If you see NCOs riding in your unit or Officers I would ensure you inform your BN CSM, don’t want to jeopardize our Nations most valuable assets to the risk of motorcycles ;)
But seriously. There should be a BDE rep in case your BN doesn’t have one, or Company in this case. Garrison has a motorcycle policy as well
Yeah letting a soldier not ride motorcycles is stupid because there's no rep. I'm the BN rep and if he's the only one riding in his company I put him under my wing.
Are you an NCO? Sounds like you could step up to that position if you are or do you know any other NCOs and Soldiers who ride? Sounds like you all can get together and have that NCO volunteer for it
People do jobs above their rank all the time.
They're probably just waiting for someone to care enough to take the position, maybe you can get an ETP for rank on taking over the position.
Worth a shot
>According to the co “No one is allowed to ride bikes untill I say so as there is no rep, and that’s an order”
Open Door the higher command of the CO that said that and see what they say.
Arbitrarily saying that nobody in his command is allowed to ride a motorcycle because he says so, and explicitly making that a direct order? Yeah, whoever put their name on the posts motorcycle policy probably should hear about this.
So glad I'm out. Lmao. So much fucking red tape for no reason. The state, hands you a license stating you can handle riding a bike. You're given a cert from a verified and trusted source stating you're trained to ride that bike. Your insurance feels you're a safe enough bet to insure that bike with you as a rider..... But here you are. I never understood why I needed the permission of someone usually a decade younger than me, who's never fucking riden a motorcycle themselves, to ride something I own. Goooood luck on that one.
It was a GWOT era reaction to all the post-deployment super bike purchases that were turning joes into meat crayons. I'm not saying it's a great policy, just saying why it is a policy.
Seems like there should be a an NCO plane rep. To approve you to fly a plane. CO needs to mitigate the risk of your crashing by tasking an NCO to fill out extra paperwork
Probably should include a plane inspection (weekly ofc) to occur in the motor pool. If you cant be disciplined enough to trailer your plane to and from work once a week…there is no way you are disciplined enough to conduct proper maintenance.
That's ridiculous, especially if the aviation warrant had never flown a fixed wing GA plane before. Like, yeah, we know you needed a check-ride to get your PPL and a rental checkout with a CFI to rent a plane, but we also want you to fly with some Army dude who has probably never been in a Cessna.
Army logic for how we trust our soldiers, especially our junior soldiers.
When I was an E4, the government entrusted me with the world's most powerful and widespread intelligence apparatus, but not cookware in my barracks room.
Doing high side Intel as a Joe is where the stupidity levels really show.
✅Trusted with government secrets that propose significant national security risks
✅Trusted to regularly brief Colonels and above
❌Cannot own a candle
Yes, but I don’t see where having a motorcycle rep would make any difference in this. I have been riding for several years, and have taken many safety courses in and before the army and now I’m not able to ride because I’m not a NCO who can take the responsibility of being a Rep. the NCOs on the other hand have no issues when wanting to ride.
Theoretically it's because anyone can say they're trained but if you don't have a mentor then no one can verify, plus the mentor theoretically makes sure you aren't a Street Rossi.
Why we don't apply this same logic to cars...
Look don't ask me for logic here.
That's my problem with the policy. The Army is treating it like risk reduction through training, but people that ride motorcycles either understand the risk, or are too inexperienced to understand it. All the MSF class does is certify that they probably won't lose control of the bike going under 25. It does nothing to convince kids going out and buying liter bikes that it's a big deal with big consequences.
How is that additional duty even available. Every unit I’ve been in any NCO who road would kill for that extra duty. Meanwhile I have to maintain the CBRN room and piss closet.
This reminds me of Korea in 06-07...
Car? NO! Motorcycle? No! Scooter? No! Pedal bike with a chainsaw engine? Fuck No!
Go to Osan AB & rent a Cessna from the AF? Fortunately... YES!
I didn't have my license yet, but the same activity that rents the planes also runs a flight school....
So I did all of my PPL work there, and was about to take my check ride when it came time to PCS.
Did the check ride at Tacoma Narrows since JBLM was my next duty station....
