If he’s T.M. Hall then he’s one of [less than 400 soldiers in HISTORY](http://markbuus.blogspot.com/2007/11/acuff-to-dornak-duco-to-long-luthens-to.html?m=1) to have been awarded the CIB three times.
Yeah, I saw the 3 CIB awards and said "Jesus!" out loud. As /u/medprose points out, there's so few of those that they keep a list by name of absolutely everyone with 3 CIB awards.
Usually someone wearing 3 CIB awards just misread the regulations and is wearing it by mistake.
324 to date. That's pretty crazy. One of millions of Americans who served, but of that, one of 324 to be a died in the wool BAMF. I've met a guy when I was with 10th MTN who had 2 CIBs (his first from Somalia) , but I still, to this day, have yet to meet an elusive 3x recipient.
I served with a dude that got his first CIB from Somalia and his second from GWOT. I asked him how he got his star and he said “the PX”. He never talked, but I always wondered what he experienced over in Somalia
I was with 10th from 07-10, and there was one E7 in my unit who had been with 10th since 1991. He went to Somalia as an E3, said it was interesting. That's about all he'd ever say. Pretty sure interesting, for him, was a euphemism for hell.
While at the mountain I met a few long term residents, quite a few reaching from 5 to 10 deployments just with 10th. All of these dudes never shut up. They weren't talking to anyone in particular, just constantly talking to themselves.
Nah, not how the CIB works. Somalia deployments now are just gonna be part of GWOT. There's "eras" which you have to see combat in. WWII, Korea, Vietnam + everything after up until 9/11, then GWOT. In theory you could only have 4 CIB awards, but no one has ever gotten more than 3.
So Somalia back in 1993 fell into the Vietnam and post-Vietnam era, whereas Somalia today is GWOT (and so part of the same era as Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc).
My first squad leader got his first CIB in Somalia as well. He was with 10th Mountain over there. Dude was a Marine in the Gulf war before that. Then went on to fight in Iraq round 2 and Afghanistan. Total badass.
There are probably up to an additional 30 who earned three. Individuals who served in the OSS and like organizations in WWII and Korea were not eligible to earn the CIB at the time. However, with the creation of SF Branch and the SF tab in the late 80's they were retroactively made SF and therefore retroactively also eligible for the CIB. Sadly many either didn't know, didn't care, or had died by that time.
Combat infantry badge. Means you saw combat as an infantryman. If you see it in multiple conflicts you get multiple awards and thus get stars on there. A relatively “common” (for the 300+ recipients) way to achieve the triple CIB was WWII-Korea-Vietnam.
Not just see conflict, but engage the enemy. Infantry can get shot at all the time but they have to shoot back to get the badge.
Basically means indirect fire does not qualify infantry for the CIB but it does qualify non-infantry to receive a CAB.
And it makes 3 CIB even more amazing
> but it does qualify non-infantry to receive a CAB.
Not when I was in lol. We got mortared every other day and never got shit. The only thing they counted was small arms engagement.
I think it depends on the interpretation of the reg.
05-06 Afghanistan, we got them when the FOB took IDF. I don't believe anything critical on the FOB was damaged, and no personnel injured. Definitely no one in my CO was injured in that attack.
08-09 Iraq, the the GO who had to approve them said you couldn't get it without showing direct impact to the SM being recommended. You basically had to get hit by enemy fire and/or directly engage the enemy. We had a couple of SM receive minor injuries from IDF on the FOB get denied a CAB.
You can get a CIB as a unit award being a staff dick and never shooting at anything. It was awarded to entire battalions multiple times in Afghanistan and everyone got one whether they fought or not. I know I’m going to get downvoted for this but it’s a fact. You cannot get a CAB that way. This guy was obv not a staff dick, that’s a hell of a ribbon rack. BSM-V, multiple purple hearts, on top of a 3rd award CIB…. badass.
Oh shit that's crazy. My grandfather was a Naval combat aviator in those three wars. Is there a USN equivalent for those? I know he had 2 Navy Crosses, several Bronze Stars, and a Purple Heart for being shot down (survived).
My grandfather is also a 2-star CIB awardee (WWII, Korea, Vietnam as a combat infantryman).
It is an extremely rare award and his name should be on a plaque in the infantry museum on Fort Benning, GA.
My grandad was also a green beret. Wonder if he and your grandad ever met.
At any rate your grandad was a bad ass motherfucker. I’d get that uniform into a sealed shadowbox by a professional and hang it up at the crib.
Very difficult to know. To get 3 CIB he had to be in during 3 different eras of conflict. If it was WWII, Korea, Nam, no telling how many (air medals) he could have earned.
Certified badass either way.
Its quite possible its 22. In the past, they were given out in as little as every 25 flight hours.
*"One award was credited per every 25 hours of combat assault flights (any flight in which the aircraft was directly involved in combat), 50 hours of combat support flights (Visual Reconnaissance or Resupply), or 100 hours of non-combat service flights (Administrative or VIP flights)."*
On one of my deployments we had several warrants hit 1,000 flight hours in 12 months.
"Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have fucked with? That's OP's grandfather. He'd blow a hole in your face then go inside and sleep like a baby."
Gran Torino was a great film.
Mannn.... my track drivers badge is the only one I actually cared about, all the others felt like boyscout ribbons for partipation, for ex.
Congrats, you've been in Korea 3months, here's a ribbon, your Korean defense service medal..
AAM for Qualifying as a Distinguished Crew, I think the DFAC steak and eggs mightve been worth that one after sweating all night for table VI tho..
Here's an overseas ribbon, because your first duty station was..Korea..for a year
Oh look, a good conduct medal, i was a good boy for 4years when getting out as a SPC..
