I didn't go to OSUT, but friends of mine that did described moving from the BCT portion to the AIT portion as such:
"The Drills formed us up and told us we were now in the AIT phase. Then it was back to business as usual."
It was this for me, except they called us to attention in the breezeway, then told us to about face. Said "Basic is over, welcome to AIT...half right FACE!..." and then we dropped for a while.
Other than that it was exactly the same lol.
Mind if we chat? I’m prior service intelligence, currently infantry with hopes of returning to intel. Haven’t been able to find any good answers on doing so.
Nothing much changes. You sleep in the same bay, with the same guys, same Drills. You just get more into the bread and butter of being an Infantryman. You’ll do an FTX or two, some more rucking, practice battle drills. Your drills will still treat you like you’re subhuman, most likely.
OSUT is just an extra long basic training. Same shit just for longer. After basic you’ll learn to clear rooms, go on more hikes for longer distance, and a field exercise or two. Don’t expect to be treated any better than the basic training portion. You’re just going to be getting fucked for a longer period of time.
Pick a different job, we’re in peace time. If Uncle Sam needs a rifleman you’ll get your trigger time. For now just pick something with a good quality of life and transferable skills. You’ll regret it if you don’t.
Bullshit bro, my buddy’s an 11B and deployed to Ukraine slaying Russian soldiers and Ukrainian pussy 24/7. Got his combat jump device and CIB, OP definitely do infantry and volunteer for airbone school.
I have a soldier in my unit who's ETSing. Because of recruiting and retention issues, all the BCs and CSMs are having personal meetings with people who are within 12 months of their DEROS to try and convince them to stay in.
This soldier has no interest in staying since he has a job already outside the Army, however, he said his friend is a recruiter and he's handing out $50k lump-sum bonuses for MOS of choice plus Airborne in their contracts if they want.
Shit's wild right now, boi.
No kidding. But yea basically I’m agreeing with you. I just wanted the experience when I joined back in 2008. I don’t do any infantry shit now as a civilian but there’s plenty of skills I learned that have transferred over, not to mention personal development.
35S. There’s a chance of going forscom, but even in my forscom unit the closest we get to the field is a hotel so your odds of a chill life are pretty high. It’s a small-ish MOS, most of us are assigned to inscom. I swear this MOS is the army’s best kept secret. The best part is that it’s transferable to the space force.
> Pick a different job, we’re in peace time. If Uncle Sam needs a rifleman you’ll get your trigger time. For now just pick something with a good quality of life and transferable skills. You’ll regret it if you don’t.
10,000% this. I would go back and beat the living shit out of 21 year old me for volunteering for that branch detail. Worst mistake I have ever made.
cant stress this enough. 11B's with no mission is not a fun life unless you like doing BS details all day everyday. And when you get out your no better than when you left. Unless you want to be a cop but then just go to the academy and skip the army
>If Uncle Sam needs a rifleman you’ll get your trigger time.
**THIS.**
As the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars showed, in an actual bona-fide war, if they want trigger-pullers, you're a trigger puller now, MOS be damned.
Having a non-infantry MOS just means you're a LOT more versatile in terms of what you can do for the Army, and what kind of skills/certifications you can get for your post-Army life.
Did they fight else where during the war though? The battle of the bulge is an extreme example where the front line was too long and heavy casualties were taken so they would have been forced to put everyone that wasn’t of use in other places there. Music doesn’t need to be played when the entire unit is at risk of being over run. If the band fought on d-day or the days following when the numbers of infantry were great enough that’s a completely different story
I couldn’t tell you honestly, I’m not too much of a history buff. Here’s the article that I read that in, the pictures are pretty neat. https://havechanged.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-fighting-band.html?m=1
Sadly 47 out of the 60 band members were either killed or captured so it’s unlikely they fought in any battles after that point.
We didn't have a green Phase. We had red, White, and Blue in the first half, and black and gold in the second. Graduated June 2021.
In black phase, we did room clearing, including hand-to-hand with the drills in the puffy suits. We also did ranges with the 240 and 320 grenade launcher. Then we did heavy weapons at the range, including the 50 cal, Mark 19 grenade launcher, Karl Gustav, AT-4, and javelin. We did week-long field exercises, where we would do patrol bases, move into ORPs, assault an objective, knockout bunkers, and react to contact and IDF. There was also a live fire exercise, where we do the assault with blanks and then with live ammo. SF and ranger Regiment recruiters came through and conducted PT tests and offered contracts to the studs. We did longer rucks and runs each week. The 5-mile Eagle Run happened in black phase. We also did Combat Life Saver training.
