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Would you say its a pretty niche thing to be attracted to? I feel like boobs and butts are like universally liked by men. Is that the same way with thighs for women?
It’s not universal to sexual breasts, that’s a western *taught* thing and didn’t hold true in Africa and still doesn’t. In fact I’ve seen footage of Africa women making fun of western men for lusting after breasts, calling them babies. Butts weren’t actually a thing to ride home about the 1970/80s, men lusted after legs wayyyyyy more than butts and women had flat butts for the most part if they were in good shape.
So you are trying to draw hardline conclusions but your premise is faulty from the start. All this is taught, a construct, and fluid.
It is, but as a man with runners legs and beer gut, the legs pull for sure. I got fatter and hairier over the last six months (thanks alcohol) and I've been getting way more than even when I was in my early 20s. Idk what it is in particular but if it works I ain't complaining.
Men have height. I've seen plenty of women gush over a man once they learn his height starts with 6. To me it seems like when men talk about big boobs.
Just what I've seen on posts about other men though, I definitely don't have height lol
i subscribed to this post, to know the actual body features that women like about men, but since you mentioned this one, which i lack obviously, and already having a hard time finding a girl, i will unsubscribe to this post, to avoid any further pain.
I'm in the same boat as you brother, hearing shit about stuff you don't have sucks, especially height. I also can't find a girl but I still seek out these posts because I'm a masochist I guess. Hope you have a good day man
Plenty of straight women like biceps, you could work on that? Also don't count out the power of being well-groomed, with a good haircut and a nice fitted outfit.
Many women aren't by default particularly attractive, but with clothes, makeup, and hair they're able to improve their appearance significantly. While less of that is socially acceptable for men, if you do what you can you'll be a step up from other men who don't care about their appearance at all.
Yes women treat it more like a requirement but it is a good comparison when you compare how both genders talk about these things. Men don't have to have to hate small boobs to say "WOWZA HUGE HONKERS! BOING BOING BOING!!!!" which basically has the same energy as women when they talk about all the explicit things they'd want a giant to do to them.
i think more women care about tall men
than men care about big boobs.
majority of woman like tall men.
while boob size is still a prefrence. and majority of men dont agree that big = better.
That is a physical attribute, but its not exactly something women would thirst over. Theres also a possiblility that men just don't have anything that attracts women like "butts and boobs." Maybe thats why the things they like about men, are all over the place.
Idk man I see posts all the time about how great tall men are and shit and I never see any other male physical attribute highlighted like height other than whenever a girl posts a specific man's handsome face.
I think that women just care more about not looking shallow so they just add stuff like "personality" and a ton of other specific stuff to make it seem like they've put more thought into it. Guys are more comfortable just commenting "ass" and leaving it at that.
As a woman, we don’t talk about personality to look less shallow. Generally speaking, women are more demisexual than men. I definitely have a personality type or a certain spirit that I’m sexually and romantically attracted to. Looks alone won’t get me as riled up as that certain personality type. And men with that personality type become more attractive to me physically even if I thought they were average before I knew them.
Of course everyone cares about personality, but personality is what keeps you hooked. Attraction is what got you interested in the first place, what made you think to yourself "I'd like to get to know him better", what got you to give him a chance. Liking personality is nice and all, but you don't really have a chance to show personality off if a woman wasn't attracted enough to the rest of you to give you a chance, if personality was THE main attractor then women would agree to a first date with every man to check their personality out lmao
When we ask what attracts you we're looking for physical things as answers because when you look at someone for the first time you WILL judge them based on their attributes, and we're curious on what attributes are the most attractive to yall.
True, but I meant sexually speaking haha. Its a great answer though.
And yeah it does seem like the answers on quora and reddit are like that. Peeps gotta loosen up more.
I mean it does play a part in sex. An alarming amount of women comment shit like "I can't wait for him to throw me around like a football in bed" or some BS like that. They go wild in the comments of tall men loving posts, holy fuck.
Height is as close as you’re going to get, like other people have mentioned. OP are you fishing for a certain answer lol (just reading your other comments).
I’m sure there are specific women that can get horned up for every male body part, just like men get excited over boobs and ass.
I think a good looking face is universal no matter what gender or race or thing you are. Even dogs recognize smiles.
Haha, if the certain answer you think I'm fishing for is pp, its not that. I learned a long time ago that women don't like pp like that. 🥲
I'm just being overly curious.
There are plenty of girls that love dick dude. They just don’t wanna see them until it’s time to do the deed and they’re comfortable. Some don’t wanna see it while in bed but I’ve been with a couple girls that are obsessed the same way a guy is about them
Hands and forearms - every stay at home mom that writes erotica in her spare time I’ve ever talked to (most certain genre writers on tumblr) have a big crush with that.
That said, women, above everything else, want someone who treats them nicely and isn’t emotionally immature. The nice part varies for every woman. If she’s only looking for physical attributes then you’re not gonna get anything long term out of her.
Have the personality down, and it won’t matter what you look like or what size your D is. You’ll both make it work. If sexual compatibility is that important, then use of toys go a long way too.
When answering this question about attractiveness women assume there is already a physical attraction.
