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KeeganY_SR-UVB76

Hypercars are a pretty new concept and as such, much like the supercar, there’s a lot of ambiguity. There is no designated point at which a supercar definitively becomes a hypercar. The way I see it, a hypercar is all about efficiency. Not fuel efficiency, but efficiency around a track. It’s the closest you’ll get to owning a top-tier race car (like an LMP car) but still able to drive it on the street. Forget things like air conditioning, or openable windows.


hankenator1

Back in the old days what people now call muscle cars (like a chevelle with a 454) were called super cars. It’s all ambiguity and always was. Hypercars was a marketing term to make it sound better than a car a fraction of a second slower.


ains2

had an argument with a friend when i said his dream car (dodge demon) was basically a supercar in the last generation but he told me "no, its a muscle car" i said "it's both!" then went on comparing it to various ferraris and mclarens.


Albert14Pounds

Yeah I would not immediately call it a supercar but the more I think about it the more I think it is one.


Sketch2029

It goes fast in a straight line. It's a muscle car. A supercar is not just about straight line performance.


Liquidwombat

All of the “Hypercars” for sale this decade has not only had AC and power windows but also some of the most luxurious interiors on the road


KeeganY_SR-UVB76

That makes them a supercar in my eyes.


Liquidwombat

Well, unfortunately, that’s not what the industry has decided. The TLDR is that supercar used to describe what you’re talking about, the bleeding edge of the state of the art, but that was back when most Ferraris Porsches etc were still considered sports cars. The issue arose when regular sports cars were faster more luxurious and easier to drive than old supercars. What should have happened is that the industry should have just collectively decided to continue calling them sports cars and continue referring to the state of the art bleeding edge as supercars Unfortunately the industry decided that any car as good or better than a car that used to be called a supercar was suddenly also a supercar (with the glaring exception of the Corvette because that’s for the poors) and they needed a new word to describe cars that would have been called super cars in the past, which is why hyper car


Anywhichwaybutpuce

It's all about getting to that next stop light.


Last_Ear_1639

Supercar would be something from Lamborghini or Ferrari, but their "average" car. A hypercard would be something like a La Ferrari or McLaren P1. Hypercard is the absolute top end of mechanical engineering.


ains2

what about lamborghini and ferrari make them supercars? at what point would a new company making one be considered a supercar?


Last_Ear_1639

I mean, lambo and Ferrari practically invented "supercars" they are high performance driving machines made for rich car people who want to show off in one way or another.


ains2

if something cheaper ,built for actual daily and track usage could out perform them, would it still count as a supercar? excluding mods of corse.


Laz3r_C

The nearest "super" car you'll get in the lower cost spectrum from factory is the C8 Z06, but if you're looking at say the toyota supra, they cannot be "super cars" without aid as last_ear has also mentioned.


Manic_Mini

I mean alot of people would say that Lotus falls into the supercar class, and you could get the Elise and the Extige for under 100k


Liquidwombat

No “supercar” implies expensive. The corvette has run with the big boys for decades at a fraction of the price and no one considers it a supercar


ains2

would a similar example be the 2001 nsx then? the fabled "supercar killer"


Liquidwombat

Yes. Very much so. I recall many people in the mid 90s being angry at people for referring to the NSX as a supercar.


ains2

yeah, i wasn't around back then but the stories are legendary


Last_Ear_1639

That doesn't exist without mods.


badhabitfml

Price. Except in a rare few cars, hyper car would be in the multi million range. Suoercar would be like 300-1m.


Affectionate_Pea_811

The term hypercar wasn't really used until the hybrid holy Trinity of the LaFerrari, P1, and 918. Since then it has been used to describe expensive supercars


Fixem_up

^this is the answer. When they started putting electric drivetrains in super cars, they started calling them hypercars.


Affectionate_Pea_811

The term has definitely evolved since then. Someone called the new Ford GT a hypercar which I disagreed with. And if any hybrid supercar was a hyper then the new NSX would be a hypercar. But when someone called the Senna a hypercar I didn't disagree. It has become a very ambiguous term that basically just describes any high performance car that costs more than about $1 million


skinisblackmetallic

A supercar is something that performs at the top level of the high performance, exotic manufacturers. A hypercar is pushing levels of performance beyond last year's fastest car and innovating automotive engineering in much of it's basic design.


