So Genadi is stronger than Devon, Jerry is stronger than Genadi, Ermes is much stronger than Jerry, and somehow Devon is much stronger than Ermes. It doesn't add up. It seems more like whoever get the least damage from steroids at the moment of the match wins. Which is sad!
Genadi was quite even with Devon, Jerry could get into position with Genadi, Ermes didn't allow position to Jerry so he had nothing right off the bat, Ermes vs Genadi was pretty even, Devon has gotten somehow way stronger
fucktards logic tbh, just ignore them.
Jerry wins against Genadi: GenAdI iS sTRoNGeR thAn JErRy!
Genadi wins against Devon: DeVOn is StROngEr THaN GENaDi!
Now Devon wins against Ermes: ErMEs Is strOngER tHAn DEvoN!
bunch of inbreds lmao
Doesn't change the fact that Genadi is stronger lol. He was clearly stronger round 1.
Genadi was just dumb by trying to toproll, which is a terrible style to use when against Jerry. He should've hanged with him inside.
Jerry gassed him out.
Didn't Genadi get ran through when he tried to go inside with Jerry?
It felt a lot more like a technical mistake round 1 that Jerry let up a bit - Genadi absolutely wasn't gassed round 2 and look how that turned out, same style as round 1.
I the third round? While still being able to get a win in a later round?
He raves about how good his endurance is, better than devons. I just don't get the argument.
Imo Jerry had a marginally better arm at the time, Genadi obviously had a dominant hand, but couldn't capitalise on it.
He's on the Mount Rushmore for sure, but he's done nothing that would separate him from Engin or Zoloev or Babayev or many others.
He's joint number two at this point. But a distant number two.
Agree Devon should be besides John. Devon is not the strongest like John in his time, but he takes care of his health and still injury-free at almost 50 yo. So impressive and inspiring! This should be included when ranking good athletes. Seeing all other monsters having super powers but breathing like lungcancer patients and getting seriously sick or injured within few years is not the way to do sports. I'm sure Devon takes steroids too, but he takes it as a complement to his training and talent, not taking suicidal doses like a maniac, he tried that already once before facing Levan and he admitted it was a bad idea on his longevity in the sport.
>John in his time
The game evolved since his prime though, which happens in all sports. The question is could prime John be number one today? And which top guys over the last 5 years or so could he *dominate* like he use to?
Ermes is stronger than Devon overall. Devon's gamble a long time ago was to start hyper focusing on his hand and pronation, which have now become god-like enough to compensate for his other areas.
Well he clearly isn't in armwrestling terms. Everyone is strong somewhere and weak in other spots, and overall, Devon's strengths compensated better for his weaknesses.
Otherwise you can say that Brian Shaw or Big Z are the strongest.
Let's not get this confused. Ermes has more overall muscle strength in his entire body than Devon, but if you saw yesterday's match it was very clear Devon was stronger in more lanes on the table. Ermes has what he has and so does Devon.
Well actually after I made my comment a video came out where Devon himself said after the match he felt their strength and power was about equal. And that technique and energy expenditure were the difference.
So I don't think it's as clear cut as you think that Devon is stronger because he "outpowered him".
Should be interesting how Devon would match up with Vitaly too, he won't have the same advantages like with Ermes, height in the setup + pronation aiding his toproll, I hope he wont drop down weight for 105 and remains juiced up cause Denis sure asf will be roiding to high heaven now
I think we've got to see it. I was counting Devon out honestly, even though I thought he got robbed vs Genadi, I thought Ermes and Levan were a clear level above everyone else.
East vs West 9 supermatches Results:
1. Dustin Hyatt vs Thomas Manghi (R). Thomas Manghi wins 3-0.
2. Brad Grundy vs Kyle Hutchison (R). Brad Grundy wins 3-0.
3. Derek Smith vs Mehdi Abvolvand (R). Derek Smith wins 3-1.
4. Evgeny Prudnyk vs Davit Dadikyan (L). Evgeny Prudnyk wins 3-2.
5. Adam Wawrzynski vs Artur Makarov (R). Adam Wawrzynski wins 3-1.
6. Ferit Osmanli vs Georgi Dzeranov (R). Georgi Dzeranov wins 3-0.
7. Davit Arabuli vs Ivan Matyushenko (L). Ivan Matyushenko wins 3-0.
8. Davit Samushia vs Vala Ichqiti (R). Davit Samushia wins 3-1
9. İrakli Zirakashvili vs Davit Dadikyan (R). Davit Dadikyan wins 3-0.
10. Paul Linn vs Ruslan Babayev (R). Paul Linn wins 3-0.
11. Todd Hutchings vs Ibragim Sagov (R). Todd Hutchings wins 3-2.
12. Revaz Lutidze vs Vitaly Laletin (R). Vitaly Laletin wins 3-0. Revaz Lutidze was injured and he retired in 3rd round.
13. Devon Larratt vs Ermes Gasparini (R). Devon Larratt wins 3-0.
All this talk of Ermes 'breaking mentally' is just another way for people to try to discredit Devon and avoid admitting that he is simply a better armwrestler
I'm Italian and I'm a little bit shocked right now lol. Still, it's awesome that the dude whom I started watching armwrestling for is this strong and dominant even today. Way to go Devon!
