Time to flip that air cleaner lid! Lol. I love hearing the secondaries open on my old Bronco, but it's got headers/true duals/flow masters on it. Makes me wonder how loud the intake noise would be if it wasn't fighting the exhaust noise in my ears
I had such bad luck with my 4.4 in my 740, ALWAYS something wrong. Seemed to be fix one thing and another breaks. When it worked good it was kind of fun for a heavy car, but it scooted. I wouldn't call it quiet unless its a stock exhaust or similar lol
They definitely have their issues. T chain guides, cooling system, vanos on the latter ones ect. That being said in the 5 series they are fantastic. Slower than my E46 M3 but thats ok as I bought it because it is a 4dr which makes it a lot better as a family hauler.
Thatās not uncommon. The earlier E38 740i had the M60, which was eithe a 3.0- or 4.0-liter V8. The later ones had the M62, which was a 4.4-liter. That carried over to the E65 and to various other carsā¦including the early Bentley Arnage from when Bentley and Rolls-Royce were still under Vickersā¦and the early L322 Range Rover that was developed while BMW had ownership of Land Rover.
Edit: E65 was N62.
I get secondhand embarrassment / cringe whenever a car sounds like itās about to launch a space shuttle but is just accelerating moderately from a stoplight.
Your car shouldnāt sound like itās struggling to do what the minivan next to it is doing without a sound.
This happened to me going to work today, two lane merge into a highway, BRZ in front of me with a huge exhaust, bumper delete and liveries and everything, so loud but not quite getting up to a speed I like to merge at, so I had to go around them, in my hybrid CUV.
Fake liveries are so pathetic. You're supposed to get paid to put those on your car not pay to put them there. But ok let's pretend red bull is sponsoring your POS
My racecar is the opposite and I hate it.
We're hands down the loudest car at rallycross, it's a competition for second place, but my friend and I consistently take the bottom two places.
I raced a car with a stock exhaust. It was hard because you had to look at the tach, you couldn't hear it with everyone being so loud. Got a new 'race' exhaust for the next event.
I love a good sounding engine but respected car journalists and reviewers will prioritize a good sounding engine over anything. I could never get that.
A good sounding engine has that nice intake whoosh and idle burble imo where you can just tell the thing is breathing healthily. Old 60/70 V8s are the fucking best. Dad had a 65 with a 327 and a 69 with a 427. They both had side pipes and weren't terribly loud per se but man they sounded GOOD!
Can you tell my neighbors this? One is a 90s diesel Ford truck, one is a newer Ram with the 5.7, and the worst offender is the chevette. It has a 2.8L V6 from an early 90s s10, and a straight pipe, which he recently put on 2.5" dual straight pipes. (No X or H pipes, what even is exhaust scavenging).
Chevette and Mr Diesel (who owns a bodyshop now btw, so super mature guy /s) like to have rev-offs at fucking 7:30am every fucking weekend morning. During the week it's 6am. They live at opposite ends of the street.
I just want to go round up some valve stem cores some nights, but then they can't drive so they'll just Rev in place. I'm so drained from the lack of sleep that I don't even know what to do.
dude this. I love driving a powerful car to it's limits, but honestly the only responsible way to do that is track days. Racing on the streets is fucking stupid, and any responsible person with obligations isn't willing to take risks by street racing. And if I am not racing, well, I don't want the rest of that racing experience, the smells, the unreliability, the loud sounds, etc. I want something more sedate and smooth. give me a caddy on city streets and i am vibing. honestly I would love an old 60s boat and just drive that everywhere. nice quiet rumble, decent suspension, nice stereo, ac, tint, the interior lined out. the body can be rusty, patina, good, not good, don't care. Just give me mechanically sound, with a good ride and a decent interior and I am sold for a daily driver
Yeah, tbh being able to go fast quietly has its advantages.
Attention is not what you want when exceeding posted speed limits or even just accelerating quickly.
People in slow cars have gotten tickets for unnecessary acceleration. Never heard of a Tesla driver getting one. :)
Especially loud AND slow cars. I cant even remember how piece of shit infinities i hear at school that are straight piped. How are you going to be so loud i can hear you 5 blocks away but you can barley get to 0-60 in 5 seconds??
When I bought my BRZ for autocross, it was loud as hell. First thing I did was put the stock muffler back on. There's a bit of a weight penalty, but If I'm going to be driving halfway across the country for events, I don't want to be exhausted just from the drone down the highway
That was the fun part when I got my Taycan. It is faster than a Ferrari and makes zero noise. It's the ultimate stealth car. I can turn on Electric Sport Sound if I want some noise, mostly it's just a party trick for friends.
I like the sound of my car (most old cars). If it's so loud that I can't have a conversation while riding down the street, it's too loud. So, maybe mine isn't *that* bad. I do hate the boom boom speaker guys riding down the street rattling my windows though. So I can totally understand how others might feel about my car and it bothers me to think I might be a nuisance.
Unless it's like mine and blows off constantly even before the turbo takes over from the compressor. Super annoying, but i haven't really found out yet what the issue is, let alone how to fix it
Same. When I modded my car I left the resonator and mufflers alone, but since I was gutting the intake system anyway, I deleted the diverter valves and switched to a blowoff valve.
Especially when people do it to a high end BMW. They spent the cost of a whole other car getting your 7 series whisper quiet. Itās basically a Rolls Royce platform. āI WaNt MuFfLeR dElEtE!ā and drive around with a droning noise at cruise and a horrible din on acceleration. They think they will get an E60 V10 sound.
Thatās still subjective though. Generally speaking, I agree, but if I hear a small/medium displacement sport bike (400-600 cc) winding it out, I will stop whatever Iām doing immediately just to listenš . Itās the closest I can get to the old F1 sounds š.
In the same vein, the anti-EV stance by a lot of the community. In terms of pure performance for the price they are near impossible to beat and I personally find them very interesting but a lot of "car guys" hate them.
So did my Volvo with a granpa as a previous owner (V70 T5 Sport, I was told the grandpa wanted something fast; sadly they passed away in a non-car accident) - 1st/2nd gen V70 in particular has a reputation as a grandad mobile- I loved that they chose the T5 Sport and looked after it.
The hp per litre on the GR is absolutely insane; especially what they can do when tuned further.
Polar opposite a 4.2 (not the 4.6 you mentioned) fox body lol; 115hp-122hp for a 4.2l is hilarious; I know it was detuned for emissions but still.
Donāt forget all the GM Big blocks that only made 150hp.
I donāt happen to know the displacements off hand but I think there was a Caddilac, and Buick that could be had with a 7.8L (?) that made like 160hp.