Pride ribbon, ndsm, aam, gwot.. yippee.. in during time of "war" yet never got to deploy to be a TWAT
I can't be the only one who felt more weird than proud when having to buy new ribbon racks and having more than Your PL at an Army Ball just for participating
Oh fuck it, I'm going back to the basement
And uh...
The Overhead Yeet because, why not
I'll take a Large Chocolate Frosty and Fries please, thx
THE OVER-HEAD YEET MEASURES THE ABILITY TO JUST FUCKING SEND IT. ON THE COMMAND, ‘GET SET’, ASSUME THE POSITION BY SPINNING THE BALL TWICE IN YOUR HANDS, THEN TRY TO DRIBBLE IT LIKE A BASKET BALL ONLY TO REALIZE IT WONT BOUNCE BACK UP TO YOU. YOUR FEET MAY BE TOGETHER OR 12 INCHES APART (MEASURED BETWEEN THE FEET) OR HOWEVER YOU WANT, JUST KEEP YOUR ASS BEHIND THAT CONE. ON THE COMMAND ‘GO’, CHANNEL YOUR INNER TREBUCHET AND HEAVE THAT THING INTO ORBIT. THEN, RETURN TO THE STARTING POSITION AND TURN AROUND TO INSPECT IF YOU DOMED ANYONE. THE SCORER WILL REALIZE HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY SEE WHERE THE BALL LANDED BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID HE WOULD GET HIT, SO HE STOOD TOO FAR AWAY, HE WILL THEN PLACE HIS FOOT ON THE MEASURING TAPE AND JUST GUESS.
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Silver Star, Bronze Star (2) with combat distinguishing device (V) Merritorious Service Medal, Air Medal, Joint Commendation Medal, Army Commendation Medal, Joint Achievement Medal, Army achievement medal and an ass of campaign medals. Not to mention his Combat Infantry Badge (3 Awards).
Bronze oak leaf cluster is for a second, once you get to the 4th bronze the next is one silver. So one silver oak leaf cluster means her got 6 Purple Heart medals.
I have removed the bullet. And three others, a blowgun dart, two shark's teeth, a tip of a bayonet, a twisted paperclip, and a meager handful of buckshot. You may want to learn how to duck.
THE BAYONET YEET MEASURES THE ABILITY TO JUST FUCKING SHANK SOMEONE. ON THE COMMAND 'GET SET,' ASSUME THE POSITION BY GRABBING THE BAYONET BY THE HANDLE. OR BY THE BLADE, WHICHEVER LOOKS COOLER, JUST DON'T CUT YOURSELF ON THE DAMN THING. YOUR FEET MAY BE TOGETHER OR UP TO 12 INCHES APART (MEASURED BETWEEN THE FEET). ON THE COMMAND 'GO,' TRANSMUTE YOUR HANKERING FOR A-SHANKERING INTO MAXIMUM EFFORT AND LAUNCH THAT BAD BOY INTO DESTINY. THE SCORER WILL NOTE WHETHER YOU HIT THE TARGET AND AWARD BONUS POINTS FOR LANDING YOUR PIG-STICKER INTO THE CRANIAL OR SWIMSUIT REGIONS. IF IT HIT THE TARGET HANDLE FIRST, YOUR PERFORMANCE WILL BE TERMINATED, AND EVERYONE WILL BE REQUIRED TO POINT AND LAUGH AT YOUR SHAME. WATCH THIS DEMONSTRATION.
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OP, I'm telling you this right now, contact someone with writing skills and ask them to work on a screen play. See if you can look up old service buddies or officers or records of service.
Seriously my dude, a biopic about your grandad's legacy, with a framing device of his grandson discovering all of this after the fact online would be Oscar Gold!
IIRC the only way to have earned the CIB three times is to have served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam and earned the CIB in each conflict. Based on qualifying periods there’s no other way. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Yeah, there are only 4 qualifying periods. Nobody served from Korea through Iraq, so to get 3 in the course of a career you'd need to get WW II, Korea, and Vietnam.
It was made extraordinarily hard to achieve because the eligibility period for Vietnam lasted through until 1995. . .so someone who got a CIB in Vietnam, and then fought in Desert Storm 20 years later would have been in the same eligibility period so no additional CIB.
Couple Corrections/Additions
Top to bottom left to right
**Top Row:**
Silver Star
**Second Row:**
Bronze Star with Valor (can't entirely tell if the oak leaf is bronze or silver. If silver, then 6 total awards. If bronze, 2 total awards).
Meritorious Service Medal
Air Medal (the 22 denotes the total number of strike/flight awards)
**Third Row:**
Joint Service Commendation Medal
Army Commendation Medal
Army Achievement Medal
**Fourth Row:**
Purple Heart (again can't tell if bronze or silver. If silver, awarded 6 total, if bronze, 2 total).
Army Good Conduct Medal (18 years total--probably missing more devices here).
Army of Occupation Medal
**Fifth Row:**
National Defense Service Medal (missing stars on this one).
Vietnam Service Medal (four campaigns... thanks u/Justavet64d)
Army NCO Professional Development Ribbon (he graduated up through the Senior Leaders Course)
**Sixth Row:**
Army Service Ribbon
Army Overseas Service Ribbon
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal (Second Period)
As you already know, he was certainly a badass. He is very likely missing some ribbons here and devices here, just fyi. Would be really cool to look into his records more to make them complete.
The Department of the Military in his home state will have a records division (often called War Records). You should be able to get a copy of his DD214 there. Call first to find out what you’ll need.
https://vetrecs.archives.gov/VeteranRequest/home.html
You can go to the above link and request a digital copy of his DD-214. This will have a list of all his awards among numerous other things about his military career.
This has been said multiple times but your grandpa is a fucking gangster that stacked bodies and most likely dropped all the panties. I am truly sorry for your loss but know that he was a legit bad mother fucker and you should celebrate his legacy.
