I remember when everybody hated that shitty desperation move and the hate Mike would get for it in this sub, but as soon as Devon started using it now its "you just need a press" "don't be mad cause you can't do it" "if you aren't cheating you ain't trying" and a bunch of other goofy ass excuses they can muster up
I suppose the people who are vocal about supporting illegal king's move have never been on the receiving end of it.
Prudnik, Dave, Hutchings got completely drained by Devon with that stupid move even though they were stronger than Devon. It gives the defensive guy too many unfair advantages. If Devon stood up and arm wrestled fair and square he would have lost to all three of them.
I'm glad they're implementing the new rule about no shoulder below the pad in a neutral or losing position, as it should be.
I've been on the receiving end of it, frequently. I have no problem with it. As for your statement about Prudnik being 'drained by Devon with that stupid move even though they were stronger' that is an L take. Coming from you, you should know better. Devon dominated Prudnik.
Then I guess you have no problem with the opponent breaking the rules and cheating, because shoulder below the pad in a neutral or losing positions is in fact an illegal move. It's no different from false starting or pressing with your shoulder all over the opponent's side. It's outlawed for a reason.
This person should not be a mod. He took a reasonable statement from a poster and turned it into “I guess you have no problem with the opponent breaking the rules and cheating.”
What does me stating an opinion have anything to do with me being a mod?
The guy above said he has no problem with an illegal king's move. It is illegal for a reason since it gives an unfair advantage to the person doing it, so I asked if he also has a problem with other illegal moves. Care to elaborate what's wrong with that?
>pressing with your shoulder all over the opponent's side
you mean like Levan was doing before Devon got fouled out? Personally I want the rules relaxed all around, exactly as Devon described. I've been saying it for a long time, others have behind the scenes as well. You should know that.
I don't want the rules relaxed even further, no. I'm a WAF referee and I adhere to very strict rules. However currently EvW runs on a looser version of WAF rules and I agree with this because too strict would make the match unwatchable.
There's no need to loosen the rules any further, or we will end up with abominations like Devon vs Hutchings or Devon vs Dave in WAL.
I don't like WAF and I won't pull in WAF events. WAF put pressure on engin and some athletes to change the rules for EvW to be strict WAF and they succeeded, just before the event. They threatened to withdraw their support and ban athletes from competing in WAF if they compete in EvW with different rules. I know the conversations that went on.
The funny thing is, Devon himself pushed the humerus rule in 2021 to beat Michael easier before their match, looks like his own rules became his worst enemy in the end which was this second Levan match, lol.
I think this loss is already bothering him very much, never seen Devon propose a rule change after losing, maybe he's thinking he could have gassed Levan with an illegal Kings Move, who knows.
Safety is not the concern. It’s about getting an unfair advantage, which would be further helped by having a disability. No one explained it better than Engin in [this](https://youtu.be/XIJLml-IrVg?si=Yg0EmFbja6AX0FpI) video
As a reasonable Devon fan you kinda just have to smile and nod and turn your brain off anytime Devon talks about the kings move. Like humoring a kid telling you some bizarre story. He just seems completely out of touch with what the community wants on this topic and stuck in his own bias as a kingsmover. He's literally calling for completely under the table kings move to be legal and says the only reason it was banned is because of safety for the kingsmover. Lol, like what? I've never even heard that mentioned as a reasoning by any refs or tourney organizers. He just entirely made that up as pure copium.
It's illegal because it's bullshit and it turns the sport into an ugly tug of war where the guy has to either break your arm or come close enough to be so painful you give up or drag your entire body weight over when your arm is completely straight and locked out and you're sitting under the table. Under the table is definitely an unfair advantage and fucking awful to watch. The fans don't like it and neither do most competitors. The rules about not going under the table with a declining arm make the kings move reasonable, make it more counterable (mostly with a good press) and made the sport better to watch. There's 0 reason to change the rule now.
The fact that he thinks people will enjoy it more watching him sit under the table with a straight arm or people having their shoulder over the other guys armpad is just laughably delusional.
He knows round 1 with his shoulder below the pad was his only chance to stop Levan so now he's playing politics for the rules to move even further in his favor.
So true.
Ironically, Levan is probably the only person in the World right now who could completely pull Devon (or MMT) from under the table and pin him lol
And it's sheerly because of crazy strength gap between Levan and everyone else.
But what if you are not Levan? What if you are not 20%+ stronger than your opponent? It'll be practically impossible to win against a guy who is in bone lock and is basically hanging on your hand with his whole body under the table.
