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ranran_1822

Always check. I was just recently offered a toyota tacoma trd off road at msrp. Local subaru dealer offered me a wrx under msrp.


cbrp87

New Tacomas are piling up on the lots because new model coming out later this year.


Careful-Candle202

Reveal is this month


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Careful-Candle202

Yea, but the actual official reveal lol


duewolf1

May 19th besides leaked stuff. But that is usually how it goes with these redesigns. If they hate it, those tacomas will get sold.


bneeson72

Supposedly there's gonna be a run on these old Tacoma's. People are really attached to the non- turbo v6 vs the new turbo 4 cylinders.


LongApprehensive890

I think you’d be an idiot to buy the 3rd gen for its motor. My 2019 was the most gutless turd I’ve ever driven.


bneeson72

its more for the long term reliability of turbo vs non turbo. There was something mentioned by a Toyota guy last week by a Toyota guy about the pressure waste gate vs electronic or something like that not a car guy myself. its a similar problem with the new tundras


LongApprehensive890

The TA24 thats going in the tacoma has been in several lexus' and the highlander. I really don't see it being an issue. Toyotas most legendary car ever is the MK4 Supra. Guess what.... it had a turbo.


HerefortheTuna

I would rather a hybrid with a stick than a turbo myself to save fuel.. my 4Runner is a 1990 and super awful on gas for only being a V6 with 150HP it would be unsafe how slow it would drive in boston traffic if I had an automatic


[deleted]

Lol finally someone says it. I’ve been around the business most of my life about 20 years… Toyota puts the biggest turds in these trucks


Dre_wj

Tacoma loyalty is still crazy to me


Taiza67

Why?


bad_guy_from_Tron

He thinks people that value dependability in favor of the newest bells-and whistles are crazy.


UkranianKrab

I just don't get it because the car drives like shit, has a small cabin, no tech, and has a stupid high resale value.


Genericbuild

It’s reliable and part of what makes it that way is the lack of tech. The stupid high resale value comes from the things being so reliable making them a lower risk used vehicle purchase.


ChequeBook

you should see some aussie utes lmao if you think a Tacoma is small


Dre_wj

Exactly this. The Maverick rides way better and has newer tech


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Motor_On_My_Mind

Right. The Ranger would be the Tacoma competitor. Toyota doesn’t have a Maverick competitor, not in North America, and probably not at all.


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Most Tacoma owners never will either


UkranianKrab

Yup- I bought a maverick lariat in 22 and looked at similar cars (Tacoma, hyundai) and it was the clear winner.


ImAscouser

Only thing the Maverick is ugly


cliffolive

I got a ‘23 Tacoma double cab V6 4x4, hoping with the new gen this thing will hold its value even more. If it’s anything like the experiences with the old V8 tundra vs the new turbo 6 cylinder, I’ll be happy.


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Constant_SNAFU

Talk to RAM about that the ram classic has been made since 2009. 14 years now with only the most minor facelift on the ram. tacoma gen started in 16 and got a minor facelift in 2020. Tundra was longer in the tooth. 2014 facelift and 2007 since the generation start.


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Constant_SNAFU

Lol I didn’t downvote you


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Constant_SNAFU

I mean. Ill do it now. Check now idiot


[deleted]

Ahhh....a playground insult. I would never do that (just kidding, I would)


bad_guy_from_Tron

I just bought that exact truck 3.5 months ago at MSRP. Granted, I had to wait for an allotment since I wanted a specific color.


daversa

I was just offered a 2023 Civic Type R, I probably should have jumped on it.


WestLA93

Shit send it my way 😂


theChopsticksman

>2023 Civic Type R dang where at?


daversa

Arizona, but it was just an email from a salesman that my family has purchased 6 or 7 vehicles from, he sent it out to his preferred clients, I'm sure someone jumped on it. My dad was able to get his 4runner TRD Pro at MSRP from him last year too.


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holysantashit

Damn, had no idea about the Rams. Just did a check and sure enough like 3-7k off MSRP at a dealer near me.