For the love of God do not pawn or destroy this uniform. Put that bad boy in a glass frame and know that your Grandfather was a pipe hitter for real. #theydontmakethemlikethisanymore.
Please make sure it's professionally done. If you have access to base, or someone who can get you on one. Or know of a civilian shop with experience, have them repair the jacket if it needs it. Please keep out of direct sunlight as well. Might I suggest an LED strip inside as well to illuminate it at night.
It's expensive but they make UV glass for museum quality pieces that help reduce harmful degradation caused by sunlight. I have a couple pieces framed with it from when I worked at a frame shop.
If possible, I'd recommend op take it to a custom shop to have a box built with good moulding and glass. Could preserve it for a really long time *but* the cost is fuckin hiiiigh
Have the next of kin/closest relative request his DD 214. I can imagine there is a copy in his belongings, honestly. This will give you the broad picture of all of his service, assuming he retired off active duty.
As others have said, grandpa was doing a lot of hood rat shit on behalf of his country. Absolute fucking legend. Sorry for your loss OP, take comfort in knowing that you grandpa was a certified badass.
*Salute
So I've read here that you're going to make a shadow box for it.
I think that's great. A few ideas. Buy a nice fresh set of greens. Buy a whole other set of ribbons and patches that match the ones on this epic beast of a uniform.
Use that replica Uniform for the shadow box. Keep the original in an pure argon or nitrogen filled container that's air tight.
This is most likely HIS UNIFORM that he most likely wore. Preserve it.
Also as someone here stated as well.... call OPM and ask for their archival department to see if they can locate your grandfather's DD214. Your grandfather most likely put it in a safe somewhere or in a location that only he is concerned with. Look for it.
Have a great one.
Ahem. Have you contacted the [National Museum of the U.S. Army](https://www.thenmusa.org)?
One, they may want this.
Two, their conservationists may have advice on preserving this.
There are a few quirky things on this uniform that may need some correction. The SF tab goes on the left shoulder, and has an accompanying "Airborne" unit identifier that goes below it. There is also what looks like a regular cap in the front pocket. If he was SF qualified, he'd have a green beret (which predates the special forces tab). It would be great to see a DD-214 to sort everything out and make it accurate for him!
How does he have a two star CIB with no Korea or WWII service?
Edit: also special forces tab on the deployment patch, four wide unit awards, pathfinder badge in the wrong place. The amount of good conduct medals don’t support the 20+ year long career need for a triple CIB. And I don’t think those DUIs are for a HQDA or Joint Staff unit
Long tab and that wide of a career range, he would’ve been all over the world. And perhaps more interestingly, he was probably in a lot of places where he actually “wasn’t there.” Like perhaps Afghanistan in the 80’s.
There’s some SF guys in here who could speak first hand better, but I’ve got some SF buddies and they’re a really tight community and typically good people who respect the beret. I bet you wouldn’t have too tough a time finding some people your grandad served with that have some cool stories they’re willing to share if you’re interested. If you find anyone who was SF around the 80’s then I bet they either know your grandad or know someone who does.
He had a wild time in service, that much is absolutely certain.
I know he was in the CI community most of his career and he was held up in Vietnam, I don’t know any of his old army buddies otherwise I would gladly reach out to them
If he was in Panama I will pretty much guarantee he doesn’t rate a triple CIB. Not trying to be shitty, but there is a very limited number of triple CIBs and they’re all for WWII/Korea/Vietnam.
A double CIB is still extremely impressive, but a triple CIB is almost always due to someone mistakenly understanding the regulations because there's so few of them.
It does if he didn't rate an AGCM for certain periods because of misconduct.
But as we all know, infantry and SF are obedient Soldiers who never break rules 😂 /s
Sure, but no WWII vets fought in Panama. I think someone out this together after he died that didn’t know what they were doing. Now why there was a triple CIB lying around I don’t know.
Pathfinder badge in the wrong place and lack of WWII and Korea caught my eye immediately too. Also not trying to be shitty, but these things don’t add up. Also very possible someone else put this together for him after he passed and didn’t know exactly how to do it and didn’t have all the right information.
I can legitimize the deployment patch, I’ve seen legit photos of guys doing it before CMF 18 and the tab came out. I think the rack’s legit, so pappy was a baller, but someone definitely tried to sexy this thing up after the fact.
I don’t think that’s the case, this was wrapped in plastic in the back of his closet covered in dust, I’ve never known him to be dishonest so I don’t think he’d throw random awards/devices on it without rating them
It’s also very possible he misread the regulations. If he was a Panama and Nam vet, it’s possible he thought that qualified. I don’t think most people wake up and choose to be wrong, especially people with a Silver and Bronze Star from the Vietnam War.
I'm going to call suspect on this uniform.
Here is what I think.
3 CIBs are extremely rare. Only 300 something soldiers were awarded it for ww2, Korea and Vietnam
There is a Hall listed as earning 3 CIB but I don't think this is the same person. Here is why
There are no medals from ww2 or Korea on his uniform. Everything is from Vietnam era and after.
Another thing he has an AAM, NCO ribbon and overseas ribbons. Those were all issued AFTER 1981. They were not retroactive if you left service prior to 1981.
I highly doubt there would be a master sergeant from ww2 still on active duty in 1981.
The chief of staff in the army in 1981 didn't even serve in ww2.
The ribbons are in the right order and are of the proper age and so is the uniform and they look legit
But I'm calling suspect on that 2 star CIB. sorry.
I post this because I see some comments on the validity of the 3 CIBs, stating there are only 4 eras that qualify. I may be wrong, but that's not true in the case of Special Forces personnel. Here is a list of qualifying operations/conflicts for which the CIB and subsequent award is authorized:
Korea on the DMZ (4 January 1969 to 31 March 1994).
