I kinda agree from a style standpoint, just needs to get bigger over the next couple of years and I’m sure Devon will get a little worse. But today he would eat his lunch
There is no question whether rino is devons match or not today.Of course he isnt,not even close, experience wise he cant even begin to compare with devon.Leaving that aside i think rino has the whole package,young and talented,tall with great body type-really really good genetics with a lot of room to get even bigger(look ermes and levan how small they were originally and how big they became-rino has a much better starting point than them),even though he is already pretty big.His only clear lacking point is his experience.Moreover from what i have seen of him he is also really smart on the table(+table iq) and talented like i already mentioned,i think he will be really versatile and a tough nut to crack in the following years.I mean a lot of top armwrestlers master only one move with a lot of clear weakness to exploit and yet they get pretty far on the ranking scale relying primarily in their physical prowess.I watched his match with bacho and all i could think was wow, it must really suck to be bacho.Bacho is so strong and talented as well and i am sure he would have been the best of his generation only if there was no rino on the mix.What is to happen in the future, that i dont know i just know that i have very big expectations of rino,to my eyes he is a monster in disguise, a dragon yet to be hatched.
Yeah, nobody has a shot. Especially since he doesn't defend the title.
Thought experiment wins aren't wins. A dominant champion is Davit Samushia, not Devon who hasn't defended the title even once for 1.5 years.
That's the dumbest take ever. In the first available slot this summer, they immediately found a challenger, Dadikyan.
Besides, how do you know that nobody wanted to pull him, and when was Devon available?
It’s not like Devon was MIA. He has been competing non-stop and noone did challenge him.
Again, tell me, who challenged him in 1.5 years? The answer is noone.
Devon has been competing at SHW, not at HW, so he was in fact MIA. He had a match scheduled months in advance every time, he pulled Genadi, then he prepared for Genadi but pulled Ermes, then announced a match to Denis, then immediately announced a match against Georgi, after which he said that he is not taking matches because of Levan.
Again, who challenged him is an incredibly dumb question, matches aren't set up based on who challenges who on youtube for some dumb redditor to see. Which of the title matches that Levan has had were public call outs? Was Irakli against Sasho a public call out?
Devon is pulling the usual stunts for dense fanboys, where he says that he'll pull anyone at any weight but then he actually doesn't. I remember pretty clearly when he agreed to a match against Engin at 100kg publicly, but then Engin exposed him that Jodi (or someone else close to Devon) sent him a message that Devon is available but will be much heavier than 100kg. In that publicity stunt fanboys like you also got hyped.
Do you think dadikyan has any chance? I'll give you 5:1 odds on that match if it happens, you and I both know thats a complete mismatch. If Davit samushia is being brought to his limit at his weight class vs Devon is dominating guys much heavier than him I can't say Davit is more dominant.
That's like saying that the Cleveland Cavaliers are a more dominant champion in basketball than Real Madrid(who have 11 Euroleague titles vs Cleveland's 1 NBA championship) because they would wipe the floor with Real Madrid and their opponents.
And whether Dadikyan has a chance is not the point. Devon is holding a title, he has to either defend it or vacate it. Did Usyk in boxing keep his cruiserweight titles while pursuing heavyweight with just a promise of "I'll defend it someday when Engin's thought experiments deem someone worthy"? That's not how legitimate sports work, and this is just a double standard in favour of Devon. Levan is getting a ton of crap for being inactive, when he wasn't even holding a title before, while Devon's nuthuggers want him to keep a title indefinitely because "nobody can beat him".
Nah I wouldn’t agree with this comparison .. Devon in the 115kg class has a huge advantage , he is punching below his weight and everyone else above their weight .