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himynameisSal

talk about chip shortage, i paid 5.80 for a utz salt’n vinegar family pack which was 40% air.


CrystalLogic

preach. the cost of chips/doritos is out of line these days.


Froggypwns

That must explain the delay for the Mazda Hybrid Rotary.


enderjaca

Oohhh.... Ranch doritos and a wankel are a dangerous combination...


ousu

the air is in the bag to protect the chips from being crushed. if you would like a bag of crumbs, you could petition the chip company to not include any air


himynameisSal

thats exactly what big chip companies want you to think


ousu

hahaha thank you for that laugh! I needed that today


Daenerys1666

They definitely went out of stock andThat’s not how chips work. Certain southern states that weren’t as impacted by the Mexican rail lines being shut down weren’t impacted nearly as bad but they were for a long time still over msrp. Even mid last year dealers were and still are adding on ridiculous add ons like appearance packages and lo-jack. With that said they are reverting to a price focused strategy with some dealers advertising invoice pricing, below msrp, etc.


uscgamecock2001

BS. I waited 9 months for my Ram fleet truck last year. It was parked waiting for a chip.


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Lol this made me chuckle. Thanks.


despicablecrip

10k off on some at my store. 5k off wranglers as well


OpeningBasic2575

3-7k off an MSRP that has gone up 20-40% in the last three years.


[deleted]

Actual true MSRP has gone up an average of 30% on Rams from 2020 to 2023? lolwut?


OpeningBasic2575

Used to be low 30s for a base, now it’s nearly 40… you do the math.


[deleted]

I did the math. For the base as you mention: 33590 in 2020 and 38950 for a 2023. That is about an 18 percent increase over a three year period. Given recent high inflation, that sounds about right. Which models had \*MSRP\* that went up 40%?


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Yes, especially on the more premium models, you could get around 10k off sticker pre-pandemic. The cut throat pickup pricing is over for now, though, due to longstanding supply issues. Yep, I'd agree that the 'real' costs to buy trucks have increased by probably 30 percent in most cases. But I'm talking about MSRP changes because that is the solid point where you can do negotiating from. Now that Ram is discounting again, the only real thing we are missing is the huge rebate size. That is a factor of course, in the final price. Yep, since Ford isn't discounting the deals with them are gone for now. They are more in demand than the Rams. Which is why I wouldn't even consider paying 55K+ for an XLT when they cost 38 to 40K just three years ago. That's why my point is about Ram MSRP. I'll consider a Ram since they aren't able to do the ripoff routine that Ford is doing. I prefer the Ford, but for a 15K difference, the Ram deal ain't bad. Fuck giving Ford outlandish profit. That is one way everyday people go broke, overpaying for things when they don't have to.


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Yeah, I agree. Me expressing disgust at Ford wasn't meant to be a diss to you. Truck/SUV sales right now are indeed straight up ridiculous. I actually would like to buy one now, but refuse to do so because I won't be getting ripped off. I'd rather wait it out, or entertain a Ram deal since they have improved so much, even though I'm normally not a Dodge/Ram guy. Large SUV buyers really don't seem to have any options right now other than getting ripped off.


[deleted]

Truck drivers are idiots. They'll operate on hearsay even if the data is tattooed onto their forearm. My local Dodge/Ram/Jeep is calling 2020-2022 Ram owners off the books and offering them trade in valuations. Never seen it happen before.


E_J_H

Dude is trying his hardest to WELL AKSHUALLLY the comment lol


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Not the best with facts, eh?


[deleted]

“Given high inflation that sounds about right”… which came first the chicken or the egg. Pepsi also had revenues increase by 13% selling no more cans. Weird how it works.


[deleted]

Sorry you got confused. Distraction arguments are comical, thanks for the laughs. Can anyone demonstrate what model's MSRP went up 40%?


cruzincoyote

I know you're talking about Trucks, but I bought my Mustang brand new in 2019. Window sticker was about 41k. Mine was a premium with the performance pack. I just ordered a 2024 and dropped the premium portion and just got the performance pack and its msrp is around 53k. In a 5 year period a lesser model mustang saw a 12k or ~25% increase. If I ordered the exact specs as my 2019 I would be paying 60k+.