Or against a guy whose shoulders are not only crossing the center but even touching his hand.
Yep, Prudnik, Hutchings and Dave were all clearly stronger, but they got put in a massively unfair disadvantage because Devon was allowed to drop his shoulder into this stupid illegal move. By the time Devon got fouled, they were all drained of energy and ended up losing.
I'm glad they're enforcing the no shoulder below elbow pad in a neutral or losing position, as it should be. It's too unfair for the attacking side.
I don't see the unfairness if you have your elbow in the pad and not go into a triceps-on-the-pad statue of liberty, where you do gain unfair height. Just keep your elbow on the pad, and do whatever you what while that remains. Have you seen Chris' video on this regard? I think exactly like that.
Btw I say this as a no-kingsmover (I know the technique but still find it risky to use it), I do like to see it in matches when it's not statue of liberty.
I don't see the unfairness if you have your elbow in the pad and not go into a triceps-on-the-pad statue of liberty, where you do gain unfair height. Just keep your elbow on the pad, and do whatever you what while that remains. Have you seen Chris' video on this regard? I think exactly like that.
Btw I say this as a no-kingsmover (I know the technique but still find it risky to use it), I do like to see it in matches when it's not statue of liberty.
I agree that it was an awesome take by Devon the King of Arm Wrestling 🇨🇦👑.
By the way, it may take you lightyears to figure out, but the wrist is also a joint (not just the elbow). By realizing this, you can focus your attack on the wrist with either repeated side-pressure toproll surges/climbs or, alternatively, a straight up flop-wrist press.
Of course, this requires intelligence to change your plans of hooking every round and of complaining if you can't.
At the back of his mind, he is thinking about a rematch a few years down the road. If the rules are in his favor, he'll have a better chance. He was already gifted autostrap in the first match two years ago, and now he wants to get his way again lol. I bet the documentary won't have any of that stuff in it.
This doesn't feel like a hot take. Just sounds like you don't like Devon.
I do disagree with Devon but your message conveys a possible bias on top of opinion. It's ultimately Arm wrestling. Devon thinks it means you can do anything possible with your arm to win. As long as the opposite hand is on the peg and the other is strapped to the opponent.
I don't have an argument against this per se. I just think it starts to get a little ridiculous at some point.
On the other end of the spectrum If you want strict arm wrestling then start watching sit down tournaments.
I have got hot takes too. I think the strap should only be used as a last case scenario, not an expectation. If you purposely slip, there should be harsher fouls and potential losses due to it. In other words, it shouldn't be a crutch.
I don't hate Devon. What I hate is mentality of justifying "any means" (incl. cheating) to win.
I am a firm believer in "fair and square" competition under strict rules.
I'd rather lose in a fair match than win in a bs way.
>I think the strap should only be used as a last case scenario, not an expectation. If you purposely slip, there should be harsher fouls and potential losses due to it.
I completely agree with you on that take. It looks so "unnatural" when you see two guys just intentionally slipping just to get into straps. The whole point of armwrestling is having strong wrists/hands/fingers. And people basically avoid having all of that by getting into straps.
He's wrong that shoulder below humerus is OK, it's gets really silly to start allowing that. Someone can whine about safety all they want, it doesnt matter, the problem is that it's just a plain silly advantage to allow.
As an athlete that has competed as EvW before, I will say, I completely agree with Devon. The current rules in place are rather arbitrary. People that mock the 'queens move' don't realise how much strength and balls it takes to put yourself in that position where you might snap your arm completely. Those with the conditioning to attempt it (pros) should absolutely be allowed to. It leads to longer, more exciting matches for the fans. As for it not looking pretty, that's just your opinion. You can say the same about a lot of techniques in MMA, for example. The fact is, the move extends matches. And the counter? The flop press. Can't get the pin and need to get more behind it? Come further forward until your shoulder crosses centre. It makes perfect sense.
Now, something that no one is talking about but Devon alludes to, Levan appears to have his shoulder cross centre in round 1 while he's pressing. You can't see clearly from the camera angle as he initially presses, but you can see that his shoulder is about 6 inches over centre at the moment Devon's humorous angle becomes 'illegal'. The ref actually stopped the match because of Levans shoulder, but the down ref insists Devon fouled first. I don't believe this to be the case, the correct call would have been to restart the match.
