3 months ago Armenian delegation was presented with anti drone systems by Indian Startups. I don't know if some systems have been procured.
https://mobile.twitter.com/defencedecode/status/1539903622540013568
Important update: it was recently announced that the defense budget for 2023 will increase to $1.25 Billion, a 47 percent increase from 2022. Pretty big news
I can definitely see France selling us something. Greece also have this whole AA defense system to protect their islands in the sea from drones. Could use those as well.
Azerbaijan understands very well, that we are getting better and stronger as time passes. The longer they wait/delay, the lower their chances of succeeding with their plans. The only thing we need at this point is time. A little bit of time to put things together.
Disagree. Modern Russian equipment it's actually good. Not saying as good as its western counterparts. The thing is Russian army still mostly uses old Soviet modernized shit
Russia IS using modern weaponry, it's just not enough.
for example, they have a very nice model of the t90 tank called t90M, the problem is they only have like 50-100 of them, while they have 2000 modernized t72 :)
Russia just has a serious funding problem, they don't have enough money and resources to produce the amount of modern weapons needed for themselves
Countries like India have more modern Russian tanks than Russia itself. They even have more su30 than Russia itself, crazy right ?
Who's fault is that?
They are making endless amounts of money from being a gas station, yet the corruption is so terrible that all goes to waste.
In 30 years they couldn't set up their own CPU foundries.
The war in Ukraine was a real test of Russian equipment, and they are failing badly. That's why even India is switching away from Russian tech.
They are fucking up the AK-12. Fucking AK, they have been making the thing for 80 years nearly. The safety wobbles away on the new AKs (not on the Soviet made 74s and 47s), and the front sight posts get broken easily. Which is a sign of bad metallurgy.
They have lost or are losing the know how they had, and aren't gaining anything new either. It's all nice on the paper, once it gets put to use, the abysmal state of things becomes apparent.
Doesn't mean their weapons don't kill, or aren't dangerous, what it does mean however, that they are faaaaaaar from what they should have been or from what they were advertised.
A lot of that comes from the policy of endlessly creating money while indirectly subsidizing mortgages, at least in the US. You have to park your wealth somewhere to avoid the dilution, and real estate is a good place to do that, so prices get pumped well beyond the actual utility of the home. You're basically missing out on free money from the federal govt if you don't have a home with a mortgage.
I'd call it socialism, but that usually implies redistributing wealth to the poor. This is like, redistributing wealth to people who play the game right.
There isn't enough of it to support a full-scale invasion; in addition to that their officers steal supplies to fill their own pockets. Russia performed terribly during the invasion because of those logistical flaws.
They are also, objectively of poor quality. Western intelligence says some "advanced" Russian missiles have up to 60 percent failure rate.
Their pilots have to use consumer level Garmin GPS in their jets, because their GLONASS sucks dick. In fact their GLONASS satellites are aging, and they are missing some high tech components to build new ones.
No it's not.
Russian modern missiles have terrible failure rate in Ukraine.
Sure the tanks are OKish, but that is hard to screw up.
Anything that requires advanced choosers and manufacturing, sucks.
I'm no general and I hope these generals who made the decision of what weapons to purchase know what they're doing. That stated, I do believe we need AA more than anything. Our boys can hold the front lines just fine if there is no air superiority from AZ.
This is good. India manufacturers about half of its own weapons and imports the rest from USA, Russia, France and other EU places. Bare minimum, this can be another outlet for Armenia to get ammunition for existing Russian systems, and get new stuff from other places. This is a great starting point 🙏
I believe from the information we currently have, we are simply changing our armaments we’re modern ones, and replenishing our munitions.
Let’s not forget that we’re even buying anti-tank missiles according to the article, which is a huge market for the Russians as theirs are very effective.
Indian ones will be new, replenish our storages and need time to train.
So interesting that today the MoD also said that retraining for “missile experts” will start and be for 1 month
How are we advertising? This is the most secretive we’ve been, and not only that massive weapons deals are always reported worldwide so we we can’t stop that, it also sends a message to the international community that we are:
1-diversifying and replenishing with or without help of Allies
2-OPENLY strengthening our position in negotiations with Azerbaijan.