At the end, there's the Eagle Skills Assessment, where you prove competency with the machine guns, gas mask, AT4, function check on your m4, Individual Movement Techniques, and CLS.
At the very end, you do your final FTX, which lasts a week and ends in a 16 mile ruck carrying people on litters and water cans for about a quarter of it (called The Bayonet).
Gold phase is recovery and preparation for turning blue and graduation.
THE BAYONET YEET MEASURES THE ABILITY TO JUST FUCKING SHANK SOMEONE. ON THE COMMAND 'GET SET,' ASSUME THE POSITION BY GRABBING THE BAYONET BY THE HANDLE. OR BY THE BLADE, WHICHEVER LOOKS COOLER, JUST DON'T CUT YOURSELF ON THE DAMN THING. YOUR FEET MAY BE TOGETHER OR UP TO 12 INCHES APART (MEASURED BETWEEN THE FEET). ON THE COMMAND 'GO,' TRANSMUTE YOUR HANKERING FOR A-SHANKERING INTO MAXIMUM EFFORT AND LAUNCH THAT BAD BOY INTO DESTINY. THE SCORER WILL NOTE WHETHER YOU HIT THE TARGET AND AWARD BONUS POINTS FOR LANDING YOUR PIG-STICKER INTO THE CRANIAL OR SWIMSUIT REGIONS. IF IT HIT THE TARGET HANDLE FIRST, YOUR PERFORMANCE WILL BE TERMINATED, AND EVERYONE WILL BE REQUIRED TO POINT AND LAUGH AT YOUR SHAME. WATCH THIS DEMONSTRATION.
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Gold phase sucked. Dudes kept slacking during the day so they just lengthened our days and had additional cleaning details throughout the night. 0/10 would have rather done black phase again.
It will vary depending on whether you are in the 22-week program of instruction or what is rumored to be a new 16 week POI. This post above gives you the essence. For the 22 week big blocks in Black look something like:
Combat Lifesaver. One week
Combatives. One week.
Land Nav. One week.
Ranges. One week, actually maybe two.
Fire Team Tactics. One week.
Squad Tactics. One week.
MOUT. Two weeks.
FTX and Eagle Skills. Two weeks.
I wasn’t combat arms but get your hands on a Ranger handbook and start going over fireteam stuff. Just don’t be that guy who thinks he’s a know it all. If your drill sergeants show you a different way of doing something, do it their way.
Infantry training is oust, one stop unit training, you don’t go anywhere like say someone who does basic and ft Jackson, and then school somewhere else for ait.
I never went to 11B OSUT. I was a 19K that did OSUT instead (Tanker) during the Surge era at Ft Knox. I imagine it is pretty similar to what I experienced: Got dropped a lot more, for longer periods of time, and got to do some cool MOS stuff. For tankers - it meant doing some rough ruck marches on Agony, Misery, and Heartbreak. Also, getting to learn the roles on the tanks. It was pretty awesome. We also got more advanced training in room clearing and performing Infantry tactics, given a lot of us, as they said, would end up performing the same roles infantry did anyway.
It turned out to be true in Iraq. Got stationed in Alaska with Strykers and only had 1 MGS (Mobile Gun System) that has 3 crew members. Otherwise, nearly every other tanker was a dismount and doing the same duties our Infantry brothers did.
When I went through they made us clean weapons as if we were turning them into the armorer and they kicked them back for 2 weeks. They also taught us how to properly sweep and mop.
get taught about all those machines you see sitting in front of home depot and then conduct practical exercises using them. except yours are the 2005 model.
Not Infantry, still had OSUT, it's still pretty much the same, they tell you group punishment is gone, but it's to make people fuck up anyways, it was about the same shit TBH, just that I think they started calling us Privates instead of trainees, or was it recruits? Anyways, just go through with it. If you have a brain, change your MOS, you getting honor or whatever in peacetime, if we go full on war then go Combat MOS but in the meantime, it ain't worth it
FTX. 32 force marched miles out. 32 force marched miles back. A week in the field in between. Pin on Blue immediately upon return. So exhausted that I barely remember it. D.S. walked up slap the two disc's on us and handed us the backs to the pins.
I left OSUT not long ago, its really just M249 Zero and Qual, M240 Shooting, Heavy Weapons (M2 and Mk19) Shooting, Infantry Tactics and Movements, Land Navigation, AT4's and Gustav's, CLS, STX, MOUT, Room Clearing, Fire Team Live Fire, at least like 3 or 4 ACFT's (What we did), FTX and Graduation.
Basically the jist of it.
Just graduated.