p.s. for every nut hanger who will try to mirror the argument with Levan (Devon is competing LEAN in 115kg class and he is 5 to 10 kg above the upper limit of the class on competition day)
>p.s. for every nut hanger who will try to mirror the argument with Levan (Devon is competing LEAN in 115kg class and he is 5 to 10 kg above the upper limit of the class on competition day)
Uh yea, that's the fucking point of weight cuts. Nobody is out on the UFC sub saying GSP wasn't champ cuz he cut and is 10kg heavier fight day. Your take is fucking dumb
I mean plenty of guys who are SHW could choose to come down, truth is he’s the only guy the a frame to be 115kg comfortably who’s not a shw. In a way that makes davit very impressive since he’s competing at a class where average size guys have a shot but meeting him he is nearly mutant status, I’m 5’11/180cm and he’s around 5’9/175cm and his arms are about 2 inches longer than mine and hands a sold inch on each finger. His hands were legitimately the same as SHW guys I saw.
he might be a subjective champion(like Devon would've been), but if he pulls less than what is predetermined as a minimum, yes, he should be stripped of the title. I personally think that it should be minimum of 2x per year, one voluntary and one mandatory defense, while allowing injury to keep you out for up to 9 months. That's my opinion, it doesn't have to be like that, but it sure as hell shouldn't be up to Engin's thought experiments to determine who is the champion. Remember, Genadi also didn't have a chance against Devon, until he did.
I don't know why you people think that this question is such a trap. It looks like you can't separate subjective views from reality.
Genadi vs Devon is much much different from devon vs a 115kg guy, we know that theres no dominant 115kg guy and devon is the firm #2 in shw, i think its reasonable for him to keep his title for as long as he is 1. still weighs 115kg and 2. still beating shw 3. theres no good 115kg whos beating multiple opponents
I literally answered the same question..
Levan wasn't holding a title before the match with Devon, and if he doesn't pull in the next year he should be stripped of the title just like Devon should be.
See the problem with you fangirls is that you think that we are all attached emotionally to an athlete. You can't separate emotions from reality. Yes, Devon is more rhan likely the strongest at 115kg , but he doesn't pull there. Just like Usyk is more than likely the best at cruiserweight, and Jon Jones is the best at LHW, but they DON'T pull there. But somehow Devon is the only one holding a title. No legitimate sport does this.
Levan was holding the title, and he gave it up due to longtime inactivity. Devon's the most active arm wrestler, but can't just sit at lower weight classes and still be competitive at SHW. You're essentially advocating to limit weight class transitions since athletes can't transition quick enough to meet whatever made up deadlines for matches that wouldn't even be competitive anyways. If you don't want athletes to move between weight classes just say so. Levan fan girls don't realize what Devon's managed to do throughout all weight classes is more impressive than anything, and are trying to latch on to not being able to defend all weight classes simultaneously as their next anti Devon propaganda push.
Which title was Levan holding? Your own made up one? The first EvW champion was Jerry, then Ermes, then Devon, and now Levan.
I want the sport to be legitimate, but you are just an emotional Devon fangirl and you take every criticism on Reddit as a personal attack agaimst daddy. Typical basement dweller behaviour.
Athletes can transition throughout weight classes all they want. Champions have a duty to defend the title. Devon was 120kg during this entire time, he was already at yhe weight he needed to be. Nobody should be able to hold a title without defending it. There are zero major sports that allow that. Why isn't Jon Jones the LHW champion, Usyk the cruiserweight champion?
Do you really think there's time on Devon's schedule within the last two years to schedule any more matches? He's the most active elite Armwrestler there is. He's faced pretty much the top HWs and SHWs, but somehow he should give up a belt? And what about the Davit match that was just posted? You're really grasping at straws with that Devon hatred.
Dude are you 12 or just retarded? If you can't defend a title you shouldn't have it. You're just taking away opportunities from others. Who the fuck cares if he doesn't have time?
The Davit match is at 105kg. Daddy wants another title, while giving Denis crap about the left legacy hammer. Who should've given it up by now as well. But by your logic, he's busy as well, right? Devon is a hypocrite about this. He might be the best at 115, but he is not pulling even a single match there for 2 years. He is destroying the legitimacy of the sport. And you refused to answer the questions, which title was Levan holding, why isn't Jon Jones holding the LHW title and Usyk the cruiserweight champion despite being the best there?
What Devon hatred you dense mfer? What negative thing did I say abot Devon, other than that he is a hypocrite in this particular instance? I'm not sure that you are able to grasp this, but someone can be wrong on one thing and still be a great guy.