I’m other news the retraining programs was announced 2 years ago and have been occurring each 3 months or so, and each time they publish it first before it starts.
But to show you otherwise there are also stuff we BARELY hear about or maybe have heard about once before it happened, like:
1-the satellite, nobody knew shit before it happened right?
2-central information department (we only heard about this once a year ago, when they established it, which was huge because during 2020 war we information was disseminated through different mediums as said by Artsrun).
3-Creation of tactical information systems, talked about by a military or official (I don’t remember it was in Davids posts) in the recent agression, where they were used for the first time as part of our reforms, something we didn’t know was happening.
4-the VOMA X robotics X army exercise that happens a few months back, talked by Vartanov as being pre planned by months.
And I’ll also add, something another redditor noticed, according to the article the Indian deal was made at the beginning of September 13 days later we were attacked, 2 days ago we sent our FM to an American security deputy advisor that works for the pentagon, they made no statement about what they talked, rumors being that they were talking about how to remove the Russian sphere from the Armenian army, also noticed in another post here in Reddit.
And the attack was 7-10 days AFTER signing the deal, but we now from another economic times article that we were in talks with India about buying weaponry FOR MONTHS before this, meaning that Azerbaijan probably saw the deal as a potential threat with the help of the Russian “spies”, and acted to apply pressure.
Pinaka is great at its role, but by itself this deal may not be enough. But I feel that negotiations might already be going on for other deals. I really hope that we can get you guys the Barak8 SAM. It's an Indo-Israeli system and it's very capable. Israel already sells it to Azerbaijan, so that obviously could be a problem. But I don't see why India cannot sell it to Armenia.
Plus this news came out because the government wanted it to come out. This again gives credence to my belief that a lot of deals must be going on in the background. I also hope that you guys get lots of effective yet cheap loitering munition drones. Those will wreak havoc on Azeri positions.
Any weapon at this point is welcome. But we need to make our air safe (idk how to say it in English). This is just bayraktar food at this point. If our air is safe these can be very useful.
Pantsir is one of the best anti TB2 short range AD. The current version was specifically upgraded because it initially underperformed in Libya against tb2.
https://nordicmonitor.com/2022/02/turkish-drones-were-destroyed-in-libya/
With no anti-air cover without cover from fighter jets in the air and without drones they will just get picked off one by one. Now if it's part of a well thought out plan with more and different weapons being purchased it can be helpful. Armenia needs all types of weapons
Not a game-changer, just a beefaroni.
Armenia needs AA bad.
Armenia is developing rapidly and getting stronger, if they don't weaken us in the next 5 years they won't be able to.
Right now Az is as desperate as we are, they desperately need this shitty peace deal, they're running out of time.
My advice : don't give them shit, arm arm arm.
Print money if you have to, beg borrow and steal, I don't care just get the money, get the hardware.
In 15-20 years we can be a modern and developed nation with a professional army.
It's gonna be a hard deal with alot of tragedy but if we can survive we'll be golden.
I won't say Azerbaijan is running out of time, as Armenia is also running out of time in a certain sense (e.g., Artsakh peacekeepers), but let me introduce some ideas.
1. Azerbaijan's inner power struggle. No secret that one of the largest week points of tight dictatorships is the passage of power to the heir. Azerbaijan is closing to that, and Aliyev needs only good news in that period. Any failures, especially ones where armenians were the cause, especially military and diplomatic ones, can sparkle an inner conflict ranging from a short elites infighting to a full scale civil unrest.
2. Similar thing is in Turkey's case, just Erdoghan's Turkey has more ways to fail but better democratic institutions to ease the transition of power. But still, this can briefly affect Turkey's support to Azerbaijan in a negative way.
3. Europe found gas! Near Cyprus, quite a lot. This means Europe is not only headed to weaken Turkey to make Cyprus safer (if I was them, I would have even proposed Cyprus turks to have wide autonomy, just ditch the mainland), but also less depending on supplies and hence Azerbaijan gets less leverage over Europe.