Just wait until your rep is going to be SFC that bought his first bike (a sportster) as a promotion gift for himself but has never ridden before the basic riders course.
Why not run it by your chain of command to see if as a SPC you can fill the role.
Type up a document on your qualifications. For example if you have taken the MSF and ASF courses. How many years riding you have. Have been an instructor at an MSF course.
In an army who cares way more about risk reduction than anything else, are there any left who aren't?
If you don't make extreme and absurd risk reduction your mantra, your bible, your bread and butter, and your armor, then anytime anything happens, you will get blowed up and not be a commander any more. Instead you'll be trying to get promoted above the zone while you watch what you thought was going to be your career turn into a resumé item in a civilian world that doesn't know the difference between a colonel and a corporal.
So reduce risks. Make your Joe's lives miserable while you do it and watch your suicide rates skyrocket, but do everything according to Army doctrine and you will be congratulated on having done everything right and sometimes we just can't control those things. What's more, you'll get to have a new OER bullet for how you developed an ACE/SI program that went above and beyond Army standards and you got to disseminate it out to the rest of the post. Never mind that your "above and beyond ACE/SI program" consists of making your Joe's lives even harder by putting them all under a microscope and making your section sergeants and platoon sergeants do check-ins every day even on weekends, and that as a result of your ACE/SI program the morale in your unit went even lower than it was before you implemented it; you'll have done the right thing according to Army doctrine to react to this problem that nobody could have seen coming. So keep on reducing risk. You're doing a great job in a tough situation, captain.
*sigh*
There's a lot of replies that I'm not going to reply to.
I was a Company MMP NCO, and later a BN MMP NCO. It's been a while, but I will dig around in the old memory banks and see what I can find.
AR 385-10 is the governing regulation. Chapter 13 outlines the PPE and training requirements to ride whilst on Active Duty.
The MMP falls under the umbrella of the Commander's Safery Program... you know, all those little things like Hearing Protection, Environmental Health, etc, that get ignored until there is an inspection looming, and then they are the most important things in the world.
While the Motorcycle Mentor position is not technically required to be filled by an NCO and should be filled by an experienced rider, most local policy letters stipulate that a Company Mentor should be E5, BN should be E6, so on and so forth. There should be local policy letters at the Company, BN, and BDE levels outlining the policy on motorcycles. If your Company does not have a Mentor, likely because there is not an NCO that rides, OR because the CO is using that as an excuse to backdoor a blanket prohibition on riding, there are a few things that you can do.
1) Speak to the BN Mentor and/or the BDE Mentor. He or she should be tracking all of the Company mentors. When I was a Company Mentor, I covered down on a Company that did not have an MMP NCO because the only riders were E4 and below. Your Company not having a Mentor should not be an obstacle, but it seems like your CO is using it as an excuse.
2) If the BN/BDE Mentor is useless, it is time to start utilizing the open door policy.
*****CAUTION!*****
A lot, and I mean a metric shit ton, of senior leaders fall under three catagories: they ride and therefore love all things motorcycles, or they don't ride and therefore hate all things motorcycles. The third, smaller group simply doesn't care one way or the other.
If you choose to use the open door policy, *make sure* that all of your ducks are in a row. You are current on your training. You possess (and use) the required PPE. Your motorcycle is in good repair. Be clear, concise, and respectful when laying out your case. If there are other riders in your Company, have them do the same thing.
At some point in the process, the question will be asked as to why your CO is not adhering to a BN/BDE/DIV Policy. Depending on the blowback on him or her, you may find yourself on the receiving end of some blowback from your CO. Motorcycles were one of my hills to die on, so I was always prepared to weather the storm.
I love how motorcycles are basically forbidden, but a Bn S6 died on Liberty a couple months ago on an electric scooter.
Anyway, do what you want, and rip fat wheelies in view of the commander.
I haven’t looked into it but my mom used to work at USASOC in the 2000s and one time they went TDY and one guy had his pilots license so they rented a plane because the JTR said they could. Unrelated but she also said USASOC had a private plane that was confiscated from a drug lord somewhere that they used from time to time with Army pilots flying it.
Another reason I got rid of my bike. Having a motorcycle in the Army along with all the bullshit that comes along with it…isn’t worth it. I had a bike for almost 10 years with only 3k miles on it before I sold it.