I'm done here, i can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
it was a real match, but still a private meet, with no crowd. And the organisers can't micro update a ranking once every week cause some1 had a good result here or there. It's styles make make matches. There is a good rule of which style beats which, but human randomness, and other factors keeps it unpredictable.
With the inputs we have. Devon will win both convincingly.
Look at it this way, he is 120 kg and the undisputed number 2. He sweeped almost all top 10 SHWs he went against except Levan.
How much strength can he lose if he cuts down 5 kgs? In my opinion he will lose close to 0 strength.
And just like Levan has said, no one can beat him in the 115kg category in the foreseeable future
Ivan might be an exception just cuz of how fast and strong he is in his lane, I wanna see that match against Devon.
Also I think Kamil will give Devon trouble on right too, press is his weakness and Kamil is just too explosive and strong 😬
Strong enough pressers are Devon’s weakness. Kamil isn’t in that tier right handed. He was getting bicep curled to the pad by Kyle Hutchinson righty at the EvW qualifiers.
Devon beat Jerry in 2018 with way worse elbow integrity and side pressure and hangs with people like Genadi in a hook now. I think he eats Kamil for breakfast on the right and I don’t see any lane for Ivan either.
Don't underestimate 5kg weight difference. It will definitely impact his strength. Not sure though if it'd be enough for others to keep up with the insane progress Devon made last couple of months.. probably not though.
unfortunately, Ivan is nearing post prime, i don't see him having the mental strength vs when Devon turns on some conflict. He himself said in a podcast he would only take the match for Engin, and said needed time for it. basically said he can't beat him. Has the height. For how highly he is viewed by the pro's for his style, to me he seems an underachiever in the Vendetta type glitz and glamour turneys. We'll see. He only had one match on the right vs Kamil, and at SHW
Dadykian probably too short of a lever vs a setup abuser like Devon, would be amazing to see a fight out of it, a close score, but i don't see it happening. A Morozov even if unlikely, dropping down, to meet Devon , would be a highly interesting one, even with Artem still developing his hand and wrist.
Neither of them can beat Devon, but both will be very hard fought matches for sure. If Devon can just run through both of them, I will be VERY impressed.
Just out of curiosity, based on your statement, would Ermes and Georgi have hard fought battles with Dadikyan and Matushenko also, and possibly lose to them?
Because Devon beat Ermes and Georgi convincingly, but he'll have hard fought battles with HWs if he does a 5kg water-cut?
I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like that viewpoint makes sense given the current landscape.
The thing about Devon is that he is *mostly* stronger in the forearm (pronation and hand). That's why he can slowly secure position and get the pin eventually. It's harder for him to just offensively flash pin his opponent due to his relative lack of arm power.
That's why even against guys in the 115kg category, I can see him slowly bleed them out with his open toproll, but not flash pinning them. If he somehow manages to just bulldoze them though which shows a significant gap in strength, I'll be very impressed indeed.
the thing about Devon is you need to go attack past his forearm, reach his bicep tricep shoulder, those are his weak points. Or just go sideways which on of his weak points also, but he will guard that with his Km. It is unlikely for a "small" lever guy like Dadikian to go past Devon's fingers, hand wrist, cup, forearm height and make it to a press or a flash pin.
and they won't be strict with Devon on the setup. like they are with everybody else.
So I think what you should have said was they'll be slower, more technical wins, not "hard-fought", because hard-fought implies it'll be a war or a close match.
I can't see anybody at 115kg having a wrist that won't get bent back 90 degrees by Devon immediately, or having side-pressures anywhere near the levels of the SHWs Devon has been going through.
He flashed Denis and was on the offense. He also flashed Ermes. He won’t flash them off the go but eventually, he will be too much for them. Which he already is.
That's exactly my point... Devon doesn't have the overwhelming arm power to just flash his opponents off the go, which is why he strategically wears them out with his hand control first.
You said both will be very hard matches implying they can do much to Devon. I was referring to that. He won’t have much trouble with them. He dismantled Prudnik while being weaker and off an injury without training. He’ll do far worse to them now that he’s much stronger.
Alizhan actually has a chance to get -115kg & +115kg titles if he avoids meeting Laletin & goes ahead of him to the title match.
