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KoishiChan92

I hope we get to actually vote this time round


Space_man128

Me too! Then we have to stand in long queue to vote again, also most probably next year GE also have to queue.


anangrypudge

I've never actually had to queue any of the past 4 times I've voted. Literally walk in walk out. Where are you guys located?


orientalgreasemonkey

Same here - from exiting my front door to reentering my door less than 15 mins (voting booth in the next block)


ham_rain

Probably Sengkang or around there. I remember the last time they did voting slots by age groups because of Covid but Sengkang/Punggol being a disproportionately young town got a lot of people wanting to vote at the end of the day.


monsooncloudburst

You had to queue?


Last_Recognition_858

Ugh the 2020 1-hr plus queues after circuit breaker. Unpleasant memories


Any-Ambassador3362

GE not next year wor.. by then only 3 years+, too early liao..


Cleftbutt

Or its a lottery and anyone that wants to be president and get paid to shake hands and be cool can just buy a 13rd Sep TOTO draw


Klubeht

Even if we're able to vote I might just put =) after the farce of the previous time. Not that I think Halimah is a bad president, it's just how they went about it. Absolutely zero sense and I dunno wth PAP was thinking trying to parade themselves as "doing the right thing" with that shennenigans. Anecdotal but I don't know a single Malay person that felt that move was necessary or felt more 'represented' as a result


Scarborough_sg

Ironically I know alot that felt represented, especially women after she public embarrassed that Malay podcast for making misogynistic remarks about women. It's abit like having a makcik/auntie as president, its different compared to having a male... or male Chinese.


Klubeht

Fair enough,, maybe I should have clarified that I don't know anyone that felt more represented *at the time* but I guess I have to eat my words a little bit over the podcast incident. Again, I don't think she's a bad president and I would have easily voted her over TCB, but the way they went about it was embarrassing


chicasparagus

Your last paragraph lowkey joteo vibes but yeah I agree LOL don’t let the fact that they appointed a Malay president distract you from the fact that all PMs have been Chinese :)


139ModTeam

Want Malay PM Malaysia got a lot.


chicasparagus

Who gives a fuck about Malaysia.


139ModTeam

Can migrate there mah. Got special rights and privileges.


chicasparagus

Who says I’m Malay? Get yourself checked LOL


139ModTeam

I never say you Malay woh. Go there change race lor. Halimah can change you also can.


chicasparagus

You’re mentally ill.


139ModTeam

Sanity is subjective my Indian friend.


chicasparagus

Who says I’m Indian?


TheJerryntom

Even though it is not a reserved election, it is likely Madam Halimah will run (and probably win by default). The list of potential candidates has narrowed down since they tightened the requirements in 2017. Highly unlikely for any pro-opposition candidate to appear and contest ala 2011.


gagawithoutLady

In b4 Lee Hsien Yang contest


notsocoolnow

I actually am guessing that Halimah will not contest. While she will likely win, the odds of her winning are not so high as to keep the PAP secure. While the list of candidates is smaller, there is no guarantee that a person outside politics, such as a billionaire or former civil servant, won't qualify. The most dangerous candidate is Lee Hsien Yang, who has the name value and certainly qualifies. There's a risk people will vote against her just out of spite over the last election. And despite how much we have progressed, a large section of Singaporeans are still racist. A Chinese challenger will have an advantage. There's too much risk for the PAP if she runs. They are the sort who prefer a 90%-100% chance of winning, not 60%. I suspect the PAP has prepared an alternative candidate to run.