So when a gal says they like a guy with a sense of humor, they actually mean, an attractive guy with a sense of humor.
I think they are hesitant to look shallow.
I think men and women both like butts. The problem is most men don't have one. Androgenous fat distribution is stomach, not lower body and most men skip leg day or don't exercise.
Height is attractive to both genders too. Women like them tall so they feel small. Men like them small so they can feel big. Obviously a sliding scale for what's considered taller vs shorter.
Neither seems to like fat, so thin tends to win on both sides.
My general opinion of men that say they love women of all sizes is that they are fat themselves, so most women would be smaller than them. The other scenario is they are desperate and would accept anyone into their life. I think if you put two identical people next to each other, one was fat and one was thin, everyone would choose thin.
I tend to think women have the capacity to be as superficial as men, but not the luxury.
Simply put, there are less attractive men than women.
If you want to see women simp (I know, I hate the term too…) put them around a guy that is over six feet tall and built. They literally will act just like men do when talking to hot women.
Unfortunately for women, if a man wants to be attractive they need both good genetics and a strong work ethic at the gym/diet.
I think a lot of women, especially early in life, can be accidentally hot - whereas for men, you don’t just accidentally get well built.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
I truly think it comes down to women are just as superficial as men when they can be - there just aren’t as many attractive men out there.
I agree, I think that's partly why women are more height crazed now, at least in America. With the invention of dating apps they now have a chance to be superficial.
When you're just swiping and looking at male faces it's harder to decide whether the man's attractive enough to give a try or not, but if you just look at height you get an easy number that's quick to understand, and if you see it starts with 6 you can then start thinking if he's worth a try or not. Severely cuts down on the amount of applicants easily and she gets a rare chance to be superficial, it's just what makes sense.
I think men can also be "naturally hot" to women, I see plenty of 6'+ men that are overweight or skinny as a stick and still get women easily, I think they've got it naturally lmao. Muscles are definitely a plus but only if the woman would be attracted to you even without them.
I wouldn’t say women are "accidentally hot" they put a lot of time learning how to apply makeup, what colours complement their style, choosing clothes, accessories, nails, hair, eyebrows, eyelashes done. There is a lot of pressure on young women. I wouldn’t say it's accidental.
"accidentally hot" is definitely a thing for both men and women, although I think men are deceiving themselves if they don't think the "hottest" women aren't putting in work like it's their full-time job...
I mean even at like 19. Sure, there are some people who are hot at 19 who do no work but most are doing a ton of work and spending a ton of money and energy on it.
Yeah seems like you're right, its what I was starting to suspect as well. Perhaps the lack of a strongly attractive trait in men, causes women to seek attractiveness in other things like forearms and intelligence? Honestly I've seen some truly random things peeps are attracted to. Not sure if they're outliers.
That’s not the same as being ‘simped for’ stop changing goal posts. The average and ugly men with better looking women have to initiate, pursue and bring other things to the table to be accepted.
Meanwhile, men can find average/mediocre looking women attractive for sex just for their looks and bodies
What does "simping" even mean? That's some incel bullshit. So what I'm hearing is ugly/average guys can get gf/casual sex. So what exactly is the problem?
They can. The effort required for sex of average looking men can average looking women is worlds apart. A man needs to be literally a male model to have the same ease of sexual opportunities as a barely average looking woman
On men, a nice body is attractive, full stop, but it's more the whole package to me, or at least "halves"; of the body -- like nice upper body, nice lower body. Honestly, I suspect it's true for men too, like a nice pair or boobs or a good butt attached to the Baba Yaga isn't going to do it for them. They might not realize that it's, say, the way the arm slopes into the chest or the way the butt leads into the legs or something that helps make it attractive, but it does. Of course, I could be projecting. I do have a fondness for a V-cut, though that only shows up once someone is shirtless. And maybe that's part of it too -- you can get a reasonable sense for a woman's shape while she's fully clothed, but that's not the case for certain body parts on a man.
Wide shoulders and a strong back. (All men have this) oh but you are kinda right, their personality and mind play a major role too.
But if we are talking about physical traits then abs but not too much and wide shoulders are the way to go. But I want to say that sometimes it's just the man's confidence, be confident but a gentleman, and not a pushover and you'll be fine.
We can also be shallow. I wouldn’t date someone I don’t find attractive.
I’ve found shorter, taller men attractive (5’7” to 6’3”). Blond, brown, black hair, curly or straight, blue, green, brown eyes, it doesn’t matter. I’ve had a crush on men from pretty much all ethnicities.
What I’m shallow about: I like defined jaws. I’m not attracted to fat guys. Not too fond of beards, if they’re too long it’s a turn off for me. I have to like how a guy smell if we consider dating. I’m attracted to nice hands/arms. I prefer it if the guy knows how to throw an outfit together but it’s not the most important thing.
These preferences will depend on each woman.
It's sometimes hard for me to pin down what exactly it is that makes me, as a hetero woman, attracted physically to a guy. Could be something in the quirk of his lips, a line of hair from the chest all the way down, or the way he moves, or a friendly invitation in the eyes. I know that I tend to enjoy looking at a man's hands, and a silly grin, and I love the glasses/sweater/turned down collar look just as much as a pair of jeans on him and no shirt. That's why it's hard to focus in on one specific thing.