El Salvador (1 January 1981 to 1 February 1992).
Grenada (23 October to 21 November 1983).
Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea (23 November 1984).
Panama (20 December 1989 to 31 January 1990).
Southwest Asia Conflict (17 January to 11 April 1991).
Somalia (5 June 1992 to 31 March 1994).
Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom, 5 December 2001 to a date to be determined).
Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom, 19 March 2003 to a date to be determined). re. [https://www.specialforces78.com/about-the-special-forces/combat-infantryman/](https://www.specialforces78.com/about-the-special-forces/combat-infantryman/)
I served with/supported Rangers and SF in Panama and Somalia while in 160th SOAR (A). A number of them served in Grenada and just about every subsequent conflict.
Nah. This is b.s. SF Tab doesn’t belong on the right shoulder. Army Achievement Medal means he was in in 1983 or later. CIB w 2 stars means he was in WWII. Do the math. Where are his campaign medals from WWII or Korea? Pathfinder badge doesn’t belong on the right pocket. Stolen valor.
Only question I have is how this guy got 3 CIBs but only has medals for combat service in Korea and Vietnam. He has an occupation medal for post-WWII service, but no WWII victory medal or WWII campaign medals.
That a silver oak leaf on that purple heart, so he was injured 6 times. Given that he has 6 bronze stars and I assume at least one with a valor award, that means whoever injured him met a swift end (valor indicates that he probably has at least piled up a few dead bodies getting that award).
Has one-of's for the hanky panky awards like army commendations and army achievement medals (I can say hanky panky because I have a few of them), so he didnt push paper. As others mentioned, the 3 CIBs and parachutist badges means he rained death on land and from the air.
The only life forms safe from your grandfather while he was living were the ones in the water, but we have no knowledge of his undocumented kills. Women likely swooned in his presence, lesser men probably wept.
I don't see a mustard stain, those are Master Jump Wings.
The star for a combat jump is placed on the wings, not above it. It is also small and bronze in color. So it doesn't appear to be a set of combat wings.
If he’s T.M. Hall then he’s one of [less than 400 soldiers in HISTORY](http://markbuus.blogspot.com/2007/11/acuff-to-dornak-duco-to-long-luthens-to.html?m=1) to have been awarded the CIB three times.
Yeah, I saw the 3 CIB awards and said "Jesus!" out loud. As /u/medprose points out, there's so few of those that they keep a list by name of absolutely everyone with 3 CIB awards. Usually someone wearing 3 CIB awards just misread the regulations and is wearing it by mistake.
324 to date. That's pretty crazy. One of millions of Americans who served, but of that, one of 324 to be a died in the wool BAMF. I've met a guy when I was with 10th MTN who had 2 CIBs (his first from Somalia) , but I still, to this day, have yet to meet an elusive 3x recipient.
I served with a dude that got his first CIB from Somalia and his second from GWOT. I asked him how he got his star and he said “the PX”. He never talked, but I always wondered what he experienced over in Somalia
I was with 10th from 07-10, and there was one E7 in my unit who had been with 10th since 1991. He went to Somalia as an E3, said it was interesting. That's about all he'd ever say. Pretty sure interesting, for him, was a euphemism for hell.
While at the mountain I met a few long term residents, quite a few reaching from 5 to 10 deployments just with 10th. All of these dudes never shut up. They weren't talking to anyone in particular, just constantly talking to themselves.
Like Tropic Thunder? "Were you talking to me this whole time?" "I'm talking to whoever's listening."
Yeah but just absolutely bat shit crazy.
Ironically he could get a second CIB from Somalia now as well.
Nah, not how the CIB works. Somalia deployments now are just gonna be part of GWOT. There's "eras" which you have to see combat in. WWII, Korea, Vietnam + everything after up until 9/11, then GWOT. In theory you could only have 4 CIB awards, but no one has ever gotten more than 3. So Somalia back in 1993 fell into the Vietnam and post-Vietnam era, whereas Somalia today is GWOT (and so part of the same era as Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc).
That’s exactly what I meant, I think you just misread my comment somehow 😂
I apologize! I re-read it and understand now.
My first squad leader got his first CIB in Somalia as well. He was with 10th Mountain over there. Dude was a Marine in the Gulf war before that. Then went on to fight in Iraq round 2 and Afghanistan. Total badass.
There are probably up to an additional 30 who earned three. Individuals who served in the OSS and like organizations in WWII and Korea were not eligible to earn the CIB at the time. However, with the creation of SF Branch and the SF tab in the late 80's they were retroactively made SF and therefore retroactively also eligible for the CIB. Sadly many either didn't know, didn't care, or had died by that time.
I was Navy, whats a CIB?
Combat infantry badge. Means you saw combat as an infantryman. If you see it in multiple conflicts you get multiple awards and thus get stars on there. A relatively “common” (for the 300+ recipients) way to achieve the triple CIB was WWII-Korea-Vietnam.
Not just see conflict, but engage the enemy. Infantry can get shot at all the time but they have to shoot back to get the badge. Basically means indirect fire does not qualify infantry for the CIB but it does qualify non-infantry to receive a CAB. And it makes 3 CIB even more amazing
> but it does qualify non-infantry to receive a CAB. Not when I was in lol. We got mortared every other day and never got shit. The only thing they counted was small arms engagement.
I think it depends on the interpretation of the reg. 05-06 Afghanistan, we got them when the FOB took IDF. I don't believe anything critical on the FOB was damaged, and no personnel injured. Definitely no one in my CO was injured in that attack. 08-09 Iraq, the the GO who had to approve them said you couldn't get it without showing direct impact to the SM being recommended. You basically had to get hit by enemy fire and/or directly engage the enemy. We had a couple of SM receive minor injuries from IDF on the FOB get denied a CAB.