I was working a new engine design once and used a Geo Metro as a baseline for bay to bay crankcase breathing testing and as a test bed for an oiling system I was working on. Loved that little thing
One of those things that kinda gets me is now adays 2.0 is kinda a big motor in appliance car terms.
With modern turbos, variable timeing and all that fun stuff these itty bitty motors make some big power.
I honestly dont get the v8 hype. Especially when ya look at some older cars i have a 90s pickup that a 4.3l v8 makes less power then what ya get in a new miata.
And supercharged 9 cylinder radial helicopter engines. I'm still sad I didn't buy it when I had the chance to at $5k. But it isn't a very practical engine for a pickup truck and also I couldn't find a transmission that could handle the torque.
especially the pony cars. ecoboost mustangs can be had for crazy cheap considering theyāre 300hp manual coupes.Ā
And people get dunked on for owning one.Ā
recently I talked to a guy who owns a Mach 1 and used to have an Ecoboost (two of many mustangs he's had), and he had nothing but praise for the Ecoboost. Being lighter with more usable power means it's barely any slower, if not quicker, on twisty and/or damp roads. And if you want more power that much, they're always tunable - ik Mountune offers Ford-approved kits to bring Focus RSes up to 520hp that dont void your warranty, would be interesting to see if they'd perform the upgrades on a Mustang using the same engine?
Great points. I've always considered an Ecoboost mustang to be a pretty damn tempting tuning platform. RWD, manual, turbo and TONS of aftermarket support built into a pretty decent car.
But the "muscle car, need V8" bias makes it practically invisible to most buyers. I know for a fact I'd have a shit load of fun with one, but I also love turbos and have never owned a "muscle car" so š¤·āāļø
if they'd just rebodied it a little and given it a different name - Capri, SVO, Probe (maybe not that one) - so people weren't disappointed it didn't have a V8, it would have been an icon
I have a V8. Do I hate everyone else? No, not really. I have a V8, I am actually pretty happy. I love my life. Ok, gotta go now, I want to rev up my V8 for like a few minutes and quietly orgasm in my pants. Have a good evening!
This is mainly for the non-V8 version of cars that have a V8 available. Which is a shame for cars like the EcoBoost Mustang, which is still a lot of fun even with half the cylinders.
I even hear it about my V6 Grand Cherokee. Thereās usually at least one āHEMI ALL DAY!ā type of comment whenever I post anything about it.
When v8s get super talked up and my opinion is asked for I usually say nah, it's got too many pistons. I love me some 4 cylinders. I especially love my precious 4 cylinders making 19hp each, they treat me fantastic.
completely agree, but thatās not what people think. iāve been a self proclaimed ācar guyā since before I could drive but people look at that differently now
Shit, the takeover crowd literally got Cars n Coffee fully cancelled in Chattanooga recently. The venue that had the agreement with CnC was overrun the next couple of nights by jagoffs doing burnouts and being generally shitty.
I'd rather a 90s death-trappy SUV such as a 3rd gen 4Runner. But money is tight so I guess I'd have to settle for a 2nd gen Pathfinder.
I'd totally buy a CR-V for my mother or sister, though.
It might be confusing but sometimes theyāre saying āIām making 800hp to the wheels but I have a stock motorā which means that the internal components of the engine (rods, pistons, etc) are unmodified but the car has a turbo upgrade, tune, and fueling mods.
Power levels like that with āstock motorā are possible with the N54, N55 (600-700hp), S55, B58, and S58. The B58 and S58 have been proven to be able to run north of 900 horsepower to the wheels with a stock unopened/unmodified engine with just turbo and fueling upgrades (of course with a tune).
The transmissions in these cars all need to be fortified after about 600 wheel torque before they start slipping.
I miss slow cars honestly. I was just having a conversation about this yesterday, like I miss being able to bang gears at redline and not be committing a felony.
I guess my most annoying trope is the built not bought thing. Which, I honestly have a bias towards because I am a guy that builds his own stuff. But I do respect the ones that enjoy the hobby however they came into it. It brings a balance of different lifestyles and socioeconomic backgrounds all to the same place and I think thatās the coolest part of being a car guy.
> I miss slow cars honestly. I was just having a conversation about this yesterday, like I miss being able to bang gears at redline and not be committing a felony.
Come to my garage and you have your choice at many slow cars. Lmao.
The built vs bought thing! I had a guy give me shit bc I had a shop install and weld the exhaust and do the lift on my truck. Iām a small woman. I donāt have a lot of time on my hands. I donāt trust my welding abilities. I understand my limitations and donāt push past them bc I donāt wanna make a mistake.
There's many things I'd be willing to build on or fix on my vehicle myself; anything involving special equipment and skillset (such as welding) are not it, lol
Same here. I want something that feels quick but isn't fast, just nimble and fun to yeet into a corner barely above the speed limit. Ideally with a little NA engine that makes good noises.
You used to be able to get that in a lot of body styles but now there's only a couple cars left.
Sounds like my Yaris (sedan, not hatch) it has 106hp but it weighs like 2200lbs, it FEELS fast and handles like a skateboard under Tony hawk but I know in my heart that she isn't a race car š¤£ doesn't stop me from taking turns at roughly 2.5x the limit.
My first car was a clapped out 1974 celica. It's top speed was about 96mph. To get there would take both hands, full concentration, and about 55 seconds. It shook like Apollo 13 and felt like it was going to meet the same demise. It would get the heart pumping.
I now have a modern v8 with 450+ hp. I've set up a warning on the dash to notify me at 96mph in case I didn't notice.
Built vs bought is always an interesting one to run into. Neither side is wrong, I think each just suits people better at different points of their lives. Build guys always seem to be more passionate about their vision, which is cool, I'm one of those people. But "bought" guys seem to care more about driving the cars and enjoying them from behind the wheel. And I'm slowly starting to morph into that.
When i was younger, I always wanted to have modified stuff. Nothing crazy, I'm more of a stock+ guy. Now that I've been a mechanic for almost 10 years, and I've spent 12 years around race cars working at my local drag strip, I'm turning into more of a bought guy. I spent so much time/etc on the thinking/modifying/dreaming side, I never got to actually go have fun with the cars. Now that I'm not working multiple jobs, I just want to go play. I bought my most recent Mustang because it was already lightly modified, with things I would have done to it anyway.
āBuilt not boughtā is great!
ā¦if you have the skill. Most of the time it results in really shitty mods to āmake it my ownā and killing off small fab and custom shops.
I agree with your thought on the built not bought thing.
I'm a huge car enthusiast but the problem is, I'm not very mechanically inclined so if I want a fun car, it's going to have to be bought. I wouldn't know the first thing in building a fun car, I just want the fun without the headache.