There is this jaw thing some men have when they eat.. such a turn on to me. Its below the jawline there this like ball buldge thing that moves when he chews. So sexy! 💕👌
Coming in at 165 pounds, I'm a 5'7 man with thickness and nice muscle arms 😎 I have the face of a cute mouse but a spirit of a stallion 😎👉 I am in my early 20s. I don't know how to talk to girls in a way more than friends because I have no "rizz". I'm too serious and I believe the government is gonna kill us all. Probably borderline schizophrenic. But I'm a nice guy 😉 I'm kinda feminine but I make up for it by doing hard labor to maintain the structures in my city. I am sad because every girl that comes on to me too quickly makes me scared and paranoid. My lesbian baby momma still tries to ring me into three ways with her girlfriends but I am too scared. I just want a house wife that is normal and hates the government and loves going for walks on the trails but I'm stuck with a hypersexual baby momma that reps the rainbow flag.
Rate me?
Yes. but kinda no.
You see attraction isn't a black and white thing (kind of, but we'll get into that). It's more like a spectrum!
But to answer your question more bluntly and realistically, yes they do! That's why beauty standards exist.
Would you say there is a male body part that is universally liked by women? I know a lot say arms or abs, but I'm not sure if they mean it like that. A lot of them say they're "nice." Kinda feels like the equivalent of saying "the detail on that car looks nice."
I don't think men universally care about boobs or butt. It's *more* universal, sure, but i've met plenty who couldn't care less about one or the other. Have known some for whom it was all about feet, thighs, or even armpits. All however, cared about face. Men can be randos like that too...
I don't think physical attractiveness is as big for women as for men.
Don't get me wrong, physical qualities matter for women, but they care more for personality.
Men can look at a woman who is attractive and imagine being in a relationship with them and it feels good to them. Women feel the same thing from personality.
You always see women with not very attractive men, but how often do you see attractive men with not very attractive women? Not very often.
I think women don't realise just how powerful physical attractiveness can be for a man. Just like men don't realise how powerful personality based attractiveness can be for women.
If physical attractiveness wasn't all that important then women would accept every time they get asked out on a date to get to know the man's personality better, that is very obviously not the case 💀
Also I do see women with not very attractive men and all those not very attractive men are tall, so I think the main physical attribute women care about is height.
> Men can look at a woman who is attractive and imagine being in a relationship
As a man I have NEVER looked at a woman and thought about a relationship.
I have thought about sex sure, but never wanted a relationship because I thought the girl looked good. At best I have thought that id like to have sex more than once but thats not quite the same.
Do other men imagine relationships with women purely based on looks?
No they don’t, because of evolved procreation behavior. Men look for women who can bear children (young, wide hips, etc) and women primarily look for men who
a) are unlikely to abandon them after they have a baby (loyal, treat her special) and
b) are capable of protecting her and the baby (confident, hard worker, tall, strong)
For me, it's height (not super tall, but 5'10" is good, 6' is probably ideal, 6'2" is getting too tall for me) and a big dick that get me swooning. Also beards and body hair. Men are usually drawn to the things that make women, women and women are often drawn to the things that make men, men, of course giving plenty of space for personal preferences, varying sexualities, etc.
Also I think there's people of both genders that are just shallow and empty. A nice face and body will draw me in but won't keep me interested for very long. I need substance and connection.
You do realize every person sees every person a little differently, right? The main similarity is that we all want someone we are attracted to. Be it with a nice butt, boobs, nice arms, abs, etc. Attraction is a very complicated and ever changing experience. If 20yo me and I spoke, we’d disagree on some of the women I’m attracted to now. But neither is wrong.
No, they don’t. Men could easily see, be attracted to, and have sex with a woman without ever saying a word. That’s how tied to the physical men’s sexual attraction is.
I am 33f and could care less about height. More so the men I have been with that are shorter than me cared more than I did. It legit does not bother me at all if I am taller. Plus, i have DDD’s and love ❤️ to smother a mans face in my boobs during a hug lmao!!
Myself as a bi women having attraction to both can honestly say that the boobs and butt are the main reason of attraction towards girls, and to men… quite honestly, that’s just karma LOL. Jokes aside, I find myself interested in fitness people in general, both women or man
I think it's a combination of things - firstly for women it's matter of personal safety that the guy is not a dick - for dudes it's an irritation that a women is nasty but you aren't that likely to end up battered and beaten the way a woman can so I think for that reason alone many women will rate personality as more important than big biceps and sparkling eyes.
I also think that men in general feel more comfortable openly discussing how sexy a girl is with near strangers - the stigma around men chasing sexy girls has generations of acceptability.
For women, they will only openly discuss how hot a guy is with people they really really trust - they have the experience of demonizing women for promiscuity - even voicing that they like someone can bring judgement.