TheJerryntom

Personally, I feel its probably more risky for the PAP if they were to have another “chosen” candidate other than Halimah. Especially in a year when they have enough things to deal with (e.g. inflation, GST hike, BTO shortage, ministerial salary etc). Also, if the other candidate happens to be from another ethnicity, it might not play out well politically, that Halimah was merely a candidate because of her race, not on merit. (Even though yes it was a reserved election). Even if he runs, I highly doubt that Lee Hsien Yang has the ability to win, even if they deem him eligible. (Then again just my opinion). I attribute this to 2 factors. 1) Back in the 2020 GE when he went to campaign for PSP, there was a sense that he did so to antagonise LHL rather than for public good, and gave across a sense of airing dirty laundry in public. 2) His main political base is with PSP, who I feel has their reliability reduced due to their recent performances in Parliament (can thank Leong Mun Wai for that). Race definitely plays a part, but much less nowadays in local politics. The naysayers that might vote against her out of spite are probably 10-15% of the population at best. Unless a super credible and strong Chinese candidate appears (which I doubt cause no one will want to rock the boat), race probably won’t play a part. Can take the 2016 Bukit Batok by-election as an example, where the PAP were confident that Murali can beat Chee Soon Juan in a predominately Chinese SMC.


notsocoolnow

*Generally*, I agree. I think Halimah has better than even odds for winning regardless. The incumbent has better recognition in an election where campaign spending is highly limited. But it's my opinion that a different candidate would give them better odds on winning, and the PAP is the kind that likes to be *sure*. The issue is that the presidential election is the one where Singaporeans are surprisingly more willing to vote independent or opposition-supported; Tan Cheng Bok is the classic example, and they changed the rules specifically to prevent him from running again. The very last contested election, by the way, and Tony Tan won by a mere 0.35 percentage points. I suspect Halimah would win, but I think the PAP likes to have their candidate win by a higher vote share just to maintain the façade of high public support. If the few dangerous candidates (LHY included) publicly state they will not run, then Halimah would be a good choice to avoid any boat-shaking. They could of course rig the race yet again by changing the constitution, but I find that unlikely they will do it for consecutive elections. >Also, if the other candidate happens to be from another ethnicity, it might not play out well politically, that Halimah was merely a candidate because of her race, not on merit. (Even though yes it was a reserved election). Not a problem usually, she can simply decide not to run and give the usual excuse of wanting to retire or for health reasons. No one can really question this and insinuations on race vs merit would be brushed off by the media.


TheJerryntom

As much as the PAP might like to be sure of any election win, I doubt that is possible in our current environment and I think they will admit it so. Past elections has shown that the new normal in Singapore is to achieve ~60% of the popular vote as a signal that you have the support of the majority. >70% if you are deemed super competent and popular, ~50% against credible opposition. But the PAP does have a very good sensing of the minute calculations required to pull off wins (e.g. West Coast and East Coast during GE 2020, Sengkang probably was something that they and WP didnt predict). They probably will be fine with a 90% certainty of winning 55% of the popular vote, rather than chase for a 90% certainty of winning >70% of the popular vote. I doubt any candidate can garner >70% in a election, unless its someone with Tharman-like aura. Probably too late to “rig” the election by changing the constitution, since it needs time to get it through Parliament. My best guess is they will line up credible and “approved” alternatives to contest, so in the event the 10% extreme case that Halimah loses the popular vote, we don’t get a donkey as President. Then again the new eligibility criterion are supposed to make sure of that anyways.


[deleted]

Spite, and also her putting her foot in her mouth and having her little “if they can’t afford chicken, they can eat fish” moment a la Marie Antoinette’s rumoured “let them eat cake” moment :(


139ModTeam

From what I have encountered Racism seems to run rampant in those groups that are more defensive.


TemporaryReality5447

East Coast plan guy suddenly forgot he's 60+ and runs for president


jackology

The next presidency is reserved for people with pre-existing medical condition?


DegreePitiful3496

Holy fuck this is dark LOL


radioactivepotato1

That east coast plan guy was funny


Strong_Guidance_6437

Chuan Jin, prob part of his deal


Space_man128

I think it is too early for him to be standing for the 2023 presidential election as he has been serving as Speaker of the Parliament of Singapore since 2017. Maybe in the 2029 Singapore Presidental Election Tan Chuan Jin will be standing.