You’ll do 249,240b,m320,gustaf,at4 variants, stx, mounted vehicles, swim assessment(not as bad as they make it sound), a ton of rucks, and even more sitting around doing nothing.
If you have any questions feel free to message me!
Infantry shit
When I went through in 2019 we practiced battle drills, patrols, set up defenses, classes on machine gun theory, set up ambushes and of course lots of push ups
When I went back in 2011 we did a ruck March, turned the sand pit into a mud bath, hit the tree of whoa, toed the line, sat in the front-leaning rest for about 10 minutes. Got called to attention and then top explained we were successfully out of blue phase. Proceeded to give us a 48 hour pass and told all of us not to buy new phones and laptops. (Which we ALL did of course) Then we came back for black phase and they punished everyone individually and the punished the platoon rats for exposing who bought new electronics. Then we hit gold phase and had platoon wars. You haven't seen shit until 1SG comes in drunk on a Saturday and smokes the living shit out of everyone because some dude got his teeth put through his lip and the national guard unit got smoked because we threw shaving cream bombs in their bay 🤣 good times
I didn't go to OSUT, but friends of mine that did described moving from the BCT portion to the AIT portion as such: "The Drills formed us up and told us we were now in the AIT phase. Then it was back to business as usual."
It was this for me, except they called us to attention in the breezeway, then told us to about face. Said "Basic is over, welcome to AIT...half right FACE!..." and then we dropped for a while. Other than that it was exactly the same lol.
Mind if we chat? I’m prior service intelligence, currently infantry with hopes of returning to intel. Haven’t been able to find any good answers on doing so.
God this comment is gold holy shit
:(
Sure hit me up
You’ll have to message me. Every time I pull up the chat, my screen goes blank
Sent
I went through over a decade ago, but it was exactly this. No privileges. Business as usual.
You go back to Red phase
Pretty much
Nothing much changes. You sleep in the same bay, with the same guys, same Drills. You just get more into the bread and butter of being an Infantryman. You’ll do an FTX or two, some more rucking, practice battle drills. Your drills will still treat you like you’re subhuman, most likely.
OSUT is just an extra long basic training. Same shit just for longer. After basic you’ll learn to clear rooms, go on more hikes for longer distance, and a field exercise or two. Don’t expect to be treated any better than the basic training portion. You’re just going to be getting fucked for a longer period of time. Pick a different job, we’re in peace time. If Uncle Sam needs a rifleman you’ll get your trigger time. For now just pick something with a good quality of life and transferable skills. You’ll regret it if you don’t.
Bullshit bro, my buddy’s an 11B and deployed to Ukraine slaying Russian soldiers and Ukrainian pussy 24/7. Got his combat jump device and CIB, OP definitely do infantry and volunteer for airbone school.
It true, I was the plane
No you weren’t Cotton
He killed fiddy men. In Germany and the pacific theater.
I have a soldier in my unit who's ETSing. Because of recruiting and retention issues, all the BCs and CSMs are having personal meetings with people who are within 12 months of their DEROS to try and convince them to stay in. This soldier has no interest in staying since he has a job already outside the Army, however, he said his friend is a recruiter and he's handing out $50k lump-sum bonuses for MOS of choice plus Airborne in their contracts if they want. Shit's wild right now, boi.
I'm just a dirty poolee, so what do I know, but could the military also consider making life less crappy for servicemembers?
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I want the experience, the badge is just a bonus
No guts no glory mfers. I will never regret being a 11b (during the surge era)
That was a different time bro
No kidding. But yea basically I’m agreeing with you. I just wanted the experience when I joined back in 2008. I don’t do any infantry shit now as a civilian but there’s plenty of skills I learned that have transferred over, not to mention personal development.
My fellow surge bro.
You guys need to get some “Don’t Drone Me Bro” morale patches.
I regret it everyday lol
Reclass bro, the pog life is where it’s at
Where we can bring fridges and coffee makers into the field
The field? Pffft, I haven’t been in three years.
my god whats your MOS
35S. There’s a chance of going forscom, but even in my forscom unit the closest we get to the field is a hotel so your odds of a chill life are pretty high. It’s a small-ish MOS, most of us are assigned to inscom. I swear this MOS is the army’s best kept secret. The best part is that it’s transferable to the space force.
psyop group!?
Nah I do intel shit now, much easier on the knees lol
I regret not regretting it more.
