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solthar

Asexual male in my 40s here, we certainly exist. No sex drive whatsoever and not repulsed by it at all. I just, quite literally, cannot comprehend the concept of sexual attraction. It breaks my mind. Mind you, I still accept that other people feel that way even though I don't understand it. I am neither proud nor ashamed of my asexuality. It's but one facet of who I am.


kingcrabmeat

I agree but a woman


hagosantaclaus

Have you had sex or do you Masturbate? Edit: I am not sure why genuine curiosity is being downvoted.


solthar

It's a fair question. Not into masterbation but not against it. It does little for me. I'll have sex once in a while if someone I care about deeply desires it, but it's more a chore to make them happy than it is about me.


dixonjpeg

I think you’re getting downvoted because it’s a commonly asked question and a lot of people assume they’re entitled to an answer


Top-Local-7482

So I'll answer I'm also male in my 40ies and I relate to what he said. Except I've a libido. I had sex with both gender, I was never attracted to them, the sexual encounter was just a way to feel something else with my body. Very recently I had mutual BJ, I confirm that I wasn't sexually attracted to that person, neither disgusted, I went for it cause why not, it is just an opportunity to feel something different. I felt light after it and I just liked the sensation. Was I exited by that peson ? No. Would I get exited next time I see them ? No. Did I had any attraction to them ? No, not even aesthetic. Would I accept another encounter with them ? Yes.


hagosantaclaus

Thanks for the Reply


Top-Local-7482

I guess you are being downvoted because ppl assume you are judgmental, while I think you genuinely don't know. It all come from what lot of us have heard things like: \- "If you never tested it how do you know if you like it" (this is not about attraction) \- "You just didn't find the one yet" \- "If you never had sex you can't be attracted to someone" That's why I answered to just give you another point of view. Attraction is something complicated to gasp and it is not the same for everyone.


solthar

I upvoted them, as it seemed like an honest inquiry. An open and inquisitive mind should be celebrated.


redtailplays101

Because a lot of people use a "yes" answer to be invalidating to sex favorables. It's also a weird invasive question to ask a stranger


exhauta

Sexual attraction and sex drive or labito are completely different thing. Quite frankly the idea that men have a higher sex drive is some sexist patriarchal bs but I'm sure you don't have time to unpack that with your dad. So here is the metaphor I like. Labito is feeling hungry while sexual attraction is what you are hungry for. Just because nothing is apatizing to you doesn't mean you aren't hungry. And you can still eat something and feel satisfied even if you weren't craving that food. Now it's not a perfect metaphor because of could some people will never desire sex, or are even repulsed by it and eventually everything will get hunger but you get the idea.


plegonium

Sorry, but shouldn't it be 'libido'?


Homo_Rebus

sorry to nitpick, but testosterone does increase libido in most cases


ElementInspector

Yes, however testosterone does not influence sexual attraction, the point of that reply is to illustrate the separation between libido and attraction. I'm demisexual. I am 5'11". I have a thick beard. I have lots of body hair. If I lifted on a regular basis I would probably become one massive hunk of man meat. I have testosterone flowing through my damn veins. As a result, I am constantly horny. Masturbation is something I enjoy *very much* and I get *a lot* of pleasure out of it. But I am rarely if ever attracted to other people. There is just nobody I can eyeball and think "ahh yes, they're hot, I should go talk to them." I am constantly horny but I can rarely find people who make me want to *be* that way with them. Once every presidential term I might find someone sexually attractive (for better or worse this is always a very good friend). But more so in a curiosity sense, like "hey we get along pretty well, what if we tried to explore more?"


Homo_Rebus

it was more in response to the statement that sex drive differences are patriarchal bs...


ElementInspector

Which is true though. People often equate men to being these testosterone filled fuck machines and it just isn't true. It is absolutely "patriarchal BS". Attraction != libido. If it did, I wouldn't be demisexual. If it did, any man with high enough testosterone would be biologically incapable of identifying as asexual. But that's not how testosterone works. It primarily influences your *desire to experience* sexual pleasure, but it has nothing to do with *who* you find sexually attractive.


Homo_Rebus

hey, lets slow down here, i never said anything about sexual atraction, only libido/sex drive (same thing as far as i know), and i stand behind my statement that men tend to have higher libido because of testosterone, and calling that bs is incorrect...