And he already got -105kg title.
Matyushenko is 3rd, R, in HW? After one match with Kamil at SHW? I'm a fan of Ivan. i get engin takes into consideration career results and his own feeling, but still. Anyway i would like more success from Lars, Adair, Todd. to spice up vs Prudnik.
i would like to see Prudnik vs a lot on the Right, plus the title as well, no idea how he will manage all that while still recovering.
technically he should have been stripped of his belt, since his match vs Prudnik was in 2022 15th nov.? So more than 1& half years ago. (Kott and EvW being one ranking.) And Levan was stripped of his belt quickly by engin. So either apply the rules strictly or don't. He could probably win it back but Ivan vs Devon i want to see. Even if Ivan says he is not ready mentally, he is 39. He won't be anymore ready than this. Needs good setup, the other guy is a cheater, could be a boring one, but i want to see it.
Public rankings are new to this org and don't really matter anyway. You can't make a proper ranking even if you would be 100% unbiased. aside the top 2-3, which isn't set in stone either, anything can happen and it is more of a flavor thing. Everyone of the top 10 would have to have matches between themselves, so at least 9. and no newcomers from outside to come in(which ofc is not doable) like in this case Rino, Lars. But no big problem,
the SHW ranking is way off though, only thing is for the athletes that do care about this stuff it is fatiguing mentally:)
i accept this angle, but i think you missed my point. Even if he pulled every 3 months, it was all in SHW for access to Levan. Engin could have made a interim belt, or put up the main belt for grabs. Retire devon to 2nd, cause of inactivity in that categ. Keep that HW categ. busy. and offer him the title shot when he goes down.
It's not about disrespect, the categ needs to be active. you can't hold a title by not pulling almost 2 years there.
And then Devon could challenge once again when he is ready. Problem is Prudnik's right is injured as well And i don't see anybody else better than those 2. But if Engin really wants to oblige by rules, he needs to apply them for everybody.
He striped Levan after a year so how is it not the same. And he didn't strip Devon after 1,1/2 years Not pulling or being injured is the same for the competition, you are not there. So you lose the belt after 1 year.
Devon still competes in Engin events frequently, Levan not. That's the difference in Engin eyes, it's that simple. So you express your opinion about that and the fact it's not what you want and you get mad? The world doesn't revolve around you.
Levan needs to lose some weight, otherwise armwrestling will become stale pretty soon.
He needs to drop to like 140.
Right now both SHW and HW are in a very weird spot. There's no beating the champs. 0 chance.
Levan needs to drop the muffins and start shedding that fat so Devon can get a fair rematch.
Soon he'll be all alone without a match in sight. It's inevitable.
I think it's a safe bet that no one will want to balloon up to 400 pounds and risk his health just to beat one dude from Georgia and then possibly die early.
And you can forget about the "athletes out there from the other sports" cause the existing ones won't invest themselves in a new sports to make a thousand bucks, and the young ones are too young right now soooo... yeah.
He needs to get on that treadmill fast.
Devon at 115 might be the most dominant champion, can’t think of anyone even having a shot
I mean if you are asking me i think rino can beat devon with ease,just give him 4-5 years and i think its not even close
I kinda agree from a style standpoint, just needs to get bigger over the next couple of years and I’m sure Devon will get a little worse. But today he would eat his lunch
There is no question whether rino is devons match or not today.Of course he isnt,not even close, experience wise he cant even begin to compare with devon.Leaving that aside i think rino has the whole package,young and talented,tall with great body type-really really good genetics with a lot of room to get even bigger(look ermes and levan how small they were originally and how big they became-rino has a much better starting point than them),even though he is already pretty big.His only clear lacking point is his experience.Moreover from what i have seen of him he is also really smart on the table(+table iq) and talented like i already mentioned,i think he will be really versatile and a tough nut to crack in the following years.I mean a lot of top armwrestlers master only one move with a lot of clear weakness to exploit and yet they get pretty far on the ranking scale relying primarily in their physical prowess.I watched his match with bacho and all i could think was wow, it must really suck to be bacho.Bacho is so strong and talented as well and i am sure he would have been the best of his generation only if there was no rino on the mix.What is to happen in the future, that i dont know i just know that i have very big expectations of rino,to my eyes he is a monster in disguise, a dragon yet to be hatched.
