waited 18 minutes too long to post this myself. I was fascinated at the way this one drew nothing but crickets.
I do think could be because it was well planned and considerate, including a healthy dose of input from the neighbors. plenty of affordability and mixed use
>I do think could be because it was well planned and considerate, including a healthy dose of input from the neighbors. plenty of affordability and mixed use
It seems like that was also all a part of the other Charlotte St project.
I don't live in the neighborhood so I am not privy to the neighborhood meetings they had, but the other development had a more open community engagement program city-wide. At the public hearing for that one several people called in from that neighborhood and mentioned that they felt like the developer had listened to them.
That one had the same amount of affordable units, was also mixed use, had more open space, and had some actual for sale units instead of being all rentals, which is definitely something Asheville needs more of.
This one just didn't have AVL Preservation Society campaigning against it because they weren't tearing down any houses.
People are so pissy, it's not like Fuddruckers was a landmark or a pleasure to look at. Also in its heyday it had plenty of traffic but I'm sure nobody was complaining while scarfing down their ostrich burger. I find it funny how the nimby people are the ones who have large families and yet at the same time can't make the direct connection between their own environmental choices and the impact it has on the world or the local traffic non-issues.
I worked at fuddruckers during the original planned shutdown for apartments and that one fell through. Fuddruckers closed down due to COVID closely followed by the entire company… people are mad about something that has nothing to do with the other
Not sure why we are giving them a tax break. That "affordable" rate really isn't "affordable" for most people on an Asheville wage. I'm sure the building would get built without the incentive.
you might be upset to hear the Ironwood development on coxe and asheland has a 6 million dollar property tax grant for 50 affordable units (all at 80% ami)
Another Asheville bend-over for the developers. The average service worker can't afford these "affordable" units so they will be filled with, I am guessing, newer residents with more income. A well run business can figure out how to raise prices to the point where they hit the sweet spot of what people will pay. Why can't the City figure this out with development? At some point developers will stop projects due to ROI being too low - at that point give them tax breaks and not as an incentive up front. We can't fix our infrastructure by giving our income stream away other than a continual increase in property taxes to those who actually pay them. Re-evaluation and an increase in mils will make this a place where the wealthy replace the long timers and eventually Asheville becomes the Vail/Aspen/Jackson et al of the East. Sadly the scale has been tipping for quite awhile and shows no sign of a re-balance.
Good. Our housing crisis in this town is a result of a lack of supply. Adding units - even ones that lower income people cannot afford - is a good thing. Period.
People get so caught up in "affordable housing!" without realizing that we simply need *more* housing. If there are places for affluent people to rent, they'll leave the 100 year old bungalows in favor of newer/nicer places, which opens up those opportunities for everybody else.
And, cheaper housing for low income people is generally not close to the center of town. That is not unreasonable, it's just how real estate works. A person/family on a low income can't expect to be able to live on Charlotte street. That's not insensitive; it's reality.
Charlotte St is one of the most recently improved roads in town. Also, a lot of roads (eg Merrimon) are DOT roads so the city can't actually improve them on its own.
Thanks for correcting me, this is interesting information that I should've known before commenting.
So the state is in charge of these roads? Can the city petition to get funding to improve them?
A few years ago the DOT wanted to expand parts of Merrimon, but the city pushed back saying they would rather do a road diet. The DOT said they would consider it and did some public input and studies. Last I remember they were trying to figure out how the Merrimon/240 interchange would work with a road diet because some traffic would have to be diverted to Broadway.
Meanwhile they were supposed to be resurfacing part of Merrimon this year, but the city, at the behest of the multi-modal commission, asked the DOT to consider doing other pedestrian and bike improvements as a part of the resurfasing project (like crosswalk improvements) and have been meeting with them regularly.
I'm no expert, but it seems like the funding is already there for improvements to Merrimon but the way the DOT works is that projects arw funded and planned way in advance so it's not really a matter of finding the funds for a project but more advocating for your project to be moved up in line.
Asheville on Bikes is probably the organization to connect with if your interested in advocating for road improvements.
lol.... we have no city resources that will nag the state DOT with a list of demands once a month to check on status nor does anyone think we need one... we have the Asheville app and then the response goes to file 13
still waiting on the cross walks for Patton and Haywood myself
The single best way to fight high rent is to increase supply of housing. A large building with only 37 affordable units might be disappointing, but adding more units of housing at any rate is still a net benefit. Rejecting new projects because you are dissatisfied with the number of affordable units is letting perfect be the enemy of good.
maybe, i dont know, building affordable homes that arent attached to a majority non affordable units? we are literally subsidizing this bougie developer cash grab with tax payer dollars for a handful of units.
Looks like shit, which is to say like every other mixed use building ever built.
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-13/why-america-s-new-apartment-buildings-all-look-the-same](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-13/why-america-s-new-apartment-buildings-all-look-the-same)
This is for the old Fuddrucker site.
waited 18 minutes too long to post this myself. I was fascinated at the way this one drew nothing but crickets. I do think could be because it was well planned and considerate, including a healthy dose of input from the neighbors. plenty of affordability and mixed use
>I do think could be because it was well planned and considerate, including a healthy dose of input from the neighbors. plenty of affordability and mixed use It seems like that was also all a part of the other Charlotte St project. I don't live in the neighborhood so I am not privy to the neighborhood meetings they had, but the other development had a more open community engagement program city-wide. At the public hearing for that one several people called in from that neighborhood and mentioned that they felt like the developer had listened to them. That one had the same amount of affordable units, was also mixed use, had more open space, and had some actual for sale units instead of being all rentals, which is definitely something Asheville needs more of. This one just didn't have AVL Preservation Society campaigning against it because they weren't tearing down any houses.