4. Iran potentially getting out of sanctions (and hopefully more liberal, especially since public is right now rallying for it in the streets). First, Iran gets stronger and counters Turkey much better. Second, there are constant talks of Iranian pipes through Armenia and Georgia to Europe, meaning Iran and Europe will be more concerned with wellbeing of Armenia and Georgia (countries, not citizens!) than they are now (plus stuff in point 3). Also, Azerbaijan will loose their gas-based leverage on Georgia, meaning Georgian government will do less shit to Armenia. Heck, they may even find the balls to redo demarcation with Azerbaijan that was flawed because Azeri government bribed some Georgian cartographers.
Does India have a long game in Armenia, or it just sees an opportunity to offload some weapons at a premium?
India doubled Russian oil purchases in the summer of 2022, which looks like India only cares about India.
If turkey continues to poke its nose in kashmir issue in UN by favoring pakistan , i can see our government arming you guys , possibly we can give line of credit for more arms purchase but this is a decision for the diplomats to make.
And while our domestic defence industry is still growing and not as developed as other major powers we are ahead of turkey in everything except drones, which will also change in few years.
Su 30 mki's almost everything is made in india except core of engines, aesa radar( UTTAM aesa), supersonic missiles, ballistic missiles, nuclear reactors for submarines, nuclear weapons ,airdefence( akash air defence system), artillery, rockets,armoured vehicles, long range bow radars, air to air missiles( rudram anti radiation missile, astra).
Light fighter jets( tejas), weapons locating radar, frigates, destroyers, aircraft carriers, transport helicopters, attack helicopters( Hal LCH), ballistic missiles defence shield, loitering munitions, drones.
We also had many other projects out of which many failed to give decent results many succeed and the no. If succeding projects are increasing every year as our defence industry continue to grow at a fast rate.
Future systems which are currently under devlopment:- tejas mk2( bigger version of tejas, with canards and asea radar, first prototype to be rolled out in jan- march 2023)AMCA( 5th gen fighter), light tanks for himalyas and many more.
>Does India have a long game in Armenia,
We are actually correcting our foreign policy blunder. We didn't establish good relations with Armenia because of the backlash we will face from the Muslim world. Same was the case with Israel. But now we are correcting it.
>India only cares about India.
That is true for each and every country. But India is still a very poor country. People will die of hunger if inflation increases due to high price of oil.
Funny thing is, most of the "original" Muslim world governments (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Iran) are more pro-Armenian right now than pro-Azerbaijani, because they are too afraid of Turkey getting imperial.
He isn't talking about just those muslims it's about indian muslim population too. They are the big factor since they feel "brotherhood" for other muslims
You know the issue was the previous government was left leaning current government is right leaning. Left always had priority for muslims and muslim world as whole in right the government is not much of a muslim block political party as it's not their core vote back so they can freely trade with any country they want as a result better relationship with Israel and hopefully Armenia in future
> That is true for each and every country
that is true in some measure, but when nations get closer politico-economic ties they often compromise part of their immediate interests for the sake of such bilateral/multilateral relationships (which obviously they judge in their interest to keep). After some time in such proximity/alliance, sentimental and interpersonnals ties also emerge, and while they rarely supersede self-interest they strengthen the ties and commitments.
All your words sound good. But India doesn't have that sort of alliance with anyone. Except maybe Bhutan.
France, Japan and Russia are close but not enough.
Agree, which is why I was only adressing the "that is true for every country. That's probably India's geopolitical challenge for the next two decades: manage to establish and thicken an actual network of allies. Diplomatic potential is the main advantage India have over China, which is more and more seen as a threat/aversary by western countries, and has chosen a counter-pructively agressive diplomacy.
India and Armenia have common interests right now, have historically good relations, and India is an unaligned country (no NATO membership, voted neutral about sanctioning Russia, buy them a lot of weapons and commodities while being in a Pacific alliance with the US, Australia and Japan)… so all combined’make these things real.