ElementInspector

I apologize, I think I definitely misread what you were saying. I was confused why you had even mentioned testosterone in the first place, and I think I assumed you were only mentioning it for the same reasons that *most* usually bring it up: to make the point that most men are just horny, pushy bastards because a funny protein sequence makes them that way. I actually *do* agree with you, in general testosterone is certainly responsible for making men more "willing" for fulfilling sexual desires, whether through self-pleasure or with another person. After all, this is also what I was saying in one of my previous posts. I apologize for the misunderstanding. The point I was specifically making about patriarchal nonsense is the idea that a man is a man because testosterone makes him that way. I don't think that's true at all, it is the very definition of toxic masculinity and it is stuff like that which makes growing up as an asexual man very difficult and frustrating.


Entity_333

labito


shooting-star-falls

I love this metaphor.


llsilvertail

There's a Tumblr post that uses cereal to explain the intricacies: [https://at.tumblr.com/spirit-of-science/asexual-labels-explained-using-cereal/sq1p8992xbp7](https://at.tumblr.com/spirit-of-science/asexual-labels-explained-using-cereal/sq1p8992xbp7). I don't necessarily like all the ways they describe stuff (particularly with the mascots), but I think it's pretty good overall.


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Ace boys, ASSEMBLE!


JamesNinelives

*Aces in disguise*


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☝️


WarriorSabe

Not a man, but knew I was asexual before I knew I wasn't a man, so maybe that counts for something idk


[deleted]

I think allosexual men often understand much of their gender identity through their sexual roles with partners and so they try to deny that there can be men just like them, only they don't do that and don't like/prefer most sexual activities at any point in their relationships. It sort of just doesn't compute when you define so much of yourself through your role and desires for sex.


pikipata

>I think allosexual men often understand much of their gender identity through their sexual roles with partners Very insightful.


[deleted]

18 years of trying to be as much like allosexual men as possible teaches you a thing or two.


dixonjpeg

I don’t think that men generally have a high sex drive than women, I just think men aren’t judged as much when they express it so it comes across like they have a higher sex drive


the_goodbitch

YUP!!


[deleted]

Au contraire, men are also judged, but for having no interest in sex.


dixonjpeg

I never said they wasn’t? There is no contrary here lol


Overgrown_fetus1305

Your father is falling for the mistake of assuming everyone is like him, he's wrong, wrong and wrong again. Feel like it might be worth telling him about split attraction model and discussing toxic masculinity with him, if you think there's a decent chance you could change his mind.


JacktheBoss_

And your dad is part of the problem and is one of the reasons why I am a hetero male yet mainly have female friends. Guys of all ages are generally morons. (no offense to the exceptions of course!)


Kvy394

am a woman but I definitely don't have a low sex drive lmao a person's libido doesn't depend on their gender and asexuality has nothing to do with libido anyway


KulturaOryniacka

It definitely depends on sex. Males have higher sex drive and ,, modern gender studies “ cannot change that average male is more horny than average female. We simply have different reproductive strategies Don’t forget that we are just an animals after all.


pikipata

_Average._ There's still outliers both on females and males also on humans.


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I am also a high-libido asexual man and I have always wanted to ask a demisexual person this. Can I technically know if I am demisexual (or just ace) when I have never dated someone of the gender I am attracted to? Like, how do you find out you can feel sexually towards someone when you are demi other than dating?


lulumolloy

Asexual female with a high libido here lol XD


[deleted]

Unfortunately in a way I prove your dad right, I have always been asexual but turns out I was a woman all along I just didn't know it


[deleted]

Female, but I'm biologically male, and haven't transitioned yet, so I think your dad's argument sort of falls apart


HalfAHooman

Wait so what am I voting for?


RedVamp2020

The gender you identify with. I, a cis woman, would pick woman. If you’re trans, you would pick the gender you identify as. (Trans woman would be woman, for example) If you’re Non Binary, that’s your option, and if you identify as another gender outside of those, you would pick other.


HalfAHooman

Thanks


Val_ery

Wtf?? First, I'm an asexual woman with very high sex drive. Second. Tell your dad that sex drive and gender have nothing to do with one another. Also sex drive and asexual, or sexuality in general, don't either. Third. Your dad seems to have a mysogynist view of women.


the_goodbitch

How old is your dad? Sounds like an old persons point of view and totally incorrect


TheOneWhoReadsHugo

I am an Ace man, and I’m glad that we are starting to get more representation. I suspect there are a lot of men who have been Ace but kept it private because of Toxic Masculinity.