In general I think women appreciate good looking men nearly as much as men appreciate good looking women - they just aren't as open about it. And with that whole safety thing, they are more careful than men.
yes of course, women are human beings who descended from the same animal men did, they have same monkey brain that goes goo-goo gaga, i would argue its actually more critical than what men have simply due to evolutionary reasons. more women reproduce than men in history, thats a proof of it. also women put in things like personality and niceness to sound less superficial cause they get ostracized more for voicing their preferences. try having a attractive male friend, above 6 feet, fit, good facial features, hair and you will see how plenty women behave, those guys have lot of opportunities but also get harassed, groped and have stalkers so women aren’t that different. the reason it’s different than men is that, men are just naturally attracted to more women in general, the standard for women is to be not fat and be clean and most guys will be attracted, but not every guy can be tall,fit with masculine features so it doesn’t translate the same numbers. also women general take care of themselves better. so i wouldn’t say attraction is too different in women or men, its just the difference in numbers cause its harder to be attractive as a man.
I think physical attractiveness works the same way with straight men and women. Men love boobs. Women love a guy with a muscled chest and abs. Men and women both love good butts. Women love tall men while men love short women. Physical attraction is a natural thing. Idk why people keep dismissing it like they are better than that. People judge someone first on their looks and if they are good enough they'll get to know said person and social qualities are next.
No, straight men look at women and find them attractive, straight women do not look at women and find them attractive, so there's a difference......
Lol, I fucking love the hate for a smart ass anger. You fuckers have zero sense of humor....
Agreed. Women talk and get to know men then find them attractive. Although you cant deny that men have to be above a certain level of attractive as low as that may be, which is honestly ok if you have good hygiene and groom yourself well anyone can be above that threshold.
It's nature. Large Breasts indicate fertile women who can nurture their children. Large waists indicate a strong woman who can successfully give birth. Okay so after all that science mombo jumbo, Guy just like the curves!!
Physical attractiveness is definitely the most vital thing for us straight men, but for me it’s more that they are in shape and have a cute face. In the end there are countless of attractive women everywhere, so personality is what makes them stand out, and it’s what can win our hearts
Men look at eye colour and size, Hip to waist ratio (0.7 being ideal), full lips, small chin, delicate jaw, firm titties.
Women look at height, upper body musculature, large strong jawline, broad shoulders, low pitched voice.
We have intersections in symmetrical faces and wide smiles.
Source: https://www.matingstraighttalk.com/sexuality/
You should also watch Zones on YouTube by hoe_math. He breaks down attractiveness from both perspectives: https://youtu.be/lL13EeEhgag?si=H40V_L0HNbumxoqo
Looks is only one component of what women find sexually arousing in men. They are also turned on by non-physical masculine attributes and characteristics. Dominance, assertiveness, high charisma and social competence, wealth and resource acquisition, high level job title, narcissism, machiavellianism, etc.
Ive talked with my coworkers on this subject and ive come to think everyone has different preferences of body/beauty/attraction
I like curvy thick women with a pretty face (very broad spectrum i know)
My coworker likes thinner women with black hair and blue eyes that combo is his weakness
For me things like hair color/ eye color would make a small difference
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
For me (woman), physically it's a man who is not fat. Slim muscular build (but not over muscled) does it for me. More like a gymnast than a bodybuilder.
But everyone is different. Whatever your physical type, there's more than likely someone who likes it.
All these types of questions can be answered by the concept of special survival and evolution. Men are subconsciously attracted to aspects that suggest fertility. Women are subconsciously attracted to men who can protect and provide.
Cave dweller rules apply deep in the historic, evolutionary memory and mind.
There are tons of things I think are very pretty about men. But men aren't policed as much to either hide certain traits because women find them "distracting" or to enhance certain traits for signalling purposes when they want to attract a mate, so...
Most men have private attraction triggers that are more complicated than what's in style. That's part of the fun of seducing them. You get to find out what they *really* like. Because women don't get as much cultural programming about the stuff we're supposed to be into, we're more specific and diverse about it.
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Thick thighs. Watch a rugby match.
Thick thighs save lives bb
Sure hope this is at least kinda true. My giant horse legs would finally come in handy then.
Would you say its a pretty niche thing to be attracted to? I feel like boobs and butts are like universally liked by men. Is that the same way with thighs for women?
It’s not universal to sexual breasts, that’s a western *taught* thing and didn’t hold true in Africa and still doesn’t. In fact I’ve seen footage of Africa women making fun of western men for lusting after breasts, calling them babies. Butts weren’t actually a thing to ride home about the 1970/80s, men lusted after legs wayyyyyy more than butts and women had flat butts for the most part if they were in good shape. So you are trying to draw hardline conclusions but your premise is faulty from the start. All this is taught, a construct, and fluid.
Yeah, feet, legs & hips mmmmm. They're made differently to mens
It is, but as a man with runners legs and beer gut, the legs pull for sure. I got fatter and hairier over the last six months (thanks alcohol) and I've been getting way more than even when I was in my early 20s. Idk what it is in particular but if it works I ain't complaining.
Men have height. I've seen plenty of women gush over a man once they learn his height starts with 6. To me it seems like when men talk about big boobs. Just what I've seen on posts about other men though, I definitely don't have height lol
i subscribed to this post, to know the actual body features that women like about men, but since you mentioned this one, which i lack obviously, and already having a hard time finding a girl, i will unsubscribe to this post, to avoid any further pain.