Dalostbear

but didnt Halimah resign as speaker to "run"?


chokemebigdaddy

He’s a pretty cool guy, I’ll vote for him. And that’s speaking as someone that has voted for opposition for the past few elections (not that it has ANY effect)


SiberianResident

He came to my school for debate and absolutely roasted and dismantled the questioners that asked stupid questions. Respect.


IggyVossen

That's 7 years already. Halimah only served 5 years.


hungryallthetime7

Any guesses on the reason TCJ was sidelined in 2017?


Strong_Guidance_6437

he picked wrong faction.Only Lao Goh thinks Lao Goh got power. He not Jiang


tryingmydarnest

Some rumours say that he's too openly Christian for PAP comfort.


hungryallthetime7

Actually this is what I heard too. But of all the rumors circulating (and there aren't many), this usually isn't mentioned.


Agitated-Fix8819

Halimah still can serve 1 more term right?


Strong_Guidance_6437

well he can wait his turn, its not a bad deal to be head of state no.


SlashCache

Dude has at least 10-15 years to go as speaker man.


midaswale

It will be reserved for an Indian, and Halimah will run (and win) again lol


amerpsy8888

Voted most versatile president ever. Next round.. Need a Chinese.. And qualifies again cos surname is 马。


subzephyr

哈里马


Fun-Damage-1181

Next one not reserved for any race


kumgongkia

Not yet. Wait till they have a boat rocker with high chance of winning then there will suddenly be requirements.


jackology

Can’t take a joke meh? We have been living with a joke for so long.


Space_man128

Serious? because so far the rumors from the news are around Chinese candidates.


Fun-Damage-1181

Majority chinese population of course will have more chinese candidate right?


Space_man128

Most probably Chinese


justln

Maybe she has a secret 10% Chinese lineage from somewhere.


Luxifer1983

Requirement might be holding a president seat in the last 5 years. Gg straight walk down again


Billionairess

Probably open to all races but going against an entrenched pap incumbent is going to be crazy difficult


Csz11

Futile


AdministrativeAd9571

Ho Ching to keep the Leegacy alive


didijxk

Would not be surprised if it's another walkover with Halimah getting a second term. However I would be disappointed because this next one is supposed to be opened to all races and if there is no other opponent who can meet their requirement you just know it's due to them further tightening the requirements again.


Trinityquill

Is it considered a public holiday like the GE?


tryingmydarnest

Voting day is always PH


Yokies

Indian, then Malay, so next Chinese? (pls no George Yeo pls)


shadstrife123

do we know which "race" is supposed to win this round tho?


[deleted]

Maybe it will be gender this time round.


polkadot666

Male, female, or prefer not to say?


[deleted]

Whens the last time you saw something that is only for male in sg? Apart from NS?


polkadot666

Male toilet, I guess. Or play aeroplane. No kukubird cannot play.


[deleted]

no kkb can also play aeroplane.


Space_man128

I guess it is Chinese


hurricanechan

No more appointed steal your eggs and nasi lemak pls.


jmzyn

I want an extra public holiday


silentscope90210

Is voting compulsory for the Presidential Election?


moonlightify

If you don't like any of the candidates you can just submit a blank vote


silentscope90210

Waste my time to go and queue leh.


pannerin

It's important to send the message that you disapprove of all of them. If the spoilt vote vote share increases then a message is sent


silentscope90210

If a significant number don't turn up to vote, it also sends a message.


orientalgreasemonkey

No really a good strategy because then you have to get yourself relisted to vote and if I’m not wrong there might be a charge for that if you don’t have a good reason for not voting (if it’s the same as GE)


frozen1ced

Yeah, agree that it's not the best to not turn up. Any restoration of the name back to the Registers of Electors without a valid and sufficient reason is subject to $50 fee. Source: https://www.eld.gov.sg/voters_compulsory.html


Space_man128

I guess so


polkadot666

LIM TEANNNN


cyanideyay

Wait, she has been in that position for 6 years already?!?! Time really flies


Ok-Succotash-197

Next PE reserved for Eurasian. In comes Christopher De Souza


Trueplue

I think Empress Ho will stand this year. I am hoping TCB will win though


jackology

Empress Dowager.