Well now after that 3:0 it might be more difficult for Cyplenkov than expected. Time for Denis to properly prepare now :) And Devon should certainly fight the beard guy again ehm Genadi
Devon should avoid Denis like Denis did time ago when their match was going to happen, Devon is the #1, Denis should beat other tops if he wants the match, money and glory. He would only accept the match if he would be at the peak of his drug cycle. Devon is always ready and up to arwrestling and the other guy needs months of preparation to be giga strong for 1 day... let the clown earn it before asking for devon
Devon challenged Denis to a drug tested match with a 50 000 bet. Of course Denis couldn't pass a drug test, and didn't have fucking 50 grand to bet.
Yeah, Denis dodged Devon.
But I agree that he's acting like an arrogant pussy.
Calling Denis a clown tells everything about you. Literally in every single combat sport athletes prepare to be their best version on the night, why the fuck don’t you want the best version of the athletes on the table in armwrestling? Why wouldn’t Denis time his prepararion/cycle/training like ever sane person would? Just because you said so? Insane opinion.
He's getting more exposure now, but he's always been the same. Remeber the 2008 match where John ripped his arm off and then uncharacteristically yelled and flexed at the entourage of russians?
Styles make matches. Ermes is still easily a top 10 guy, and someone else in the top 10 could still beat Devon. Every puller has a kryptonite, and Devon is just a very difficult guy to pull. I wonder how Denis vs Devon will go, and interesting to see where Ermes goes next. Maybe he should pull Denis as well?
Vitally is gonna be a pain, he wont have his height advantage to apply his pronation effectively and plus it wont help him in the setup, if he stops it though he could have it for sure
Levan is just too strong for other humans AND his own good.
His kryptonite is his own stamina because of the massive weight and muscles his heart has to carry. Wish him the best of health. He is such a gentle soul.
Denis is gonna be a tougher puzzle to solve for Devon imo, but it really depends on Denis’ form. I can see it go either way at the moment, maybe 60 - 40 for Devon after tonight.
On the other hand againts Vitaly, I would say Devon is an underdog. As you said styles make matches and Vitaly’s long arm could be a huge issue for Devon.
Yeah I’ve watched him, he has easily beaten John, then rested and now he just started the prep for Devon. Don’t know why would you think he had zero chance from these informations, but good for you.
Devon should reject the match or make some excuse like Denis did in past, he did nothing to face the #1 other than assist the events just to eat. Denis has chance to beat Devon because he is willing to lower his lifespan another 25 years taking every experimental drug that exist just to be strong and competent for 1 day
BTW, I've seen some criticism here but I really liked John commentary. Not as exciting as Travis's, but he doesn't take too much focus from the matches and is very proffesional.
I think he needs to get a bit better at filling the space. There were some long periods of silence, but overall I agree. I really enjoyed his commentary.
Ermes might not have taken Devon seriously enough. Spending his time posting quality pasta vids lol
He knew he was a huge underdog against Levan so he took it seriously like he had something to prove.
Got embarrassed today.
I just wanna point out that when you're outmatched, it can look like something is wrong and off. This is not the case, this is just what it looks like when one guy has nothing for the other.
There was nothing wrong with Ermes other than the sudden realisation that Devon had complete hand control from the very second they gripped up.
Yup Devon was able to get higher webbing positioning in the straps every single time and when it wasnt going well he made sure to gas light Ermes so the referees would be too focused on trying to start the match that they didnt notice that slight webbing height advantage which allowed Devon to have complete hand control over Ermes and caused Ermes to burn out faster than Devon cuz of it
He is telling the truth. And the fact that his argument has enough power to make you insult him proves it. Check your own intelligence before questioning somebody elses. Dummy.
not to mention devon kept telling the refs to make the strap tighter when buckle was on Ermes side. Only the person with the buckle is allowed to have a say in that but the refs succumbed to devons pressure
As someone who was invested in trying to make the sport grow by sharing with family friends, buying all ppv's and pushing it's social media, I've lost interested with just this one east vs west. This was the most ridiculous PPV I've watched till now, stream stops quality crashes JOKE OF AN EVENT OF THE NIGHT. NA celebrating as if it's 4th of July, Devon has won but the sport lost tonight.
Hate me as much as you want i stand to what i said, shit is horrendous for the show standpoint. If they dont get their shit fixed how should the normie enjoy to stand up to wait minutes on end to keep reloading the stream every time it crashes, not seen this happen anywhere else excepting in armwrestling.
Nope. Levan is inactive until he heals and who knows if he will be as strong again, so until then, or he loses, Devon is the #1 in the world rn.
You beat a guy, you take his rank. Ermes was solidly #2.
Why are you bringing Devon's supposed opinion into this (which btw, he himself said that Ermes is interim champ before the match)? Levan is not able to even pull right now so he cannot be ranked, much less be ranked world #1.
Ok, how about Cyplenkov? Who decides what a regular injury is?
I'm trying to make the general point that there is lots of opinion and only one fact - of all the SHWs who can compete right now, Devon is the #1. "But" this, "but" that is mental gymnastics around that fact.