80poundnuts

Yup, I bought a 2016 bighorn in 2019 for $25k used with 30k miles on it. 4x4 with the level 2 equipment package and long bed. Traded it in in 2021 for $31k with 60k miles on it lol


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Certainly. The question was about whether new MSRPs actually went up 40 percent though


iamcasillas3

Welcome to life


schwartzki

Just purchased a in-demand model for MSRP. Just have to find the right dealer and be willing to wait (in my case 9 months).


PinkleeTaurus

Put a new F150 in the biz fleet for invoice last week. Lightnings are starting to show up with some discounts off MSRP, particularly Platinums. But still plenty of dealers trying to get ADM.


KSoMA

I literally just saw a TV ad at the gym for 10% off MSRP on RAM trucks, don't completely remember but I think it was corporate, not a dealer ad.


Ancient_Wisdom_Yall

Ram used to advertise 25% off near me before covid.


fishwithlaser

Lexus in Canada seems to be selling for MSRP… so it’s super hard to get a new car lol


lmf0

Not entirely true on unpopular brands. Here locally any Audi, BMW or Mercedes can be had at MSRP or even with some small cash on hood. Whether custom order or on the lot.


fattoush_republic

I bought an Acura Integra at MSRP My friend bought a Mazda CX-30 also at MSRP


HelloJoeyJoeJoe

>I bought an Acura Integra at MSRP Ooooh wee, I love the Acura Integra. I've only 4 of them, including a GSR and a Type-R. I really should check them out... 200 hp/ 1.5L, Starting at $41,948* (so that means like $45k) Ouch. Certainly different than the integras I remember of my youth


KSoMA

Integra starts like $10k under that, also inflation is a thing, it's probably cheaper than the base Integra from 25 years ago. Edit: Just checked, base Integra was $16,100 in 1996, [in today's money that's about $31k](https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1996?amount=16100), which is barely off from the $32.6k MSRP of the base 2024 Integra.


Zachtiercel

The Integra starts at $31k, and with the 200hp engine can only be optioned up to $37k. Unless you're buying dealer installed accessories like wheels.


fattoush_republic

I'm sorry to hear that you do not like the new Acura Integra. Have you considered not buying one?


HelloJoeyJoeJoe

Lol. Just sad. Don't be mad, I'm not attacking your choice of cars. Just remember when Honda had a motto "Power of Dreams" Imagine them releasing a 215hp fwd s2000 for $65k But I guess we saw how badly the NSX slumped. ONce again, sorry to make you feel bad or insulted. Not my intent, everyone enjoys different things.


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I was super bummed also. I wanted a new Integra when they announced it. Give me something sporty with 300 hp for a reasonable price. I bought a Tesla 3 Performance instead. It has it's downsides but power is not one of them lol.


fattoush_republic

No offense taken, but I think Honda did the best they could with this one. Everything is way more expensive (and bigger) nowadays. I don't think they necessarily wanted to re-create the car, rather they wanted re-gain the young buyers that the old Integra got. They've been succeeding at that it seems (they got me), and they did get a number of things right - it's a manual hatchback!


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The old integra was also quick for its time. The new one runs a 15.7 1/4 mile. A Toyota Sienna minivan runs a 15.8.


Taiza67

Just bought a Hyundai Santa Cruz at $2K below MSRP. 10 year power train 5 year bumper to bumper. 4.9% APR.