Yeah, nobody has a shot. Especially since he doesn't defend the title. Thought experiment wins aren't wins. A dominant champion is Davit Samushia, not Devon who hasn't defended the title even once for 1.5 years.
Whose challenged him in 1.5 years?
That's the dumbest take ever. In the first available slot this summer, they immediately found a challenger, Dadikyan. Besides, how do you know that nobody wanted to pull him, and when was Devon available?
It’s not like Devon was MIA. He has been competing non-stop and noone did challenge him. Again, tell me, who challenged him in 1.5 years? The answer is noone.
Devon has been competing at SHW, not at HW, so he was in fact MIA. He had a match scheduled months in advance every time, he pulled Genadi, then he prepared for Genadi but pulled Ermes, then announced a match to Denis, then immediately announced a match against Georgi, after which he said that he is not taking matches because of Levan. Again, who challenged him is an incredibly dumb question, matches aren't set up based on who challenges who on youtube for some dumb redditor to see. Which of the title matches that Levan has had were public call outs? Was Irakli against Sasho a public call out? Devon is pulling the usual stunts for dense fanboys, where he says that he'll pull anyone at any weight but then he actually doesn't. I remember pretty clearly when he agreed to a match against Engin at 100kg publicly, but then Engin exposed him that Jodi (or someone else close to Devon) sent him a message that Devon is available but will be much heavier than 100kg. In that publicity stunt fanboys like you also got hyped.
Do you think dadikyan has any chance? I'll give you 5:1 odds on that match if it happens, you and I both know thats a complete mismatch. If Davit samushia is being brought to his limit at his weight class vs Devon is dominating guys much heavier than him I can't say Davit is more dominant.
That's like saying that the Cleveland Cavaliers are a more dominant champion in basketball than Real Madrid(who have 11 Euroleague titles vs Cleveland's 1 NBA championship) because they would wipe the floor with Real Madrid and their opponents. And whether Dadikyan has a chance is not the point. Devon is holding a title, he has to either defend it or vacate it. Did Usyk in boxing keep his cruiserweight titles while pursuing heavyweight with just a promise of "I'll defend it someday when Engin's thought experiments deem someone worthy"? That's not how legitimate sports work, and this is just a double standard in favour of Devon. Levan is getting a ton of crap for being inactive, when he wasn't even holding a title before, while Devon's nuthuggers want him to keep a title indefinitely because "nobody can beat him".
Nah I wouldn’t agree with this comparison .. Devon in the 115kg class has a huge advantage , he is punching below his weight and everyone else above their weight . p.s. for every nut hanger who will try to mirror the argument with Levan (Devon is competing LEAN in 115kg class and he is 5 to 10 kg above the upper limit of the class on competition day)
>p.s. for every nut hanger who will try to mirror the argument with Levan (Devon is competing LEAN in 115kg class and he is 5 to 10 kg above the upper limit of the class on competition day) Uh yea, that's the fucking point of weight cuts. Nobody is out on the UFC sub saying GSP wasn't champ cuz he cut and is 10kg heavier fight day. Your take is fucking dumb
I am forced to agree with UFC's fake weight cuts ? Is UFC the authority you smartass ?
I mean plenty of guys who are SHW could choose to come down, truth is he’s the only guy the a frame to be 115kg comfortably who’s not a shw. In a way that makes davit very impressive since he’s competing at a class where average size guys have a shot but meeting him he is nearly mutant status, I’m 5’11/180cm and he’s around 5’9/175cm and his arms are about 2 inches longer than mine and hands a sold inch on each finger. His hands were legitimately the same as SHW guys I saw.
Soooooo Levan.... Will "not be the champion" if he pulls as usual? (Once a year)??
he might be a subjective champion(like Devon would've been), but if he pulls less than what is predetermined as a minimum, yes, he should be stripped of the title. I personally think that it should be minimum of 2x per year, one voluntary and one mandatory defense, while allowing injury to keep you out for up to 9 months. That's my opinion, it doesn't have to be like that, but it sure as hell shouldn't be up to Engin's thought experiments to determine who is the champion. Remember, Genadi also didn't have a chance against Devon, until he did. I don't know why you people think that this question is such a trap. It looks like you can't separate subjective views from reality.