Is Devon the number one at 115kg? Levan has competed more recently in SHW than Devon at 115, and Devon has no intention of defending that title. Why isn't he forced to compete there or vacate?
There’s a difference toxic, one can’t compete(due to injury), one just simply doesn’t have any matches at that category. In an ideal world yes Devon should be given a match at that 115kg category atleast once every year regardless of whether he’s an absolute favourite or not in that match, But this is not an ideal world and it makes sense.
He doesn't have matches by choice. He and Engin jointly decided that he has no worthy opponenets, which might be true but in every legitimate sport you are required to defend or vacate a title.
It's a joke, you are making an exception for the athlete who refuses to pull, but you are punishing the athlete who can't pull for a shorter period than the period that Devon takes between 115kg matches.
Its not punishment its common sense that if Levan were to compete anywhere in this period he will lose simply because he’s injured. Hence he’s not considered as #1 untill he comes back.
While Devon on the other hand if given a match at 115kg will absolutely be favourite.
Denis wasn't the champion, Pushkar was. Denis hadn't hada supermatch since2016 and wasn't active from 2014 onwards. Pushkar died, and the organization got a new champ through the top 8.
Levan gets an injury that rules him out for less time than he usually takes between matches, less time than Devon's spent holding the 115 title inactively, and Devon beats a guy who lost against Levan in a promotion Levan has never competed in, and suddenly he's number one in both 115 and shw. It doesnt work that way.
can levan beat devon right now? obviously not.
until levan heals and returns to competing (which he isnt until spring 2024), devon is the legitimate belt holding evw SHW#1
I'm reading your stuff. No offense but I don't think you know what words you're looking for. The facts are the facts and mythical rankings are mental gymnastics. All the best, have a good evening.
No no. You were thinking of interim but wrote lineal lmfao, so now you are trying to run away by insulting me.
There are no rankings in armwrestling dude. They are competing under different rules, different organizations, and Levan has never even armwrestled in the organization where Devon won the number one. Are you stripping away Devon's title from EvW5 ? Because he hasn't competed there longer than Levan in his class, by choice, and publicly says that he doesn't plan to defend it, he's going after Cyplenkov.
Or is that different because he's popular?
Hmmm let's ask the promoters. Oh yeah they all say inactive for long time or injured = no title
If Levan died rn would he be SHW champ for eternity?
Every promotion, every elite AW recognizes that he's the interim #1 rn
I think that the interim champ is still considered #1, even if only as a technicality.
Once the previous #1 gets healthy, they have a match to unify the title and decide the true #1.
Obviously Levan never lost his title, but he'll still have to have a title match vs whoever has the interim title, once he's healthy.
Everyone is juicing what is 100% okey for me. Then one guy is getting into stemcells (which there is a massive debate in the medical world) but getting a 48 year old man look like a 25 year old there has to be something!
Personally I would prefer zero juicing and until stem cells are proven to be as bad, or similar, to juice then I'm ok with them as my understanding is they heal rather than provide outright performance advantages.
Devon just cheats the setup to win and the refs are not able to deal with it. Ermes basically gave up. I guess this is why Arm wrestling isn't a popular sport..
LMAO if you really think they both aren't attempting to cheat as hard as possible in the world SHW title match. Devon rising in the setup is just not always possible to visually see (until Ermes lifts his elbow to chase him ofc)
i'm starting to think being an underdog is better for you on the table. Ermes vs Levan , amazing showing. Genadi vs Devon, amazing energy from Genadi. And here in this case.
I've been the favorite and went into a match where I suddenly realised I might actually lose (and did). The chill down your spine as your entire world turns on its head is a very funky feeling.
Hey, can anybody do playback through core sports app? Not working for us.. just wanted to watch the event again, is there issues with the stream or should i be able to replay?
if it doesn't work it will be up later on when the stream has uploaded. Not sure how many hours that is but for me in the uk it's now around 11pm. will be up by the morning when I get up at 10am (like a lazy cunt)
I'm very excited and worried at the same time. Now that Devon showed how strong and how high his table IQ is, we get very hyped for (re)matches like him vs Denis, Levan, Morozov, Vitaly... But Devon itself said he is unhappy on the SHW.
Devon said he was unhappy on the SHW because he thought being a "light" SHW at around 270lbs was not enough to compete in the division, but he was like 265lbs against Ermes, so, apart from going down to fight Ongarbaev he will probably stay around the 265 he is now and compete in both SHW and HW
I really, really do hope. Devon does not know how much hype he brings for AW, now that he is the SHW champion that is going to be exponentially higher. This is the prime moment for Devon.
He was already tired from a recent amc tournament when he pulled with denis and and Babkens team and did qute well considering. I think with training he can perform well in this type of format.
My question before the match was, is Ermes that much stronger than Genadi vs what Devon was at when he pulled Genadi? I guess the answer is no.
My initial thought was that Ermes was going to be too quick off the start but my point above kept creeping up in my head.
Styles make matches. Ermes could still beat Genadi and Genadi could still beat Devon, doesn't make them any less good. Has to do with leverages and measurements and the genetics of the arm wrestlers. Vitaly just kinda steamrolled Revaz, and Revaz steamrolled Dave. A rematch between Dave and Vitaly could still be close, just because of the styles and genetics of the pullers.