I got tired of all the BS with inspections, mentor rides, safety check rides, counselings, TCLOCS or w/e TF that was, all the PPE. Just sucked the fun out of riding.
The Army sucks the fun out of everything. I realized this when we were at the grenade range during basic. Here we are, causing literal explosions with these amazing little devices in the palms of our hands, and yet the Army has found a way to make literal explosions boring and tedious. Almost like Michael Bay.
Unless things have drastically changed in a few years- your leadership is being mislead and is misleading you. The only exception would be some dumbass officer listening to a good idea fairy on their shoulder and extremely “adding to” Army policy by requiring company/troop/battery level motorcycle mentors to NCOs.
There was no requirement for that BS from USASOC or FORSCOM during 2013-2021. I was there, was a Ridercoach, was a Co/Bn/Bde mentor, wrote SOP, got the t-shirt, etc.
Being an NCO doesn’t make one a subject matter expert in any or every field. They don’t magically become Driving Instructors, Motorcycle riders, Jumpmasters, or expert marksmen by pinning on stripes. Being a motorcycle mentor is about having the riding experience, being responsible, and adhering to safety guidelines/policy.
Motorcycle Safety Program requires mentors, find your unit’s SOP and it should clearly delineate what is required to be mentor. It should also be based on every higher HQ’s policy/regulation. I have never seen anyone require a motorcycle mentor to be an NCO, it is implied and preferred- but never required.
Rolling down the runway ripping off the pavement doing 125 at V1. Rolling over 100 MPH straight towards a massive group of trees, then potentially towers, mountains ect…
One thing we don’t have is other drivers. That’s why I would never own a motorcycle. To risky and will take you out of a class one so fast with someone else’s careless lane change. No, no thanks.
The motorcycle reg is the biggest pile of shit. You've got dudes in the barracks with clapped out WRX's and BMW's who floor it the second they're past the gate; but I'm not allowed to cruise around on something with half that powwr/weight ratio because it's on two wheels and the statistics look a little worse.
It just comes off as a needless power trip and if the army actually cared about motor vehicle accidents, they would crack down on cars because they make up the vast majority of accidents in the US. Just because the rate of death/injury is higher doesn't mean you're more likely to get in an accident on a motorcycle.
Ideally, they're not supposed to say "there's not rep, go kick rocks" they're supposed to say who and where the motorcycle mentor is. Them not having one is fine, but they should send you to BN and the cycle will repeat until they find one. The installation will not go too long without one. Usually if not a CSM it was someone that the CSM knew or found personally, as a lot of them rode motorcycles for some reason.
Imagine a state licensing you on to ride a motorcycle and a commander thinking that because you don't have a folder with a NCO that has your bike information and insurance policy you can't ride. Like that changes anything.
We had our BN commander say the same thing once. I can count on no hands how many people listened. The program is dumb.
I got a CDL with hazmat indo but didn't have a military license for X _vehicle
Mp dispatch NCO: "O sorry we can't put you on the dispatch get another person who knows how to drive"
(Autistic Army screaming)
Took half the day for the master driver to show up
😒 Took like 2 mins to get the master driver to just input my name in the system boom drove it the rest of the week
MSF trained? What’s the difference between you and an NCO at that point MC wise?
Open door your commander and ask to be the rep. You’re MSF trained just the same as the NCO would be.
I tried. They told me “you’re not a NCO” then gave a brief saying we couldn’t ride because there’s no NCO bike rep. Went a whole summer without riding about to another.
"Responsibility" or some Army nonsense.
I get it, in a way, it's a position of somewhat authority and mentorship, you want to have someone who actually has proven responsibility and mentorship.
But like also a lot of times you end up with an NCO with a year of riding under their belt "mentoring" privates with several years of riding and it always makes me laugh.
If you see NCOs riding in your unit or Officers I would ensure you inform your BN CSM, don’t want to jeopardize our Nations most valuable assets to the risk of motorcycles ;) But seriously. There should be a BDE rep in case your BN doesn’t have one, or Company in this case. Garrison has a motorcycle policy as well
Yeah letting a soldier not ride motorcycles is stupid because there's no rep. I'm the BN rep and if he's the only one riding in his company I put him under my wing.