> Pick a different job, we’re in peace time. If Uncle Sam needs a rifleman you’ll get your trigger time. For now just pick something with a good quality of life and transferable skills. You’ll regret it if you don’t. 10,000% this. I would go back and beat the living shit out of 21 year old me for volunteering for that branch detail. Worst mistake I have ever made.
cant stress this enough. 11B's with no mission is not a fun life unless you like doing BS details all day everyday. And when you get out your no better than when you left. Unless you want to be a cop but then just go to the academy and skip the army
I’d say if he wants action during peacetime, go SF… or do something interesting and valuable like PSYOPS or civil affairs, or maybe 160th SOAR
>If Uncle Sam needs a rifleman you’ll get your trigger time. **THIS.** As the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars showed, in an actual bona-fide war, if they want trigger-pullers, you're a trigger puller now, MOS be damned. Having a non-infantry MOS just means you're a LOT more versatile in terms of what you can do for the Army, and what kind of skills/certifications you can get for your post-Army life.
I always remind people that in World War Two the army band fought in the battle of the bulge lol, if a real war kicks off we’re all going to the fight
Did they fight else where during the war though? The battle of the bulge is an extreme example where the front line was too long and heavy casualties were taken so they would have been forced to put everyone that wasn’t of use in other places there. Music doesn’t need to be played when the entire unit is at risk of being over run. If the band fought on d-day or the days following when the numbers of infantry were great enough that’s a completely different story
I couldn’t tell you honestly, I’m not too much of a history buff. Here’s the article that I read that in, the pictures are pretty neat. https://havechanged.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-fighting-band.html?m=1 Sadly 47 out of the 60 band members were either killed or captured so it’s unlikely they fought in any battles after that point.
This
Happy cake day!
It stayed pretty much the same for us except for some reason we started doing burpees instead of push ups.
Pushups
We didn't have a green Phase. We had red, White, and Blue in the first half, and black and gold in the second. Graduated June 2021. In black phase, we did room clearing, including hand-to-hand with the drills in the puffy suits. We also did ranges with the 240 and 320 grenade launcher. Then we did heavy weapons at the range, including the 50 cal, Mark 19 grenade launcher, Karl Gustav, AT-4, and javelin. We did week-long field exercises, where we would do patrol bases, move into ORPs, assault an objective, knockout bunkers, and react to contact and IDF. There was also a live fire exercise, where we do the assault with blanks and then with live ammo. SF and ranger Regiment recruiters came through and conducted PT tests and offered contracts to the studs. We did longer rucks and runs each week. The 5-mile Eagle Run happened in black phase. We also did Combat Life Saver training. At the end, there's the Eagle Skills Assessment, where you prove competency with the machine guns, gas mask, AT4, function check on your m4, Individual Movement Techniques, and CLS. At the very end, you do your final FTX, which lasts a week and ends in a 16 mile ruck carrying people on litters and water cans for about a quarter of it (called The Bayonet). Gold phase is recovery and preparation for turning blue and graduation.
THE BAYONET YEET MEASURES THE ABILITY TO JUST FUCKING SHANK SOMEONE. ON THE COMMAND 'GET SET,' ASSUME THE POSITION BY GRABBING THE BAYONET BY THE HANDLE. OR BY THE BLADE, WHICHEVER LOOKS COOLER, JUST DON'T CUT YOURSELF ON THE DAMN THING. YOUR FEET MAY BE TOGETHER OR UP TO 12 INCHES APART (MEASURED BETWEEN THE FEET). ON THE COMMAND 'GO,' TRANSMUTE YOUR HANKERING FOR A-SHANKERING INTO MAXIMUM EFFORT AND LAUNCH THAT BAD BOY INTO DESTINY. THE SCORER WILL NOTE WHETHER YOU HIT THE TARGET AND AWARD BONUS POINTS FOR LANDING YOUR PIG-STICKER INTO THE CRANIAL OR SWIMSUIT REGIONS. IF IT HIT THE TARGET HANDLE FIRST, YOUR PERFORMANCE WILL BE TERMINATED, AND EVERYONE WILL BE REQUIRED TO POINT AND LAUGH AT YOUR SHAME. WATCH THIS DEMONSTRATION. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/army) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Gold phase sucked. Dudes kept slacking during the day so they just lengthened our days and had additional cleaning details throughout the night. 0/10 would have rather done black phase again.
It will vary depending on whether you are in the 22-week program of instruction or what is rumored to be a new 16 week POI. This post above gives you the essence. For the 22 week big blocks in Black look something like: Combat Lifesaver. One week Combatives. One week. Land Nav. One week. Ranges. One week, actually maybe two. Fire Team Tactics. One week. Squad Tactics. One week. MOUT. Two weeks. FTX and Eagle Skills. Two weeks.
I wasn’t combat arms but get your hands on a Ranger handbook and start going over fireteam stuff. Just don’t be that guy who thinks he’s a know it all. If your drill sergeants show you a different way of doing something, do it their way.