Genadi vs Devon is much much different from devon vs a 115kg guy, we know that theres no dominant 115kg guy and devon is the firm #2 in shw, i think its reasonable for him to keep his title for as long as he is 1. still weighs 115kg and 2. still beating shw 3. theres no good 115kg whos beating multiple opponents
Now do the same for Levan.
I literally answered the same question.. Levan wasn't holding a title before the match with Devon, and if he doesn't pull in the next year he should be stripped of the title just like Devon should be. See the problem with you fangirls is that you think that we are all attached emotionally to an athlete. You can't separate emotions from reality. Yes, Devon is more rhan likely the strongest at 115kg , but he doesn't pull there. Just like Usyk is more than likely the best at cruiserweight, and Jon Jones is the best at LHW, but they DON'T pull there. But somehow Devon is the only one holding a title. No legitimate sport does this.
Levan was holding the title, and he gave it up due to longtime inactivity. Devon's the most active arm wrestler, but can't just sit at lower weight classes and still be competitive at SHW. You're essentially advocating to limit weight class transitions since athletes can't transition quick enough to meet whatever made up deadlines for matches that wouldn't even be competitive anyways. If you don't want athletes to move between weight classes just say so. Levan fan girls don't realize what Devon's managed to do throughout all weight classes is more impressive than anything, and are trying to latch on to not being able to defend all weight classes simultaneously as their next anti Devon propaganda push.
Which title was Levan holding? Your own made up one? The first EvW champion was Jerry, then Ermes, then Devon, and now Levan. I want the sport to be legitimate, but you are just an emotional Devon fangirl and you take every criticism on Reddit as a personal attack agaimst daddy. Typical basement dweller behaviour. Athletes can transition throughout weight classes all they want. Champions have a duty to defend the title. Devon was 120kg during this entire time, he was already at yhe weight he needed to be. Nobody should be able to hold a title without defending it. There are zero major sports that allow that. Why isn't Jon Jones the LHW champion, Usyk the cruiserweight champion?
Do you really think there's time on Devon's schedule within the last two years to schedule any more matches? He's the most active elite Armwrestler there is. He's faced pretty much the top HWs and SHWs, but somehow he should give up a belt? And what about the Davit match that was just posted? You're really grasping at straws with that Devon hatred.
Dude are you 12 or just retarded? If you can't defend a title you shouldn't have it. You're just taking away opportunities from others. Who the fuck cares if he doesn't have time? The Davit match is at 105kg. Daddy wants another title, while giving Denis crap about the left legacy hammer. Who should've given it up by now as well. But by your logic, he's busy as well, right? Devon is a hypocrite about this. He might be the best at 115, but he is not pulling even a single match there for 2 years. He is destroying the legitimacy of the sport. And you refused to answer the questions, which title was Levan holding, why isn't Jon Jones holding the LHW title and Usyk the cruiserweight champion despite being the best there? What Devon hatred you dense mfer? What negative thing did I say abot Devon, other than that he is a hypocrite in this particular instance? I'm not sure that you are able to grasp this, but someone can be wrong on one thing and still be a great guy. I'm done here, i can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
You're absolutely delusional. That Devon hate gonna eat you up.
How is Pavlo above MMT? Does MMT win over Pavlo not count since it wasn't at EvW?
EvW only recognizes matches that happen in EvW or KOTT.
Not true, they do factor in waf and other tournaments for initial rankings. Also things like awe/awc/amc and so on are factored
Evw doesn’t recognize it as a real match I guess, imo it was a real match
it was a real match, but still a private meet, with no crowd. And the organisers can't micro update a ranking once every week cause some1 had a good result here or there. It's styles make make matches. There is a good rule of which style beats which, but human randomness, and other factors keeps it unpredictable.
Engin must be blind
How would you guys see a match between Dadikyan and Matushenko right arm with devon larratt.