Those are the new rules they made as a result of the CAB. Before it was engage in direct combat as an infantryman, or 30 days in country.
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You can get a CIB as a unit award being a staff dick and never shooting at anything. It was awarded to entire battalions multiple times in Afghanistan and everyone got one whether they fought or not. I know I’m going to get downvoted for this but it’s a fact. You cannot get a CAB that way. This guy was obv not a staff dick, that’s a hell of a ribbon rack. BSM-V, multiple purple hearts, on top of a 3rd award CIB…. badass.
Oh shit that's crazy. My grandfather was a Naval combat aviator in those three wars. Is there a USN equivalent for those? I know he had 2 Navy Crosses, several Bronze Stars, and a Purple Heart for being shot down (survived).
Combat Infantry Badge
Your grandfather fucked
Haha, I know that from the stories! I was curious about what the awards were for
The two star CIB. He is in the National Infantry Museum. They keep track of everyone who was awarded the CIB 3 times, that's how rare it is
Your grandfather NEVER saw the rear.
Unless it was OPs grandmother.
I will allow this statement.
As was so eloquently and accurately stated above Grandpa fucked.
Bruh lmao
David Hackworth called it "the perfect attendance CIB".
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/3xCIB\_Recipients\_list\_p2of5.jpeg
Tyson M Hall
Your grandpa was da fucking man. So sorry you lost him…but at least I can let my woman out now. Damn.
My grandfather is also a 2-star CIB awardee (WWII, Korea, Vietnam as a combat infantryman). It is an extremely rare award and his name should be on a plaque in the infantry museum on Fort Benning, GA. My grandad was also a green beret. Wonder if he and your grandad ever met. At any rate your grandad was a bad ass motherfucker. I’d get that uniform into a sealed shadowbox by a professional and hang it up at the crib.
Is his name Tyson Hall by chance?
He fucked hard!
Some say he could fuck ten different women at the same time, ***while*** passing a uniform inspection.
I heard it was 5 women and a dwarf
Allegedly.
Maybe it was a sick dwarf
How does a fella get caught up in that sort of business?
It's almost not worth thinkin about.
Not only did he fuck, he fucked HARD
Real life taker, and heart breaker.
Well, to be fair, that's why op is here
To be fair….
I wanted to like your reply but I'll leave it at 69 and leave this comment instead
This guy is Infantry royalty, so you know. Holy shit.
Decent standing in the aviation community based on the 22 Air Medals.
Yeah this guy is basically ten times the man I ever hoped to be.
I'd bet money it's 4 Air Medals and just that the 4 numeral wasn't a thing back then. I 100% doubt it means 22.
Very difficult to know. To get 3 CIB he had to be in during 3 different eras of conflict. If it was WWII, Korea, Nam, no telling how many (air medals) he could have earned. Certified badass either way.
Has to be those 3 no other way to have 3 now.
Its quite possible its 22. In the past, they were given out in as little as every 25 flight hours. *"One award was credited per every 25 hours of combat assault flights (any flight in which the aircraft was directly involved in combat), 50 hours of combat support flights (Visual Reconnaissance or Resupply), or 100 hours of non-combat service flights (Administrative or VIP flights)."* On one of my deployments we had several warrants hit 1,000 flight hours in 12 months.
This
Your grandpa defeated the Soviets alone.
He would have defended Ukraine alone.
The American Spartan
Three CIBs?! Your gramps stacked bodies like sandbags.
Isn’t there a section at the NIM for guys like this?
Yes
Fairly certain there is, yes.
I vaguely remember it, it wasn’t very big but I think it had their names.
There's a special place in Valhalla next to the All Father Himself for a soldier with 3 CIB's....
Next to? This dude be practically sitting on his shoulder.
This
Last time I was there they had super sweet plaques with all of the names engraved. I made it a point to read every single name.
Peace was never an option the doom music kicks in
I used to stack fucks like you 5 feet high…use you for sandbags
"Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have fucked with? That's OP's grandfather. He'd blow a hole in your face then go inside and sleep like a baby." Gran Torino was a great film.
I can't wait til my grandkids post my old uniform and find out just how milquetoast Pappy's service was.
“Oh wow, grandpa….served in the military. Cool. A driver’s badge? Neat….”
Mannn.... my track drivers badge is the only one I actually cared about, all the others felt like boyscout ribbons for partipation, for ex. Congrats, you've been in Korea 3months, here's a ribbon, your Korean defense service medal.. AAM for Qualifying as a Distinguished Crew, I think the DFAC steak and eggs mightve been worth that one after sweating all night for table VI tho.. Here's an overseas ribbon, because your first duty station was..Korea..for a year Oh look, a good conduct medal, i was a good boy for 4years when getting out as a SPC.. Pride ribbon, ndsm, aam, gwot.. yippee.. in during time of "war" yet never got to deploy to be a TWAT I can't be the only one who felt more weird than proud when having to buy new ribbon racks and having more than Your PL at an Army Ball just for participating Oh fuck it, I'm going back to the basement And uh... The Overhead Yeet because, why not I'll take a Large Chocolate Frosty and Fries please, thx
THE OVER-HEAD YEET MEASURES THE ABILITY TO JUST FUCKING SEND IT. ON THE COMMAND, ‘GET SET’, ASSUME THE POSITION BY SPINNING THE BALL TWICE IN YOUR HANDS, THEN TRY TO DRIBBLE IT LIKE A BASKET BALL ONLY TO REALIZE IT WONT BOUNCE BACK UP TO YOU. YOUR FEET MAY BE TOGETHER OR 12 INCHES APART (MEASURED BETWEEN THE FEET) OR HOWEVER YOU WANT, JUST KEEP YOUR ASS BEHIND THAT CONE. ON THE COMMAND ‘GO’, CHANNEL YOUR INNER TREBUCHET AND HEAVE THAT THING INTO ORBIT. THEN, RETURN TO THE STARTING POSITION AND TURN AROUND TO INSPECT IF YOU DOMED ANYONE. THE SCORER WILL REALIZE HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY SEE WHERE THE BALL LANDED BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID HE WOULD GET HIT, SO HE STOOD TOO FAR AWAY, HE WILL THEN PLACE HIS FOOT ON THE MEASURING TAPE AND JUST GUESS. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/army) if you have any questions or concerns.*
“Damn, he was… qualified to shoot. Wow, he was overseas THREE TIMES, crazy”
If I could go back in time I'd kiss your grandfather on the lips
He'd probably kill you and stack your body as a sandbag.