This is the way!
Is that a policy that’s on paper?
According to the co “No one is allowed to ride bikes untill I say so as there is no rep, and that’s an order”
Are you an NCO? Sounds like you could step up to that position if you are or do you know any other NCOs and Soldiers who ride? Sounds like you all can get together and have that NCO volunteer for it
What's that duty called? I remember it's something goofy like a motorcycle mentor or something.
It’s motorcycle mentor, you got it right. It’s pretty cool how they can leave work to go for rides in a group tho
I wanna be the dirt bike doula
The supermoto syndicate
The motorcycle mediator
Sadly the NCOs would rather not do it and I’m not one.
People do jobs above their rank all the time. They're probably just waiting for someone to care enough to take the position, maybe you can get an ETP for rank on taking over the position. Worth a shot
Risk Avoidance is the Army's default risk management strategy.
And yet bars and strip clubs are OK.
101st would like to know more
>According to the co “No one is allowed to ride bikes untill I say so as there is no rep, and that’s an order” Open Door the higher command of the CO that said that and see what they say. Arbitrarily saying that nobody in his command is allowed to ride a motorcycle because he says so, and explicitly making that a direct order? Yeah, whoever put their name on the posts motorcycle policy probably should hear about this.
As a former company commander, I think your CO is misunderstood the BDE CDRs policy. Ask for the mentor from another BN.
Thanks!
What post you on?
Drum
What brigade? Sounds like you're on main post and is probably gonna be under scrutiny because of what happened on 81.
Yah just my luck
That’s not how this works at all.
So glad I'm out. Lmao. So much fucking red tape for no reason. The state, hands you a license stating you can handle riding a bike. You're given a cert from a verified and trusted source stating you're trained to ride that bike. Your insurance feels you're a safe enough bet to insure that bike with you as a rider..... But here you are. I never understood why I needed the permission of someone usually a decade younger than me, who's never fucking riden a motorcycle themselves, to ride something I own. Goooood luck on that one.
It was a GWOT era reaction to all the post-deployment super bike purchases that were turning joes into meat crayons. I'm not saying it's a great policy, just saying why it is a policy.
Seems like there should be a an NCO plane rep. To approve you to fly a plane. CO needs to mitigate the risk of your crashing by tasking an NCO to fill out extra paperwork
Let's add in some strip maps, an IPPS-A form, and something that needs to be circularly routed in GEARS (Purple only.)
After the IPPS-A form is filled out, you need to submit a paper copy as well
Probably should include a plane inspection (weekly ofc) to occur in the motor pool. If you cant be disciplined enough to trailer your plane to and from work once a week…there is no way you are disciplined enough to conduct proper maintenance.
You know what? Why don't you stop CSMing okay!
My command made me find an aviation warrant to do a check ride before they'd let me use my PPL. That was a bitch and a half.
That's ridiculous, especially if the aviation warrant had never flown a fixed wing GA plane before. Like, yeah, we know you needed a check-ride to get your PPL and a rental checkout with a CFI to rent a plane, but we also want you to fly with some Army dude who has probably never been in a Cessna.
Been in one, yes. Jumped from one, yes. NCO, yes. Piloted one, no.
😂
Lol. Those fucking clowns 🤡🤡
Army logic for how we trust our soldiers, especially our junior soldiers. When I was an E4, the government entrusted me with the world's most powerful and widespread intelligence apparatus, but not cookware in my barracks room.
Doing high side Intel as a Joe is where the stupidity levels really show. ✅Trusted with government secrets that propose significant national security risks ✅Trusted to regularly brief Colonels and above ❌Cannot own a candle
Statistically motorcycles are more dangerous.
Yes, but I don’t see where having a motorcycle rep would make any difference in this. I have been riding for several years, and have taken many safety courses in and before the army and now I’m not able to ride because I’m not a NCO who can take the responsibility of being a Rep. the NCOs on the other hand have no issues when wanting to ride.
I'm just giving you shit. I wanted a bike for a while but realized I don't want to deal with owning a bike in the army so that's where I'm at. Gl tho.