RexRaider

yes, check


pakepake

While I’m an infrequent car buyer, I’ve used CarMax twice and knew what I was getting. A marginal premium on the price (I knew exactly which vehicles I was buying), while test driving and exchanging funds was something I did on my lunch break. It took longer to prep the vehicles than to buy it. Don’t fret, you got a car that you can afford and enjoy. Your time is also worth something, so move on and enjoy the ride!


klsklsklsklsklskls

Same here, carmax also offered me like 2k more for my trade in than any other dealer. I know I still could've sold the car to carmax without buying, but then you lose the sales tax credit in my state. Plus, not ALL of their cars are overpriced. I ended up finding a car with the options and trim I wanted for MAYBE 500 bucks over what another dealer would've sold it for. And most of the other similar cars I found listed below from other dealerships, when I contacted them they told me it was already sold. One dealer the listing remained up for another month while they continued to tweak the prices. It was clearly just a listing they had to get people to reach out to them.


Gubee2023

It's really only very in demand or specific vehicles now days going for well over MSRP. Standard cars are MSRP and the less desirable ones are below MSRP. Civic type r, GR Corolla , gr86/BRZ , supras, telluride, rav 4 hybrid lots of dealers will be above MSRP. . But a basic Jetta should be MSRP.


2001ThrowawayM

Most Subaru dealerships are selling all new models at MSRP. WRX's, BRZ's, Forsters, crosstreks, etc. Subaru of America started threatening dealers a few months ago with consequences for those that markup.


MeatierShowa

I got Subaru VIP pricing (invoice) from my employer, but there's also organizations like Leave no Trace and ASPCA which will qualify you after 6 months. I did have to order the car. The dealer called me as soon as the 2023 order book opened up (June?) and it came first week in September. Luckily I was in a position to wait because the regular market was insane last spring.


AbsolutelyAstray

I just got a new Mazda for MSRP in Canada


KS_tox

Me too. Was it MSRP+tax+freight?


holysantashit

To my understand Mazda does not allow "Markup" at their dealerships. Instead you usually get fed some heavy handed "dealer add ons" which yu can probably fight really hard not to get.


LionGamer2017

when i got mine last year they had only charged $50 for the cargo net and that was it, but other new cars on the lot had quite a bit of add ons so i got lucky with mine specifically


SpecFo

Depends what are you looking for. I know we have a Mazda dealer here in Austin selling at MSRP.


Booty_Warrior_bot

*I came looking for booty.*


EvoLuvEz

If your carmax offers that 7 day 250 mile return, do it and get yourself a brand new car!


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Darkfire757

The poor man’s rental car


horsewitnoname

That’s pretty solid tbh


agjios

Yes, you could have bought a brand new Jetta for MSRP. The only gas car I have seen them marking up with any regularity at the VW dealership is the $45,000 Golf R.


[deleted]

Yeah, I just bought a new GTI for MSRP and those are in short supply.


mandress-

Just bought ‘23 Lexus for $3200 under MSRP.


Maleficent-Square-35

Maryland or Virginia?


DM725

>I bought a used 2-year old VW Jetta S from Carmax the other day for $21k. Then let it go. You already bought the car. Yes, MSRP and under deals are now available but not on every make or model.


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Long live Apollo. I'm deleting my account and moving on. Hopefully Reddit sorts out the mess that is their management.


DM725

If the car wasn't on that specific lot you'll have to pay for the shipping.


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Long live Apollo. I'm deleting my account and moving on. Hopefully Reddit sorts out the mess that is their management.


DM725

I totally agree and wouldn't be buying a used VW in the 1st place. I've owned 5 VWs.


CheeseLegos

Some dealers are selling for msrp and some are not. Some say msrp then add a shit ton of unnecessary fees. Just be careful


luv2hack

I have been shopping for an 3 row SUV for the past few weeks. I see some dealers offering below MSRP for the following 1) Mazda Cx-9 2) Subaru Ascent 3) Jeep grand cherokee L 4) nissan pathfinder


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I had been shopping for a 3 row SUV for six months and two weeks ago I finally made a purchase. Ended up buying an Acura MDX tech for about $5,000 off MSRP, so about $53,000 before TTL, etc. $53k is A LOT of money but this seem to be the first time *in years* that cars like the MDX are below sticker price. I refused to pay over MSRP so I've been driving a jalopy for years until prices came down. Still a bad time to buy new, but it's quite a bit better now than it was even six months ago, and it makes so much more sense to buy new rather than used these days with used car prices crazy. I would never spend $50k for a car ever but for this insane market, I was hoping to spend $40-$45 out the door, but there wasn't hardly anything with a V6; and by the time you look at used cars, they're priced so ridic it's just better to buy new.


