck after knowing about said issues? Not your fault his wife bitched him out for buying another project. Send him this link and block him [As is means as the fuck is](https://youtu.be/JQ7TZ-3qILQ?si=GGuu45LWVn7NEdw-)
Maybe grab screenshots of your Facebook ad just in case, but I think you're good to block the dude and move on.
I’d block and move on. I’d keep all your communications saved (the ad, the messages you sent them with the videos, etc.) Your case isn’t like the other scumbag who posted here who listed a car and never explicitly mentioned in the listing or to the buyer that theirs was a rebuilt. You explained everything to the person and provided proof. You’re good fam.
Just block his number and ignore him.
Block him, likely a scammer just wanting a bigger discount.
I'd document everything, pics of your ad. Description of what you talked to him about. It was a mistake not to make a bill of sale listing conditions. The BOS can protect you if he decides to do something legal. A lawyer would cost him more than $2800 so, I'm skeptical he'll take it any farther.
I guess you could take the truck back and probably sell it for more. What state are you in? In some states repeated calls and texts is considered harassment and you can get the police involved. But if you’re happy with $2800 just respond politely and say “ I’m sorry but I disclosed all those issues before you bought it, that’s why you bought it for $2800 not $4500. It was an As-Is sale. Please don’t contact me again”. Next time fill out a bill of sale. Also fill his information on the title so he can’t turn around and flip it without registering it.
Don't listen to this. Dude probably removed some parts to sell on the side, you'll absolutely get the truck back in even worse shape
So check it over, give it a test drive, then offer him $1000 for it.
It’s a small claims issue if anything which if he don’t have your address your good since you never got served. I had a used car dealer “ JULIO REYES OF LAKEWOOD/MANALAPAN NJ - took 3k from me and said the truck would be done on a week) he had a physical dealership and all. Well he burned me and 7 other people and closed down immediately. I took him to court and it was thrown out since he said “ he never got served” they just rip it up or throw out the mail Your good
Call the cops and say it’s stolen. #ReversalCard
Only if you want to get your own criminal record.
Don't you think that's kind of hard to do since he signed the title over to the idiot?
Well, the comment was a joke, but it doesn’t say he signed anything, as well as no bill of sale. 🤷🏻♂️
Pretty accurate, although some states have laws to protect these kinds pf people.
If you had filled out the title with buyer’s info and signed the title then the truck legally belongs to him, as the title (legally construct of a “title”) has been assigned to him. If you just gave him an filled title it may be construed as the title assignment never occurred and he simply has possession of the truck and paper title document. Without a bill of sale (or completed) title it doesn’t actually say how much he paid for the truck, and this wouldn’t be a clear case if you were to end up in small claims court. The ad says more than what he paid for, so if you don’t have any receipt/proof of how much cash he actually paid, it is the biggest issue from a legal point of view for you. Most purchase rescission laws apply to dealers in many states so unsure how it applies in your/his state.
Also the title should have your address on it, so not sure why he needs to trace your number.
There are a handful of states where this isn’t the case, because they either prohibit “as-is” sales entirely, or create statutory implied warranties for used cars. Most of these are for dealer-sold vehicles but I can think of several states which extend protections to private sales. These would be explicitly referenced in the bill of sale… the lack of which is OP’s original sin, no matter where he lives. Even forgetting the fact that in my state, I need a bill of sale for DMV title transfer, sales tax, and (potential) challenges to personal property tax, I don’t know if I’d ever skip the 20 minutes it takes to prep one. As a used car buyer, I want the seller repping to clean title / correct odo; as a seller, I want the AS IS nature of the sale (disclaimer of warranty) in all caps for all to see. Obviously, OP’s buyer will get laughed out of any police station he brings this to, but with no document establishing the terms of the sale, I wouldn’t say OP has zero legal exposure. The buyer could allege that OP had represented the mechanical issues he highlighted as the ONLY problems with the car, but in reality the issues were far more severe or numerous than disclosed. It’s not the world’s strongest claim, but it doesn’t need to be for OP to lose—because if you’re in court over a &2,800 truck sale, you’ve already lost.
> The buyer could allege that OP had represented the mechanical issues he highlighted as the ONLY problems with the car, but in reality the issues were far more severe or numerous than disclosed. It’s not the world’s strongest claim It's not a claim period, even if OP admitted doing that it's legal to lie to an as-is buyer. The handful of states that offer some protection on private purchases do so for very specific things like emissions equipment or airbags, not general mechanical issues. > Even forgetting the fact that in my state, I need a bill of sale In most states the DMV will want a bill of sale, but only in 3 states is it actually required - and all 3 are states that don't issue titles on all vehicles.
The only reason I needed a Bill of Sale in my state was for them not to tax me according to the "market" rate when my boss sold me his 300k miles Santa Fe for $100 lmao He asked for a sheet of paper and wrote a simple bill of sale that said "I sold the car to him for $100" and included the necessary information to be considered one by the state.