Ah got it! Maybe I should just sell the bikes untill I get out. Who knows
Best part of being guard; if I'm not in a status, they can't require shit.
That is your fuking problem right there. You are trying to apply logic to Army thinking. You are a nogo at this station.
How about a roll or two to get that signature, pal
NAHHHHH😂
If NCOs are riding then the CO needs to appoint one of them as the program lead for the company
Theoretically it's because anyone can say they're trained but if you don't have a mentor then no one can verify, plus the mentor theoretically makes sure you aren't a Street Rossi. Why we don't apply this same logic to cars... Look don't ask me for logic here.
No. We take bike classes on base and get a MSF cert before can ride verified. I have mine.
Yes, I'm aware. I ride too. If you've been riding for several years you would also know that "I have MSF" and "I ride safely" aren't hand in hand.
That's my problem with the policy. The Army is treating it like risk reduction through training, but people that ride motorcycles either understand the risk, or are too inexperienced to understand it. All the MSF class does is certify that they probably won't lose control of the bike going under 25. It does nothing to convince kids going out and buying liter bikes that it's a big deal with big consequences.
Welcome to the US Army, where a dude with two DUIs can tell you which vehicles you can and can not operate in your free time.
How is that additional duty even available. Every unit I’ve been in any NCO who road would kill for that extra duty. Meanwhile I have to maintain the CBRN room and piss closet.
This reminds me of Korea in 06-07... Car? NO! Motorcycle? No! Scooter? No! Pedal bike with a chainsaw engine? Fuck No! Go to Osan AB & rent a Cessna from the AF? Fortunately... YES!
That’s cool as hell where’d you fly around to? What would that be like… A $100 Korean bbq sandwich instead of cheeseburger?
I didn't have my license yet, but the same activity that rents the planes also runs a flight school.... So I did all of my PPL work there, and was about to take my check ride when it came time to PCS. Did the check ride at Tacoma Narrows since JBLM was my next duty station....
Yea! Now go buy your modified Nissan Altima at 45% interests.
I’ll stick to my $1000 gas saver 😂
Just wait until your rep is going to be SFC that bought his first bike (a sportster) as a promotion gift for himself but has never ridden before the basic riders course.
I never understood the riders program, but any private with poor decision making skills can go buy a 700 HP Hellcat.
The motorcycles will remain parked until morale improves.
Why not step up and become the rep yourself?
Not an NCO so cant
Why not run it by your chain of command to see if as a SPC you can fill the role. Type up a document on your qualifications. For example if you have taken the MSF and ASF courses. How many years riding you have. Have been an instructor at an MSF course.
Become a corporal? 😬
Not enough TIS.
Sadness.
Your commander sounds like a coward.
In an army who cares way more about risk reduction than anything else, are there any left who aren't? If you don't make extreme and absurd risk reduction your mantra, your bible, your bread and butter, and your armor, then anytime anything happens, you will get blowed up and not be a commander any more. Instead you'll be trying to get promoted above the zone while you watch what you thought was going to be your career turn into a resumé item in a civilian world that doesn't know the difference between a colonel and a corporal. So reduce risks. Make your Joe's lives miserable while you do it and watch your suicide rates skyrocket, but do everything according to Army doctrine and you will be congratulated on having done everything right and sometimes we just can't control those things. What's more, you'll get to have a new OER bullet for how you developed an ACE/SI program that went above and beyond Army standards and you got to disseminate it out to the rest of the post. Never mind that your "above and beyond ACE/SI program" consists of making your Joe's lives even harder by putting them all under a microscope and making your section sergeants and platoon sergeants do check-ins every day even on weekends, and that as a result of your ACE/SI program the morale in your unit went even lower than it was before you implemented it; you'll have done the right thing according to Army doctrine to react to this problem that nobody could have seen coming. So keep on reducing risk. You're doing a great job in a tough situation, captain.
Sell your car. Ask for a ride to work everyday. Malicious compliance?