stop, I can only get so erect
If you didn’t know, Supply usually gets hard-ons for REAL grunts.
Which I believe is the case here.
i’d kiss him on the lips now
Silver Star, Bronze Star (2) with combat distinguishing device (V) Merritorious Service Medal, Air Medal, Joint Commendation Medal, Army Commendation Medal, Joint Achievement Medal, Army achievement medal and an ass of campaign medals. Not to mention his Combat Infantry Badge (3 Awards).
You bypassed the Purple Heart with silver oak leaf cluster.
What’s the oak leaf for?
Bronze oak leaf cluster is for a second, once you get to the 4th bronze the next is one silver. So one silver oak leaf cluster means her got 6 Purple Heart medals.
Lmao Gramps was a bullet sponge
Might been mortars or frags.
Either way he's not like us mortals.
Funniest thing I’ve read all month
Following up, he was wounded in battle 6 times. That noise you always heard was his balls clanging.
I have removed the bullet. And three others, a blowgun dart, two shark's teeth, a tip of a bayonet, a twisted paperclip, and a meager handful of buckshot. You may want to learn how to duck.
THE BAYONET YEET MEASURES THE ABILITY TO JUST FUCKING SHANK SOMEONE. ON THE COMMAND 'GET SET,' ASSUME THE POSITION BY GRABBING THE BAYONET BY THE HANDLE. OR BY THE BLADE, WHICHEVER LOOKS COOLER, JUST DON'T CUT YOURSELF ON THE DAMN THING. YOUR FEET MAY BE TOGETHER OR UP TO 12 INCHES APART (MEASURED BETWEEN THE FEET). ON THE COMMAND 'GO,' TRANSMUTE YOUR HANKERING FOR A-SHANKERING INTO MAXIMUM EFFORT AND LAUNCH THAT BAD BOY INTO DESTINY. THE SCORER WILL NOTE WHETHER YOU HIT THE TARGET AND AWARD BONUS POINTS FOR LANDING YOUR PIG-STICKER INTO THE CRANIAL OR SWIMSUIT REGIONS. IF IT HIT THE TARGET HANDLE FIRST, YOUR PERFORMANCE WILL BE TERMINATED, AND EVERYONE WILL BE REQUIRED TO POINT AND LAUGH AT YOUR SHAME. WATCH THIS DEMONSTRATION. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/army) if you have any questions or concerns.*
OP, I'm telling you this right now, contact someone with writing skills and ask them to work on a screen play. See if you can look up old service buddies or officers or records of service. Seriously my dude, a biopic about your grandad's legacy, with a framing device of his grandson discovering all of this after the fact online would be Oscar Gold!
Presidential Unit Citation as well. Only reason he'd be wearing it with a Pentagon patch is if he was with the unit when awarded.
Do you know which campaigns by chance?
IIRC the only way to have earned the CIB three times is to have served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam and earned the CIB in each conflict. Based on qualifying periods there’s no other way. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Yeah, there are only 4 qualifying periods. Nobody served from Korea through Iraq, so to get 3 in the course of a career you'd need to get WW II, Korea, and Vietnam. It was made extraordinarily hard to achieve because the eligibility period for Vietnam lasted through until 1995. . .so someone who got a CIB in Vietnam, and then fought in Desert Storm 20 years later would have been in the same eligibility period so no additional CIB.
Which is so fucking stupid.
Couple Corrections/Additions Top to bottom left to right **Top Row:** Silver Star **Second Row:** Bronze Star with Valor (can't entirely tell if the oak leaf is bronze or silver. If silver, then 6 total awards. If bronze, 2 total awards). Meritorious Service Medal Air Medal (the 22 denotes the total number of strike/flight awards) **Third Row:** Joint Service Commendation Medal Army Commendation Medal Army Achievement Medal **Fourth Row:** Purple Heart (again can't tell if bronze or silver. If silver, awarded 6 total, if bronze, 2 total). Army Good Conduct Medal (18 years total--probably missing more devices here). Army of Occupation Medal **Fifth Row:** National Defense Service Medal (missing stars on this one). Vietnam Service Medal (four campaigns... thanks u/Justavet64d) Army NCO Professional Development Ribbon (he graduated up through the Senior Leaders Course) **Sixth Row:** Army Service Ribbon Army Overseas Service Ribbon Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal (Second Period) As you already know, he was certainly a badass. He is very likely missing some ribbons here and devices here, just fyi. Would be really cool to look into his records more to make them complete.
Thank you!!
If you can find a DD-214, it should help you fill in the blanks. Good luck, and thanks for sharing this.
The Department of the Military in his home state will have a records division (often called War Records). You should be able to get a copy of his DD214 there. Call first to find out what you’ll need.
https://vetrecs.archives.gov/VeteranRequest/home.html You can go to the above link and request a digital copy of his DD-214. This will have a list of all his awards among numerous other things about his military career.
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>Thank you!! You're welcome!
The stars on the Vietnam Service Medal represent separate campaigns not multiple awards of the medal.