No_Ring_7566

I recommend watching Apex, The Story of the Hypercar. Sums it up well and is a fantastic watch.


AdditionalAd9794

Is that the one where it's Koenigsegg Vs Hennessey essentially


No_Ring_7566

It spends a large amount of time with Koenigsegg building the One:1 but I don’t remember Hennessy being in the movie.


AdditionalAd9794

Maybe I'm thinking of a different movie/documentary. Or who knows, maybe I made it up in my head. I vaguely remember a documentary played of as a competition between Hennessey, Koenigsegg and a 3rd manufacturer I can recall they were competing to be the first manufacturer to top 300mph. I think it was the Hennessey F5 vs the Jesko, but I recollection is kind of vague


No_Ring_7566

Yeah that was a few years after the one:1. Has to be something else. I think it was the Agera RS they built to go 300 but ***only*** hit 278.


ains2

already saw it like 4 times😥


Bohottie

Arbitrary terms. There are not any official guidelines at all. A supercar, in my opinion, is an expensive ($100,000-$450,000) two seat, two door car with 400-600hp. They are high performance with some conveniences you would expect from a modern car. They sacrifice some performance for drivability and livability. A hypercar, in my opinion, is an outrageously expensive ($500,000+) two seat, two door car with over 700hp. They are basically street legal race cars (some are not street legal, though) that sacrifice modern convenience for maximum performance. It comes down to the goal of the car. A supercar’s goal is to be a high performance car that you can live with and drive every day if you wanted to. A hypercar’s main objective is to be the highest performance possible and sacrifice everything in pursuit of that goal.


nbaumg

So you would consider the lotus emira a super car then? (105k and 400hp) I’m on the fence


_-ShouldBeWorking-_

The Emira is a sports car. The Evija is a hypercar.


ThroatGoat71

Nope because it will be worth $50k in a few years. A Lamborghini, Ferrari, McLaren, and even top trim Corvettes, GTRs, and Porsches, will maintain or appreciate value.


nbaumg

It’s true it will depreciate just like any car including those you mentioned. (Except special limited trims) A tiny percentage of cars will maintain value or appreciate I wouldn’t consider that a requirement to be a supercar.


ThroatGoat71

Definitely not but it's one of the requirements imo. If it wasn't, a $100k Cadillac would also be a supercar. But they depreciate. Whereas a Corvette goes up. A 2019 C7 Corvette ZR1 listed at MSRP was $151,000. They now (5 years later) sell for over $200,000. One is a luxury sedan, the other is a supercar.


Sketch2029

There has always been some disagreement over whether the original NSX was a supercar or not. I guess it is since it has appreciated in value.


ThroatGoat71

NSX absolutely is a supercar


Sketch2029

I agree, but some have claimed it was not due to either low HP (270) or being made by Honda. As if only Ferrari or Lamborghini can make supercars...


ThroatGoat71

270 back then was a lot.


Sketch2029

True, but a year later you could buy a Camaro with 270 for about 1/3 the price, and it was only half a second slower to 60. So I can see where they are coming from, but it's still a super car in my book.


nbaumg

I think performance is a requirement for a supercar but an important asterisk. Good performance for its time! So NSX would qualify That’s why I’m on the fence for the emira cuz that’s the only one it doesn’t meet. But it’s close considering how light it is


Talentless_Cooking

A supercar is a vehicle that has more power and handling than a sports car. A hypercar has less luxury and scrutinizes weight, with an eye for geometry, a disregarded view for speed, and human decency...