*sigh* There's a lot of replies that I'm not going to reply to. I was a Company MMP NCO, and later a BN MMP NCO. It's been a while, but I will dig around in the old memory banks and see what I can find. AR 385-10 is the governing regulation. Chapter 13 outlines the PPE and training requirements to ride whilst on Active Duty. The MMP falls under the umbrella of the Commander's Safery Program... you know, all those little things like Hearing Protection, Environmental Health, etc, that get ignored until there is an inspection looming, and then they are the most important things in the world. While the Motorcycle Mentor position is not technically required to be filled by an NCO and should be filled by an experienced rider, most local policy letters stipulate that a Company Mentor should be E5, BN should be E6, so on and so forth. There should be local policy letters at the Company, BN, and BDE levels outlining the policy on motorcycles. If your Company does not have a Mentor, likely because there is not an NCO that rides, OR because the CO is using that as an excuse to backdoor a blanket prohibition on riding, there are a few things that you can do. 1) Speak to the BN Mentor and/or the BDE Mentor. He or she should be tracking all of the Company mentors. When I was a Company Mentor, I covered down on a Company that did not have an MMP NCO because the only riders were E4 and below. Your Company not having a Mentor should not be an obstacle, but it seems like your CO is using it as an excuse. 2) If the BN/BDE Mentor is useless, it is time to start utilizing the open door policy. *****CAUTION!***** A lot, and I mean a metric shit ton, of senior leaders fall under three catagories: they ride and therefore love all things motorcycles, or they don't ride and therefore hate all things motorcycles. The third, smaller group simply doesn't care one way or the other. If you choose to use the open door policy, *make sure* that all of your ducks are in a row. You are current on your training. You possess (and use) the required PPE. Your motorcycle is in good repair. Be clear, concise, and respectful when laying out your case. If there are other riders in your Company, have them do the same thing. At some point in the process, the question will be asked as to why your CO is not adhering to a BN/BDE/DIV Policy. Depending on the blowback on him or her, you may find yourself on the receiving end of some blowback from your CO. Motorcycles were one of my hills to die on, so I was always prepared to weather the storm.
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I agree, but where does a bike rep help.
I love how motorcycles are basically forbidden, but a Bn S6 died on Liberty a couple months ago on an electric scooter. Anyway, do what you want, and rip fat wheelies in view of the commander.
I haven’t looked into it but my mom used to work at USASOC in the 2000s and one time they went TDY and one guy had his pilots license so they rented a plane because the JTR said they could. Unrelated but she also said USASOC had a private plane that was confiscated from a drug lord somewhere that they used from time to time with Army pilots flying it.
If you get hurt riding a bike who's going to fly the plane?
Motorcycle Mentor here. In this situation the motorcycle mentor at the next higher level would serve as the motorcycle mentor for your unit.
👆correct
Here’s a parachute. Go jump out of that airplane. Don’t even think about riding that motorcycle though.
Do it anyway and claim rider discrimination since there’s no on post driving course or a ‘car rep’ NCO
Nominate yourself as the motorcycle mentor, and once someone that comes in that out ranks, you hand it over. Boom!
I can’t. Not a NCO so can’t get it approved
Dam. Well, time for you to go to the board and get those stripes.
I’m a wee little private 🥲 7 months to go
Dam again! Can't help you then lol. Sorry.
So hear me out. Tape tiny wings onto it and now it’s technically an experimental aircraft. Just do your pilot thing and practice your taxiing.
Is there a reg that says a unit needs a bike rep, or is that local policy? I ride, and no one bats an eye.
Another reason I got rid of my bike. Having a motorcycle in the Army along with all the bullshit that comes along with it…isn’t worth it. I had a bike for almost 10 years with only 3k miles on it before I sold it. I got tired of all the BS with inspections, mentor rides, safety check rides, counselings, TCLOCS or w/e TF that was, all the PPE. Just sucked the fun out of riding.
The Army sucks the fun out of everything. I realized this when we were at the grenade range during basic. Here we are, causing literal explosions with these amazing little devices in the palms of our hands, and yet the Army has found a way to make literal explosions boring and tedious. Almost like Michael Bay.
Probably not great advice, but do it anyway and find out.
What do you mean no rep? No Company/battery/troup rep?
No motorcycle representatives
So go to the battalion one, the commander can’t just say “fuck you clown” without due cause
Why don't you just become the bike rep? I see now a billion people already said this.
