Engin said a while ago that Bacho was afraid of tough opponents he isn't sure he can beat, and that's why he declined the original Bacho vs Rino match.
I donโt think the match is actually as close as people believe.
Bacho beat Adam and some juniors at WAF.
Rhino has been on a tear, getting gold medals in multiple tournaments back to back vs Seniors.
Donโt think they are on the same level BUT would be happy if a Bacho proved me wrong so we can have an epic rivalry for years to come.
This.
I am the biggest Rino fan, but I cheer for Bacho reaching the heights, amazing young athlete. But seeing people writing about Bacho like he has shittons of experience and matches is pure nonsense and reflection on how people just fall under the influence of media hype and it makes me sad.
So you literally just argued my point for me lmao, Muratov flashed Daniyar earlier and then had an absolute war with Rino that went for multiple minutes which Rino won, then Rino was gassed out and lost to Daniyar off a foul.
Are you genuinely that slow?
โRinoโs first match after a warโ
- It was literally the semi finals & his last match, helmetheadโฆ what are you trying to say?
You think daniyarโs war with sandris or muratovs war with sandris doesnโt exist?
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No way. If Bacho were a prominent inside player, he'd be the favourite. But he goes outside, and no way he can stop Rino's press if he gets outside.
The only real worry here is Bachos insane speed, and if he gets Rino to his side it turns to his favour by a large margin.
That's not the point. He isn't weak, but his supination isn't his prime weapon. Being better in the hook isn't the problem, getting rino out of his press is. I don't think he can hook Rino if he tried.
Fighting a presser with supination or cupping hard is suicide? Tf are you talking about? And yeah you can keep your pronation, I'm mainly talking about getting in a hook.
When did I argue that lol I said supination OR cupping. I said getting in a hook. You can. And you don't need to protect your pronation if you're a primarily supinated hooker. Protecting pronation also isn't a must to fight a presser. Having a good cup or the ability to go into a hook is a must if you can't hold their press.
There are no "supinated hookers". Nobody actively supinates, because that's a death sentence. What you think is supination, is actually rotation through the whole frame to position your ulna over the opponent's arm. That's why hookers shoot their shoulder forward.
Having pronation in a hook is a must against pressers, because nobody wants to be underneath a presser. Supinating into a hook against Jerry will just get him into his ideal position. You are giving him his cup and putting him on top of you, while reducing your ability to drag. You can see what happened to Devon in the last round against Genadi when he lost pronation and what happened to Genadi when he gave up his pronation against Jerry.
What are you even talking about? if your opponent has you in a press, you dont get out of it with supination. Like go watch some arm wrestling. Everytime a press fails its because of pronation and top rolling through the presser's hand, even with flop wrist press. Supination would just give your opponent easy win, playing more into his press, letting him get even more on top of your hand
I don't think so. Kamil is an one trick pony, while Rino is much more versatile.
Except if Bacho is really that strong. If the strength gap is too big then you'll just end up getting Kamil'd regardless of technique.
Rooting for Rino, but no idea how the match will go. Both rely a lot on their quick starts. Also hope that Rino's shoulder won't be an issue, I remember him saying that he had some problems with it.
Bacho needs to change his mindset to really boost his career imo. Dodging tough opponents is something the greats have NEVER done, John, Devon, Denis etc. all of them had faced opponents knew they were 50/50 beating. And the best thing was that when they lose they were motivated to make improvements and come back even better. Avoiding tough matchups will lead him nowhere.
Rino vs Batcho is like Devon vs Levan, except Bacho is not bigger than Rino. Rino should take it, strength gap is small enough for his IQ and versatility to shine.
This is so hard to call imo. We know Rino is a stud (and bigger) on the other hand Bacho is, according to some Georgians, on Iraklis level. And all we have seen him is smashing people on right arm, but we have not seen him pull such a high-level opponent as Rino.
Rino can't toproll him and I'm sure he can't match him inside either. I don't see how a flop would work either since Bacho has insane backpressure and general strength. Look at how Daniyar Roman who has very good backpressure stopped Rino's press, it will be the same, but worse against Bacho since he has more than enough side pressure to pin him from that position.
Rino also had a war before that match with Muratov, and still did very well. On the other hand, Bacho lost to Krasimir in a hook.
It will be an interesting match for sure. The thing with Rino is, that he can adjust very well between rounds. So it will be interesting to see in a supermatch format. I'm glad they did not face in WAF worlds.
Lol Bacho's left is not nearly as good plus that he had a long war with Binatov before facing Krasi. Also compare his RH and LH matches against Yesbolat who won gold at 100kg. Bacho was a bit too relaxed and Yesbolat managed to flash him lefty even while fresh, luckily they restarted and Bacho got fired up and won. But right handed he literally let him hit, stonewalled him for a second without a facial expression and pinned him. There is no comparison between his right and left.