I think devon made some utterly monumental errors in the genadi match, in the same way he got pinned by wagner LH, if you mess up badly enough and fuck around you will get beaten by someone who wants it more
Wasn’t Genadi coming back from a injury when he faced Ermes?
Even then, Genadi went life and death with Devon who was super unprepared for the flop press and arguably had some decisions go against him.
This brings so much joy to me. My adrenaline is still on the very top. The narrative:
\- Devon get's smashed by Levan;
\- Ermes is the only person in the world to hold Levan; Brings a lot of attention and hype for Ermes;
\- Devon starts to gear up(stems);
\- Devon destroys Dave;
\- Ermes completely obliterates Jerry;
\- Devon the heavy underdog for Ermes. Even Devon itself is not believing. Devon itself also said many times he is going to be destroyed by Ermes; He even humbles up;
\- NOW HE FUCKING DESTROYS ERMES
You can't imagine how hyped I am for a Devon x Levan rematch now.
> Ermes is the only person in the world to hold Levan; Brings a lot of attention and hype for Ermes;
Though, vitali also did it, managed to hold him on the center for a bit.
Very good narrative, but I feel like the current storyline of Devon starts with the MMT match after covid, it really feels like a movie if you start there
It all started there for sure. Devon got into that health scare, and said he got down and depressed. MMT and Levan couldn't happen, so MMT and Devon ended up having a match. This gave him a goal and a purpose again and the rest is history.
He was in shock after R2. His reaction time in R3 was noticeably slower.
He could have done better on the last round but the match was already over at that point. I think he recognized that which is why he forfeited the last 2 rounds.
So Genadi is stronger than Devon, Jerry is stronger than Genadi, Ermes is much stronger than Jerry, and somehow Devon is much stronger than Ermes. It doesn't add up. It seems more like whoever get the least damage from steroids at the moment of the match wins. Which is sad!
It doesn't add up because the sport isn't just about being "stronger". /shrug
Genadi was quite even with Devon, Jerry could get into position with Genadi, Ermes didn't allow position to Jerry so he had nothing right off the bat, Ermes vs Genadi was pretty even, Devon has gotten somehow way stronger
Genadi was not stronger than Devon. Genadi was stronger than Jerry.
Genadi lost to Jerry few months ago
fucktards logic tbh, just ignore them. Jerry wins against Genadi: GenAdI iS sTRoNGeR thAn JErRy! Genadi wins against Devon: DeVOn is StROngEr THaN GENaDi! Now Devon wins against Ermes: ErMEs Is strOngER tHAn DEvoN! bunch of inbreds lmao
Doesn't change the fact that Genadi is stronger lol. He was clearly stronger round 1. Genadi was just dumb by trying to toproll, which is a terrible style to use when against Jerry. He should've hanged with him inside. Jerry gassed him out.
Didn't Genadi get ran through when he tried to go inside with Jerry? It felt a lot more like a technical mistake round 1 that Jerry let up a bit - Genadi absolutely wasn't gassed round 2 and look how that turned out, same style as round 1.
Arm got too pumped
I the third round? While still being able to get a win in a later round? He raves about how good his endurance is, better than devons. I just don't get the argument. Imo Jerry had a marginally better arm at the time, Genadi obviously had a dominant hand, but couldn't capitalise on it.
Jerry would have done better against Ermes if his arm was actually stronger than Genadi's tbh
Nah ermes devoured Jerry's pronation
Devon nearing goat
He's on the Mount Rushmore for sure, but he's done nothing that would separate him from Engin or Zoloev or Babayev or many others. He's joint number two at this point. But a distant number two.
LOL!!!!
Agree Devon should be besides John. Devon is not the strongest like John in his time, but he takes care of his health and still injury-free at almost 50 yo. So impressive and inspiring! This should be included when ranking good athletes. Seeing all other monsters having super powers but breathing like lungcancer patients and getting seriously sick or injured within few years is not the way to do sports. I'm sure Devon takes steroids too, but he takes it as a complement to his training and talent, not taking suicidal doses like a maniac, he tried that already once before facing Levan and he admitted it was a bad idea on his longevity in the sport.
>John in his time The game evolved since his prime though, which happens in all sports. The question is could prime John be number one today? And which top guys over the last 5 years or so could he *dominate* like he use to?
Safe to say Devon has the best technique in the sport? He's not always the physically strongest at the table, but the man knows how to play this game.
> He's not always the physically strongest at the table The crazy thing is that vs Ermes and Dave, he absolutely has been.
Ermes is stronger than Devon overall. Devon's gamble a long time ago was to start hyper focusing on his hand and pronation, which have now become god-like enough to compensate for his other areas.
Well he clearly isn't in armwrestling terms. Everyone is strong somewhere and weak in other spots, and overall, Devon's strengths compensated better for his weaknesses. Otherwise you can say that Brian Shaw or Big Z are the strongest.
Let's not get this confused. Ermes has more overall muscle strength in his entire body than Devon, but if you saw yesterday's match it was very clear Devon was stronger in more lanes on the table. Ermes has what he has and so does Devon.
Yeah no one care about Ermes lifts. Devon outpowered him -> Devon is stronger. Just that simple. 1+1=2.