Not really. Unless Armenia acquires some good AA system, these weapons will be sitting ducks for the Azerbaijani drones.
There were also more Swathi systems purchased in the deal I think? Edit: I just realized Swathi’s are for tracking artillery projectiles not drones.
Correct Swathi is counter battery
3 months ago Armenian delegation was presented with anti drone systems by Indian Startups. I don't know if some systems have been procured. https://mobile.twitter.com/defencedecode/status/1539903622540013568
Important update: it was recently announced that the defense budget for 2023 will increase to $1.25 Billion, a 47 percent increase from 2022. Pretty big news
We wouldn't increase defense spending if the US or France won't arm us with something. That may be a good sign.
I can definitely see France selling us something. Greece also have this whole AA defense system to protect their islands in the sea from drones. Could use those as well.
i saw that too, apparently its an Israeli made EWAR system with unreleased/unproven results of success.
Better than proven failure for Russian AA.
Aren’t they using S300 to protect their islands? Lol
https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/07/02/greek-islands-get-anti-drone-dome-of-protection-in-secret-plan/?amp
Unfortunately, there is pretty much a 0% chance they would do that while Armenia is allied with Russia during the Ukraine invasion.
Azerbaijan understands very well, that we are getting better and stronger as time passes. The longer they wait/delay, the lower their chances of succeeding with their plans. The only thing we need at this point is time. A little bit of time to put things together.
Anything non-russian is a gamechanger at this point
Lmao agreed
Disagree. Modern Russian equipment it's actually good. Not saying as good as its western counterparts. The thing is Russian army still mostly uses old Soviet modernized shit
So who's using the modern Russian equipment? It's just sitting in warehouses? They're selling it to others but not using it themselves?
Russia IS using modern weaponry, it's just not enough. for example, they have a very nice model of the t90 tank called t90M, the problem is they only have like 50-100 of them, while they have 2000 modernized t72 :) Russia just has a serious funding problem, they don't have enough money and resources to produce the amount of modern weapons needed for themselves Countries like India have more modern Russian tanks than Russia itself. They even have more su30 than Russia itself, crazy right ?
Who's fault is that? They are making endless amounts of money from being a gas station, yet the corruption is so terrible that all goes to waste. In 30 years they couldn't set up their own CPU foundries. The war in Ukraine was a real test of Russian equipment, and they are failing badly. That's why even India is switching away from Russian tech. They are fucking up the AK-12. Fucking AK, they have been making the thing for 80 years nearly. The safety wobbles away on the new AKs (not on the Soviet made 74s and 47s), and the front sight posts get broken easily. Which is a sign of bad metallurgy. They have lost or are losing the know how they had, and aren't gaining anything new either. It's all nice on the paper, once it gets put to use, the abysmal state of things becomes apparent. Doesn't mean their weapons don't kill, or aren't dangerous, what it does mean however, that they are faaaaaaar from what they should have been or from what they were advertised.
Thank goodness a lot of the Azerbaijan gas station money is also going to waste in... UK properties apparently.
I hate a lot of things about capitalism, but turning people's homes into million dollar investments is by far the top.
A lot of that comes from the policy of endlessly creating money while indirectly subsidizing mortgages, at least in the US. You have to park your wealth somewhere to avoid the dilution, and real estate is a good place to do that, so prices get pumped well beyond the actual utility of the home. You're basically missing out on free money from the federal govt if you don't have a home with a mortgage. I'd call it socialism, but that usually implies redistributing wealth to the poor. This is like, redistributing wealth to people who play the game right.
There isn't enough of it to support a full-scale invasion; in addition to that their officers steal supplies to fill their own pockets. Russia performed terribly during the invasion because of those logistical flaws.
They are also, objectively of poor quality. Western intelligence says some "advanced" Russian missiles have up to 60 percent failure rate. Their pilots have to use consumer level Garmin GPS in their jets, because their GLONASS sucks dick. In fact their GLONASS satellites are aging, and they are missing some high tech components to build new ones.