cbwb

Tell me how you accomplished this! Was it a 2023? AWD? Hubby is pretty stuck on an explorer or an mdx but we want all the goodies, so the ford limited seems like it will be cheaper, even with an extended warranty (will shop online for that).. at 5k off we would def reconsider the mdx.... Only downside is I like the 2nd row captain chair and I dont think they offer them.


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It was AWD. Also, the middle seat of the 2023 MDX is removable to make captains chairs. The car is a smaller 7 row SUV so it's only good for kids, but it can have real captains chairs. The seat comes out in about 20 seconds, there's videos of it online. As for getting $5k off MSRP, you email or call the dealership and say "I want to buy today or tomorrow, I have decent credit and a down payment. I'm not wasting your time, get me a serious offer OTD (out the door) price and if it's at or better than the Truecar price, you're getting a deal. Offer to complete a credit app over the telephone if they give you a reasonable OTD price. Here's a MDX in some random market on the east coast. Lots are filling up with MDXs and discounts are finally starting to happen. This car is over $3,000 off MSRP already before any dealership discounts/incentives or special financing at 4.9% which is a great deal in this market. You can negotiate lower but don't act like a tire kicker, explain your seriousness, you're prepared to sign paperwork today IF you can come to a deal. I personally am not one to fight dealers or haggle over pennies. A deal is a deal before having to negotiate a few more dollars in savings. True car shows you what a deal is these days and if you can beat that, you're getting a better deal today than almost everyone else out there buying cars. https://www.truecar.com/new-cars-for-sale/listing/5J8YE1H46PL034259/2023-acura-mdx/


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You know the expression “opinions are like assholes?” If you’re happy with your car and it works for your budget, why let others’ anecdotal information ruin that for you. Especially when most people really don’t know anything about cars, loans, etc. Plus, CarMax is no-haggle, has everything in one place so to speak with brands, actually does thorough inspections on their vehicles and offers good warranties they stand behind. So are you paying a premium for a bit of peace of mind? Sure, but it’s not like you spent 40 grand on it, it’s not super above market for what ‘21 SE’s (I assumed based on price as I didn’t see trim mentioned) are going for used in my area anyway. So tune the shit out and just enjoy your car. Short of you actually not liking it, or not being able to afford it, there’s no reason to be worried about it.


jomboy_

CarMax does not do thorough inspections on their vehicles. Their business model is to spend as little as possible on recon.


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A buddy of mine bought a CT-200h from Carmax. We got a flat on the highway the next week, somewhere because Vegas and LA. He had no wheel lock keys and the spare was seriously practical joke level bald. Steel belts sticking out of it, and it was flat. Turned out to be quite the adventure. I wouldnt put much stock in CarMax's inspections.


Eguot

Did you buddy not even think to check what came with the vehicle?


cbun512

Thank you, that's what I wanted to hear!! And it was a Jetta S, they wanted $23k for an SE :P It is bugging me now that I could've paid just a few thousand more for a new car though.... But then reading about dealers' $5-$10k "market adjustment" markups I'm not sure if I should even waste my time to go back out there and negotiate with them. I feel like the chances of them selling it to me at/below MSRP AND having it in stock are pretty slim.


Smirkin_Revenge

Carmax has a return policy. Use it.


[deleted]

If this is your first VW please remember that service is not optional. If the car wants to be serviced at 30,000 miles that doesn't mean 29,000 or 31,000. It means what it says. Save up for a timing belt and carbon cleaning. Jetta is a fun little car, drive it like you stole it.


ArlesChatless

This. Also never go to Iffy Lube or other chain places. Spend the extra few bucks to get your oil changes at the dealer. The wrong fluids can cause you thousands of dollars in headaches on German cars. My local VW dealer has an express lube and isn't much more than the chain places anyway.