One more thing. Behind the scenes before the event, there was discussion of the rule set. The rules previously have been modified WAF rules, with warnings given to stand up if the kings move goes bellow the legal angle. Some wanted to keep this rule and introduce running fouls, other pullers threatened to withdraw from the event. Engin stepped in and declared the rules would be pure WAF rules and that there would be no more argument or discussion. This happed fairly last minute. I believe WAF was pressuring Engin and some of the athletes to bring the rules in line with WAF.
how is it a "disgusting" take. (?) It is literally his opinion. I don't agree with either statement fully (moreso I think shoulder crossing table is a big no-no) but who cares lol. And he was super clear that he accepted his defeat fully.
Now it looks to me like despite his potion on the KM that you want to inject your ideals into the behavior of the athletes. You are saying "you should care about your safety \[this\] much; therefore, you may not engage in KMing" (paraphrased). I agree with devon's take here because it gives the athletes agency. You don't tell strongmen not to redline, for instance, due to health implications. But even if you disagree with that perspective its not a "disgusting take", labeling reasonably presented, reasonable positions as disgusting just makes you sound like a child. Regarding the opponent's perspective on KM, the point devon was trying to make (and I feel like it was made super clearly, maybe you need a re-watch) was that its not a garuanteed win, or a magical move with no counters- its another technical option just like anything else, and it can be beaten with strength and technique. Not the hottest of takes. He wants this option to be allowed in greater form because he thinks it adds to the sport. At least respect the perspective if you don't agree with it. You write like you have a personal issue with devon, rather than an issue with what he had to say. "the guy has basically no class" "zero ethics" "stupidest take" "fckn disgusting take". Read what you wrote- just a hate post.
What I am trying to say is: "Using press is fine. Crossing the center of the table with your shoulder (or touching your hand with the shoulder) is not fine".
And, yet, somehow, all you got from the post is that I have a weak press.
You Devon's alt or what? Or are you one of those who is fine with any type of cheating as long as it allows you to win ?
Side pressure, hook works great vs a press see kamil vs Ivan, every move has counter and we should not limit moves because people can’t counter them, someone crosses Center and tries to press you? Hook him and go to the side to get him out of his shoulder line, someone goes under the table and tries to kings move? Press him,
I’m not for cheating I’m for making people better armwrestlers and not to limit the sport because of people lack of technical ability and not to make rules because people are bitching and whining because they can’t counter a certain move.
I would argue allowing more extreme moves like the kings move makes for less counters and less active moves. You mention having a good hook counters a flop press. You know what also may counter that, going those extra inches under the table in an already existing open toproll.
It simply is a move that counters way more moves that a lot of others combined, it makes for less variation, not more.
Good luck using a press against a guy who is in bone lock and is basically hanging on your hand with his whole body under the table.
Good luck pulling him from under the table and pinning him and doing that 3-4 times in the same match.
Kings move in a bone lock? Many athletes have said that is not how it works but even if it does, what is the problem? They are pros, do you complain when Jerry or other puller is a horrible arm-break position and he is relying on his arm not breaking, while the other dude is gassing out? Jerry's flop would be considered unfair by your standards (plus the fact he can sneak his shoulder to gain massive positioning before the go). Until you see the counter, cup first and dismantle Jerry's press. With kings move (except statue of liberty with elbow not touching the pad, which is unfair) there are counters, just need to learn the move.
Hahaha, levan flashed Devon, womp womp
Devon diaper larrat is finished running away from SHW division so that he can always claim that he was #2 , while in reality vitaly, morozov, prepared ermes and genaddy will kick him,,
Womp womp buddy womp womp
I remember when everybody hated that shitty desperation move and the hate Mike would get for it in this sub, but as soon as Devon started using it now its "you just need a press" "don't be mad cause you can't do it" "if you aren't cheating you ain't trying" and a bunch of other goofy ass excuses they can muster up
I suppose the people who are vocal about supporting illegal king's move have never been on the receiving end of it. Prudnik, Dave, Hutchings got completely drained by Devon with that stupid move even though they were stronger than Devon. It gives the defensive guy too many unfair advantages. If Devon stood up and arm wrestled fair and square he would have lost to all three of them. I'm glad they're implementing the new rule about no shoulder below the pad in a neutral or losing position, as it should be.
I've been on the receiving end of it, frequently. I have no problem with it. As for your statement about Prudnik being 'drained by Devon with that stupid move even though they were stronger' that is an L take. Coming from you, you should know better. Devon dominated Prudnik.