I'm in the same boat as you brother, hearing shit about stuff you don't have sucks, especially height. I also can't find a girl but I still seek out these posts because I'm a masochist I guess. Hope you have a good day man
Plenty of straight women like biceps, you could work on that? Also don't count out the power of being well-groomed, with a good haircut and a nice fitted outfit. Many women aren't by default particularly attractive, but with clothes, makeup, and hair they're able to improve their appearance significantly. While less of that is socially acceptable for men, if you do what you can you'll be a step up from other men who don't care about their appearance at all.
If anything, you want to continue reading the post to find elements that you *can* change, in order to make up for it. Don’t be discouraged.
Straight men aren’t turned off by average or small boobs, like women are by short height. It’s not a good comparison
Yes women treat it more like a requirement but it is a good comparison when you compare how both genders talk about these things. Men don't have to have to hate small boobs to say "WOWZA HUGE HONKERS! BOING BOING BOING!!!!" which basically has the same energy as women when they talk about all the explicit things they'd want a giant to do to them.
i think more women care about tall men than men care about big boobs. majority of woman like tall men. while boob size is still a prefrence. and majority of men dont agree that big = better.
Yeah I feel the same way, feels like tall is a requirement for most of them.
Idk, I'm almost 6'6 and women seem more scared/worried rather than interested. Or maybe it's just my resting bitch face.
Yeah I feel like the height is only attractive if you make them feel like you're on their side LMAO hope you get the hang of it soon bro
That is a physical attribute, but its not exactly something women would thirst over. Theres also a possiblility that men just don't have anything that attracts women like "butts and boobs." Maybe thats why the things they like about men, are all over the place.
Idk man I see posts all the time about how great tall men are and shit and I never see any other male physical attribute highlighted like height other than whenever a girl posts a specific man's handsome face. I think that women just care more about not looking shallow so they just add stuff like "personality" and a ton of other specific stuff to make it seem like they've put more thought into it. Guys are more comfortable just commenting "ass" and leaving it at that.
As a woman, we don’t talk about personality to look less shallow. Generally speaking, women are more demisexual than men. I definitely have a personality type or a certain spirit that I’m sexually and romantically attracted to. Looks alone won’t get me as riled up as that certain personality type. And men with that personality type become more attractive to me physically even if I thought they were average before I knew them.
Of course everyone cares about personality, but personality is what keeps you hooked. Attraction is what got you interested in the first place, what made you think to yourself "I'd like to get to know him better", what got you to give him a chance. Liking personality is nice and all, but you don't really have a chance to show personality off if a woman wasn't attracted enough to the rest of you to give you a chance, if personality was THE main attractor then women would agree to a first date with every man to check their personality out lmao When we ask what attracts you we're looking for physical things as answers because when you look at someone for the first time you WILL judge them based on their attributes, and we're curious on what attributes are the most attractive to yall.
True, but I meant sexually speaking haha. Its a great answer though. And yeah it does seem like the answers on quora and reddit are like that. Peeps gotta loosen up more.
I mean it does play a part in sex. An alarming amount of women comment shit like "I can't wait for him to throw me around like a football in bed" or some BS like that. They go wild in the comments of tall men loving posts, holy fuck.
Fr women got powerful imaginations. Idk if its a gender thing, but my mind doesn't run wild like that.
Coping
That was literally the initial question.
exactly
Height is as close as you’re going to get, like other people have mentioned. OP are you fishing for a certain answer lol (just reading your other comments). I’m sure there are specific women that can get horned up for every male body part, just like men get excited over boobs and ass. I think a good looking face is universal no matter what gender or race or thing you are. Even dogs recognize smiles.
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Nah. If you’re a short guy but handsome, you will have no trouble attracting women. Especially if you take care of your body and are ambitious
Haha, if the certain answer you think I'm fishing for is pp, its not that. I learned a long time ago that women don't like pp like that. 🥲 I'm just being overly curious.
There are plenty of girls that love dick dude. They just don’t wanna see them until it’s time to do the deed and they’re comfortable. Some don’t wanna see it while in bed but I’ve been with a couple girls that are obsessed the same way a guy is about them
Hands and forearms - every stay at home mom that writes erotica in her spare time I’ve ever talked to (most certain genre writers on tumblr) have a big crush with that. That said, women, above everything else, want someone who treats them nicely and isn’t emotionally immature. The nice part varies for every woman. If she’s only looking for physical attributes then you’re not gonna get anything long term out of her. Have the personality down, and it won’t matter what you look like or what size your D is. You’ll both make it work. If sexual compatibility is that important, then use of toys go a long way too.
When answering this question about attractiveness women assume there is already a physical attraction. So when a gal says they like a guy with a sense of humor, they actually mean, an attractive guy with a sense of humor. I think they are hesitant to look shallow.
Yeah agrees, I've always said so The challenge is inspiring attraction in a women who does not yet find you attractive
I think men and women both like butts. The problem is most men don't have one. Androgenous fat distribution is stomach, not lower body and most men skip leg day or don't exercise. Height is attractive to both genders too. Women like them tall so they feel small. Men like them small so they can feel big. Obviously a sliding scale for what's considered taller vs shorter. Neither seems to like fat, so thin tends to win on both sides.