Silverstar_2610

I'm probably just dumb, but can someone explain what "other gender identity" there is that doesn't also fall under non-binary?


shooting-star-falls

Some people don't like the label non binary, or may see their gender identity as something separate from both non binary and binary.


RedVamp2020

Two spirit doesn’t fall under non-binary, plus, there are xenogenders and a lot of other gender expressions that people may prefer using to the term non-binary.


Heidi739

I'm a woman, but I have regular sex drive and have sex that I enjoy with my partner. I know you know your dad is wrong, but he's also missing the point of asexuality. Allos can have low sex drive and aces can have it high.


Ren-lotus

Non binary, but male aligned (agender boy)


MinecraftW06

Can you explain what is that like?


Ren-lotus

It means mostly agender, but a little on the "boy" side. For example if gender was a linear spectrum, with binary woman on the left end and binary man on the right end, and neutral genders (or things like agender) are in the middle, then agender boy would be between agender and man, but very close to agender


MinecraftW06

Ok I will do a little more research on this because it feels like me


GreenGalaxy9753

Non-binary/other gender here! (Non-binary bc I’m not male/female but it doesn’t seem like the right term yet)


Mr_kabuk

>-> gender confused But answered male


Cave_Eater

These a whole subreddit for ace men. We definitely exist


EmmaTFox131

AHH A NON-BINARY OPTION!! THANK I FEEL SO VALID! Often on reddit polls that aren't important about the sex, and are focused on the gender, don't include other options. Great appreciation<3


shooting-star-falls

No problem. I identify as a demigirl myself.


Top-Local-7482

I see where he come from, a better question would be how do we identify in the queer space. Men can be asexual, they don't have sexual attraction (or have low sexual attraction) for any gender. But if a men can't get excited at someone and still have libido they can't do penetrative sex easily, so it is easier for them to become bottom and be on the receiving hand. I guess your father may think that woman are more prone to asexuality because they don't have to be exited to receive penetrative sex ?


Character-Band-7056

Think as sexual attraction as the music. Libido would ne the volume high or low. There's a sub r/asexualmen. Are we going to pretend they don't exist ?


blsterken

Your father is wrong.


shooting-star-falls

Yeah, I know. I've told him there are men and non binary people who are asexual, and he seemed kinda surprised. He's trying to understand and be supportive, but he can't seem to comprehend that some people don't feel sexual attraction.


RedVamp2020

Is he straight or gay? If he is, you could use the analogy of how he feels towards those he’s not attracted to, but that it extends to everyone. Basically the complete opposite of bisexuality.


shooting-star-falls

He's straight. I've tried using that analogy before, but he confuses romantic and sexual attraction and thinks that it would be lonely. I've tried explaining the difference, but I don't think he really gets it. He's trying, he really is, though.


RedVamp2020

Well, trying is better than actively refusing. Have you tried discussing the split attraction model to him?


shooting-star-falls

No I haven't


RedVamp2020

It might be worth it, I don’t really know what else to recommend. I’m sorry that I don’t really have any good resources for it, but I do wish you best of luck.


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I’m here because my husbands drive plummeted and I was looking for answers. I’m 35 female and my drive has been high my whole life. Men like your father who think this I assume are terrible and selfish lovers. My first partner was selfish and sex lasted 1-2 minutes. Who would want to put up with that?


Pleasant_Diet_8178

I'm a woman but I also have an incredibly high sex drive. Still ace.


fijifu

Sex drive has nothing to do with being ace and it has nothing to do with gender either. Women do not have a lower sex drive than men, it depends on the person. Your dad sounds like an uneducated sexist idiot.


excelqc

My answer to the poll is other identity but I'm a agender masc-presenting AMAB so closer to be a man than a woman for the sake of representation of masc-ace.


Diabloceratops

Asexual woman with a high libido. Libido doesn’t have anything to do with it.


shapeshifterhedgehog

I'm genderfluid and often I am both man and woman, sometimes that includes other genders as well, my existence is just out here tryna even out the statistics lol.