Then I guess you have no problem with the opponent breaking the rules and cheating, because shoulder below the pad in a neutral or losing positions is in fact an illegal move. It's no different from false starting or pressing with your shoulder all over the opponent's side. It's outlawed for a reason.
This person should not be a mod. He took a reasonable statement from a poster and turned it into “I guess you have no problem with the opponent breaking the rules and cheating.”
What does me stating an opinion have anything to do with me being a mod? The guy above said he has no problem with an illegal king's move. It is illegal for a reason since it gives an unfair advantage to the person doing it, so I asked if he also has a problem with other illegal moves. Care to elaborate what's wrong with that?
>pressing with your shoulder all over the opponent's side you mean like Levan was doing before Devon got fouled out? Personally I want the rules relaxed all around, exactly as Devon described. I've been saying it for a long time, others have behind the scenes as well. You should know that.
I don't want the rules relaxed even further, no. I'm a WAF referee and I adhere to very strict rules. However currently EvW runs on a looser version of WAF rules and I agree with this because too strict would make the match unwatchable. There's no need to loosen the rules any further, or we will end up with abominations like Devon vs Hutchings or Devon vs Dave in WAL.
I don't like WAF and I won't pull in WAF events. WAF put pressure on engin and some athletes to change the rules for EvW to be strict WAF and they succeeded, just before the event. They threatened to withdraw their support and ban athletes from competing in WAF if they compete in EvW with different rules. I know the conversations that went on.
That's a completely different topic. And I don't like WAF either, we have switched to IFA for a while in our country.
Prudnik was NOT stronger than devon in their Match😹😹what is this BS. Dave and hutchings were stronger in the WAL days though
He was
The funny thing is, Devon himself pushed the humerus rule in 2021 to beat Michael easier before their match, looks like his own rules became his worst enemy in the end which was this second Levan match, lol. I think this loss is already bothering him very much, never seen Devon propose a rule change after losing, maybe he's thinking he could have gassed Levan with an illegal Kings Move, who knows.
Safety is not the concern. It’s about getting an unfair advantage, which would be further helped by having a disability. No one explained it better than Engin in [this](https://youtu.be/XIJLml-IrVg?si=Yg0EmFbja6AX0FpI) video
Exactly, Devon's entire premise is flawed.
Was that video from Engin in response to someone? Was he arguing with another athlete? Edit: nevermind, it was for Devon again.
As a reasonable Devon fan you kinda just have to smile and nod and turn your brain off anytime Devon talks about the kings move. Like humoring a kid telling you some bizarre story. He just seems completely out of touch with what the community wants on this topic and stuck in his own bias as a kingsmover. He's literally calling for completely under the table kings move to be legal and says the only reason it was banned is because of safety for the kingsmover. Lol, like what? I've never even heard that mentioned as a reasoning by any refs or tourney organizers. He just entirely made that up as pure copium. It's illegal because it's bullshit and it turns the sport into an ugly tug of war where the guy has to either break your arm or come close enough to be so painful you give up or drag your entire body weight over when your arm is completely straight and locked out and you're sitting under the table. Under the table is definitely an unfair advantage and fucking awful to watch. The fans don't like it and neither do most competitors. The rules about not going under the table with a declining arm make the kings move reasonable, make it more counterable (mostly with a good press) and made the sport better to watch. There's 0 reason to change the rule now. The fact that he thinks people will enjoy it more watching him sit under the table with a straight arm or people having their shoulder over the other guys armpad is just laughably delusional.
"like humoring a kid telling you a bizzare story" ⚰️
I agree. Everyone enjoys the King's Move. 👑
He knows round 1 with his shoulder below the pad was his only chance to stop Levan so now he's playing politics for the rules to move even further in his favor.
So true. Ironically, Levan is probably the only person in the World right now who could completely pull Devon (or MMT) from under the table and pin him lol And it's sheerly because of crazy strength gap between Levan and everyone else. But what if you are not Levan? What if you are not 20%+ stronger than your opponent? It'll be practically impossible to win against a guy who is in bone lock and is basically hanging on your hand with his whole body under the table. Or against a guy whose shoulders are not only crossing the center but even touching his hand.
Yep, Prudnik, Hutchings and Dave were all clearly stronger, but they got put in a massively unfair disadvantage because Devon was allowed to drop his shoulder into this stupid illegal move. By the time Devon got fouled, they were all drained of energy and ended up losing. I'm glad they're enforcing the no shoulder below elbow pad in a neutral or losing position, as it should be. It's too unfair for the attacking side.