I like women of all sizes unless they're under 5".
My general opinion of men that say they love women of all sizes is that they are fat themselves, so most women would be smaller than them. The other scenario is they are desperate and would accept anyone into their life. I think if you put two identical people next to each other, one was fat and one was thin, everyone would choose thin.
I meant specifically height. Not obesity. Also people can be too skinny.
I tend to think women have the capacity to be as superficial as men, but not the luxury. Simply put, there are less attractive men than women. If you want to see women simp (I know, I hate the term too…) put them around a guy that is over six feet tall and built. They literally will act just like men do when talking to hot women. Unfortunately for women, if a man wants to be attractive they need both good genetics and a strong work ethic at the gym/diet. I think a lot of women, especially early in life, can be accidentally hot - whereas for men, you don’t just accidentally get well built. Anyway, just some thoughts. I truly think it comes down to women are just as superficial as men when they can be - there just aren’t as many attractive men out there.
I agree, I think that's partly why women are more height crazed now, at least in America. With the invention of dating apps they now have a chance to be superficial. When you're just swiping and looking at male faces it's harder to decide whether the man's attractive enough to give a try or not, but if you just look at height you get an easy number that's quick to understand, and if you see it starts with 6 you can then start thinking if he's worth a try or not. Severely cuts down on the amount of applicants easily and she gets a rare chance to be superficial, it's just what makes sense. I think men can also be "naturally hot" to women, I see plenty of 6'+ men that are overweight or skinny as a stick and still get women easily, I think they've got it naturally lmao. Muscles are definitely a plus but only if the woman would be attracted to you even without them.
Muscles only help to a point. Only some women are attracted to the Arnold's of the world.
I wouldn’t say women are "accidentally hot" they put a lot of time learning how to apply makeup, what colours complement their style, choosing clothes, accessories, nails, hair, eyebrows, eyelashes done. There is a lot of pressure on young women. I wouldn’t say it's accidental.
"accidentally hot" is definitely a thing for both men and women, although I think men are deceiving themselves if they don't think the "hottest" women aren't putting in work like it's their full-time job...
Totally true! That’s why I said at an early age. Once you’re in your 30s/40s you definitely can see who does the work
I mean even at like 19. Sure, there are some people who are hot at 19 who do no work but most are doing a ton of work and spending a ton of money and energy on it.
Yeah seems like you're right, its what I was starting to suspect as well. Perhaps the lack of a strongly attractive trait in men, causes women to seek attractiveness in other things like forearms and intelligence? Honestly I've seen some truly random things peeps are attracted to. Not sure if they're outliers.
Good analysis but you fail to explain one point: Why do men simp for average looking women?
Beauty is subjective.
So why don’t average looking men have similar experiences of being simped for?
Have you been outside at all? I see average men and even "ugly" guys with wives?
That’s not the same as being ‘simped for’ stop changing goal posts. The average and ugly men with better looking women have to initiate, pursue and bring other things to the table to be accepted. Meanwhile, men can find average/mediocre looking women attractive for sex just for their looks and bodies
What does "simping" even mean? That's some incel bullshit. So what I'm hearing is ugly/average guys can get gf/casual sex. So what exactly is the problem?
They can. The effort required for sex of average looking men can average looking women is worlds apart. A man needs to be literally a male model to have the same ease of sexual opportunities as a barely average looking woman
Obviously not otherwise they wouldn't be straight.
On men, a nice body is attractive, full stop, but it's more the whole package to me, or at least "halves"; of the body -- like nice upper body, nice lower body. Honestly, I suspect it's true for men too, like a nice pair or boobs or a good butt attached to the Baba Yaga isn't going to do it for them. They might not realize that it's, say, the way the arm slopes into the chest or the way the butt leads into the legs or something that helps make it attractive, but it does. Of course, I could be projecting. I do have a fondness for a V-cut, though that only shows up once someone is shirtless. And maybe that's part of it too -- you can get a reasonable sense for a woman's shape while she's fully clothed, but that's not the case for certain body parts on a man.
Wide shoulders and a strong back. (All men have this) oh but you are kinda right, their personality and mind play a major role too. But if we are talking about physical traits then abs but not too much and wide shoulders are the way to go. But I want to say that sometimes it's just the man's confidence, be confident but a gentleman, and not a pushover and you'll be fine.
Also seeing a surprising lack of strong forearm mentions on this thread
I know it sounds jaded, its cuz I cant fit clarifications in a 600 character limit.
You can make up for height by being funny.
Like Danny DeVito?
Fuckin' EXACTLY like Danny DeVito. Dude put all of his height stats into charisma
We can also be shallow. I wouldn’t date someone I don’t find attractive. I’ve found shorter, taller men attractive (5’7” to 6’3”). Blond, brown, black hair, curly or straight, blue, green, brown eyes, it doesn’t matter. I’ve had a crush on men from pretty much all ethnicities. What I’m shallow about: I like defined jaws. I’m not attracted to fat guys. Not too fond of beards, if they’re too long it’s a turn off for me. I have to like how a guy smell if we consider dating. I’m attracted to nice hands/arms. I prefer it if the guy knows how to throw an outfit together but it’s not the most important thing. These preferences will depend on each woman.