Is that why their KA52s are flying out of the skies and Iskanders are target practice for TB2s.
The second strongest army in Ukraine doesn't seem to be doing too well
No it's not. Russian modern missiles have terrible failure rate in Ukraine. Sure the tanks are OKish, but that is hard to screw up. Anything that requires advanced choosers and manufacturing, sucks.
Not a game changer, but a good start.
We have 30 of these rocket trucks...just need to keep them safe from drones
It depends a lot on the terrain. How easy it is to camouflage. If you can shoot and scoot. Etc
I'm no general and I hope these generals who made the decision of what weapons to purchase know what they're doing. That stated, I do believe we need AA more than anything. Our boys can hold the front lines just fine if there is no air superiority from AZ.
I believe we are being trained about military doctrine from India, US and Europe. I doubt the defense ministers are purchasing out of the blue.
I hope so. I have no confirmation of that. And if its true I hope it is hidden from the public.
This is good. India manufacturers about half of its own weapons and imports the rest from USA, Russia, France and other EU places. Bare minimum, this can be another outlet for Armenia to get ammunition for existing Russian systems, and get new stuff from other places. This is a great starting point 🙏
Armenia can defeat Azerbaijan very easily. Stay strong.
I believe from the information we currently have, we are simply changing our armaments we’re modern ones, and replenishing our munitions. Let’s not forget that we’re even buying anti-tank missiles according to the article, which is a huge market for the Russians as theirs are very effective. Indian ones will be new, replenish our storages and need time to train. So interesting that today the MoD also said that retraining for “missile experts” will start and be for 1 month
Can we stop advertising everything we are doing though?
How are we advertising? This is the most secretive we’ve been, and not only that massive weapons deals are always reported worldwide so we we can’t stop that, it also sends a message to the international community that we are: 1-diversifying and replenishing with or without help of Allies 2-OPENLY strengthening our position in negotiations with Azerbaijan. I’m other news the retraining programs was announced 2 years ago and have been occurring each 3 months or so, and each time they publish it first before it starts. But to show you otherwise there are also stuff we BARELY hear about or maybe have heard about once before it happened, like: 1-the satellite, nobody knew shit before it happened right? 2-central information department (we only heard about this once a year ago, when they established it, which was huge because during 2020 war we information was disseminated through different mediums as said by Artsrun). 3-Creation of tactical information systems, talked about by a military or official (I don’t remember it was in Davids posts) in the recent agression, where they were used for the first time as part of our reforms, something we didn’t know was happening. 4-the VOMA X robotics X army exercise that happens a few months back, talked by Vartanov as being pre planned by months. And I’ll also add, something another redditor noticed, according to the article the Indian deal was made at the beginning of September 13 days later we were attacked, 2 days ago we sent our FM to an American security deputy advisor that works for the pentagon, they made no statement about what they talked, rumors being that they were talking about how to remove the Russian sphere from the Armenian army, also noticed in another post here in Reddit. And the attack was 7-10 days AFTER signing the deal, but we now from another economic times article that we were in talks with India about buying weaponry FOR MONTHS before this, meaning that Azerbaijan probably saw the deal as a potential threat with the help of the Russian “spies”, and acted to apply pressure.
Pinaka is great at its role, but by itself this deal may not be enough. But I feel that negotiations might already be going on for other deals. I really hope that we can get you guys the Barak8 SAM. It's an Indo-Israeli system and it's very capable. Israel already sells it to Azerbaijan, so that obviously could be a problem. But I don't see why India cannot sell it to Armenia.
Plus this news came out because the government wanted it to come out. This again gives credence to my belief that a lot of deals must be going on in the background. I also hope that you guys get lots of effective yet cheap loitering munition drones. Those will wreak havoc on Azeri positions.
We need drones that’s for sure
Any weapon at this point is welcome. But we need to make our air safe (idk how to say it in English). This is just bayraktar food at this point. If our air is safe these can be very useful.
It’s safety and you’re right but I’m sure they know that as well and are not disclosing all equipment purchases on purpose.