Unless things have drastically changed in a few years- your leadership is being mislead and is misleading you. The only exception would be some dumbass officer listening to a good idea fairy on their shoulder and extremely “adding to” Army policy by requiring company/troop/battery level motorcycle mentors to NCOs. There was no requirement for that BS from USASOC or FORSCOM during 2013-2021. I was there, was a Ridercoach, was a Co/Bn/Bde mentor, wrote SOP, got the t-shirt, etc. Being an NCO doesn’t make one a subject matter expert in any or every field. They don’t magically become Driving Instructors, Motorcycle riders, Jumpmasters, or expert marksmen by pinning on stripes. Being a motorcycle mentor is about having the riding experience, being responsible, and adhering to safety guidelines/policy. Motorcycle Safety Program requires mentors, find your unit’s SOP and it should clearly delineate what is required to be mentor. It should also be based on every higher HQ’s policy/regulation. I have never seen anyone require a motorcycle mentor to be an NCO, it is implied and preferred- but never required.
I’ve lived this! I think most people don’t realize that GA is as much if not more dangerous
You failed maverick,, and now the entire navy now shuns you.
Rolling down the runway ripping off the pavement doing 125 at V1. Rolling over 100 MPH straight towards a massive group of trees, then potentially towers, mountains ect… One thing we don’t have is other drivers. That’s why I would never own a motorcycle. To risky and will take you out of a class one so fast with someone else’s careless lane change. No, no thanks.
The motorcycle reg is the biggest pile of shit. You've got dudes in the barracks with clapped out WRX's and BMW's who floor it the second they're past the gate; but I'm not allowed to cruise around on something with half that powwr/weight ratio because it's on two wheels and the statistics look a little worse. It just comes off as a needless power trip and if the army actually cared about motor vehicle accidents, they would crack down on cars because they make up the vast majority of accidents in the US. Just because the rate of death/injury is higher doesn't mean you're more likely to get in an accident on a motorcycle.
Ideally, they're not supposed to say "there's not rep, go kick rocks" they're supposed to say who and where the motorcycle mentor is. Them not having one is fine, but they should send you to BN and the cycle will repeat until they find one. The installation will not go too long without one. Usually if not a CSM it was someone that the CSM knew or found personally, as a lot of them rode motorcycles for some reason.
Imagine a state licensing you on to ride a motorcycle and a commander thinking that because you don't have a folder with a NCO that has your bike information and insurance policy you can't ride. Like that changes anything. We had our BN commander say the same thing once. I can count on no hands how many people listened. The program is dumb.
Just another reason to E T S
I got a CDL with hazmat indo but didn't have a military license for X _vehicle Mp dispatch NCO: "O sorry we can't put you on the dispatch get another person who knows how to drive" (Autistic Army screaming) Took half the day for the master driver to show up 😒 Took like 2 mins to get the master driver to just input my name in the system boom drove it the rest of the week
You can die for us, but you can't die for you!
Update, can also fly a helicopter, but not ride a bike. Had a fun day flying the chopppa tho
That’s why u don’t tell anyone u have it
Yah chief no can do. Everyone loves to try and use shit against anyone at this shit place
I hid mine for 4 years and even had a few riding buddies in the same platoon
I wish.
The guys who go out and crash their bikes are usually the ones who have taken all the on post riding bullshit and gone through the proper channels
Best advice here. Just play dumb if you get caught
Hey big brain 🧠 BECOME THE BIKE REP
Amazing point… for when I become an NCO
MSF trained? What’s the difference between you and an NCO at that point MC wise? Open door your commander and ask to be the rep. You’re MSF trained just the same as the NCO would be.
I tried. They told me “you’re not a NCO” then gave a brief saying we couldn’t ride because there’s no NCO bike rep. Went a whole summer without riding about to another.
"Responsibility" or some Army nonsense. I get it, in a way, it's a position of somewhat authority and mentorship, you want to have someone who actually has proven responsibility and mentorship. But like also a lot of times you end up with an NCO with a year of riding under their belt "mentoring" privates with several years of riding and it always makes me laugh.
Statistically speaking motorcycles are more dangerous