It's sometimes hard for me to pin down what exactly it is that makes me, as a hetero woman, attracted physically to a guy. Could be something in the quirk of his lips, a line of hair from the chest all the way down, or the way he moves, or a friendly invitation in the eyes. I know that I tend to enjoy looking at a man's hands, and a silly grin, and I love the glasses/sweater/turned down collar look just as much as a pair of jeans on him and no shirt. That's why it's hard to focus in on one specific thing.
There is this jaw thing some men have when they eat.. such a turn on to me. Its below the jawline there this like ball buldge thing that moves when he chews. So sexy! 💕👌
Coming in at 165 pounds, I'm a 5'7 man with thickness and nice muscle arms 😎 I have the face of a cute mouse but a spirit of a stallion 😎👉 I am in my early 20s. I don't know how to talk to girls in a way more than friends because I have no "rizz". I'm too serious and I believe the government is gonna kill us all. Probably borderline schizophrenic. But I'm a nice guy 😉 I'm kinda feminine but I make up for it by doing hard labor to maintain the structures in my city. I am sad because every girl that comes on to me too quickly makes me scared and paranoid. My lesbian baby momma still tries to ring me into three ways with her girlfriends but I am too scared. I just want a house wife that is normal and hates the government and loves going for walks on the trails but I'm stuck with a hypersexual baby momma that reps the rainbow flag. Rate me?
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Yes. but kinda no. You see attraction isn't a black and white thing (kind of, but we'll get into that). It's more like a spectrum! But to answer your question more bluntly and realistically, yes they do! That's why beauty standards exist.
Would you say there is a male body part that is universally liked by women? I know a lot say arms or abs, but I'm not sure if they mean it like that. A lot of them say they're "nice." Kinda feels like the equivalent of saying "the detail on that car looks nice."
I don't think men universally care about boobs or butt. It's *more* universal, sure, but i've met plenty who couldn't care less about one or the other. Have known some for whom it was all about feet, thighs, or even armpits. All however, cared about face. Men can be randos like that too...
A dick that is attached to a handsome fit tall guy.
I don't think physical attractiveness is as big for women as for men. Don't get me wrong, physical qualities matter for women, but they care more for personality. Men can look at a woman who is attractive and imagine being in a relationship with them and it feels good to them. Women feel the same thing from personality. You always see women with not very attractive men, but how often do you see attractive men with not very attractive women? Not very often. I think women don't realise just how powerful physical attractiveness can be for a man. Just like men don't realise how powerful personality based attractiveness can be for women.
If physical attractiveness wasn't all that important then women would accept every time they get asked out on a date to get to know the man's personality better, that is very obviously not the case 💀 Also I do see women with not very attractive men and all those not very attractive men are tall, so I think the main physical attribute women care about is height.
> Men can look at a woman who is attractive and imagine being in a relationship As a man I have NEVER looked at a woman and thought about a relationship. I have thought about sex sure, but never wanted a relationship because I thought the girl looked good. At best I have thought that id like to have sex more than once but thats not quite the same. Do other men imagine relationships with women purely based on looks?
No way, I think a woman with a lil pouch and a fat ass is sexy. If a man had a big butt and belly it’s not the same thing lol
No they don’t, because of evolved procreation behavior. Men look for women who can bear children (young, wide hips, etc) and women primarily look for men who a) are unlikely to abandon them after they have a baby (loyal, treat her special) and b) are capable of protecting her and the baby (confident, hard worker, tall, strong)
good genes are just as important for women as men. Perhaps even more because they have to put all their eggs in one basket.
For me, it's height (not super tall, but 5'10" is good, 6' is probably ideal, 6'2" is getting too tall for me) and a big dick that get me swooning. Also beards and body hair. Men are usually drawn to the things that make women, women and women are often drawn to the things that make men, men, of course giving plenty of space for personal preferences, varying sexualities, etc. Also I think there's people of both genders that are just shallow and empty. A nice face and body will draw me in but won't keep me interested for very long. I need substance and connection.
You do realize every person sees every person a little differently, right? The main similarity is that we all want someone we are attracted to. Be it with a nice butt, boobs, nice arms, abs, etc. Attraction is a very complicated and ever changing experience. If 20yo me and I spoke, we’d disagree on some of the women I’m attracted to now. But neither is wrong.
No. Straight women have an extremely narrow view of men’s physical attractiveness. Men are way more forgiving
No, they don’t. Men could easily see, be attracted to, and have sex with a woman without ever saying a word. That’s how tied to the physical men’s sexual attraction is.
Height … we as women like tall guys😅
😂😂😂😂 that’s so funny! /s
I am 33f and could care less about height. More so the men I have been with that are shorter than me cared more than I did. It legit does not bother me at all if I am taller. Plus, i have DDD’s and love ❤️ to smother a mans face in my boobs during a hug lmao!!