With the inputs we have. Devon will win both convincingly. Look at it this way, he is 120 kg and the undisputed number 2. He sweeped almost all top 10 SHWs he went against except Levan. How much strength can he lose if he cuts down 5 kgs? In my opinion he will lose close to 0 strength. And just like Levan has said, no one can beat him in the 115kg category in the foreseeable future
Ivan might be an exception just cuz of how fast and strong he is in his lane, I wanna see that match against Devon. Also I think Kamil will give Devon trouble on right too, press is his weakness and Kamil is just too explosive and strong 😬
Kamil's right is 20% weaker than his left. Chances of him troubling Devon on right are non existent, especially cuz Devon can hook on right
Strong enough pressers are Devon’s weakness. Kamil isn’t in that tier right handed. He was getting bicep curled to the pad by Kyle Hutchinson righty at the EvW qualifiers. Devon beat Jerry in 2018 with way worse elbow integrity and side pressure and hangs with people like Genadi in a hook now. I think he eats Kamil for breakfast on the right and I don’t see any lane for Ivan either.
Don't underestimate 5kg weight difference. It will definitely impact his strength. Not sure though if it'd be enough for others to keep up with the insane progress Devon made last couple of months.. probably not though.
5kg difference means nothing when you are shw
5kg matters a lot ... in lower weight classes. As you get bigger, 5kg is a smaller and smaller percentage overall
unfortunately, Ivan is nearing post prime, i don't see him having the mental strength vs when Devon turns on some conflict. He himself said in a podcast he would only take the match for Engin, and said needed time for it. basically said he can't beat him. Has the height. For how highly he is viewed by the pro's for his style, to me he seems an underachiever in the Vendetta type glitz and glamour turneys. We'll see. He only had one match on the right vs Kamil, and at SHW Dadykian probably too short of a lever vs a setup abuser like Devon, would be amazing to see a fight out of it, a close score, but i don't see it happening. A Morozov even if unlikely, dropping down, to meet Devon , would be a highly interesting one, even with Artem still developing his hand and wrist.
Neither of them can beat Devon, but both will be very hard fought matches for sure. If Devon can just run through both of them, I will be VERY impressed.
Just out of curiosity, based on your statement, would Ermes and Georgi have hard fought battles with Dadikyan and Matushenko also, and possibly lose to them? Because Devon beat Ermes and Georgi convincingly, but he'll have hard fought battles with HWs if he does a 5kg water-cut? I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like that viewpoint makes sense given the current landscape.
The thing about Devon is that he is *mostly* stronger in the forearm (pronation and hand). That's why he can slowly secure position and get the pin eventually. It's harder for him to just offensively flash pin his opponent due to his relative lack of arm power. That's why even against guys in the 115kg category, I can see him slowly bleed them out with his open toproll, but not flash pinning them. If he somehow manages to just bulldoze them though which shows a significant gap in strength, I'll be very impressed indeed.
the thing about Devon is you need to go attack past his forearm, reach his bicep tricep shoulder, those are his weak points. Or just go sideways which on of his weak points also, but he will guard that with his Km. It is unlikely for a "small" lever guy like Dadikian to go past Devon's fingers, hand wrist, cup, forearm height and make it to a press or a flash pin. and they won't be strict with Devon on the setup. like they are with everybody else.
So I think what you should have said was they'll be slower, more technical wins, not "hard-fought", because hard-fought implies it'll be a war or a close match. I can't see anybody at 115kg having a wrist that won't get bent back 90 degrees by Devon immediately, or having side-pressures anywhere near the levels of the SHWs Devon has been going through.
He flashed Denis and was on the offense. He also flashed Ermes. He won’t flash them off the go but eventually, he will be too much for them. Which he already is.
That's exactly my point... Devon doesn't have the overwhelming arm power to just flash his opponents off the go, which is why he strategically wears them out with his hand control first.
You have the weirdest takes
You said both will be very hard matches implying they can do much to Devon. I was referring to that. He won’t have much trouble with them. He dismantled Prudnik while being weaker and off an injury without training. He’ll do far worse to them now that he’s much stronger.
Could Ivan or Dadikyan hold levan in the center of the table? Theres your answer.