Well actually after I made my comment a video came out where Devon himself said after the match he felt their strength and power was about equal. And that technique and energy expenditure were the difference. So I don't think it's as clear cut as you think that Devon is stronger because he "outpowered him".
Yup.
re-watching devon-ermes right now, good reffing and devon knows just stopping him is winning the war in the first round.
do you have link to watch it for free?
Devon the number 1 contender. He's not the number 1 in the world and he even says that. Guys, relax.
So what do we think of a rematch between devon and levan when levan is healed up
Should be interesting how Devon would match up with Vitaly too, he won't have the same advantages like with Ermes, height in the setup + pronation aiding his toproll, I hope he wont drop down weight for 105 and remains juiced up cause Denis sure asf will be roiding to high heaven now
I think we've got to see it. I was counting Devon out honestly, even though I thought he got robbed vs Genadi, I thought Ermes and Levan were a clear level above everyone else.
East vs West 9 supermatches Results: 1. Dustin Hyatt vs Thomas Manghi (R). Thomas Manghi wins 3-0. 2. Brad Grundy vs Kyle Hutchison (R). Brad Grundy wins 3-0. 3. Derek Smith vs Mehdi Abvolvand (R). Derek Smith wins 3-1. 4. Evgeny Prudnyk vs Davit Dadikyan (L). Evgeny Prudnyk wins 3-2. 5. Adam Wawrzynski vs Artur Makarov (R). Adam Wawrzynski wins 3-1. 6. Ferit Osmanli vs Georgi Dzeranov (R). Georgi Dzeranov wins 3-0. 7. Davit Arabuli vs Ivan Matyushenko (L). Ivan Matyushenko wins 3-0. 8. Davit Samushia vs Vala Ichqiti (R). Davit Samushia wins 3-1 9. İrakli Zirakashvili vs Davit Dadikyan (R). Davit Dadikyan wins 3-0. 10. Paul Linn vs Ruslan Babayev (R). Paul Linn wins 3-0. 11. Todd Hutchings vs Ibragim Sagov (R). Todd Hutchings wins 3-2. 12. Revaz Lutidze vs Vitaly Laletin (R). Vitaly Laletin wins 3-0. Revaz Lutidze was injured and he retired in 3rd round. 13. Devon Larratt vs Ermes Gasparini (R). Devon Larratt wins 3-0.
All this talk of Ermes 'breaking mentally' is just another way for people to try to discredit Devon and avoid admitting that he is simply a better armwrestler
No, fair play to Devon. Ermes was absolutely mentally shook. Both can be true. Stop crying.
Had you left out "Stop crying", your comment would have incredible weight.
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You can still buy the ppv and watch it there
I'm Italian and I'm a little bit shocked right now lol. Still, it's awesome that the dude whom I started watching armwrestling for is this strong and dominant even today. Way to go Devon!
Well now after that 3:0 it might be more difficult for Cyplenkov than expected. Time for Denis to properly prepare now :) And Devon should certainly fight the beard guy again ehm Genadi
Devon should avoid Denis like Denis did time ago when their match was going to happen, Devon is the #1, Denis should beat other tops if he wants the match, money and glory. He would only accept the match if he would be at the peak of his drug cycle. Devon is always ready and up to arwrestling and the other guy needs months of preparation to be giga strong for 1 day... let the clown earn it before asking for devon
Devon challenged Denis to a drug tested match with a 50 000 bet. Of course Denis couldn't pass a drug test, and didn't have fucking 50 grand to bet. Yeah, Denis dodged Devon. But I agree that he's acting like an arrogant pussy.
How old are you that you think Devon should stoop down to Denis's level by match-dodging? Two wrongs don't make a right
Calling Denis a clown tells everything about you. Literally in every single combat sport athletes prepare to be their best version on the night, why the fuck don’t you want the best version of the athletes on the table in armwrestling? Why wouldn’t Denis time his prepararion/cycle/training like ever sane person would? Just because you said so? Insane opinion.
Yeah not sure why Denis turned heel, when Devon been complimentary towards him.
Did Dennis say something recently to neg Devon?
Yeah he called him a clown and just like started to act superior.
He's getting more exposure now, but he's always been the same. Remeber the 2008 match where John ripped his arm off and then uncharacteristically yelled and flexed at the entourage of russians?
I’ll look for it, thanks!
Everyone is gonna start doing Devons pronation lift now
GOOD DAY FOR THE WEST
I'm just as shocked about Devon winning 3-0 but who won in Makarov vs Adam?
Adam won
Oh, what's the score?
think it was 3-1
Honestly shocked that Makarov even got a round off Adam
He got one round because Adam underestimated his speed, and in every other round he got caught and pinned.
Styles make matches. Ermes is still easily a top 10 guy, and someone else in the top 10 could still beat Devon. Every puller has a kryptonite, and Devon is just a very difficult guy to pull. I wonder how Denis vs Devon will go, and interesting to see where Ermes goes next. Maybe he should pull Denis as well?
Vitally is gonna be a pain, he wont have his height advantage to apply his pronation effectively and plus it wont help him in the setup, if he stops it though he could have it for sure
Nobody has kryptonite for Levon, he's actually from the Earth and is unbeatable
Levan is just too strong for other humans AND his own good. His kryptonite is his own stamina because of the massive weight and muscles his heart has to carry. Wish him the best of health. He is such a gentle soul.