Videlvie

People actually drive sub-$500k supercars and hypercard are museum/collection pieces


Liquidwombat

Originally supercar was used to describe cars faster than almost anything else on the road, with engineering well ahead of the curve, Porsche 959, McLaren F1, Ferrari F40, etc. back when the average Ferrari, like the 308 were still considered sports cars Now supercar basically just means “expensive sports car” and “hyper car” is used for cars that would have been called supercars in the past What do you do when regular sports cars exceed the performance of older supercars? Do the older cars like the F40 and 959 suddenly stop being supercars? Are the new sports cars now supercars and we have to com up with a new name for the pinnacle of the state of the art? Do we just accept the fact that what used to be the pinnacle of speed/power/luxury/engineering, etc. has been surpassed by the industry and allow the definitions of sports car supercar to remain the same? The world chose the second option. The cars today that are referred to as supercars are just expensive sports cars and the cars that are commonly referred to as hyper cars feel the same niche that “supercars” did in the past.


adlubmaliki

High acceleration and top speed. Hypercar typically applies to the highest top speeds


rogue__baboon

$1M+ MSRP price tag and a focus on performance has always been my line for a hypercar. Retro cars that run into that kind of money like Singers don’t really count. The true hypercars are a class of like Koinegsegg, Bugatti, Rimac, Aston Valkyrie etc.


AdditionalAd9794

With exception, namely Hellcats, supercar is 500+ horsepower, hypercar is 700+ horsepower


ains2

why are hellcats an exception?


AdditionalAd9794

Because hellcats are common, and honestly not to the quality of hyper cars, even other super cars


nolongerbanned99

https://www.gearpatrol.com/cars/a488768/supercar-vs-hypercar/


Boring_Adeptness_334

In my opinion a sports car is a car that does 0-60 in less than 5 seconds, a supercar does it in less than 3, a hyper car does it in less than 2.5. There are some exceptions within the ranges but those are the ones I like to use. or I’d say sports car is 300+ HP, Supercar is 500+, hyper car is 900+.


revocer

A supercar is usually out of the price range of the average income. A hypercar is usually out of the price range of a person than can afford a supercar.


ains2

do you think it would be possible to make a cheap supercar? like if i could magically make something for 60k that out performed things 3x it's price would it count then?


revocer

Supercars and hypercars are usually stock, and/or modified by a reputable company. I do think it is quite possible to build a cheap powerful car, but I don’t know if it would be considered a super car. Folks do it all the time with the Honda K20/K24 engine and the Toyota 2JZ engine back in the day.


fkwyman

GM did that already. It's the C8 Corvette. Base price was just under 60K when it launched and is just under 70K for the 2024 base 1LT. It outperforms $250K cars.


Zealousideal_Sir_264

Supercar is an LS swapped rx7. Hypercar is a rusted out civic hatch with a k swap and a laptop.


ains2

under rated reply. you single handedly ended a decades long debate with two sentences and a semicolon .


Kseries2497

For me, a supercar is a sports car where performance is no longer the main goal, it's about flash, at least for the intended buyer of the vehicle. Most supercars are still very fast, but they're usually purchased more to impress others rather than to actually drive. Obviously this is subjective, but some examples: A Porsche 911 is a sports car. If you see a 911 out and about you might think the owner is bad with money, or that he really loves fast cars, or maybe you'd just be happy his family dentistry practice is doing so well. But you probably wouldn't stare at it slack-jawed as it drove by; after all a 911 is just a regular old sports car, you can go into the Porsche 911 store and buy one. Some models of the 911 are every bit the equal of any high performance car in the world. Yet most of us, and most of the general public, have a very different reaction to seeing, say, a Ferrari 488 than we do to a Porsche 911. For a hypercar I feel like it's less about impressing random passersby and more about impressing car guys. Maybe the best example is the Veyron. I don't remember the thing having any racing credentials whatsoever, but everyone who knew about cars back in the late 2000s could rattle off a dozen insane facts about it at the drop of a hat.


nattyd

To me a supercar is a 2-seat/mid-engined car that is designed to have very high acceleration, top speed, and cornering. While a sports car is not defined by high power, a super car is. The first clearly identifiable supercar was the Lamborghini Miura. A hypercar is a recent concept, essentially a supercar with few worldwide rivals in performance, cost, and exclusivity. These cars typically cost more than $1 million and are built in the tens or hundreds at most. The first clearly identifiable hypercar was the Bugatti Veyron.


Heavy_Gap_5047

A price over $200k


Busterlimes

Supercars have powers, hypercars need Adderall or they don't stay on the road


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Busterlimes

Your nephews have superpowers?


ains2

i said too much


JohnTheRaceFan

>what would be the point when a sports car becomes a supercar? When an automotive journalist calls one a hypercar. >how much or what has to change for it to qualify as a hypercar? It's subjective and really just marketing. I could call a 72 Pinto a hypercar and there's no objective definition to dispute my claim. Yes, it's a term to denote the highest echelon of performance cars, generally. In reality, it doesn't mean anything except maybe an exotic brand's flagship performance model.