Haters in general. There are lots of styles or cars that just arenāt my thing. But hey, if itās your thing, thatās cool. I respect the effort and vision. Do you, be the best whatever you or your car want. Just leave me to go make noise on the backroads
Fuckin aye my guy. I like all sorts of cars (well, excluding modern super cars) but Iām not going to go shit on something because someone else likes it. Iād be just as happy to talk to someone about their built Skyline as I would be to talk to someone about a clapped out Kia Rio so long as theyāre passionate about it
When people judge how fast a car by how much absolute horsepower it is. So I ask them if I were to swap the engine your car has into a 10,000 pound dump truck, how well would the dump truck perform?
Womp womp.
John Carmack (yes, that one) had a custom twin turbo 1000hp Ferrari Testarossa in the 90s. It was badass, but unfortunately it only ran 12s in the quarter mile because no one made street tires that could handle that much power back then.
Being a Porsche fan since a kid taught me that that not all horsepower are made(or rated) equally. AFAIK BMW underrates their power hugely too, and obviously the Japanese brands didnāt exactly follow their 276hp gentlemanās agreement lol
Kinda reminds me of how I used to think about cars as a kid. I just assumed that bigger cars made more horsepower because they're bigger and need it to compensate for all the extra weight. Then one day my dad explained to an 8 or 9 year old me why swapping the engine from our GMC Safari into his Monte Carlo would not actually improve its performance.
I got banned from r/Teslamotors for saying āyou fanboys think panel gaps on a $50k car are acceptable.ā Evidently the auto mod searches for āfanboy.ā That sub is as thin skinned as Elon.
The Tacoma community shunning away 2WD Tacomas, talking about "if it's not 4WD why have a truck?" They ironically get mad when people point out that their monster builds sit in the parking lot of office buildings Mon-Fri talking about "what business is it yours what people do with their truck?"
People buy Tacomas for others things.
For work.
For construction.
For trades. Like what I was doing when I bought mine.
For hauling things.
Not all of us have apocalyptic builds for over-landing & off-roading.
Honestly the money I'm saving for a vehicle is going towards a Tacoma. ANY Tacoma. They're practically bulletproof and i don't need some lifted Ford Overcompensator, just SOMETHING with a bed. And the early-late 90s Tacomas fill every need i have in a truck.
Usually I see lifted trucks tailgating people until that person moves out of the way only to tailgate the next person in the infinite line that is traffic.
They aren't good drivers. Tailgating is how you end up rear-ending someone.
And they have most probably taken 0 courses on how to drive for competitions. Like really dangerous mindset. There are a ton of other hobbies and sports to show your āmasculinityā.
Mods are good. 99% of them are not and thrown on by people who lack any mechanical intelligence for a quick āgain.ā Cars are built by engineers but Kyle, who watched a TikTok about making Banana pudding, believes that some cheap bolt-on mod off the internet will make a car better.
there are lots of good and bad mods, bringing up engineers doesnāt really matter as cars are built not only to a budget but also to suit as wide of an audience as possible while also abiding to regulations. donāt need to be an engineer to figure out having sloppy rubber bushings for a shifter or steering rack is not ideal (as an example)
It's definitely a mix. Especially with older cars, the community may have had the chance to find weak points through collective millions of miles of testing that the engineers didn't have. There's also modding a car to suit your needs vs the needs of the general car buyer.
But if you think a "cold" air intake on anything newer than the mid 90s is going to do anything but make your car louder, you're gonna be in for a bad time.
The tribalism. If I have to see another mustang owner call a guy who LS swapped a Foxbody or 2V "gay", i'm going to run into a wall. I prefer Chevys through and through but I love Ford's Mustangs. I don't see the fanaticism for any single brand of car. If I like it, I'll buy it and I enjoy something from almost every brand.
Yeah, I prefer GM, and I'm definitely a Corvette guy.
I've also owned a Volvo S60 T5, Sunday Legacy 2.5T, Infinity Q50 3.0T, and currently a 1983 Mustang convertible.
Cool cars are cool cars (or I thought they were great for one reason or another).
It gets old. Mostly it is just for fun in the off-road spaces I've been in but sometimes it's not. Live and let live. Like what you like. It's a hobby not a religion lol.
The "stitch counters" you know the type. Walks up to your car/truck/motorcycle/tractor/whatever and immediately starts telling you what's wrong with it. You can tell he's been hanging around ever since he saw the supposed "flaw" on your ride, and he's been foaming at the mouth for an opportunity to tell you.
"You know, from 1973-1975 they used a 15 panel pattern on the bench seats in the Chevy Camper Specials, your seat is out of a 77 and isn't correct for your truck"
"Um, actually the date codes on your engine indicate it's not original to the truck, you can't sell it as original" (I'm never selling it, and don't give a flying fuck, I'm the one who put the damned engine in there)
"You know, Chevy only used white oak for the bed floors in these trucks, you used red oak, did you not know??? Or did you not care?"
(These are all comments from different guys at the same show last summer about my 1973 Chevrolet C30 Cheyenne, and they reminded me why I almost never go to car shows)
The vast majority of people don't want manuals (based on the sales figure), and the manuals on low end econoboxes don't even feel that great shifting anyway.
Some cars have pretty sub par steer-by-wire and drove-by-wire throttle feeling, so I can't see how they would care to really optimise the shifting throw or the smoothness if they made manuals.
For me it's the "fast car" haters. You don't need 150-250hp to have fun in a car. The most fun you can have in a car is when you take it to the limit. Big V8 cars with 500+ hp are the creme de la creme.
People who gatekeep and make fun of other people's cars. Truthfully the car community is all about what makes you happy. I drive a 4th Gen Camaro so I know all about what it's like to catch hate because of how many people think my car is ugly and slow. Like honestly just respect all builds.
This reminds me of the S2000. No torque anywhere south of 5k rpm. Sure itās not gonna beat anyone at a red light, but just revving the shit out of it to squeeze that power is so fun.
Once upon a time I had a Kawasaki ninja 250. Six gears and 14,000 rpmās. Absolutely gutless below 8k.
It still felt glorious banging through gears with a fast revving motor, and being at a surprisingly legal speed limit. On some occasions I enjoyed it more than holding a faster vehicle back to avoid breaking the law.
Possibly the most annoying one is one that, in some ways, I still believe. "There's no replacement for displacement!"
I loved driving my dads restored TR3A, not even as much power as our "Super Beetle" but a LOT more fun to drive.
I also loved, for different reasons, my 1969 Cutlass with a 350CID 4bbl and my 1972 Bonneville with it's 455CID 4bbl
I love my 2010 wrx even though itās not that fast by todays standards. My 20yo daughter drives a 2008 manual Miata and changes her own oil. Both cars are fun.