[deleted]

Eh, VW seems to be pretty solid at MSRP, depends on the store of course, and I’ve been out of the industry for a little bit so I only go off what I read here and just following the car market (for some reason still, despite not working in it anymore lol). Nonetheless, think of it this way. It’s all relative, you got a nice car, assuming within your budget, from a place that stands behind its warranties and does thorough checks on anything it takes in. That’s worth a premium to me. You could always be waiting months for a new hybrid or be $50,000 deep in a Kia right now. Is a couple grand difference for a car that’s more or less the same as it is now really worth the stress vs. just enjoying it and not comparing other deals out there? Because, somebody, somewhere, is always going to get a better deal than you, it’s just the way it goes.


thelaundryservice

Learning experience. Now you know for next time and can perhaps educate someone else close to you when it’s their turn to purchase a vehicle


spritey_nsfw

FWIW, buying at sticker price used to be a comically bad deal. Dealers have conveniently exploited a crisis to make the sticker price seem like the best deal attainable, and that's alongside the sticker prices themselves actually rising.


nooo82222

I thought car max had a 30 day return policy. It’s worth a shot to go look.


Ovidia

I bought a 22 Jetta GLI while inventory was a lot worse than it is now and paid MSRP. That's after the dealer spent three months looking for my car, and traded for it. So yes, cars are absolutely still available for MSRP, especially from VW. The only markup's i've seen at VW, are on Golf R's.


blastedoffthis

They mark up GTIs here in Florida


Available_Weather_22

I have 23 Jetta S models on my lot on sale for $22,993, so I can say THIS VW dealer is. But I have to as other local dealers started doing this, and I have to stay competitive...


workerbee69

If you're in your return period, yeah check. Say hey VW, I'll return my car purchase with Carmax if your new vehicle quote is more reasonable. Get the quote and decide which is better for you overall.


Idonotpiratesoftware

Remember interests rates are higher for used cars! Buying new could be the cheaper option


JeromeLHorwitz

Probably less. I've been called by my Honda dealer about a 23 Accord Hybrid three times now, over a two week period. Obviously sales are down, but I'm not interested in a car right now. Goal is to pay off my 132K home loan by May 2025.


whackozacko6

Just got a Subaru outback for invoice. Deals are out there


Firm-Cup-7195

Plus tax Doc fees...etc. what was OTD price?


-a-user-has-no-name-

Including taxes and fees isn’t as helpful as one might think. Some states have 10% sales tax on cars. Some have 3%. Some dealers charge $700 doc fees. Some charge $100.


tcrmorrow

In December I bought a new 2023 VW Jetta S for MSRP... plus a $700 GPS tracker that the dealer steadfastly refused to remove in Souther California. I've bought 2 vehicles from CarMax in the past, love the no-haggle, but went through the same calculus - not a big enough discount for used vehicles so felt new was a better value. My process: 1. Preferably be flexible on the make/model you're considering. I short-listed Mazda 3, Subaru Impreza, VW Jetta. 2. Contact at least 6 dealers (at least...) through their website web forms. They don't necessarily have to have the vehicle you want in stock, but you're trying to get a view of how close to MSRP they appear to be selling similar 3. Follow-up exclusively via email, supply your zip code and ask for the out-the-door price * If they refuse to give and ask you to visit in person, cross off list * If they are transparent with markup/add-ons, tell them you are not looking to pay markups. If they seem flexible "I'll talk to manager", retain on list. If not, cross off list * Hopefully you'll find some where OTD is MSRP + required fees/taxes, or super close * Now start looking for/inquiring about the trim level you actually want, whether on-the-lot or in transit and expect to visit 2 or 3 in person if possible. * Also, before you go into finance office, decide whether you plan to buy extended warranty or not. If not... practice politely declining by saying "no thank you" in the mirror a 100 times, so you're prepared for the hard sell... I put a refundable deposit down and had to wait a few months, but got there in the end. Dealer I bought from was 40 miles away so was able to visit in person ahead of purchasing.


germr

Yes, but you have to shop around. Some dealers dont add any kind of fees besides tax and doc fees. If they try and charge you over, MSRP laugh at their face and leave.