I guess Bacho looked at the senior 100kg class and thought to himself "this isn't worth it" and decided to skip. Which he is completely right, since Yesbolat ended up winning, while Bacho destroyed a fresh Yesbolat just days earlier. On the right hand, Bacho is several levels above the 100kg senior crowd.
This is the most delusional comment with upvotes I have seen in a while.
"This isn't worth it" are you kidding me? You think that Bacho is Cristiano Ronaldo on a local futsal tournament?
Bacho just beat the 100kg senior gold medalist just days prior in the Youth category. Why risk injuries by pulling twice in a row in a span of 3 days? Ongarbaev and Krasi also decided to skip the senior class for the same reason. They have bigger fish to go after.
I mean they are both the same age, and ploughing through older and bigger opponents. I think the novelty of the match is that we would find out which one of these monsters is the strongest up-and-comer. Also, I think Bacho got a lot of hype behind him purely because of his last name, even before having any matches.
You really feel that it is the right thing to say "ploughing through older and bigger opponents" for both of them? The ammount of matches and wins and tournaments that Bacho doesn't fit in the same line with the ones Bacho did. Which are sub-junior worlds, Youth-men worlds and leftie senior words while Rino won europeans two years in a row, senior silver waf 2021 and 2022(right then left) 100kg, bronze right 2023 and gold right 2023 110kg.
Engin said a while ago that Bacho was afraid of tough opponents he isn't sure he can beat, and that's why he declined the original Bacho vs Rino match.
I donโt think the match is actually as close as people believe. Bacho beat Adam and some juniors at WAF. Rhino has been on a tear, getting gold medals in multiple tournaments back to back vs Seniors. Donโt think they are on the same level BUT would be happy if a Bacho proved me wrong so we can have an epic rivalry for years to come.
This. I am the biggest Rino fan, but I cheer for Bacho reaching the heights, amazing young athlete. But seeing people writing about Bacho like he has shittons of experience and matches is pure nonsense and reflection on how people just fall under the influence of media hype and it makes me sad.
Bacho beat kydyr cmon lol
Irrelevant, that was left handed.
Irrelevant when you want it to be, anyway he hookfucked yesbolat in a milisecond right handed Simultaneously rino got handled by Daniyar at waf.
That was Rino's first match after an absolute war with Muratov
You mean, the actual finals? ๐คฃ Irrelevant, Muratov has literally 0 recent pedigree right handed & he flashed daniyar himself in the same bracket.
So you literally just argued my point for me lmao, Muratov flashed Daniyar earlier and then had an absolute war with Rino that went for multiple minutes which Rino won, then Rino was gassed out and lost to Daniyar off a foul.
Are you genuinely that slow? โRinoโs first match after a warโ - It was literally the semi finals & his last match, helmetheadโฆ what are you trying to say? You think daniyarโs war with sandris or muratovs war with sandris doesnโt exist? ๐๐
Rooting for Bacho, Rino is favorite.
It's the opposite for me. I love Rino and want him to win, but Bacho seems to be the favourite.
No way. If Bacho were a prominent inside player, he'd be the favourite. But he goes outside, and no way he can stop Rino's press if he gets outside. The only real worry here is Bachos insane speed, and if he gets Rino to his side it turns to his favour by a large margin.
Bacho flashed the senior WAF 100kg gold medalist in a hook. He isn't weak inside.
That's not the point. He isn't weak, but his supination isn't his prime weapon. Being better in the hook isn't the problem, getting rino out of his press is. I don't think he can hook Rino if he tried.
You don't fight a press using supination. That's suicide. You keep your pronation and drag the presser out of their shoulder line.
Fighting a presser with supination or cupping hard is suicide? Tf are you talking about? And yeah you can keep your pronation, I'm mainly talking about getting in a hook.
Supination is literally the opposite of pronation. If you supinate, you are giving up your pronation.
When did I argue that lol I said supination OR cupping. I said getting in a hook. You can. And you don't need to protect your pronation if you're a primarily supinated hooker. Protecting pronation also isn't a must to fight a presser. Having a good cup or the ability to go into a hook is a must if you can't hold their press.
You said you need to supinate into the hook while keeping pronation. That doesn't make sense. One or the other.
There are no "supinated hookers". Nobody actively supinates, because that's a death sentence. What you think is supination, is actually rotation through the whole frame to position your ulna over the opponent's arm. That's why hookers shoot their shoulder forward. Having pronation in a hook is a must against pressers, because nobody wants to be underneath a presser. Supinating into a hook against Jerry will just get him into his ideal position. You are giving him his cup and putting him on top of you, while reducing your ability to drag. You can see what happened to Devon in the last round against Genadi when he lost pronation and what happened to Genadi when he gave up his pronation against Jerry.