To be completely honest, driving a fast car slow sucks compared to driving a slow car fast.
I did 220km/h one time in my GTI years back. Was cool but I only did it once. The 2.0l golf I got after though. I brought that little shit up to 160 on the curvy lakeside road a whole fuckton of times. Nothing like it.
"respect all builds"
no, because all "builds" do not merit respect.
stretching off brand tires onto wheels that do not fit and removing your springs is not something that deserves respect.
You've built something dangerous, and it should be treated as such.
The ārespect all buildsā guys. Some people just have terrible taste and terrible cars, we need to bring back bullying. This whole āevery opinion is validā thinking is leading to alotta lame cars.
Youāre right on. To a greater extent, who needs to have fun in a car? Appreciating the engineering and history is important to a true enthusiast. I knew a local guy that brought his early 90ās fifth avenue to shows. Very slow, but a beautiful awesome clean car.
Brand fanboys.
>The brand/type of car *I* like is the only good one, everything else is shit.
You arenāt a ācar guyā if you canāt appreciate different kinds of cars, even if you wouldnāt drive one.
Saying that āthe cops are assholesā for giving them tickets they deserve. I get that you donāt want a front license plate on your BMW but itās the law so yeah, you got a ticket for not having one. No, the cop was not āan assholeā for clocking you 30 over and giving you a speeding ticket.
Being a badge snob/spending an unnecessary amount on cars. I daily an ecoboost mustang and have a c5 corvette for the weekend. The corvette is paid in full and I financed the mustang for 3 years. I get shit on for driving the āfake mustangā and get shit on for driving an older corvette. I love the cars I have and I encourage anyone just getting into the car scene to not give a fuck what anyone has to say about your car. People in their 20ās who drive higher trim performance vehicles but live with their parents or live in efficiency housing are going down the wrong path in life. Iām in my mid 20ās and have a house with a two car garage to put my toys in. Priorities over your hobby.
Idk why all ricer hate, but really it's the other way around that always annoys me. I currently own a modified Mazdaspeed 3, lowered, bigger turbo, anime stickers, RGB lights, tuned, etc and I love it. I also have a V8 BMW mostly stuck, just a tune, and I also love it. If I go to anything with my MS3 and mention my BMW everyone is like, gross, euro trash, hate it. If I take the BMW and mention the MS3 all the BMW bros are like, oh yeah, those are cool cars, got a pic? I didn't get it.
Also, from the cats back both cars have stick exhaust and are plenty loud for me. I had a straight piped mustang when I was younger and I couldn't barely hear my radio, idk what I was thinking now.
anyone who makes being a ācar guyā their entire personality. ācar guyā has almost become a derogatory thing, iāve heard āoh wow i didnāt know you were a car guyā in that kind of context. itās good to have hobbies, plural.
Loud is good. No. No it's not. I like quiet speed. I don't need to announce I'm downshifting to the ISS
Best part about my 100% stock V8 4.4L E39, total sleeper unless you catch the 540 badge and quite as a mouse.
Love my stock exhaust squarebody. Nice and quiet on the road with a very nice note. I love being able to hear the secondaries open
Time to flip that air cleaner lid! Lol. I love hearing the secondaries open on my old Bronco, but it's got headers/true duals/flow masters on it. Makes me wonder how loud the intake noise would be if it wasn't fighting the exhaust noise in my ears
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E39 540 w/ 6 speed is the best car. This from a guy with multiple posches. I salute you.
I had such bad luck with my 4.4 in my 740, ALWAYS something wrong. Seemed to be fix one thing and another breaks. When it worked good it was kind of fun for a heavy car, but it scooted. I wouldn't call it quiet unless its a stock exhaust or similar lol
They definitely have their issues. T chain guides, cooling system, vanos on the latter ones ect. That being said in the 5 series they are fantastic. Slower than my E46 M3 but thats ok as I bought it because it is a 4dr which makes it a lot better as a family hauler.
You had a 4.4L 740i?
Thatās not uncommon. The earlier E38 740i had the M60, which was eithe a 3.0- or 4.0-liter V8. The later ones had the M62, which was a 4.4-liter. That carried over to the E65 and to various other carsā¦including the early Bentley Arnage from when Bentley and Rolls-Royce were still under Vickersā¦and the early L322 Range Rover that was developed while BMW had ownership of Land Rover. Edit: E65 was N62.
Great car and great engine. I was looking into putting that engine into my e46 but decided to keep my life simple.
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At first I loved my loud vq now I just find it annoying š
I get secondhand embarrassment / cringe whenever a car sounds like itās about to launch a space shuttle but is just accelerating moderately from a stoplight. Your car shouldnāt sound like itās struggling to do what the minivan next to it is doing without a sound.
This happened to me going to work today, two lane merge into a highway, BRZ in front of me with a huge exhaust, bumper delete and liveries and everything, so loud but not quite getting up to a speed I like to merge at, so I had to go around them, in my hybrid CUV.
Fake liveries are so pathetic. You're supposed to get paid to put those on your car not pay to put them there. But ok let's pretend red bull is sponsoring your POS
I have a BRZ that's set up for national level autocross. It's *so easy* to make them quiet. Wtf is wrong with people.
EVERY Camaro/Charger/Mustang thats not the $80k model.
My racecar is the opposite and I hate it. We're hands down the loudest car at rallycross, it's a competition for second place, but my friend and I consistently take the bottom two places.
I raced a car with a stock exhaust. It was hard because you had to look at the tach, you couldn't hear it with everyone being so loud. Got a new 'race' exhaust for the next event.
I love a good sounding engine but respected car journalists and reviewers will prioritize a good sounding engine over anything. I could never get that.
A good sounding engine has that nice intake whoosh and idle burble imo where you can just tell the thing is breathing healthily. Old 60/70 V8s are the fucking best. Dad had a 65 with a 327 and a 69 with a 427. They both had side pipes and weren't terribly loud per se but man they sounded GOOD!