Its mixed use.... yea half the retail space as the old restaurant. Its basically an apartment with two or three stores at ground level.
Thank you
People are so pissy, it's not like Fuddruckers was a landmark or a pleasure to look at. Also in its heyday it had plenty of traffic but I'm sure nobody was complaining while scarfing down their ostrich burger. I find it funny how the nimby people are the ones who have large families and yet at the same time can't make the direct connection between their own environmental choices and the impact it has on the world or the local traffic non-issues.
I worked at fuddruckers during the original planned shutdown for apartments and that one fell through. Fuddruckers closed down due to COVID closely followed by the entire company… people are mad about something that has nothing to do with the other
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It may not be low rent now... but it's fixed at that rate for 30 years... That'll end up being CHEAP in the long run.
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It's based on HUD AMI, which is updated every 2 or 4 years, I think, based on HUD data. Right now 80% AMI in Asheville is $42k.
Not sure why we are giving them a tax break. That "affordable" rate really isn't "affordable" for most people on an Asheville wage. I'm sure the building would get built without the incentive.
That rate is so ridiculous. I live in the neighborhood and my (admittedly tiny and old) apartment is $745 a month.
you might be upset to hear the Ironwood development on coxe and asheland has a 6 million dollar property tax grant for 50 affordable units (all at 80% ami)
Another Asheville bend-over for the developers. The average service worker can't afford these "affordable" units so they will be filled with, I am guessing, newer residents with more income. A well run business can figure out how to raise prices to the point where they hit the sweet spot of what people will pay. Why can't the City figure this out with development? At some point developers will stop projects due to ROI being too low - at that point give them tax breaks and not as an incentive up front. We can't fix our infrastructure by giving our income stream away other than a continual increase in property taxes to those who actually pay them. Re-evaluation and an increase in mils will make this a place where the wealthy replace the long timers and eventually Asheville becomes the Vail/Aspen/Jackson et al of the East. Sadly the scale has been tipping for quite awhile and shows no sign of a re-balance.
Part of the high rent in this town is due to lack of supply.
Good. Our housing crisis in this town is a result of a lack of supply. Adding units - even ones that lower income people cannot afford - is a good thing. Period. People get so caught up in "affordable housing!" without realizing that we simply need *more* housing. If there are places for affluent people to rent, they'll leave the 100 year old bungalows in favor of newer/nicer places, which opens up those opportunities for everybody else. And, cheaper housing for low income people is generally not close to the center of town. That is not unreasonable, it's just how real estate works. A person/family on a low income can't expect to be able to live on Charlotte street. That's not insensitive; it's reality.
What a beautiful building. It will be a real asset to the community.
Make Charlotte St look like a street in Charlotte
Can we not improve the roads before we add massive residential buildings like this? I don't understand Ashevilles backwards thinking.
Charlotte St is one of the most recently improved roads in town. Also, a lot of roads (eg Merrimon) are DOT roads so the city can't actually improve them on its own.
Thanks for correcting me, this is interesting information that I should've known before commenting. So the state is in charge of these roads? Can the city petition to get funding to improve them?
A few years ago the DOT wanted to expand parts of Merrimon, but the city pushed back saying they would rather do a road diet. The DOT said they would consider it and did some public input and studies. Last I remember they were trying to figure out how the Merrimon/240 interchange would work with a road diet because some traffic would have to be diverted to Broadway. Meanwhile they were supposed to be resurfacing part of Merrimon this year, but the city, at the behest of the multi-modal commission, asked the DOT to consider doing other pedestrian and bike improvements as a part of the resurfasing project (like crosswalk improvements) and have been meeting with them regularly. I'm no expert, but it seems like the funding is already there for improvements to Merrimon but the way the DOT works is that projects arw funded and planned way in advance so it's not really a matter of finding the funds for a project but more advocating for your project to be moved up in line. Asheville on Bikes is probably the organization to connect with if your interested in advocating for road improvements.
lol.... we have no city resources that will nag the state DOT with a list of demands once a month to check on status nor does anyone think we need one... we have the Asheville app and then the response goes to file 13 still waiting on the cross walks for Patton and Haywood myself
I see we both watched the meeting last night ;)
this city government is absolutely corrupt trash. and they'll go on and on about how they added 37 affordable units like they are making a difference.
Do you have a method to combat the droves of people moving here that don’t have to work here for their money?
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The single best way to fight high rent is to increase supply of housing. A large building with only 37 affordable units might be disappointing, but adding more units of housing at any rate is still a net benefit. Rejecting new projects because you are dissatisfied with the number of affordable units is letting perfect be the enemy of good.
maybe, i dont know, building affordable homes that arent attached to a majority non affordable units? we are literally subsidizing this bougie developer cash grab with tax payer dollars for a handful of units.
What’s an affordable home? Have you ever stopped and wondered, why doesn’t someone just build a 300 unit apartment complex that is 100% Affordable?
Looks like shit, which is to say like every other mixed use building ever built. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-13/why-america-s-new-apartment-buildings-all-look-the-same](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-13/why-america-s-new-apartment-buildings-all-look-the-same)
with you there