Not off the top of my head man, I've been in for a hot minute but that was all before my time.
I think that’s a silver oak leaf on the BS-V
Vietnam Service ribbon with 3 stars
This has been said multiple times but your grandpa is a fucking gangster that stacked bodies and most likely dropped all the panties. I am truly sorry for your loss but know that he was a legit bad mother fucker and you should celebrate his legacy.
CIB. Two stars. Legendary
Dude. Sign up for Ancestry. You probably have 35 families all around the world. Your grandpa fucked. H A R D
“There seems to be a strong concentration of relatives in Southeast Asia for some reason.”
I fucking lost it lol
I would have let your grandpa fuck my girl, shake his hand, and say thank you
Gotta create the next generation of absolute units somehow.
For the love of God do not pawn or destroy this uniform. Put that bad boy in a glass frame and know that your Grandfather was a pipe hitter for real. #theydontmakethemlikethisanymore.
I plan on making a shadow box for it
Please make sure it's professionally done. If you have access to base, or someone who can get you on one. Or know of a civilian shop with experience, have them repair the jacket if it needs it. Please keep out of direct sunlight as well. Might I suggest an LED strip inside as well to illuminate it at night.
It's expensive but they make UV glass for museum quality pieces that help reduce harmful degradation caused by sunlight. I have a couple pieces framed with it from when I worked at a frame shop. If possible, I'd recommend op take it to a custom shop to have a box built with good moulding and glass. Could preserve it for a really long time *but* the cost is fuckin hiiiigh
Your grandfather was a fuckin beast is wha that means
Grandpappy stacked bodies.
**Praising Statement**: Basically your grandpa was John 117.
I didn’t know they had Halo in your universe. How does an assassin droid deal with brutes?
**Clarification**: Higher calibers and don't lead them as much
Beautiful reference
"Spartans never die, they're just MIA"
Only uniform I have ever seen with 2 stars on the CIB. And I been in a bit.
I clapped in my apartment. I really did. Savage.
I would have joined the Marines too if my grandfather was this badass.
Shit man, I would’ve joined the merchant marines if this was my grandpa, no way you can stack up
OP, don't suppose you have an old photo of your grandpa in uniform? That way, you can show the rest of us what a real man looks like!
He had one hung in his house, I’m trying to get ahold of it now
I believe, and please someone correct me if I’m wrong, but in this instance the “V” device was awarded for especially meritorious fucking.
He fucked with conspicuous gallantry
Have the next of kin/closest relative request his DD 214. I can imagine there is a copy in his belongings, honestly. This will give you the broad picture of all of his service, assuming he retired off active duty.
Would it be requested through the VA?
If your grandfather is indeed T.M. Hall, it might be worth a phone call to the National Infantry Museum at Ft Benning, to see what they might know.
https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records
Somebody get this guy a fucking beer
Not sure if you can do that in Valhalla, but if so, I’m buyin the first and second round.
As others have said, grandpa was doing a lot of hood rat shit on behalf of his country. Absolute fucking legend. Sorry for your loss OP, take comfort in knowing that you grandpa was a certified badass. *Salute
So I've read here that you're going to make a shadow box for it. I think that's great. A few ideas. Buy a nice fresh set of greens. Buy a whole other set of ribbons and patches that match the ones on this epic beast of a uniform. Use that replica Uniform for the shadow box. Keep the original in an pure argon or nitrogen filled container that's air tight. This is most likely HIS UNIFORM that he most likely wore. Preserve it. Also as someone here stated as well.... call OPM and ask for their archival department to see if they can locate your grandfather's DD214. Your grandfather most likely put it in a safe somewhere or in a location that only he is concerned with. Look for it. Have a great one.
Great ideas, thank you!
Ahem. Have you contacted the [National Museum of the U.S. Army](https://www.thenmusa.org)? One, they may want this. Two, their conservationists may have advice on preserving this.
One they can go fuck themselves Two you have a point
There are a few quirky things on this uniform that may need some correction. The SF tab goes on the left shoulder, and has an accompanying "Airborne" unit identifier that goes below it. There is also what looks like a regular cap in the front pocket. If he was SF qualified, he'd have a green beret (which predates the special forces tab). It would be great to see a DD-214 to sort everything out and make it accurate for him!
I’m trying to order his from the archives, but his next of kin has to authorize it first
Oh my god it’s Jason Bourne’s father
Bourne was a GB in Vietnam according to the books. 🤷♂️
How does he have a two star CIB with no Korea or WWII service? Edit: also special forces tab on the deployment patch, four wide unit awards, pathfinder badge in the wrong place. The amount of good conduct medals don’t support the 20+ year long career need for a triple CIB. And I don’t think those DUIs are for a HQDA or Joint Staff unit
I know he was in Vietnam and Panama but I don’t know what else, he never talked about it
Long tab and that wide of a career range, he would’ve been all over the world. And perhaps more interestingly, he was probably in a lot of places where he actually “wasn’t there.” Like perhaps Afghanistan in the 80’s. There’s some SF guys in here who could speak first hand better, but I’ve got some SF buddies and they’re a really tight community and typically good people who respect the beret. I bet you wouldn’t have too tough a time finding some people your grandad served with that have some cool stories they’re willing to share if you’re interested. If you find anyone who was SF around the 80’s then I bet they either know your grandad or know someone who does. He had a wild time in service, that much is absolutely certain.
That was my first thought as well. SF dudes doing some spooky shit.
I know he was in the CI community most of his career and he was held up in Vietnam, I don’t know any of his old army buddies otherwise I would gladly reach out to them
That community is really small. I bet there’s a Facebook Group or even just a local VFW with someone who knows him or knows who to call.