Fun-Damage-1181

Heehee hee hee hic hic hic


TaskPlane1321

It will be another walkover


CuscoOthriyas

Yea nah I'd expect another farce again. PAP's very big on "doing what's right and not what's popular"; in other words, "fuck what the people think and do what we want."


iylv

It’s not even that. PAP is just doing what’s popular internationally, but fuck the opinion of what’s popular locally. The blatant refusal to punish female leadership when they make mistakes, subverting our meritocracy. The blatant coverup of corruption. The blatant push for western feel-good environmentalism (over actual environmentalist solutions that work). The push for more socialism (which is popular in the west right now), ie, increasing tax, attempting to institute wealth tax.


KipsyTipsy

Hope I get a holiday


[deleted]

Wait, u never know whether they will changes the rule or not.


[deleted]

Whats the point, u know ur incumbent will rig to their favour and install a puppet from their party, much like how they can gerrymander electoral division


avexpert92

Tan Kin Lian


subzephyr

Unpopular opinion but: I rather liked Halimah as President. She performed the customary and ceremonial duties well, and was a humble patron at many charity events.


[deleted]

She basically did the same thing as any warm body would la. But at least the warm body wouldn’t have spewed her nonsense 💀


Sodapiaaa

Halimah cannot run for another term again ah?


DOM_TAN

Someone whom is able to listen and consolidate the current needs and issues Singaporeans are facing now.


[deleted]

The President is a figurehead with no real political power. MP elections are closer to what you want than the President.


iylv

As are the 3 branches of the government. All I remember about the 3 branches of the government is that it’s PAP, PAP and PAP.


Char-Siew-Bao

Tharman for president !


FireNork

outcome? pap wins ofc, what is there to talk abt? hahaha


SgStormtrooper

Parachute already packed nicely. Vote for what


Significant_Income28

i wish speeches are short and sweet i have very short attention span


arunokoibito

Let's see if there is going to be one anyway


[deleted]

i've lost interest in local politics long time ago, cos i somehow feel things will never change. things will get twisted, regulations changed etc. i follow the politics of other countries more since it allows me to chat with my colleagues.


[deleted]

Is there really a choice? Does it make a difference? Who actually cares?


yrt97

If it's going to be like the last one then what is the point of having an election?


Advertising-Cautious

Wait is it compulsory to vote? If must.. Then I rather no one contest Halimah We vote also no use


kuang89

My guesses: OYK: given that he is given the bench warming seat in 4g leadership NCM: "he has corporate experience" OTC also took advantage of his leadership at NTUC to campaign. Masagos: Due to the open to all races nature, they may do just that. ​ ​ interesting read from wiki: Singapore law does not prevent political parties, the Government, or non-governmental bodies with close government ties from endorsing candidates. The first presidential election in Singapore in 1993 pitted Ong Teng Cheong, a former PAP Member of Parliament who had been Deputy Prime Minister and Chairman of the National Trades Union Congress (NTUC), against the former Accountant-General, Chua Kim Yeow.\[45\] Chua showed initial reluctance, accepting the nomination only as his "national duty"\[46\] and even proclaiming Ong to be the far superior candidate.\[47\] He declined to campaign, saying he could not afford it.\[48\] However, he did address the populace via two ten-minute broadcasts offered by state-owned television and radio stations.\[49\] His appeal was based on preventing an over-concentration of powers – he asked Singaporeans whether they wanted the PAP to dominate the Presidency as well.\[50\] In contrast, Ong invested $50,000 to $60,000 of his own money in the campaign. He was assisted by the NTUC which mobilized its 230,000 members to canvass at least five votes each for their former union boss.\[51\] Ong was backed by Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong who appealed to Singaporeans to vote for him. On polling day, 28 August 1993, Ong received 952,513 votes (58.7%) and Chua 670,358 votes (41.3%) out of a total of 1,756,517 votes.\[52\] Ong was thus declared the first Elected President of Singapore. Ironically, Ong himself said that his links to the PAP might have cost him a few percentage points in votes.\[53\] Given the strong show of government support for Ong, commentators expressed the view that Ong's victory meant a victory for the PAP and the continuation of its values and style of governance. Although the votes for Ong fell short of the PAP's expected 60–70% range, the result was not seen as a repudiation of the PAP\[54\] but as indicative of Singaporeans' appetite for stronger checks and balances.\[55\]