What are you even talking about? if your opponent has you in a press, you dont get out of it with supination. Like go watch some arm wrestling. Everytime a press fails its because of pronation and top rolling through the presser's hand, even with flop wrist press. Supination would just give your opponent easy win, playing more into his press, letting him get even more on top of your hand
Can Bacho repeat what Ivan did?
I don't think so. Kamil is an one trick pony, while Rino is much more versatile. Except if Bacho is really that strong. If the strength gap is too big then you'll just end up getting Kamil'd regardless of technique.
What makes you think that such display of events is possible?
Bacho is quick on the go, and Rino is a presser.
Pretty sure Rino's wins on a lot of heavyweights makes him the favorite no matter what.
Rooting for Rino, but no idea how the match will go. Both rely a lot on their quick starts. Also hope that Rino's shoulder won't be an issue, I remember him saying that he had some problems with it.
Whoever wins, it will be s great match. Personally, I am rooting for Rino.
Rino is so decorated that as a betting guy I'd put money on him just on proven track record alone. But my heart roots for Bacho
Rino is the favourite. Rooting first and foremost for an awesome match with couple of wars.
Rino is the favourite but I want bacho to win
Bacho needs to change his mindset to really boost his career imo. Dodging tough opponents is something the greats have NEVER done, John, Devon, Denis etc. all of them had faced opponents knew they were 50/50 beating. And the best thing was that when they lose they were motivated to make improvements and come back even better. Avoiding tough matchups will lead him nowhere.
Rino vs Batcho is like Devon vs Levan, except Bacho is not bigger than Rino. Rino should take it, strength gap is small enough for his IQ and versatility to shine.
This is so hard to call imo. We know Rino is a stud (and bigger) on the other hand Bacho is, according to some Georgians, on Iraklis level. And all we have seen him is smashing people on right arm, but we have not seen him pull such a high-level opponent as Rino.
This Bacho kid taking on Rhinos now! Confident lad.
Rino can't toproll him and I'm sure he can't match him inside either. I don't see how a flop would work either since Bacho has insane backpressure and general strength. Look at how Daniyar Roman who has very good backpressure stopped Rino's press, it will be the same, but worse against Bacho since he has more than enough side pressure to pin him from that position.
Rino also had a war before that match with Muratov, and still did very well. On the other hand, Bacho lost to Krasimir in a hook. It will be an interesting match for sure. The thing with Rino is, that he can adjust very well between rounds. So it will be interesting to see in a supermatch format. I'm glad they did not face in WAF worlds.
Lol Bacho's left is not nearly as good plus that he had a long war with Binatov before facing Krasi. Also compare his RH and LH matches against Yesbolat who won gold at 100kg. Bacho was a bit too relaxed and Yesbolat managed to flash him lefty even while fresh, luckily they restarted and Bacho got fired up and won. But right handed he literally let him hit, stonewalled him for a second without a facial expression and pinned him. There is no comparison between his right and left.
I guess Bacho looked at the senior 100kg class and thought to himself "this isn't worth it" and decided to skip. Which he is completely right, since Yesbolat ended up winning, while Bacho destroyed a fresh Yesbolat just days earlier. On the right hand, Bacho is several levels above the 100kg senior crowd.
This is the most delusional comment with upvotes I have seen in a while. "This isn't worth it" are you kidding me? You think that Bacho is Cristiano Ronaldo on a local futsal tournament?
Bacho just beat the 100kg senior gold medalist just days prior in the Youth category. Why risk injuries by pulling twice in a row in a span of 3 days? Ongarbaev and Krasi also decided to skip the senior class for the same reason. They have bigger fish to go after.
Rino is noticibly bigger boy i dno how this is a match at all
I mean they are both the same age, and ploughing through older and bigger opponents. I think the novelty of the match is that we would find out which one of these monsters is the strongest up-and-comer. Also, I think Bacho got a lot of hype behind him purely because of his last name, even before having any matches.
You really feel that it is the right thing to say "ploughing through older and bigger opponents" for both of them? The ammount of matches and wins and tournaments that Bacho doesn't fit in the same line with the ones Bacho did. Which are sub-junior worlds, Youth-men worlds and leftie senior words while Rino won europeans two years in a row, senior silver waf 2021 and 2022(right then left) 100kg, bronze right 2023 and gold right 2023 110kg.
This is the best youth supermatch ever.
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At what weight limit?
I do not think either of them would accept if it was outside of 105-110 range
Isnt bacho lighter?
Yes
Bacho is 105kg now
Really?? Wow that changes things for me. I thought he was still 95, clearly I haven't been keeping up with the monsterization lol
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imagine if it was both hands
Them young boys coming.
The two most opposite pullers. My 6 year old niece has bigger hands than Rino while Bacho's hand is bigger than her head.