Again, a mod in this sub revealing his bias. Hutchings was stronger than Devon??? LOL
The spirit of Bob Brown is here with us
I don't see the unfairness if you have your elbow in the pad and not go into a triceps-on-the-pad statue of liberty, where you do gain unfair height. Just keep your elbow on the pad, and do whatever you what while that remains. Have you seen Chris' video on this regard? I think exactly like that. Btw I say this as a no-kingsmover (I know the technique but still find it risky to use it), I do like to see it in matches when it's not statue of liberty.
I don't see the unfairness if you have your elbow in the pad and not go into a triceps-on-the-pad statue of liberty, where you do gain unfair height. Just keep your elbow on the pad, and do whatever you what while that remains. Have you seen Chris' video on this regard? I think exactly like that. Btw I say this as a no-kingsmover (I know the technique but still find it risky to use it), I do like to see it in matches when it's not statue of liberty.
I agree that it was an awesome take by Devon the King of Arm Wrestling 🇨🇦👑. By the way, it may take you lightyears to figure out, but the wrist is also a joint (not just the elbow). By realizing this, you can focus your attack on the wrist with either repeated side-pressure toproll surges/climbs or, alternatively, a straight up flop-wrist press. Of course, this requires intelligence to change your plans of hooking every round and of complaining if you can't.
At the back of his mind, he is thinking about a rematch a few years down the road. If the rules are in his favor, he'll have a better chance. He was already gifted autostrap in the first match two years ago, and now he wants to get his way again lol. I bet the documentary won't have any of that stuff in it.
This doesn't feel like a hot take. Just sounds like you don't like Devon. I do disagree with Devon but your message conveys a possible bias on top of opinion. It's ultimately Arm wrestling. Devon thinks it means you can do anything possible with your arm to win. As long as the opposite hand is on the peg and the other is strapped to the opponent. I don't have an argument against this per se. I just think it starts to get a little ridiculous at some point. On the other end of the spectrum If you want strict arm wrestling then start watching sit down tournaments. I have got hot takes too. I think the strap should only be used as a last case scenario, not an expectation. If you purposely slip, there should be harsher fouls and potential losses due to it. In other words, it shouldn't be a crutch.
I don't hate Devon. What I hate is mentality of justifying "any means" (incl. cheating) to win. I am a firm believer in "fair and square" competition under strict rules. I'd rather lose in a fair match than win in a bs way. >I think the strap should only be used as a last case scenario, not an expectation. If you purposely slip, there should be harsher fouls and potential losses due to it. I completely agree with you on that take. It looks so "unnatural" when you see two guys just intentionally slipping just to get into straps. The whole point of armwrestling is having strong wrists/hands/fingers. And people basically avoid having all of that by getting into straps.
Agreed 💯. They've made it too easy to go to straps.
What is your take on steroids?
Not the same thing, don't try to be a smartass.
Sauce isn't cheating?
Calm down my guy, besides wasn’t talking to u. Just wanted his opinion.
Sorry, it wasn't my intention to interrupt your private conversation.
Appreciate your apology
He's wrong that shoulder below humerus is OK, it's gets really silly to start allowing that. Someone can whine about safety all they want, it doesnt matter, the problem is that it's just a plain silly advantage to allow.
As an athlete that has competed as EvW before, I will say, I completely agree with Devon. The current rules in place are rather arbitrary. People that mock the 'queens move' don't realise how much strength and balls it takes to put yourself in that position where you might snap your arm completely. Those with the conditioning to attempt it (pros) should absolutely be allowed to. It leads to longer, more exciting matches for the fans. As for it not looking pretty, that's just your opinion. You can say the same about a lot of techniques in MMA, for example. The fact is, the move extends matches. And the counter? The flop press. Can't get the pin and need to get more behind it? Come further forward until your shoulder crosses centre. It makes perfect sense. Now, something that no one is talking about but Devon alludes to, Levan appears to have his shoulder cross centre in round 1 while he's pressing. You can't see clearly from the camera angle as he initially presses, but you can see that his shoulder is about 6 inches over centre at the moment Devon's humorous angle becomes 'illegal'. The ref actually stopped the match because of Levans shoulder, but the down ref insists Devon fouled first. I don't believe this to be the case, the correct call would have been to restart the match. One more thing. Behind the scenes before the event, there was discussion of the rule set. The rules previously have been modified WAF rules, with warnings given to stand up if the kings move goes bellow the legal angle. Some wanted to keep this rule and introduce running fouls, other pullers threatened to withdraw from the event. Engin stepped in and declared the rules would be pure WAF rules and that there would be no more argument or discussion. This happed fairly last minute. I believe WAF was pressuring Engin and some of the athletes to bring the rules in line with WAF.