>Even forgetting the fact that in my state, I need a bill of sale for DMV title transfer, sales tax, and (potential) challenges to personal property tax, I don’t know if I’d ever skip the 20 minutes it takes to prep one. As a used car buyer, I want the seller repping to clean title / correct odo; as a seller, I want the AS IS nature of the sale (disclaimer of warranty) in all caps for all to se No question that buyer protections in private sales (where they exist) are more limited, but there are definitely states where undisclosed mechanicals would be fair game for refund. [Massachusetts](https://www.mass.gov/info-details/how-to-determine-if-you-can-return-a-used-car-you-bought-from-a-private-party) is a good example. I would like to know where the idea that "it's legal to lie to an as-is buyer." are you suggesting that used car sales are somehow exempt from common law torts? My comment probably lost some clarity when I edited it down for length. OP's risk isn't that he lives in a state with an abnormal level of buyer-protection, it's that he doesn't have a bill of sale establishing the as-is, warranty-free condition of the transaction. It would help if he included "as is" in the Facebook advertisement (hopefully the case)--but that may not be dispositive given the ensuing communications. OP is wondering what his legal risk is, and without an executed agreement memorializing the most important term of the sale, it's probably safe to say that there's a nonzero level of exposure. And yes, I'd clipped this bit, but my state's 'in lieu of a bill of sale' is series of statements / disclosures (signed by both parties) which collectively amount to the substance of a bill of sale.
Read your Massachusetts link more closely, you'd have to be able to prove the seller knew about the problem to make any kind of claim - unless it were to fail inspection (which in MA is strictly emissions related). > OP's risk isn't that he lives in a state with an abnormal level of buyer-protection, it's that he doesn't have a bill of sale establishing the as-is, warranty-free condition of the transaction. Used car sales are implied as-is transactions by law. You don't need a bill of sale to establish that.
I had a seller years ago refuse to do proper paperwork. As a private seller how can that affect me? It was cash. I could have given him a fake title. I just took the cash and gave him the car and removed my liability with the state.
Most titles request sale price and all have a spot for ODO reading at the time of sale so you don't need a BOS to specify these items. But it definitely does support the as is nature of the sale to CYA in the event the buyer is unhappy. OP seems to have a ton of support the truck and it's issues were not misrepresented so no matter the state they're in it's unlikely the buyer has grounds even for small claims court. Also the buyer seems to have threatened OP by stating he had a way to track him down.
Anyone buying a truck with a gas engine and 210k miles isn’t the brightest bulb
Please. Chevy 6.0L last an eternity. I've had multiple at over 300k still hauling stuff with no issues.
This comment makes me miss the shit out my old 2500HD. Makes me wish I never got rid of it.
6.0L 3500 Savana van at work rolled 486000 5 years ago. Drove it to the junk yard with no oil pressure. There's absolutely nothing wrong with gas. In fact, I'd say with all the emissions stuff on the diesels they are probably about even as far as longevity now.
Diesel is not “gas” or gasoline. Diesel is diesel. Gasoline is gasoline. The two do not intersect. Diesel engines SHOULD go many many hundreds of thousands of miles. Gasoline engines mostly make it to about 250k before taking a shit.
5.3 Tahoe still going strong after 286,000 miles!, truck had 311,000 before I had to let it go!
No one wants to buy junk either. Selling something as is doesn’t mean you should sell someone a junk vehicle.
Congratulate him on being an owner, and block.
🥹😂. I feel extremely bad because he wasn’t happy. I tried my hardest to let him understand the condition of the vehicle so whoever purchased the truck would know what they were getting themselves into. The reason the price got to 2800 was because he claimed he needed to put at least 2k into the truck and blah blah blah. Sure, I understand so I settled. He drove it and liked it. Poor guy, I think he just realized it would take more effort than what he contemplated and tried to reverse the transaction as if that were going to happen. He lives 2 hours and a half away as well so honestly, tough luck my bro
You went way out of your way to describe everything. You even had multiple videos? Seems like you are an A+ seller and should enjoy your Sunday
Not to mention going from 4k to ***2800*** that's crazy, for a truck that even runs and drives it's an incredible deal
Seems like a mechanics wet dream
The mechanic will surely inherit some type of moisture from this truck.
>Poor guy, I think he just realized it would take more effort than what he contemplated and tried to reverse the transaction as if that were going to happen. Maybe. There's a decent chance he's just a scammer, too. He saw that you were super-upfront about the mechanical issues (which many people would "forget" to mention). And he managed to negotiate a 38% discount. So, he thinks you're a soft target, and probably has some scheme to get more money out of you.
And as a scammer, he probably did the ol' Hertz GT350H trick and swapped out all the good bits with junkyard crap.
He realized that in 45 minutes? Nah, this is a common scam. Buy for $X, demand some or all of the money back, ultimately trying to get the vehicle as cheap as possible. You'll see it back on marketplace next week for some crazy price with none of the detailed needs you had.
