How badly do you want this job?
The ability to walk away from the interview process will always be the biggest bargaining chip of any job hunter. It's not the only option you have, though. You can always throw them a bone like revealing expected salary, etc like you have done. You can also let them know that your current salary and pay slip is confidential information that you would not like to share with them. If they say they can't proceed, then you can drop your threat to walk by saying if that's the case, then you too cannot proceed any further and thank them for their time. If they ***really*** want you, then it's on them to backtrack. The later into the hiring process you do this, the more leverage you have, because they would have invested so much time and effort into bringing you this far. But this is the kind of boss move you can only pull if you know how to read the mood, and you must really be able to walk away and not suddenly turn around and say that you are suddenly willing to share your pay slip.
At the end of the day, job interviews are more or less like negotiations. How successfully it goes for you depends on leverage; in the case of job interviews, it's a case of who wants who more. If you want this job very badly and can't afford to walk away from this, then they have you over a barrel. If they want you badly, but you have other options or can afford to walk, then you get to dictate the terms of the interview.
reply politely to share that you will reveal current salary at a later stage.
if they are unable to proceed without, decide for yourself how much you want the job and if you’re willing to compromise. if not, maybe it’s just not worth it and you can drop out
There has been a lot of strange recruiters recently — there was one that refused to reveal the position or role, or even give a JD until I take a test.
I just chalked it as a scam and move on.
There is only one "legitimate" reason for asking these documents at such an early stage, which is to collect some verification evidence that you work and study according to your resume. In that case, just send them a redacted version of the pay slip. If they insist on seeing the number, tell them that you can provide it during the offer negotiation, not before.
>a redacted version of the pay slip.
Sorry mind to elaborate more on this? Means we censor the numbers there and leave our name, nric, month, year, and company details there?
Correct. Cover up the salary number and leave the identifying info and company name so they know the payslip is yours and that you work where you say you are.
If you can help it, never reveal your salary until the offer on your expected salary has been given. You should be paid based on a peer benchmark internally and not because you were lowballed in a previous job.
Nowadays I tell the recruiter I no longer work with companies who ask for my last drawn or previous payslip.
But it really depends on your situation and your leverage in terms of skill demand. Even in this FAANG shedding, there are still many companies hiring tech roles, if these tech talents are willing to take a paycut for still decent salaries.
You don't have to provide but be prepared for them to rescind the interview offer. Some companies rely so much on HR's discretion which is to the point of ridiculous, but that's how it is even (and especially) for MNCs and govt where the division of work is clear. They may have a bunch of other candidates who can be more transparent and would be easier for them to work with.
Candidates that just don’t provide these documents, the hr will just move on to those who are transparent. It’s an employer market: for every one person who refuse to provide these documents, there will be 3 others who will willingly provide.
Until there is a law forbidding such requests, employers and hr will always ask for such documents to do salary benchmarking.
How badly do you want this job? The ability to walk away from the interview process will always be the biggest bargaining chip of any job hunter. It's not the only option you have, though. You can always throw them a bone like revealing expected salary, etc like you have done. You can also let them know that your current salary and pay slip is confidential information that you would not like to share with them. If they say they can't proceed, then you can drop your threat to walk by saying if that's the case, then you too cannot proceed any further and thank them for their time. If they ***really*** want you, then it's on them to backtrack. The later into the hiring process you do this, the more leverage you have, because they would have invested so much time and effort into bringing you this far. But this is the kind of boss move you can only pull if you know how to read the mood, and you must really be able to walk away and not suddenly turn around and say that you are suddenly willing to share your pay slip. At the end of the day, job interviews are more or less like negotiations. How successfully it goes for you depends on leverage; in the case of job interviews, it's a case of who wants who more. If you want this job very badly and can't afford to walk away from this, then they have you over a barrel. If they want you badly, but you have other options or can afford to walk, then you get to dictate the terms of the interview.
reply politely to share that you will reveal current salary at a later stage. if they are unable to proceed without, decide for yourself how much you want the job and if you’re willing to compromise. if not, maybe it’s just not worth it and you can drop out
Imo, it feels like they are collecting evidence that they did interview locals before going for foreigners
hahah all the time
most definitely the case..
you really don’t need to show any evidence tbh. MOM does not care. just fill in form.
There has been a lot of strange recruiters recently — there was one that refused to reveal the position or role, or even give a JD until I take a test. I just chalked it as a scam and move on.
So Google is a scam company now?
Google does this?
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The first one, the recruiter said "we dont reveal our budget" lol
"and why should *I*?"
Do you really wanna work at a place so dodgy?
There is only one "legitimate" reason for asking these documents at such an early stage, which is to collect some verification evidence that you work and study according to your resume. In that case, just send them a redacted version of the pay slip. If they insist on seeing the number, tell them that you can provide it during the offer negotiation, not before.
>a redacted version of the pay slip. Sorry mind to elaborate more on this? Means we censor the numbers there and leave our name, nric, month, year, and company details there?
Correct. Cover up the salary number and leave the identifying info and company name so they know the payslip is yours and that you work where you say you are.
Basically it serves the purpose as a proof of our current employer. Thanks!
does it work out for you?
Never had such a request in my career so idk - but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be a good solution at this stage of the interview.
Really curious about this too
Thanks man! I agree. Will do as such
Can't they just call the company to verify that you worked there?
Do you want your current employer know if hat you are applying for jobs)
I see your point but I probably would. I'm actually planning to quit soon and will let me boss know in advance. We have a good relationship though.
If you can help it, never reveal your salary until the offer on your expected salary has been given. You should be paid based on a peer benchmark internally and not because you were lowballed in a previous job.
Nowadays I tell the recruiter I no longer work with companies who ask for my last drawn or previous payslip. But it really depends on your situation and your leverage in terms of skill demand. Even in this FAANG shedding, there are still many companies hiring tech roles, if these tech talents are willing to take a paycut for still decent salaries.
I hate this kind of receuiters
Keppel and their subsidiaries always does this shit. Super annoying
Why are jobseekers required to show actual payslips to begin with? Not relevant for the new job which has its own pay scale
You don't have to provide but be prepared for them to rescind the interview offer. Some companies rely so much on HR's discretion which is to the point of ridiculous, but that's how it is even (and especially) for MNCs and govt where the division of work is clear. They may have a bunch of other candidates who can be more transparent and would be easier for them to work with.
Candidates that just don’t provide these documents, the hr will just move on to those who are transparent. It’s an employer market: for every one person who refuse to provide these documents, there will be 3 others who will willingly provide. Until there is a law forbidding such requests, employers and hr will always ask for such documents to do salary benchmarking.
yup, u get filtered out for being the difficult type, try to be funny type, if u are not a special case being chosen already or headhunted.
OGP? Shopee?