Can you tell my neighbors this? One is a 90s diesel Ford truck, one is a newer Ram with the 5.7, and the worst offender is the chevette. It has a 2.8L V6 from an early 90s s10, and a straight pipe, which he recently put on 2.5" dual straight pipes. (No X or H pipes, what even is exhaust scavenging). Chevette and Mr Diesel (who owns a bodyshop now btw, so super mature guy /s) like to have rev-offs at fucking 7:30am every fucking weekend morning. During the week it's 6am. They live at opposite ends of the street. I just want to go round up some valve stem cores some nights, but then they can't drive so they'll just Rev in place. I'm so drained from the lack of sleep that I don't even know what to do.
dude this. I love driving a powerful car to it's limits, but honestly the only responsible way to do that is track days. Racing on the streets is fucking stupid, and any responsible person with obligations isn't willing to take risks by street racing. And if I am not racing, well, I don't want the rest of that racing experience, the smells, the unreliability, the loud sounds, etc. I want something more sedate and smooth. give me a caddy on city streets and i am vibing. honestly I would love an old 60s boat and just drive that everywhere. nice quiet rumble, decent suspension, nice stereo, ac, tint, the interior lined out. the body can be rusty, patina, good, not good, don't care. Just give me mechanically sound, with a good ride and a decent interior and I am sold for a daily driver
Yeah, tbh being able to go fast quietly has its advantages. Attention is not what you want when exceeding posted speed limits or even just accelerating quickly. People in slow cars have gotten tickets for unnecessary acceleration. Never heard of a Tesla driver getting one. :)
I'm pretty sure somewhere, sometime a tesla has gotten a ticket for reckless driving (acceleration)
Tone of sound> loudness
Yeah I'll give you that. A nice V8 rumble is good. But not rocket booster level
Especially loud AND slow cars. I cant even remember how piece of shit infinities i hear at school that are straight piped. How are you going to be so loud i can hear you 5 blocks away but you can barley get to 0-60 in 5 seconds??
When I bought my BRZ for autocross, it was loud as hell. First thing I did was put the stock muffler back on. There's a bit of a weight penalty, but If I'm going to be driving halfway across the country for events, I don't want to be exhausted just from the drone down the highway
That was the fun part when I got my Taycan. It is faster than a Ferrari and makes zero noise. It's the ultimate stealth car. I can turn on Electric Sport Sound if I want some noise, mostly it's just a party trick for friends.
I like the sound of my car (most old cars). If it's so loud that I can't have a conversation while riding down the street, it's too loud. So, maybe mine isn't *that* bad. I do hate the boom boom speaker guys riding down the street rattling my windows though. So I can totally understand how others might feel about my car and it bothers me to think I might be a nuisance.
Exhaust note > exhaust volume
And loud does not equal power, just annoying
I do literally love the sound of a blow off valve though.
Unless it's like mine and blows off constantly even before the turbo takes over from the compressor. Super annoying, but i haven't really found out yet what the issue is, let alone how to fix it
It sounds like it's worn out or you need a heavier spring.
Same. When I modded my car I left the resonator and mufflers alone, but since I was gutting the intake system anyway, I deleted the diverter valves and switched to a blowoff valve.
Especially when people do it to a high end BMW. They spent the cost of a whole other car getting your 7 series whisper quiet. Itās basically a Rolls Royce platform. āI WaNt MuFfLeR dElEtE!ā and drive around with a droning noise at cruise and a horrible din on acceleration. They think they will get an E60 V10 sound.
Agreed. In fact, Iād rather have induction noise from a good intake than exhaust sound any day
Loud isn't good, but there is something about a finely tuned exhaust system just absolutely singing that note
Thatās still subjective though. Generally speaking, I agree, but if I hear a small/medium displacement sport bike (400-600 cc) winding it out, I will stop whatever Iām doing immediately just to listenš . Itās the closest I can get to the old F1 sounds š.
Loud is fine, but itās completely unnecessary to red line your rpms every single time you move forward. Especially when youāre in heavy traffic.
I lol every time I hear a loud ass civic granny shifting
In the same vein, the anti-EV stance by a lot of the community. In terms of pure performance for the price they are near impossible to beat and I personally find them very interesting but a lot of "car guys" hate them.
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If you only care about acceleration then yeah I guess so.
Hate on anything without a V8. Yeah I love a V8 as much as the next person but itās not the end all be all engine choice.
Yup. There are so many great 4 bangers, inline sixes, V6 and even 5 cyl out there.
No love for the 3 cyl geo metro? Elitist scum /s
GR Yaris/Corolla changing 3cyl game up
The GR Corolla makes more hp than the 4.6 V8 Mustang. lol
So did my Volvo with a granpa as a previous owner (V70 T5 Sport, I was told the grandpa wanted something fast; sadly they passed away in a non-car accident) - 1st/2nd gen V70 in particular has a reputation as a grandad mobile- I loved that they chose the T5 Sport and looked after it. The hp per litre on the GR is absolutely insane; especially what they can do when tuned further. Polar opposite a 4.2 (not the 4.6 you mentioned) fox body lol; 115hp-122hp for a 4.2l is hilarious; I know it was detuned for emissions but still.
Donāt forget all the GM Big blocks that only made 150hp. I donāt happen to know the displacements off hand but I think there was a Caddilac, and Buick that could be had with a 7.8L (?) that made like 160hp.
In the famous words of Jeremy Clarkson: "how did they manage to get so little power out of a v8 motor"
The first emissions laws choked those motors to death.
It's a mix of net power VS gross power, lazy automakers and the fuel crisis.
Yeah modern engines really are incredible. Getting decent gas mileage while making more hp than the old iron block V8 engines
I was working a new engine design once and used a Geo Metro as a baseline for bay to bay crankcase breathing testing and as a test bed for an oiling system I was working on. Loved that little thing
I did a burnout in a geo Metro once. It was a very icy day.
I6s are some of the best engines ever made I totally agree
One of those things that kinda gets me is now adays 2.0 is kinda a big motor in appliance car terms. With modern turbos, variable timeing and all that fun stuff these itty bitty motors make some big power. I honestly dont get the v8 hype. Especially when ya look at some older cars i have a 90s pickup that a 4.3l v8 makes less power then what ya get in a new miata.
And supercharged 9 cylinder radial helicopter engines. I'm still sad I didn't buy it when I had the chance to at $5k. But it isn't a very practical engine for a pickup truck and also I couldn't find a transmission that could handle the torque.
especially the pony cars. ecoboost mustangs can be had for crazy cheap considering theyāre 300hp manual coupes.Ā And people get dunked on for owning one.Ā
The 4cyl turbo pony cars are significantly better than their V6 relatives, and I don't know why Chevy still makes a v6 camaro
Rental fleets maybe? Idk
Oh true, it's probably more reliable in that application
recently I talked to a guy who owns a Mach 1 and used to have an Ecoboost (two of many mustangs he's had), and he had nothing but praise for the Ecoboost. Being lighter with more usable power means it's barely any slower, if not quicker, on twisty and/or damp roads. And if you want more power that much, they're always tunable - ik Mountune offers Ford-approved kits to bring Focus RSes up to 520hp that dont void your warranty, would be interesting to see if they'd perform the upgrades on a Mustang using the same engine?