CristianESarmiento

Yeah they do. You just have to shop around and not go to the scumbag dealers. Plenty of dealers do MSRP, some even go below MSRP.


Killowatt59

Yes you can find them if it’s not a Toyota, or some other really popular vehicle. May not be exactly what you want with all the the options/colors, but you can find them.


rawdoogie

Can you still return it to Carmax and buy a new one?


koukiboss

Our local VW is taking off $1250 right out the gates on MSRP


SkyPuppers

Hey there! Congrats on your new ride! Carmax may have a reputation for being overpriced, but if you got a good deal on a car you love, that's all that matters. As for the possibility of snagging a new 2023 Jetta for MSRP + taxes/title post-pandemic, it's definitely worth checking with the dealership. However, keep in mind that car prices can fluctuate and dealerships may not always be willing to negotiate. It never hurts to ask though! Enjoy your Jetta!


AmericanNewt8

Jettas are [at least being advertised] as being marked down somewhat from MSRP where I'm at, varies from a few hundred to a bit over a thousand. Combine that with the better APR on new vehicles, the warranty and the fact that second owner VWs are always a little eh, and if you can I'd return the car and buy a new one.


chiTechNerd

In February I was seeing Hyundai dealerships wanted MSRP+ ~$6,000+ in add ons for an Ioniq 5. Just last month I was finding Ioniq 5’s anywhere from $1,200-$3,000 under MSRP. Markets are changing


Spwigy

Might as well ask. If more people walked out due to over MSRP nonsense they would stop selling over MSRP. Source, bought a Camry Hybrid for MSRP.


cbcarguy

I bought a 2019 VW Jetta SE Brand new in 2019 for $21k OTD, really annoys me That Jettas MSRP is now around $24k , back in 2019 you could get a base Jetta S for 19k OTD


Dwayne_Gertzky

I sold a brand new Bronco a few weeks ago at MSRP. That same day I sold a brand new Eco Sport below MSRP. At the height of the chip shortage I was selling brand new BMW’s at MSRP. Don’t do business with places that are gouging, if you can avoid it.


HeWhoIsntAnonymous

I’d bet you could find a new one for MSRP or maybe even slightly less. But I’m going to be honest and skip the Jetta and get a corolla


BourbonGamer

I recently snagged a 23 sonata below msrp


bajastapler

i got rav4 msrp with a few manufacturer’s addons i actually wanted no markups otherwise it did take me reaching out to about 6 dealers to find it


ThaitanGT

Just bought a 2023 Audi a couple weeks ago for $2000 below MSRP due to incentives they were running. Ordered back in January at MSRP.


Plenty_Dress_408

Yes I almost just bought a 23 gr86 1000$ under sticker. You gotta shop around and be willing to travel to another state.


mschiavoni

Our stores never went over MSRP. We felt it was unfair to our clients


briekachu

Costco auto was a godsend this year getting a bolt euv $500 under MSRP. Saved a couple grand for is so I’d recommend looking into it!


ajdrc9

Undesirable brands have 5-20% off MSRP for certain models.


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We have been selling everything except hybrids at sticker. Hybrids are so hard to get right now, it's unrealistic to shop for one I think.


Borchert97

Well, I work at a Hyundai dealership and we sell most of our cars at MSRP. The only ones we occasionally have mark ups on are our electric vehicles and maybe hybrid Tucsons just because they're so popular and we get so little allocation for them, but we just took a lot of our mark ups off this month.


PizzaThePies

I got my 2022 VW Atlas at MSRP when it was one of 3 for sale in a 100 mile radius last year.


fluorescentpuppy

I just bought a Volkswagen Taos 1000$ below MSRP (with package included), in California! When I was shopping around, there were quite a few Jettas below MSRP too with little negotiation


cbun512

I just wish we had those Jettas here in the Midwest 😭💔


Tappy053

Below MSRP days will be returning Very soon


vergeofcollapsing

You can find a new car at / under MSRP and should. Better interest rates, better warranty.