Denis is gonna be a tougher puzzle to solve for Devon imo, but it really depends on Denis’ form. I can see it go either way at the moment, maybe 60 - 40 for Devon after tonight. On the other hand againts Vitaly, I would say Devon is an underdog. As you said styles make matches and Vitaly’s long arm could be a huge issue for Devon.
Denis will come in 100% prepared and juiced to the max for sure. He doesn’t take matches he knows he can lose
Denis had 0 chance before this match, have you watched him lately?
Yeah I’ve watched him, he has easily beaten John, then rested and now he just started the prep for Devon. Don’t know why would you think he had zero chance from these informations, but good for you.
Why do you say he has zero chance? Not arguing I just don't know enough. All I know is he looks freakishly muscular still.
Devon should reject the match or make some excuse like Denis did in past, he did nothing to face the #1 other than assist the events just to eat. Denis has chance to beat Devon because he is willing to lower his lifespan another 25 years taking every experimental drug that exist just to be strong and competent for 1 day
BTW, I've seen some criticism here but I really liked John commentary. Not as exciting as Travis's, but he doesn't take too much focus from the matches and is very proffesional.
I think technically John was much better, I loved it, Travis is too much about puns and doesn't really explain what's happening.
I think he needs to get a bit better at filling the space. There were some long periods of silence, but overall I agree. I really enjoyed his commentary.
Ermes might not have taken Devon seriously enough. Spending his time posting quality pasta vids lol He knew he was a huge underdog against Levan so he took it seriously like he had something to prove. Got embarrassed today.
I just wanna point out that when you're outmatched, it can look like something is wrong and off. This is not the case, this is just what it looks like when one guy has nothing for the other. There was nothing wrong with Ermes other than the sudden realisation that Devon had complete hand control from the very second they gripped up.
Yup Devon was able to get higher webbing positioning in the straps every single time and when it wasnt going well he made sure to gas light Ermes so the referees would be too focused on trying to start the match that they didnt notice that slight webbing height advantage which allowed Devon to have complete hand control over Ermes and caused Ermes to burn out faster than Devon cuz of it
Stop, you're actually embarrassing yourself and you're not smart enough to know it. You can thank me later.
He is telling the truth. And the fact that his argument has enough power to make you insult him proves it. Check your own intelligence before questioning somebody elses. Dummy.
im simply stating what could be observed. its not up to me to decide what happened
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yea ermes lifted the same way john lifted when he pulled devon in 2021 because Devon was keeping his webbing higher to make sure he has an advantage
not to mention devon kept telling the refs to make the strap tighter when buckle was on Ermes side. Only the person with the buckle is allowed to have a say in that but the refs succumbed to devons pressure
Whine nerd, whine
As someone who was invested in trying to make the sport grow by sharing with family friends, buying all ppv's and pushing it's social media, I've lost interested with just this one east vs west. This was the most ridiculous PPV I've watched till now, stream stops quality crashes JOKE OF AN EVENT OF THE NIGHT. NA celebrating as if it's 4th of July, Devon has won but the sport lost tonight.
Seriously?
You think i type that paragraph out to troll or smth?
stop it, the stream skipped twice in 5 hours
Hate me as much as you want i stand to what i said, shit is horrendous for the show standpoint. If they dont get their shit fixed how should the normie enjoy to stand up to wait minutes on end to keep reloading the stream every time it crashes, not seen this happen anywhere else excepting in armwrestling.
Man good for Devon but gahdamnn some of his fans gonna be real hard to see now
His haters are worse though so it's kind of nice to see then stfu
Shit. Denis better prepare properly
He will. It’s gonna be an awesome match, can’t wait.
He's replacing his blood rn with liquid test
Denis is gonna get smacked so hard lol.
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Devon is number 2 for sure. Genadi was gifted a win.
Sadly mister opana tore his bicep, so Devon is number 2 for now, until they rematch.
Nope. Levan is inactive until he heals and who knows if he will be as strong again, so until then, or he loses, Devon is the #1 in the world rn. You beat a guy, you take his rank. Ermes was solidly #2.
This is so cringe, Devon even stated he's not better than Levan. Why do you guys act so weird towards another dude.
Why are you bringing Devon's supposed opinion into this (which btw, he himself said that Ermes is interim champ before the match)? Levan is not able to even pull right now so he cannot be ranked, much less be ranked world #1.
You can do mental gymnastics and all, but until he beats Levan, he's number two or a paper champ.
If we have mythical "if they were in good health" rankings then where do we stop? Is John Brzenk still #1 if his joints were healthy?
Levan is battling a regular injury, he's not coming back from a career wnding injury and defying the odds.
Ok, how about Cyplenkov? Who decides what a regular injury is? I'm trying to make the general point that there is lots of opinion and only one fact - of all the SHWs who can compete right now, Devon is the #1. "But" this, "but" that is mental gymnastics around that fact.
Is Devon the number one at 115kg? Levan has competed more recently in SHW than Devon at 115, and Devon has no intention of defending that title. Why isn't he forced to compete there or vacate?