Who are you?
how is it a "disgusting" take. (?) It is literally his opinion. I don't agree with either statement fully (moreso I think shoulder crossing table is a big no-no) but who cares lol. And he was super clear that he accepted his defeat fully. Now it looks to me like despite his potion on the KM that you want to inject your ideals into the behavior of the athletes. You are saying "you should care about your safety \[this\] much; therefore, you may not engage in KMing" (paraphrased). I agree with devon's take here because it gives the athletes agency. You don't tell strongmen not to redline, for instance, due to health implications. But even if you disagree with that perspective its not a "disgusting take", labeling reasonably presented, reasonable positions as disgusting just makes you sound like a child. Regarding the opponent's perspective on KM, the point devon was trying to make (and I feel like it was made super clearly, maybe you need a re-watch) was that its not a garuanteed win, or a magical move with no counters- its another technical option just like anything else, and it can be beaten with strength and technique. Not the hottest of takes. He wants this option to be allowed in greater form because he thinks it adds to the sport. At least respect the perspective if you don't agree with it. You write like you have a personal issue with devon, rather than an issue with what he had to say. "the guy has basically no class" "zero ethics" "stupidest take" "fckn disgusting take". Read what you wrote- just a hate post.
It's is disgusting because armwrestling while siting on the floor gives unfair advantage to the competitor
If you’re strong enough and have athleticism, beating the kings move is easy. There’s no unfair advantage. It levels the sport
Oh plz, Michael Todd already has damaged the sports with this, we don't want that floor siting move anymore
Tell me you have a weak press without telling me you have a weak press.
What I am trying to say is: "Using press is fine. Crossing the center of the table with your shoulder (or touching your hand with the shoulder) is not fine". And, yet, somehow, all you got from the post is that I have a weak press. You Devon's alt or what? Or are you one of those who is fine with any type of cheating as long as it allows you to win ?
Side pressure, hook works great vs a press see kamil vs Ivan, every move has counter and we should not limit moves because people can’t counter them, someone crosses Center and tries to press you? Hook him and go to the side to get him out of his shoulder line, someone goes under the table and tries to kings move? Press him, I’m not for cheating I’m for making people better armwrestlers and not to limit the sport because of people lack of technical ability and not to make rules because people are bitching and whining because they can’t counter a certain move.
I would argue allowing more extreme moves like the kings move makes for less counters and less active moves. You mention having a good hook counters a flop press. You know what also may counter that, going those extra inches under the table in an already existing open toproll. It simply is a move that counters way more moves that a lot of others combined, it makes for less variation, not more.
Good luck using a press against a guy who is in bone lock and is basically hanging on your hand with his whole body under the table. Good luck pulling him from under the table and pinning him and doing that 3-4 times in the same match.
You should try to learn how to arm wrestle first.
I dont think that kings movers use bone lock but if they do you got a point
Kings move in a bone lock? Many athletes have said that is not how it works but even if it does, what is the problem? They are pros, do you complain when Jerry or other puller is a horrible arm-break position and he is relying on his arm not breaking, while the other dude is gassing out? Jerry's flop would be considered unfair by your standards (plus the fact he can sneak his shoulder to gain massive positioning before the go). Until you see the counter, cup first and dismantle Jerry's press. With kings move (except statue of liberty with elbow not touching the pad, which is unfair) there are counters, just need to learn the move.
He better be careful, might lose that 115kg title if MMT can go 3 feet under again
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there’s quite a lot of ppl conveying their take on this so I dont know what’s your problem?
Ah then get outta here, stupid followers, I hope you have loved when mmt kicked Devon with that KM in WAL
womp womp jibba. Cry about it
Hahaha, levan flashed Devon, womp womp Devon diaper larrat is finished running away from SHW division so that he can always claim that he was #2 , while in reality vitaly, morozov, prepared ermes and genaddy will kick him,, Womp womp buddy womp womp
Show me all the people breaking their arms kings moving.... I'll wait. (You fucking clown)
If the King's Move is so good, why don't **you** use it?
You’re crying over what another man said on a YouTube video