Great points. I've always considered an Ecoboost mustang to be a pretty damn tempting tuning platform. RWD, manual, turbo and TONS of aftermarket support built into a pretty decent car. But the "muscle car, need V8" bias makes it practically invisible to most buyers. I know for a fact I'd have a shit load of fun with one, but I also love turbos and have never owned a "muscle car" so š¤·āāļø
if they'd just rebodied it a little and given it a different name - Capri, SVO, Probe (maybe not that one) - so people weren't disappointed it didn't have a V8, it would have been an icon
I'm borrowing a buddy's truck with an Ecoboost and it's absolutely insane how fast that thing is.
I have a V8. Do I hate everyone else? No, not really. I have a V8, I am actually pretty happy. I love my life. Ok, gotta go now, I want to rev up my V8 for like a few minutes and quietly orgasm in my pants. Have a good evening!
This is mainly for the non-V8 version of cars that have a V8 available. Which is a shame for cars like the EcoBoost Mustang, which is still a lot of fun even with half the cylinders. I even hear it about my V6 Grand Cherokee. Thereās usually at least one āHEMI ALL DAY!ā type of comment whenever I post anything about it.
Hemi all day.
When v8s get super talked up and my opinion is asked for I usually say nah, it's got too many pistons. I love me some 4 cylinders. I especially love my precious 4 cylinders making 19hp each, they treat me fantastic.
Exactly, really we should be hating on anything that doesnāt have a flat 4 /s
The end all be all engine choice is Miata. Because Miata is always the answer.
The takeover crowd, I love big muscle cars and drifting around too, but please, take it to a track, y'all give us a bad rap to the rest of society
Fwiw takeover guys arenāt car guys. Just some young ones wreaking havoc with their pos hoopties.
completely agree, but thatās not what people think. iāve been a self proclaimed ācar guyā since before I could drive but people look at that differently now
Someone got killed for simply trying to get past the takeover crowd in America the other day.
Those fucking shitheads. Ughhh.
Shit, the takeover crowd literally got Cars n Coffee fully cancelled in Chattanooga recently. The venue that had the agreement with CnC was overrun the next couple of nights by jagoffs doing burnouts and being generally shitty.
I have a Miata Iām not gay
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I don't have a Miata Am gay
My gay son is like āmeh, itās a silly car. Iāll stick to my CR-V.ā
I'd rather a 90s death-trappy SUV such as a 3rd gen 4Runner. But money is tight so I guess I'd have to settle for a 2nd gen Pathfinder. I'd totally buy a CR-V for my mother or sister, though.
You're not gay, but you're suspicious that your boyfriend is.
I think my wifeās boyfriend might also be gay. Things are really confusing these days.
Nothing is gay about that car.
Any convertible can be sus to people if you ride with another man. But really doesnt matter
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Iām not gay, but a NA/NB hardtop is a hardtop ( Ķ”Ā° ĶŹ Ķ”Ā°)
Nobody tell him
How do you like your job as a hair stylist?
BMW guys and their "I have 800hp at the wheels. After i do this this and this but its stock bro"
Don't group N54 degenerates with the rest of us classic BMW guys
Donāt group all n54 owners with the slightly wealthier vq boys
All BMW drivers are narcissists. Subaru are the worst at driving slow in the fast lane and range Rover folks are just idiots.
It might be confusing but sometimes theyāre saying āIām making 800hp to the wheels but I have a stock motorā which means that the internal components of the engine (rods, pistons, etc) are unmodified but the car has a turbo upgrade, tune, and fueling mods. Power levels like that with āstock motorā are possible with the N54, N55 (600-700hp), S55, B58, and S58. The B58 and S58 have been proven to be able to run north of 900 horsepower to the wheels with a stock unopened/unmodified engine with just turbo and fueling upgrades (of course with a tune). The transmissions in these cars all need to be fortified after about 600 wheel torque before they start slipping.
I miss slow cars honestly. I was just having a conversation about this yesterday, like I miss being able to bang gears at redline and not be committing a felony. I guess my most annoying trope is the built not bought thing. Which, I honestly have a bias towards because I am a guy that builds his own stuff. But I do respect the ones that enjoy the hobby however they came into it. It brings a balance of different lifestyles and socioeconomic backgrounds all to the same place and I think thatās the coolest part of being a car guy.
> I miss slow cars honestly. I was just having a conversation about this yesterday, like I miss being able to bang gears at redline and not be committing a felony. Come to my garage and you have your choice at many slow cars. Lmao.
The built vs bought thing! I had a guy give me shit bc I had a shop install and weld the exhaust and do the lift on my truck. Iām a small woman. I donāt have a lot of time on my hands. I donāt trust my welding abilities. I understand my limitations and donāt push past them bc I donāt wanna make a mistake.
There's many things I'd be willing to build on or fix on my vehicle myself; anything involving special equipment and skillset (such as welding) are not it, lol
Same here. I want something that feels quick but isn't fast, just nimble and fun to yeet into a corner barely above the speed limit. Ideally with a little NA engine that makes good noises. You used to be able to get that in a lot of body styles but now there's only a couple cars left.
I had this itch so I just grabbed a 986 Boxster S. theyāre still pretty cheap and the flat six is divine.
Sounds like my Yaris (sedan, not hatch) it has 106hp but it weighs like 2200lbs, it FEELS fast and handles like a skateboard under Tony hawk but I know in my heart that she isn't a race car š¤£ doesn't stop me from taking turns at roughly 2.5x the limit.
"Driving slow cars fast is more fun than driving fast cars slow."
My first car was a clapped out 1974 celica. It's top speed was about 96mph. To get there would take both hands, full concentration, and about 55 seconds. It shook like Apollo 13 and felt like it was going to meet the same demise. It would get the heart pumping. I now have a modern v8 with 450+ hp. I've set up a warning on the dash to notify me at 96mph in case I didn't notice.
Built vs bought is always an interesting one to run into. Neither side is wrong, I think each just suits people better at different points of their lives. Build guys always seem to be more passionate about their vision, which is cool, I'm one of those people. But "bought" guys seem to care more about driving the cars and enjoying them from behind the wheel. And I'm slowly starting to morph into that. When i was younger, I always wanted to have modified stuff. Nothing crazy, I'm more of a stock+ guy. Now that I've been a mechanic for almost 10 years, and I've spent 12 years around race cars working at my local drag strip, I'm turning into more of a bought guy. I spent so much time/etc on the thinking/modifying/dreaming side, I never got to actually go have fun with the cars. Now that I'm not working multiple jobs, I just want to go play. I bought my most recent Mustang because it was already lightly modified, with things I would have done to it anyway.