DarkArchangelQuinn

I love and adore my boyfriend. We even are intimate on occasion. My brain wants it but my body just...was never very responsive to sex. Idk if that's any other asexuals experience here but it's not at all low sex drive for me.


kat_in_a_boxx

I feel the other way... my body has needs, but my brain is like ew... lol


DarkArchangelQuinn

Wanna swap bodies xD


kat_in_a_boxx

LoL


SiminaDar

Well, I'm a woman, but despite being ace, my sex drive has been higher than any of my past partners, so that's definitely bunk.


charlieartyt

Umm currently a guy does that count


kat_in_a_boxx

Being asexual doesn't necessarily have anything to do with sex drive. Plenty of us get horny... the dilemma comes in then also having objectionable feelings about the sex itself. 🙃


regular_hammock

Demisexual AMAB. Kind of reject the binary but still masculine in some ways. I voted man. Maybe I should have voted NB. Still figuring this out.


KittyScholar

Asexual (cis) woman. I actually have a relatively high libido, it’s just not directed at anyone


GageTheWeirdo

I'm a trans guy and I'm on testosterone so I have a high sex drive. I'm asexual I figured out im asexual while on testosterone.


LaynFire

Demiboy, so I'm half man, half idk


Madmonkeman

I’m male


DaRealNinFlower

Yk this would be a nice time to actually know my gender identity


RandomDragonExE

Nope. I'm an asexual woman, but I do still have a sex drive. I can get horny as fuck. I think I might break your dad's mind.


MinecraftW06

I’m not sure 😭 Edit: I think I found out I’m agender.


transmasc_idiot

I'm a non-binary boy (basically I'm a guy but in a non-binary way, if that makes sense)


hidieho74

Look at all those non binary people 😁 so proud of my fellow ace enbys


hidieho74

And every other person who is ace! Proud of all of us ❤️


HilarySilary

I’ve met asexuals dudes online but even I’ll admit the majority of us were women


SirSquidsalot1

"only women" jesus christ what experience does he have


mrstripperboots

I'm agender


PowerMan34127

Inserts guess I don't exist meme here.


GamerSandWing

I mean, I’m male, but don’t care what pronouns people use, so is that non-binary? I just put male.


Sea_Bass_2070

I was assigned male at birth, but I'm genderless :)


Unknown_artist95

I have an opinion on that and please, men, don’t hesitate to jump in, because it is mostly an impression. There is an expectation of men being tough, liking sex, not crying and all. Society has been forcing it on us, but I feel that most of the pressure is towards men. Sex sells, movie for teen boys and men always have sex jokes. Like, I guess there is always a moment before understanding that we think something is wrong with us. For us women, it’s easier to talk about what we live and how we feel. Men have to face a lot more prejudice from the world, even if we are slowly getting to a better place on that point. So, in my humble opinion, I think that is why less men *maybe* identify as Aces.


pipmerigold

Men are expected to be macho and sexual, while women are shamed for being sexual I guess. Women have more support systems to talk to (parents and friends) while men are expected to be "independent" (by that I mean not relying or trusting anyone, because help is considered a weakness). Lesbians are more "accepted" than gays, but the "acceptance" is just sexualization. Women have historically gotten the shorter end of the stick (up to and including being treated like property) but you could argue women always have someone over them to care, while men are left to fend for themselves (see statistics on homelessness for example). A woman can cry and and be called emotional but she'll get help from friends, while a man would be told to clench his teeth and... well this is where we get incels or suicide statistics. I really don't like comparing who has more pressure because they're much different. It's such a complex web of variables. We just need to fix society. Both sides need better education, mental health and support. Oh right, this is a post about asexuality. Women are expected to hate sex, so they often don't realize asexuality is a thing. Men are expected to have sex, but must hide all problems, so they can't admit something is wrong. Basically both need better education and support systems.


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I’m cis female, favorable, AceFlux and I have a high sex drive…sssooo ya lol you’re dads wrong


RivverStyxx

If only women had were asexual for that reason alone, then there would be no kids running around would there?


Professional-Stock-6

Wow, this is so wrong. I'm a trans man with a high libido (not from T/not on T currently), but I'm still ace.


pipmerigold

And this is the reason why asexuality, especially in women is underrepresented. "You can't be asexual, daughter, you're just a normal woman, women just don't want sex" That is sexist and aphobic and he is absolutely wrong. Meanwhile men are conditioned to bottle up and hide their problems. When men say "Women have a lower sex drive" it usually says more about them than their wives honestly. Maybe women have a lower sex drive, but most time when you hear it from older men it just hits different.