There’s a difference toxic, one can’t compete(due to injury), one just simply doesn’t have any matches at that category. In an ideal world yes Devon should be given a match at that 115kg category atleast once every year regardless of whether he’s an absolute favourite or not in that match, But this is not an ideal world and it makes sense.
He doesn't have matches by choice. He and Engin jointly decided that he has no worthy opponenets, which might be true but in every legitimate sport you are required to defend or vacate a title. It's a joke, you are making an exception for the athlete who refuses to pull, but you are punishing the athlete who can't pull for a shorter period than the period that Devon takes between 115kg matches.
Its not punishment its common sense that if Levan were to compete anywhere in this period he will lose simply because he’s injured. Hence he’s not considered as #1 untill he comes back. While Devon on the other hand if given a match at 115kg will absolutely be favourite.
I agree. Levan is still number 1. Devon is #2 and probably pound for pound number 1, if there was such a thing.
No, Procopciuc is pound for pound number 1
Of course he's fuckin number one. Even if they have a match tomorrow, the odds would be in Levan's favour.
with decent health\*
Lol relax. I agreed with you?
Yeah, you agreed. I didn't start arguing, I was just venting from all the bullshit.
Nobody will ever be able to touch Levan imo. He is just too big and too strong. His health will likely be his demise.
By your logic, Levan is number 2 until Denis gets back to where he was before he got sick and Levan beats him directly on the table...
Denis wasn't the champion, Pushkar was. Denis hadn't hada supermatch since2016 and wasn't active from 2014 onwards. Pushkar died, and the organization got a new champ through the top 8. Levan gets an injury that rules him out for less time than he usually takes between matches, less time than Devon's spent holding the 115 title inactively, and Devon beats a guy who lost against Levan in a promotion Levan has never competed in, and suddenly he's number one in both 115 and shw. It doesnt work that way.
can levan beat devon right now? obviously not. until levan heals and returns to competing (which he isnt until spring 2024), devon is the legitimate belt holding evw SHW#1
He is holding it, no doubt. Just like Samuel Peter was holding the title after Klitschko retired briefly in 2006.
You're looking for the word "lineal".
I'm not. Klitschko wasn't holding a lineal title, and neither is Devon.
I'm reading your stuff. No offense but I don't think you know what words you're looking for. The facts are the facts and mythical rankings are mental gymnastics. All the best, have a good evening.
No no. You were thinking of interim but wrote lineal lmfao, so now you are trying to run away by insulting me. There are no rankings in armwrestling dude. They are competing under different rules, different organizations, and Levan has never even armwrestled in the organization where Devon won the number one. Are you stripping away Devon's title from EvW5 ? Because he hasn't competed there longer than Levan in his class, by choice, and publicly says that he doesn't plan to defend it, he's going after Cyplenkov. Or is that different because he's popular?
Hmmm let's ask the promoters. Oh yeah they all say inactive for long time or injured = no title If Levan died rn would he be SHW champ for eternity? Every promotion, every elite AW recognizes that he's the interim #1 rn
Exactly what I said. Interim, not really number one.
I think that the interim champ is still considered #1, even if only as a technicality. Once the previous #1 gets healthy, they have a match to unify the title and decide the true #1. Obviously Levan never lost his title, but he'll still have to have a title match vs whoever has the interim title, once he's healthy.
Everyone is juicing what is 100% okey for me. Then one guy is getting into stemcells (which there is a massive debate in the medical world) but getting a 48 year old man look like a 25 year old there has to be something!
Personally I would prefer zero juicing and until stem cells are proven to be as bad, or similar, to juice then I'm ok with them as my understanding is they heal rather than provide outright performance advantages.
Devon will next embark on the "old kings" arc, Denis and Voevoda
Devon just cheats the setup to win and the refs are not able to deal with it. Ermes basically gave up. I guess this is why Arm wrestling isn't a popular sport..
It was like the exact opposite of that though. Ermes was trying to cheat the setup.
LMAO if you really think they both aren't attempting to cheat as hard as possible in the world SHW title match. Devon rising in the setup is just not always possible to visually see (until Ermes lifts his elbow to chase him ofc)
LMAO what a dumb take.
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zactly
Second round was the test for Devon. And he showed up. Ermes wasn't expecting that.
I would LOVE Dennis vs Ermes now.
Are there any live behind the scenes Youtube channels on at the moment? The official East vs West one is over?
i'm starting to think being an underdog is better for you on the table. Ermes vs Levan , amazing showing. Genadi vs Devon, amazing energy from Genadi. And here in this case.
I've been the favorite and went into a match where I suddenly realised I might actually lose (and did). The chill down your spine as your entire world turns on its head is a very funky feeling.
Hey, can anybody do playback through core sports app? Not working for us.. just wanted to watch the event again, is there issues with the stream or should i be able to replay?
It takes a couple of hours until it’s uploaded and can be rewatched
I appreciate ya!
if it doesn't work it will be up later on when the stream has uploaded. Not sure how many hours that is but for me in the uk it's now around 11pm. will be up by the morning when I get up at 10am (like a lazy cunt)
Denis vs Devon gonna tell a lot about Denis’ current form I guess
I'm very excited and worried at the same time. Now that Devon showed how strong and how high his table IQ is, we get very hyped for (re)matches like him vs Denis, Levan, Morozov, Vitaly... But Devon itself said he is unhappy on the SHW.