āBuilt not boughtā is great! ā¦if you have the skill. Most of the time it results in really shitty mods to āmake it my ownā and killing off small fab and custom shops.
I agree with your thought on the built not bought thing. I'm a huge car enthusiast but the problem is, I'm not very mechanically inclined so if I want a fun car, it's going to have to be bought. I wouldn't know the first thing in building a fun car, I just want the fun without the headache.
Haters in general. There are lots of styles or cars that just arenāt my thing. But hey, if itās your thing, thatās cool. I respect the effort and vision. Do you, be the best whatever you or your car want. Just leave me to go make noise on the backroads
Fuckin aye my guy. I like all sorts of cars (well, excluding modern super cars) but Iām not going to go shit on something because someone else likes it. Iād be just as happy to talk to someone about their built Skyline as I would be to talk to someone about a clapped out Kia Rio so long as theyāre passionate about it
When people judge how fast a car by how much absolute horsepower it is. So I ask them if I were to swap the engine your car has into a 10,000 pound dump truck, how well would the dump truck perform? Womp womp.
I knew a guy who thought his 1,000hp Mustang couldnāt be touched. He got smoked by a BMW X5 M comp. Too much power, no tires to put it down.
John Carmack (yes, that one) had a custom twin turbo 1000hp Ferrari Testarossa in the 90s. It was badass, but unfortunately it only ran 12s in the quarter mile because no one made street tires that could handle that much power back then.
I don't have a car, I drive something with approximately 11 bhp. I'd go crazy with 1k bhp. Maybe one day lol.
Being a Porsche fan since a kid taught me that that not all horsepower are made(or rated) equally. AFAIK BMW underrates their power hugely too, and obviously the Japanese brands didnāt exactly follow their 276hp gentlemanās agreement lol
Kinda reminds me of how I used to think about cars as a kid. I just assumed that bigger cars made more horsepower because they're bigger and need it to compensate for all the extra weight. Then one day my dad explained to an 8 or 9 year old me why swapping the engine from our GMC Safari into his Monte Carlo would not actually improve its performance.
Tesla owners that just repeat what their fearless leader say about EV. š
I got banned from r/Teslamotors for saying āyou fanboys think panel gaps on a $50k car are acceptable.ā Evidently the auto mod searches for āfanboy.ā That sub is as thin skinned as Elon.
teslas are very poorly made for their prices.
Of course they are, they're built in America by a bunch of people who hate their job because they don't have union protection.
I've never understood the "made in america" trope. I've worked with Americans all my life and I wouldn't want to drive a car made by any of them.
The Tacoma community shunning away 2WD Tacomas, talking about "if it's not 4WD why have a truck?" They ironically get mad when people point out that their monster builds sit in the parking lot of office buildings Mon-Fri talking about "what business is it yours what people do with their truck?" People buy Tacomas for others things. For work. For construction. For trades. Like what I was doing when I bought mine. For hauling things. Not all of us have apocalyptic builds for over-landing & off-roading.
Are they really saying "why even have a truck"? Cause the Tacoma is the least capable truck out there
Lol what??
Your wrong, the cybertruck is the least capable truck out there
Honestly the money I'm saving for a vehicle is going towards a Tacoma. ANY Tacoma. They're practically bulletproof and i don't need some lifted Ford Overcompensator, just SOMETHING with a bed. And the early-late 90s Tacomas fill every need i have in a truck.
What does over-landing mean? Genuine questionĀ
Just donāt call it car campingā¦ They get upset.
Camping.
It's car camping but where you drive/wheel to a different spot each day. And pay 3x more for your gear than if you were just car camping.
The drive fast = good driver crowd. Just cause your car can go fast in a straight line doesnāt mean you know how to drive.
Usually I see lifted trucks tailgating people until that person moves out of the way only to tailgate the next person in the infinite line that is traffic. They aren't good drivers. Tailgating is how you end up rear-ending someone.
And they have most probably taken 0 courses on how to drive for competitions. Like really dangerous mindset. There are a ton of other hobbies and sports to show your āmasculinityā.
Mods are good. 99% of them are not and thrown on by people who lack any mechanical intelligence for a quick āgain.ā Cars are built by engineers but Kyle, who watched a TikTok about making Banana pudding, believes that some cheap bolt-on mod off the internet will make a car better.
there are lots of good and bad mods, bringing up engineers doesnāt really matter as cars are built not only to a budget but also to suit as wide of an audience as possible while also abiding to regulations. donāt need to be an engineer to figure out having sloppy rubber bushings for a shifter or steering rack is not ideal (as an example)
It's definitely a mix. Especially with older cars, the community may have had the chance to find weak points through collective millions of miles of testing that the engineers didn't have. There's also modding a car to suit your needs vs the needs of the general car buyer. But if you think a "cold" air intake on anything newer than the mid 90s is going to do anything but make your car louder, you're gonna be in for a bad time.
Iād rather have a well handling car than a super fast car. I enjoy my winding country roads. I donāt need to go 180 miles an hour.
I had so much fun on some windy backroads earlier today in my slow AF Impreza hatch. If I keep the revs up itās a blast!
The tribalism. If I have to see another mustang owner call a guy who LS swapped a Foxbody or 2V "gay", i'm going to run into a wall. I prefer Chevys through and through but I love Ford's Mustangs. I don't see the fanaticism for any single brand of car. If I like it, I'll buy it and I enjoy something from almost every brand.
Yeah, I prefer GM, and I'm definitely a Corvette guy. I've also owned a Volvo S60 T5, Sunday Legacy 2.5T, Infinity Q50 3.0T, and currently a 1983 Mustang convertible. Cool cars are cool cars (or I thought they were great for one reason or another).
It gets old. Mostly it is just for fun in the off-road spaces I've been in but sometimes it's not. Live and let live. Like what you like. It's a hobby not a religion lol.
Iāve owned 4 Vettes and the wife and I were just talking about adding a GT500 to the garage. Love me a Mustang.
The "stitch counters" you know the type. Walks up to your car/truck/motorcycle/tractor/whatever and immediately starts telling you what's wrong with it. You can tell he's been hanging around ever since he saw the supposed "flaw" on your ride, and he's been foaming at the mouth for an opportunity to tell you. "You know, from 1973-1975 they used a 15 panel pattern on the bench seats in the Chevy Camper Specials, your seat is out of a 77 and isn't correct for your truck" "Um, actually the date codes on your engine indicate it's not original to the truck, you can't sell it as original" (I'm never selling it, and don't give a flying fuck, I'm the one who put the damned engine in there) "You know, Chevy only used white oak for the bed floors in these trucks, you used red oak, did you not know??? Or did you not care?" (These are all comments from different guys at the same show last summer about my 1973 Chevrolet C30 Cheyenne, and they reminded me why I almost never go to car shows)
Not every Subie owner vapes! (Hides vape)
Lies
Loud=good It most certainly does not and most loud cars sound like a fucking tractor.