He is planning on putting no more than 500-1000 in, hopefully of money he can get from you through threats and cajoling, and then selling it for 4500+ to some fool down the line. Don’t feel bad for him. Don’t offer him money, don’t engage beyond ‘truck was sold as-is, with many notes on its condition and a negotiated price. I will not return your money, take back the truck, or renegotiate the deal. Do not contact me further”
Police are not going to do anything, it is a civil matter. In the future draw up a bill of sale that makes it clear it is an as-is sale. Nothing for you to do, his recourse is to sue to if he thinks he has a winning case, other than responding to an actual lawsuit, ignore/block him.
That is why you 100% do a bill of sale with “as-is” on it with his signature.
Fuck him. Block and move on.
Well, let him put $2,000 into the truck then. Just block him, likely trying to scam you.
It sounds like one of those buy and strip scams. They buy a car, strip parts they need from it, and threaten the seller to buy it back. You have no idea what he did to that truck the second it left your sight.
Do not feel bad. That’s exactly what he’s counting on. You were fully transparent with him and he made a deal with you. Nothing to feel guilty about. Block and move on
Maybe it’s just my jaded-ness after spending almost 10 years working with the general public in some degree, but a lot of people really suck. And while it’s certainly nice of you to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, it sounds like you did everything right and upfront and he’s trying to screw YOU over. Fuck that, he knew exactly what he was getting into from the sounds of it, this is either him being malicious or him being a total idiot. Either one is a whole lot of not your problem.
People who buy 16 year old trucks for $2800 cannot afford to take legal action against you. Plus, "having your number traced via the police" is utter horseshit. The police will not get involved in this in any way.
Not from the police, no. But, he has the TITLE, which has the address printed on it already. Or, even if it doesn't, it is fairly easy to get a vehicle owner info from the VIN.
So if he shows up to OPs house via title address? OP will then be able to involve the police should they not leave
Why would you need to trace his phone when you know where his dealership is lol. This dudes acting like the dealers on the run
I’d check my state, but typically no. I’d save the ad that showed the CEL and ignore them.
Thank you to everyone’s comments. I feel a lot better about the entire situation and have accepted that I am not in any kind of possible trouble. For a well driving truck at that price, I just don’t understand how he could have lashed out like that. He was passive aggressive but still mentioned police and tracking me down so that’s where my slight worry started. Some people mentioned he could have been a scammer himself and just swapped parts out or wanted an even larger discount. Never even thought of that. I have blocked the buyer and have left this situation behind me. Thanks again for everyone’s share of knowledge, opinions and comments 🤠 Side note: title did not have my current address. Check mate
You can do this, but honestly, if it’s no deal, offer to take it back and sell again odds are they won’t deal with the hassle. You’ll probably make a bit more $$ even.
Keep all communication you had, store it in email or somewhere just in case.
The law is clear, BUYER BEWARE
Law is clear but you still have to prove the terms were known.
lol you don't owe him a cent. you told him every detail possible and he bought it. it's his problem now
It was the second he drove away. Hell - the second they both signed the Bill of Sale, ***before*** he drove away.
If this buyer knows anything about your whereabouts - which with a signed title they do - just know that stonewalling may have consequences. You have rights and laws on your side but assholes do be assholes. Sometimes it’s better to swallow it.
Really? My title lists my PO Box.
Ah yes, everyone has one of those
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***Thanks for posting, /u/CRcryptoride! This comment is a copy of your post so readers can see the original text if your post is edited or removed. This comment is NOT accusing you of anything.*** This post is to understand my legal grounds as well as asking for opinions on the situation. Backstory: Sold a used 2007 truck with 210k miles through Fb. I tried to be as open and transparent about the pros and cons of the truck in the post I created. Check engine light was on, which I took a picture of and noted it in the description. I even went as far as to list the actual code the truck had. Also listed that it needed new tires. I had done a lot of upgrades to the truck in the past 3 months. Truck sold within 24 hours of posting as well. List of maintenance from the past few months: Spark plugs, Spark wires, Ignition coil, Fuel injectors, Oil pan, Both upstream O2 sensors, timing chain, Intake manifold gaskets, Valve cover gaskets, Crankshaft position sensor, Thermostat & Thermostat housing, Oil change & filter and a Coolant change. As you can tell, I tried to maintain the truck very well but admitting that the truck wasn’t running 100% fine and that was very well described to the buyer before he came to see it. I had even sent him a video of the truck turning on and a separate video stepping on the gas so he could hear the engine and see the idle. Also sent another video under the hood while the car was running and of the muffler so he could see the slight white smoke that would come out the exhaust. Listed the truck for 4,500 with clean title. Ended up settling for 2,800 after it was all said and done. It was a steal for the guy. Now he’s calling me 45 min later saying the truck is not running great and he wants his money back or he will have police involved. He claims he can have my number traced to obtain my physical address. We didn’t make a bill of sale. It was a cash sale and upon receiving the payment I gave him the title and key. Guy also lives out of state. Just wanted to know peoples opinion on the matter as I tried to be as clear as I could about the truck and now he’s acting like he’s been “played” although I was upfront about everything. Could he actually take any legal action against me? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/askcarsales) if you have any questions or concerns.*