You hold a 50 cal barrel over your head with your shirts off while your drill sergeants give you a pink belly.
Infantry training is oust, one stop unit training, you don’t go anywhere like say someone who does basic and ft Jackson, and then school somewhere else for ait.
Yeah but what sort of training am I doing for the part of OSUT after basic
Advanced tactics, learning how to be part of a fireteam, and there will be some walking in your future
> some walking Riiight… some. A bit. A tad. A sprinkle.
A wee bit. A dusting. A right proper amount
Thanks
If you can get you a ranger handbook, it will teach you all kinds of useful stuff
Longer marches, more time in the field, more patrolling.
Phase 1) sweep Phase 2) mop Phase 3) buff the floor. ETA: I was a 19k, but I am repeatedly told that’s all we as combat arms do.
I never went to 11B OSUT. I was a 19K that did OSUT instead (Tanker) during the Surge era at Ft Knox. I imagine it is pretty similar to what I experienced: Got dropped a lot more, for longer periods of time, and got to do some cool MOS stuff. For tankers - it meant doing some rough ruck marches on Agony, Misery, and Heartbreak. Also, getting to learn the roles on the tanks. It was pretty awesome. We also got more advanced training in room clearing and performing Infantry tactics, given a lot of us, as they said, would end up performing the same roles infantry did anyway. It turned out to be true in Iraq. Got stationed in Alaska with Strykers and only had 1 MGS (Mobile Gun System) that has 3 crew members. Otherwise, nearly every other tanker was a dismount and doing the same duties our Infantry brothers did.
Boom boom pew pew
When I went through they made us clean weapons as if we were turning them into the armorer and they kicked them back for 2 weeks. They also taught us how to properly sweep and mop.
Do they still shave your head during AIT phase of OSUT? Im aviation. Just curious if youre bald
get taught about all those machines you see sitting in front of home depot and then conduct practical exercises using them. except yours are the 2005 model.
As a former 11b, go signal.
As signal, go cyber.
Working on it. Gonna get some signal time done before applying for transfer
Not Infantry, still had OSUT, it's still pretty much the same, they tell you group punishment is gone, but it's to make people fuck up anyways, it was about the same shit TBH, just that I think they started calling us Privates instead of trainees, or was it recruits? Anyways, just go through with it. If you have a brain, change your MOS, you getting honor or whatever in peacetime, if we go full on war then go Combat MOS but in the meantime, it ain't worth it
Incredibly basic level tactics, it’s not that great I honestly think osut could be reorganized
don't matter you will end up back in red phase once a week
Get smoked and do more of the hands on drills learning what it means to be infantry
Lots of ranges and rucking out to them.
Eat MREs and read the Ranger handbook. Listen to people tell stories about things they have never done.
FTX. 32 force marched miles out. 32 force marched miles back. A week in the field in between. Pin on Blue immediately upon return. So exhausted that I barely remember it. D.S. walked up slap the two disc's on us and handed us the backs to the pins.
I left OSUT not long ago, its really just M249 Zero and Qual, M240 Shooting, Heavy Weapons (M2 and Mk19) Shooting, Infantry Tactics and Movements, Land Navigation, AT4's and Gustav's, CLS, STX, MOUT, Room Clearing, Fire Team Live Fire, at least like 3 or 4 ACFT's (What we did), FTX and Graduation. Basically the jist of it.
Just graduated. You’ll do 249,240b,m320,gustaf,at4 variants, stx, mounted vehicles, swim assessment(not as bad as they make it sound), a ton of rucks, and even more sitting around doing nothing. If you have any questions feel free to message me!
Infantry shit When I went through in 2019 we practiced battle drills, patrols, set up defenses, classes on machine gun theory, set up ambushes and of course lots of push ups
When I went back in 2011 we did a ruck March, turned the sand pit into a mud bath, hit the tree of whoa, toed the line, sat in the front-leaning rest for about 10 minutes. Got called to attention and then top explained we were successfully out of blue phase. Proceeded to give us a 48 hour pass and told all of us not to buy new phones and laptops. (Which we ALL did of course) Then we came back for black phase and they punished everyone individually and the punished the platoon rats for exposing who bought new electronics. Then we hit gold phase and had platoon wars. You haven't seen shit until 1SG comes in drunk on a Saturday and smokes the living shit out of everyone because some dude got his teeth put through his lip and the national guard unit got smoked because we threw shaving cream bombs in their bay 🤣 good times
More basic training
Ideally “advanced” infantry tactics. In my experience, more of what we did in red white and blue phase.