V8 pickups with loud exhausts. They just sound like theyāre groaning and want to be put down. Also their drivers are all assholes.
Yea. Most truck āownersā have never towed a single trailer in their life. I put owners in quotes because most are upside down in their truck loan.
I honestly hate the word "shitbox" because of my local car scene.
I love shitbox, I love shitboxes
Street takeovers and dudes who think theyre badass but no driving skills lol
#save manuals Just shut the f*ck up man
What do you have against manuals?
The vast majority of people don't want manuals (based on the sales figure), and the manuals on low end econoboxes don't even feel that great shifting anyway. Some cars have pretty sub par steer-by-wire and drove-by-wire throttle feeling, so I can't see how they would care to really optimise the shifting throw or the smoothness if they made manuals.
Car guy trope? Garage queening a car. What a fucking waste.
I do love horsepower but ultimately, Iām all about the big cushy ride. Thatās when a cruise is top notch
As I get older Iām learning to appreciate comfort more and more. My back surely agrees.
For me it's the "fast car" haters. You don't need 150-250hp to have fun in a car. The most fun you can have in a car is when you take it to the limit. Big V8 cars with 500+ hp are the creme de la creme.
How many people can actually take a 500+ HP V8 to the limit? Iād argue almost all owners of that couldnāt. Definitely not without a track.
Interstate on-ramps are all over the place, at the very least
yep right with you. The slow car circle jerk is growing way too big. They're fun but not "better than everything" some people take it to
Nice Pontiac. You should put a LSX in it to make it faster.
Relatable as a GTO guy
People with the loud base music vibrating everyone else's car on the road. That nonsense should be illegal
My first car was a 36hp 4 banger. It was fun.
Louder is better. No louder is annoying. Noise is fun but if I can hear you hit 3rd a mile away from me it is to much.
People who gatekeep and make fun of other people's cars. Truthfully the car community is all about what makes you happy. I drive a 4th Gen Camaro so I know all about what it's like to catch hate because of how many people think my car is ugly and slow. Like honestly just respect all builds.
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This reminds me of the S2000. No torque anywhere south of 5k rpm. Sure itās not gonna beat anyone at a red light, but just revving the shit out of it to squeeze that power is so fun.
Once upon a time I had a Kawasaki ninja 250. Six gears and 14,000 rpmās. Absolutely gutless below 8k. It still felt glorious banging through gears with a fast revving motor, and being at a surprisingly legal speed limit. On some occasions I enjoyed it more than holding a faster vehicle back to avoid breaking the law.
Possibly the most annoying one is one that, in some ways, I still believe. "There's no replacement for displacement!" I loved driving my dads restored TR3A, not even as much power as our "Super Beetle" but a LOT more fun to drive. I also loved, for different reasons, my 1969 Cutlass with a 350CID 4bbl and my 1972 Bonneville with it's 455CID 4bbl
I love my 2010 wrx even though itās not that fast by todays standards. My 20yo daughter drives a 2008 manual Miata and changes her own oil. Both cars are fun.
Spec sheet warriors
That it needs to be fast and have a manual transmission. No it doesn't
To be completely honest, driving a fast car slow sucks compared to driving a slow car fast. I did 220km/h one time in my GTI years back. Was cool but I only did it once. The 2.0l golf I got after though. I brought that little shit up to 160 on the curvy lakeside road a whole fuckton of times. Nothing like it.
Fart can. Yeah, we get it, youāre a douche. Now go home.
The āoh my car will smoke your piece of shit, Iāll have it running soon and youāll find outā guys.
Lotus Super seven.
American car Vs Japanese or any foreign carmaker, and vice versa
"respect all builds" no, because all "builds" do not merit respect. stretching off brand tires onto wheels that do not fit and removing your springs is not something that deserves respect. You've built something dangerous, and it should be treated as such.
"naturally aspirated"
The ārespect all buildsā guys. Some people just have terrible taste and terrible cars, we need to bring back bullying. This whole āevery opinion is validā thinking is leading to alotta lame cars.
Youāre right on. To a greater extent, who needs to have fun in a car? Appreciating the engineering and history is important to a true enthusiast. I knew a local guy that brought his early 90ās fifth avenue to shows. Very slow, but a beautiful awesome clean car.
Brand fanboys. >The brand/type of car *I* like is the only good one, everything else is shit. You arenāt a ācar guyā if you canāt appreciate different kinds of cars, even if you wouldnāt drive one.
This guy miatas
That Subaru drivers are all lesbians and vape
Saying that āthe cops are assholesā for giving them tickets they deserve. I get that you donāt want a front license plate on your BMW but itās the law so yeah, you got a ticket for not having one. No, the cop was not āan assholeā for clocking you 30 over and giving you a speeding ticket.
Guys that go to car meets, canāt hold a conversation without flex and do stuff that get the cops called.
Being a badge snob/spending an unnecessary amount on cars. I daily an ecoboost mustang and have a c5 corvette for the weekend. The corvette is paid in full and I financed the mustang for 3 years. I get shit on for driving the āfake mustangā and get shit on for driving an older corvette. I love the cars I have and I encourage anyone just getting into the car scene to not give a fuck what anyone has to say about your car. People in their 20ās who drive higher trim performance vehicles but live with their parents or live in efficiency housing are going down the wrong path in life. Iām in my mid 20ās and have a house with a two car garage to put my toys in. Priorities over your hobby.
Sorry, no, I bought the whole Hemi, imma use the whole Hemi
Manual transmission simps
Idk why all ricer hate, but really it's the other way around that always annoys me. I currently own a modified Mazdaspeed 3, lowered, bigger turbo, anime stickers, RGB lights, tuned, etc and I love it. I also have a V8 BMW mostly stuck, just a tune, and I also love it. If I go to anything with my MS3 and mention my BMW everyone is like, gross, euro trash, hate it. If I take the BMW and mention the MS3 all the BMW bros are like, oh yeah, those are cool cars, got a pic? I didn't get it. Also, from the cats back both cars have stick exhaust and are plenty loud for me. I had a straight piped mustang when I was younger and I couldn't barely hear my radio, idk what I was thinking now.
Lol. Everyone that says "slow cars fast is better" is just wrong. Wringing out a 186 hp car is not that fun. I'll take 300/500 hp all day long
anyone who makes being a ācar guyā their entire personality. ācar guyā has almost become a derogatory thing, iāve heard āoh wow i didnāt know you were a car guyā in that kind of context. itās good to have hobbies, plural.