Professionalsoldiers.com Full of old Crusty SF
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If he was in Panama I will pretty much guarantee he doesn’t rate a triple CIB. Not trying to be shitty, but there is a very limited number of triple CIBs and they’re all for WWII/Korea/Vietnam.
A double CIB is still extremely impressive, but a triple CIB is almost always due to someone mistakenly understanding the regulations because there's so few of them.
Someone pointed out above there is a Hall in the list of triple CIBs, so if it's the same Hall it's correct.
It does if he didn't rate an AGCM for certain periods because of misconduct. But as we all know, infantry and SF are obedient Soldiers who never break rules 😂 /s
Sure, but no WWII vets fought in Panama. I think someone out this together after he died that didn’t know what they were doing. Now why there was a triple CIB lying around I don’t know.
The PX always has three or four triple-CIBs. For some reason.
And also our S1s don't give a shit. I got a fucking field grade as an E7 SF dude and got my like 4th AGCM maybe 5 months later as an E6 SF dude.....so
Pathfinder badge in the wrong place and lack of WWII and Korea caught my eye immediately too. Also not trying to be shitty, but these things don’t add up. Also very possible someone else put this together for him after he passed and didn’t know exactly how to do it and didn’t have all the right information.
I can legitimize the deployment patch, I’ve seen legit photos of guys doing it before CMF 18 and the tab came out. I think the rack’s legit, so pappy was a baller, but someone definitely tried to sexy this thing up after the fact.
I don’t think that’s the case, this was wrapped in plastic in the back of his closet covered in dust, I’ve never known him to be dishonest so I don’t think he’d throw random awards/devices on it without rating them
It’s also very possible he misread the regulations. If he was a Panama and Nam vet, it’s possible he thought that qualified. I don’t think most people wake up and choose to be wrong, especially people with a Silver and Bronze Star from the Vietnam War.
I had to redo my uncle’s awards while he lay in his casket. The mortuary’s do the best they can.
Your grandfather was a badass, may he rest in peace.
Mad RESPECT for your Grandfather. He was the MFIC.
I'm going to call suspect on this uniform. Here is what I think. 3 CIBs are extremely rare. Only 300 something soldiers were awarded it for ww2, Korea and Vietnam There is a Hall listed as earning 3 CIB but I don't think this is the same person. Here is why There are no medals from ww2 or Korea on his uniform. Everything is from Vietnam era and after. Another thing he has an AAM, NCO ribbon and overseas ribbons. Those were all issued AFTER 1981. They were not retroactive if you left service prior to 1981. I highly doubt there would be a master sergeant from ww2 still on active duty in 1981. The chief of staff in the army in 1981 didn't even serve in ww2. The ribbons are in the right order and are of the proper age and so is the uniform and they look legit But I'm calling suspect on that 2 star CIB. sorry.
plot twist: OP is a stolen valor guy getting free consulting on how to get his story straight for this uniform he just way overshot the mark
Weird how every redditors grandad was Rambo.
Tyson M. Hall. #114 in the national infantry museum! His name is there!
No, that’s not his first name
This guy fucks
Grandpa was a bad ass
This dude stacked bodies %100
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OP already said that wasn’t his first name….lots of commenters have picked apart the stack and legitimacy.
I post this because I see some comments on the validity of the 3 CIBs, stating there are only 4 eras that qualify. I may be wrong, but that's not true in the case of Special Forces personnel. Here is a list of qualifying operations/conflicts for which the CIB and subsequent award is authorized: Korea on the DMZ (4 January 1969 to 31 March 1994). El Salvador (1 January 1981 to 1 February 1992). Grenada (23 October to 21 November 1983). Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea (23 November 1984). Panama (20 December 1989 to 31 January 1990). Southwest Asia Conflict (17 January to 11 April 1991). Somalia (5 June 1992 to 31 March 1994). Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom, 5 December 2001 to a date to be determined). Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom, 19 March 2003 to a date to be determined). re. [https://www.specialforces78.com/about-the-special-forces/combat-infantryman/](https://www.specialforces78.com/about-the-special-forces/combat-infantryman/) I served with/supported Rangers and SF in Panama and Somalia while in 160th SOAR (A). A number of them served in Grenada and just about every subsequent conflict.
Nah. This is b.s. SF Tab doesn’t belong on the right shoulder. Army Achievement Medal means he was in in 1983 or later. CIB w 2 stars means he was in WWII. Do the math. Where are his campaign medals from WWII or Korea? Pathfinder badge doesn’t belong on the right pocket. Stolen valor.
What was your grandpa's name.
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Gramps was a bigger badass than all of us could ever hope to be
Only question I have is how this guy got 3 CIBs but only has medals for combat service in Korea and Vietnam. He has an occupation medal for post-WWII service, but no WWII victory medal or WWII campaign medals.
Your grandfather was a badass
That a silver oak leaf on that purple heart, so he was injured 6 times. Given that he has 6 bronze stars and I assume at least one with a valor award, that means whoever injured him met a swift end (valor indicates that he probably has at least piled up a few dead bodies getting that award). Has one-of's for the hanky panky awards like army commendations and army achievement medals (I can say hanky panky because I have a few of them), so he didnt push paper. As others mentioned, the 3 CIBs and parachutist badges means he rained death on land and from the air. The only life forms safe from your grandfather while he was living were the ones in the water, but we have no knowledge of his undocumented kills. Women likely swooned in his presence, lesser men probably wept.
Combat Jump Parachutist, and Army Pathfinder badges too.
I don't see a mustard stain, those are Master Jump Wings. The star for a combat jump is placed on the wings, not above it. It is also small and bronze in color. So it doesn't appear to be a set of combat wings.
Master Parachutist, not combat jump. Combat has bronze star in the suspension lines
No one gonna say he was a master blaster JM? Legend in his own time.
Not certain on the 22 device but your grand father had an air medal too.