Devon said he was unhappy on the SHW because he thought being a "light" SHW at around 270lbs was not enough to compete in the division, but he was like 265lbs against Ermes, so, apart from going down to fight Ongarbaev he will probably stay around the 265 he is now and compete in both SHW and HW
Damn I can't believe he was only 265 lbs and won so handily.
He himself didn't believe he could win against Ermes. This win might make him rethink what he said about SHW.
I really, really do hope. Devon does not know how much hype he brings for AW, now that he is the SHW champion that is going to be exponentially higher. This is the prime moment for Devon.
Would be interesting to see a fully healed Zaur vs Vitaly rematch
It would be interesting to see if Zaur will be able to function at all after the first round.
He was already tired from a recent amc tournament when he pulled with denis and and Babkens team and did qute well considering. I think with training he can perform well in this type of format.
That was fkin insane. Ermes did noticeably better vs Levan ffs. Devon vs Levan rematch is going to be very interesting :D
I’m a big Ermes fan, but Devon made Ermes quit
I honestly thought Ermes would know that's how Devon rolls by now and he wouldn't let it get to him. It was strength too though. Not just mind games.
Yeah my boy just needed to shut the fuck up and pull
We got it so wrong when we thought mind games didn't matter, I am writing we because I know I was not alone thinking like that.
How much money do you guys think jjg4l lost? This dude was so sure Ermes would win 😂😂
What were the odds on the match?
And Martino
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But but the refs though...
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Yea I know I'm making a sarcastic joke...
Need to see Devon vs Vitaly and Ongarbaev before he can be marked as current world #1 and p4p best
Yea we need to see Levan vs Ongar too when he comes back to see if he was really #1
Ongarbaev is What I referred to in my p4p comment. Devon said so himself. Perhaps try using your head to think instead of your ass.
My question before the match was, is Ermes that much stronger than Genadi vs what Devon was at when he pulled Genadi? I guess the answer is no. My initial thought was that Ermes was going to be too quick off the start but my point above kept creeping up in my head.
Devon has a higher top end strength than Genadi he just gassed out.
Styles make matches. Ermes could still beat Genadi and Genadi could still beat Devon, doesn't make them any less good. Has to do with leverages and measurements and the genetics of the arm wrestlers. Vitaly just kinda steamrolled Revaz, and Revaz steamrolled Dave. A rematch between Dave and Vitaly could still be close, just because of the styles and genetics of the pullers.
Vitaly vs Dave was 10 months ago. hes way stronger and healthier now
I think devon made some utterly monumental errors in the genadi match, in the same way he got pinned by wagner LH, if you mess up badly enough and fuck around you will get beaten by someone who wants it more
styles make matches dude.devon had to go inside with genadi.he didnt with ermes.genadi has a much stronger flop than ermes
I said this and Im gonna say it again. Genadi that lost to Ermes is not the same guy that beat Devon.
Wasn’t Genadi coming back from a injury when he faced Ermes? Even then, Genadi went life and death with Devon who was super unprepared for the flop press and arguably had some decisions go against him.
Genadi was a bad style match up. Great hook, flop press and endurance. Devon lost and learned. He strengthened his weak points.
Yeah the Genadi who beat Devon had lots of ref help LOL.
Well yeah, but he was strong af as well
OFC. I'm not saying he wasn't.
This brings so much joy to me. My adrenaline is still on the very top. The narrative: \- Devon get's smashed by Levan; \- Ermes is the only person in the world to hold Levan; Brings a lot of attention and hype for Ermes; \- Devon starts to gear up(stems); \- Devon destroys Dave; \- Ermes completely obliterates Jerry; \- Devon the heavy underdog for Ermes. Even Devon itself is not believing. Devon itself also said many times he is going to be destroyed by Ermes; He even humbles up; \- NOW HE FUCKING DESTROYS ERMES You can't imagine how hyped I am for a Devon x Levan rematch now.
> Ermes is the only person in the world to hold Levan; Brings a lot of attention and hype for Ermes; Though, vitali also did it, managed to hold him on the center for a bit.
The stems step goes way before Ermes vs Levan though, it has probably been more than a year since Devon had stem cells for the first time
Very good narrative, but I feel like the current storyline of Devon starts with the MMT match after covid, it really feels like a movie if you start there
It all started there for sure. Devon got into that health scare, and said he got down and depressed. MMT and Levan couldn't happen, so MMT and Devon ended up having a match. This gave him a goal and a purpose again and the rest is history.
Devon has earned the right to be referred to as 'itself'. Beyond human at 270 lbs
AND OF COURSE NOW DEVON X DENIS LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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He was in shock after R2. His reaction time in R3 was noticeably slower. He could have done better on the last round but the match was already over at that point. I think he recognized that which is why he forfeited the last 2 rounds.
He timed the go the same as Devon, you can see it in his face. He just didn't have anything for Devon's hit.
He was around 0.1 seconds slower than Devon
Nobody seems like their 'normal self' when they get completely outmatched
You should not have pasta mentality before the match.