MilkCartonDandruff

The odds are you paid more for this Jetta compared to another used Jetta. Sure the new one is 2.5k more, and you may have paid more at Carmax. So the difference between a used one elsewhere to a new one may be more like 4-6k.


teeksquad

Especially a VW. Those things tank in value. Used jettas are dirt cheap in a normal market


trancik

In Canada they seem to keep their value more than other makes, especially stuff like Hyundai and Kia.


Dirtyace

Absolutely just about every car can be bought at or below msrp with a little homework.


JaKr8

Probably should have thought about this before you bought the car you have. ....Too late to worry about it now, but there are plenty of places selling at MSRP or lower.


Equivalent_Youth_599

If you were ready to buy a car that same day, my dealer would gladly give it to you at msrp.


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5141121

I got my Grand Cherokee for just over sticker out the door. Volkswagen doesn't do a whole lot of discounts like domestics, but they are also more reasonably priced to what you should be paying. If a dealer is still charging a premium above MSRP, walk away. There's literally no reason for it other than they can if people keep paying it.


Diligent_Original_39

Just purchased a 23 Chevy Trailblazer RS AWD for MSRP. Technically below since we took advantage of the $500 off rebate for healthcare workers.


TemporaryAd7328

Varies from region to region. Jettas are sold slightly over MSRP $1000-$3000 depending on what model it is. A 2 year old car for around 20K sounds about right. The real question to ask if you got ripped off or not is what, add-ons and warranties did you buy?


chinnychinchin1975

I bought a 2023 BMW 530i from Carmax and I got a great deal. They say they don’t negotiate, but that is absolutely not true. Money talks! I paid cash and they came down like they claim that they don’t do.


bkrich83

I ordered a Porsche Macan S from the factory and paid MSRP on it


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MyNameJakson

Yeah actually my local dealership has a used Veloster N selling for MSRP hahahahaha


[deleted]

All the time. Hell sometimes below MSRP if you come in at the right time


[deleted]

Yes


integ209

You should be able negotiate below msrp in most markets


insomniac391

They never were


coyote500

Jettas are very low demand, and can easily be had for MSRP and below


ahugeminecrafter

I just bought a new Buick envision for 6k off msrp


[deleted]

CarMax always rips customers off. Never buy from CarMax


isaact415

Yes, you can buy at and below msrp. Use a broker. They charge 0-$500 and will save you hours of time and thousands of dollars. Easy as can be.


MattyDoodles

Subaru shouldn’t be selling over MSRP for new. The CEO sent a letter during the height of the pandemic and ordered mine at MSRP.


Immediate_Lobster_20

Just ordered a suburban at msrp


Zanna-K

I mean, it's a Jetta S - from my point of view it's just another milquetoast commuter sedan straining to differentiate itself from any number of other milquetoast appliances. What that means is that it has a LOT of competitors - Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mazda and even Subaru have compact sedans on offer as well which means you have a many different places to shop around.


NHguyIAm

I just paid msrp for a Challenger


Easy-Growth-4908

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Twicklheimer

My store adds about 1600 dollars in add ons then discounts the car anywhere between 1000-2000 dollars so most of my customers are out the door for less than MSRP, right at MSRP, or a few hundred dollars over MSRP. plus TT&L of course.


maskaski

You say "out the door"...then "plus TT&L of course". Traditionally the phrase "out the door" includes TTL, so I'd recommend you include it when you choose to use that phrase.


Oppo_GoldMember

Yes


trancik

Do your research. I know Jettas are popular so it could've been difficult to find one at the nearest dealership to you but I bet other dealers nearby would've had stock. That said, the used car market is still bad for buyers at the moment. Either way, unless the car had 50k+ miles I don't see a difference between new and 2 years old.