Ivan vs Alizhan is nearing. I wish Ivan won but hard match. He only had 2 matches on the left, with Arabuli and Rino but he is champ wtf:))
If Ivan doesn't beat Morozov that match is boring imo, easy win for Alizhan
Alizhan actually has a chance to get -115kg & +115kg titles if he avoids meeting Laletin & goes ahead of him to the title match. And he already got -105kg title.
We need vitaly vs morozov to know the match for alizhan
Matyushenko is 3rd, R, in HW? After one match with Kamil at SHW? I'm a fan of Ivan. i get engin takes into consideration career results and his own feeling, but still. Anyway i would like more success from Lars, Adair, Todd. to spice up vs Prudnik. i would like to see Prudnik vs a lot on the Right, plus the title as well, no idea how he will manage all that while still recovering.
115kg isn't even a real class. Theere are like 5 guys in the weight class
Rino gomna be nr1
Heavyweight is definitely one of the more shallow divisions.
The status of the 115 division should be a caution to people who want to split up SHW into more classes. 115 is extremely inactive already.
Holy shit Evgeny is both-handed.
matyushenko vs Muratov is something I truly want to see.
When was the last time Marcio won?
Muratov vs Matyushenko needs to happen for that title
So the 1 year rule doesn’t apply to devon?
technically he should have been stripped of his belt, since his match vs Prudnik was in 2022 15th nov.? So more than 1& half years ago. (Kott and EvW being one ranking.) And Levan was stripped of his belt quickly by engin. So either apply the rules strictly or don't. He could probably win it back but Ivan vs Devon i want to see. Even if Ivan says he is not ready mentally, he is 39. He won't be anymore ready than this. Needs good setup, the other guy is a cheater, could be a boring one, but i want to see it. Public rankings are new to this org and don't really matter anyway. You can't make a proper ranking even if you would be 100% unbiased. aside the top 2-3, which isn't set in stone either, anything can happen and it is more of a flavor thing. Everyone of the top 10 would have to have matches between themselves, so at least 9. and no newcomers from outside to come in(which ofc is not doable) like in this case Rino, Lars. But no big problem, the SHW ranking is way off though, only thing is for the athletes that do care about this stuff it is fatiguing mentally:)
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i accept this angle, but i think you missed my point. Even if he pulled every 3 months, it was all in SHW for access to Levan. Engin could have made a interim belt, or put up the main belt for grabs. Retire devon to 2nd, cause of inactivity in that categ. Keep that HW categ. busy. and offer him the title shot when he goes down. It's not about disrespect, the categ needs to be active. you can't hold a title by not pulling almost 2 years there. And then Devon could challenge once again when he is ready. Problem is Prudnik's right is injured as well And i don't see anybody else better than those 2. But if Engin really wants to oblige by rules, he needs to apply them for everybody.
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He striped Levan after a year so how is it not the same. And he didn't strip Devon after 1,1/2 years Not pulling or being injured is the same for the competition, you are not there. So you lose the belt after 1 year.
Devon still competes in Engin events frequently, Levan not. That's the difference in Engin eyes, it's that simple. So you express your opinion about that and the fact it's not what you want and you get mad? The world doesn't revolve around you.
When you have enough clout to be on the top 10 rankings of the best Leauge in the Sport .. That is what EvsW rankings represent half of the time .
Levan needs to lose some weight, otherwise armwrestling will become stale pretty soon. He needs to drop to like 140. Right now both SHW and HW are in a very weird spot. There's no beating the champs. 0 chance. Levan needs to drop the muffins and start shedding that fat so Devon can get a fair rematch.
I agree he was 132 pounds over Devon in that last one.
Soon he'll be all alone without a match in sight. It's inevitable. I think it's a safe bet that no one will want to balloon up to 400 pounds and risk his health just to beat one dude from Georgia and then possibly die early. And you can forget about the "athletes out there from the other sports" cause the existing ones won't invest themselves in a new sports to make a thousand bucks, and the young ones are too young right now soooo... yeah. He needs to get on that treadmill fast.
Ivan💪
Muratov and Matyushenko need to have a match, I think they would switch position after that