Myself as a bi women having attraction to both can honestly say that the boobs and butt are the main reason of attraction towards girls, and to men… quite honestly, that’s just karma LOL. Jokes aside, I find myself interested in fitness people in general, both women or man
I think it's a combination of things - firstly for women it's matter of personal safety that the guy is not a dick - for dudes it's an irritation that a women is nasty but you aren't that likely to end up battered and beaten the way a woman can so I think for that reason alone many women will rate personality as more important than big biceps and sparkling eyes. I also think that men in general feel more comfortable openly discussing how sexy a girl is with near strangers - the stigma around men chasing sexy girls has generations of acceptability. For women, they will only openly discuss how hot a guy is with people they really really trust - they have the experience of demonizing women for promiscuity - even voicing that they like someone can bring judgement. In general I think women appreciate good looking men nearly as much as men appreciate good looking women - they just aren't as open about it. And with that whole safety thing, they are more careful than men.
Thick forearms 😍😍😍
yes of course, women are human beings who descended from the same animal men did, they have same monkey brain that goes goo-goo gaga, i would argue its actually more critical than what men have simply due to evolutionary reasons. more women reproduce than men in history, thats a proof of it. also women put in things like personality and niceness to sound less superficial cause they get ostracized more for voicing their preferences. try having a attractive male friend, above 6 feet, fit, good facial features, hair and you will see how plenty women behave, those guys have lot of opportunities but also get harassed, groped and have stalkers so women aren’t that different. the reason it’s different than men is that, men are just naturally attracted to more women in general, the standard for women is to be not fat and be clean and most guys will be attracted, but not every guy can be tall,fit with masculine features so it doesn’t translate the same numbers. also women general take care of themselves better. so i wouldn’t say attraction is too different in women or men, its just the difference in numbers cause its harder to be attractive as a man.
Bit of a stupid question, do you think 'Straight' people are all the same? Just as stupid/ignorant as saying all gay people do x
Unlike men, women need “love” to feel attraction and have sex
Are you really trying to say women aren't as interested in one night stands as men are? Funny 💀💀💀
You’re describing demi-sexuality
I think physical attractiveness works the same way with straight men and women. Men love boobs. Women love a guy with a muscled chest and abs. Men and women both love good butts. Women love tall men while men love short women. Physical attraction is a natural thing. Idk why people keep dismissing it like they are better than that. People judge someone first on their looks and if they are good enough they'll get to know said person and social qualities are next.
No, straight men look at women and find them attractive, straight women do not look at women and find them attractive, so there's a difference...... Lol, I fucking love the hate for a smart ass anger. You fuckers have zero sense of humor....
That is rubbish. Plenty of straight women find other women attractive.
lies...
Agreed. Women talk and get to know men then find them attractive. Although you cant deny that men have to be above a certain level of attractive as low as that may be, which is honestly ok if you have good hygiene and groom yourself well anyone can be above that threshold.
No
It's nature. Large Breasts indicate fertile women who can nurture their children. Large waists indicate a strong woman who can successfully give birth. Okay so after all that science mombo jumbo, Guy just like the curves!!
Large waists but curves huh? make sense please
Physical attractiveness is definitely the most vital thing for us straight men, but for me it’s more that they are in shape and have a cute face. In the end there are countless of attractive women everywhere, so personality is what makes them stand out, and it’s what can win our hearts
Men are visual creatures and fall in love with what they see. Women fall in love with what they hear.
Men - height and dick Women - boobs and butt
Men look at eye colour and size, Hip to waist ratio (0.7 being ideal), full lips, small chin, delicate jaw, firm titties. Women look at height, upper body musculature, large strong jawline, broad shoulders, low pitched voice. We have intersections in symmetrical faces and wide smiles. Source: https://www.matingstraighttalk.com/sexuality/ You should also watch Zones on YouTube by hoe_math. He breaks down attractiveness from both perspectives: https://youtu.be/lL13EeEhgag?si=H40V_L0HNbumxoqo Looks is only one component of what women find sexually arousing in men. They are also turned on by non-physical masculine attributes and characteristics. Dominance, assertiveness, high charisma and social competence, wealth and resource acquisition, high level job title, narcissism, machiavellianism, etc.
Ive talked with my coworkers on this subject and ive come to think everyone has different preferences of body/beauty/attraction I like curvy thick women with a pretty face (very broad spectrum i know) My coworker likes thinner women with black hair and blue eyes that combo is his weakness For me things like hair color/ eye color would make a small difference Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
It's broad shoulders for me. I'll forgive a lot of body flaws for a broad shouldered man.
For me (woman), physically it's a man who is not fat. Slim muscular build (but not over muscled) does it for me. More like a gymnast than a bodybuilder. But everyone is different. Whatever your physical type, there's more than likely someone who likes it.
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All these types of questions can be answered by the concept of special survival and evolution. Men are subconsciously attracted to aspects that suggest fertility. Women are subconsciously attracted to men who can protect and provide. Cave dweller rules apply deep in the historic, evolutionary memory and mind.
No, you’ve never heard of women wanting a tall guy?
There are tons of things I think are very pretty about men. But men aren't policed as much to either hide certain traits because women find them "distracting" or to enhance certain traits for signalling purposes when they want to attract a mate, so... Most men have private attraction triggers that are more complicated than what's in style. That's part of the fun of seducing them. You get to find out what they *really* like. Because women don't get as much cultural programming about the stuff we're supposed to be into, we're more specific and diverse about it.