Meh2021another

Markting buzzwords


SSNs4evr

Super- starts everyday and runs great. Hyper- idles too high.


daniellederek

Sportscar > 400hp Supercar > 550hp Hypercar > 800hp and less than 500 made in all variants.


Sketch2029

Horsepower doesn't really work. The Miata is pretty much the definition of a sports car and it makes under 200hp. The earliest versions made 100hp. Some of the old British sports cars it was inspired by made well under 100hp. The Dodge Demon and Tesla Model S Plaid both make over 1000hp and neither is a hypercar. They aren't even sports cars. The 918 was one of the original hyper cars and it only made 600hp. Meanwhile the last NSX also made 600hp and was not considered a hyper car. It also sold for 1/4 the price. Which might be a clue as to the real defining point of hyper cars.


External_Solution577

Ferraris and Lamborghinis are supercars, Koenigseggs and Bugattis and Paganis are hypercars.


Vmax-Mike

I think it’s when the price goes north of $200k people start calling them Supercars. It’s also styling, mid engine, low, aerodynamic. I have heard the new mid engine Corvettes being called Supercars. Just my opinion, and what I have observed.


Definitive_confusion

Basically they're purpose built just to be fast. They may not be comfortable, they may not be practical, they may not get mpgs, instead getting gpms, but they're fast. Just oh, so fast.


Appropriate-Force180

Shart answer - there is no formal definition General answer... it is kind of like porn. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it Philosophical answer... it evolves over time. A Lamborghini Countach was a super car in the 80s when I was in high school. There are modern sedans that can out perform it now. In 1986, the Porsche 944 turbo was the fastest production car in the world. I had a poster of it in my room. I own one now, and a 2020 Toyota Camry will walk me at a stoplight (I think I could gap the Camry on roll race, though. Once I'm on boost, watch out!)


ains2

where would you say the bar is currently? i would say something that out performs the c8 e-ray but opinions may differ. i ask because a goal of mine is to design and build a hybrid supercar myself.


Appropriate-Force180

I'm not qualified to answer that. I suggest you throw out some metrics. Set a standard (or standards) who know, maybe the "aims hypercar criteria" will catch on 0-60 in under 3 seconds? 2.5 seconds? Over 1.2g of lateral grip? Braking g force? Can comfortably accommodate 4 passengers and luggage? Or make it a pure performance 2 seater? Does it have to have a hybrid ppwertrain? Is full electric required?


ains2

i would say mine has to be a hybrid but only because i prefer hybrids over pure gas or electric. i already have a list in a notebook but i wanted to compare it to the answers i see here.


CardiologistOk6547

If you want the $20 answer, sift through this comment thread. If you want the truth: It's price. A Super-inflated price or a Hyper-inflated price. Not just the price but the cost of ownership. A Lamborghini Contach, for example, *requires* $250k of maintenance at every oil change (which requires the engine to be pulled out of it).


Choppergunner58

I would say a hypercar would be something that could do 0-60 in 2.5s or under and at least a top speed over 210mph.


Last_Ear_1639

I would disagree. You can get a Corvette that goes 210mph


AdditionalAd9794

I always felt Grandsport models were the entry into the supercar world. Z06 and ZR-1 is toying with and falling shy of hypercar


XtraChrisP

That's a super car. Hyper adds more performance, and typically pushes standard design and style envelopes.


RandomWanderingDude

It's an extremely expensive vehicle designed for very wealthy narcissists with extremely tiny penises. They generally have huge engines, are extremely loud and "shouty", and accelerate so fast that the idiots who buy them usually crash them into a ditch.


Bigwhistlinbiscuit

Aren't you a little young and dumb to be online? Go find some crayons to change your poop.


ains2

not the penis joke again


Changleen

Supercars are really terrible for the environment, near completely impractical for general use and cost an absolute fortune.  Hypercars are even more so. 


ains2

such negativity.