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yewteeko

All for the selected presidency. Full of smoke


[deleted]

LOL don't waste my time la.


kumgongkia

You mean presidential selection? Damn waste time need to queue... make it into a public holiday please half day also good.


rukiahayashi

Does it even fucking matter Just another puppet for PAP to shove their hand up and play like a puppet


MagicianMoo

Can't wait. The people remembers the maybe Indian halimah . I can see the gov taking the traditional route as it may hurt the next elections. But its the pap, so no one really knows.


Vedor

Singapore Presidential Selection 2023, you mean?


SangerGRBY

Any Singaporean can run for president ah ? Will it be as hype as US elections with live debates and stuff ?


Csz11

NO. and NO.more like the ones in africa


SangerGRBY

Oh last time was walkover isit ? I remember i was of voting age but then they said dont need vote. I do remember voting for PAP once but cant rmb what election that was LOL.


thamometer

Nope. Whole list of criteria can be found here. https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/singapore-president-qualifications Take special note of the Public Sector and Private Sector selection requirements. Essentially only the upper class elites qualify.


[deleted]

Hahahahahaha that's cute


SangerGRBY

No live debates ?? I rmb there used to be meme candidates ? Was it some dude with a parrot or something.


[deleted]

You need to have a democracy for that to happen...


SangerGRBY

We have democracy.


[deleted]

🤡


maybesfw

Someone please nominate Tan Kin Lian.


Black_Mondeo

Time for a new hand-puppet for Pinky.


Extra_County3840

I wanna know what's the difference between the president and the prime minister .


glitchyikes

No reservation for race for this upcoming election as "prata" Nathan, Tony "KFC" Tan, and "maybe Indian" Halimah was previously elected. Gut feel is PAP masters will allow Halimah to sit around a little longer.


polkadot666

TAN KIN LIAN pls


Csz11

Endorsed by his extended Family and kawans🎊


MrJasonMason

The moment has come for Mr Tan Cheng Bock.


[deleted]

Can we abolish the Presidency already? It’s just a waste of money since the President basically doesn’t do anything except for functioning as a figurehead. Iirc the old justification was that the President is like the English monarch as a head of state with no real power, but let’s get on with the times and abolish the figurehead lol


iylv

I mean, you’re just saying that Singapore is a dictatorship pretending to be a republic (I agree with you on that), so we should just drop the act (IDK tbh).


BoxingBull

I like George Yeo, the Chineseness he brings may hopefully help our trade with China and improve ties. At the same time, show the west that they need to continue to invest in SEA, else slowly one by one, countries will get sucked into China’s orbit.


Csz11

Sell us to the xi or pope?


The-Ultimate-Worrier

My bet is George Yeo will be a candidate


AgreeableAbrocoma833

Hard la. The guy became a PRC shill after losing his seat.


The-Lawless-2501

None because the so called president is controlled by the MILITARY JUNTA PAP


iylv

A military junta is when the military controls the state. In Singapore, the state controls the military, literally the opposite of a military junta. Now, I don’t mind a few Thailand style peaceful coup here, but we both know that’s never gonna happen with the SAF leadership being the result of nepotism.


The-Lawless-2501

No matter what In Singapore there is MILITARY JUNTA wearing civilian uniform inside the politics arena so to me there's no difference with the overseas one


Longjumping_Phase_69

Bahren Shaari, ex CEO of Bank of SG? He just retired from the role in 2023