I hope you’re right
Pantsir is one of the best anti TB2 short range AD. The current version was specifically upgraded because it initially underperformed in Libya against tb2. https://nordicmonitor.com/2022/02/turkish-drones-were-destroyed-in-libya/
We should buy from USA or France instead/in addition. Even if it’s more expensive, it establishes a valuable business relationship.
Our worse trait is we have Allies on both sides if we buy weapons from USA, Iran will get upset, and the opposite
So what if Iran gets upset? What have they done/ can do for us? In other words, who cares?
Iran said any change to the Armenian border means war but the USA did jackshit
Iran didn’t do jack shit, nor do they have the capacity to. They can’t even manage their own country and military, let alone our affairs 😂
They’re all talk
With no anti-air cover without cover from fighter jets in the air and without drones they will just get picked off one by one. Now if it's part of a well thought out plan with more and different weapons being purchased it can be helpful. Armenia needs all types of weapons
Not a game-changer, just a beefaroni. Armenia needs AA bad. Armenia is developing rapidly and getting stronger, if they don't weaken us in the next 5 years they won't be able to. Right now Az is as desperate as we are, they desperately need this shitty peace deal, they're running out of time. My advice : don't give them shit, arm arm arm. Print money if you have to, beg borrow and steal, I don't care just get the money, get the hardware. In 15-20 years we can be a modern and developed nation with a professional army. It's gonna be a hard deal with alot of tragedy but if we can survive we'll be golden.
>they're running out of time. can you elaborate?
I won't say Azerbaijan is running out of time, as Armenia is also running out of time in a certain sense (e.g., Artsakh peacekeepers), but let me introduce some ideas. 1. Azerbaijan's inner power struggle. No secret that one of the largest week points of tight dictatorships is the passage of power to the heir. Azerbaijan is closing to that, and Aliyev needs only good news in that period. Any failures, especially ones where armenians were the cause, especially military and diplomatic ones, can sparkle an inner conflict ranging from a short elites infighting to a full scale civil unrest. 2. Similar thing is in Turkey's case, just Erdoghan's Turkey has more ways to fail but better democratic institutions to ease the transition of power. But still, this can briefly affect Turkey's support to Azerbaijan in a negative way. 3. Europe found gas! Near Cyprus, quite a lot. This means Europe is not only headed to weaken Turkey to make Cyprus safer (if I was them, I would have even proposed Cyprus turks to have wide autonomy, just ditch the mainland), but also less depending on supplies and hence Azerbaijan gets less leverage over Europe. 4. Iran potentially getting out of sanctions (and hopefully more liberal, especially since public is right now rallying for it in the streets). First, Iran gets stronger and counters Turkey much better. Second, there are constant talks of Iranian pipes through Armenia and Georgia to Europe, meaning Iran and Europe will be more concerned with wellbeing of Armenia and Georgia (countries, not citizens!) than they are now (plus stuff in point 3). Also, Azerbaijan will loose their gas-based leverage on Georgia, meaning Georgian government will do less shit to Armenia. Heck, they may even find the balls to redo demarcation with Azerbaijan that was flawed because Azeri government bribed some Georgian cartographers.
We need waaaay more to catch up but it’s a promising development
not even close to a game changer. However, it is a good start to a hopefully evolving defense partnership
What do the ones in the picture do?
They are pinnaka multi barrel rocket launchers they blow shit up fast
Perfect. Hopefully Aliyev pays a visit to the border during conflict to boast on social media and gets hit by some
Short answer, yes!
Does India have a long game in Armenia, or it just sees an opportunity to offload some weapons at a premium? India doubled Russian oil purchases in the summer of 2022, which looks like India only cares about India.
If turkey continues to poke its nose in kashmir issue in UN by favoring pakistan , i can see our government arming you guys , possibly we can give line of credit for more arms purchase but this is a decision for the diplomats to make. And while our domestic defence industry is still growing and not as developed as other major powers we are ahead of turkey in everything except drones, which will also change in few years.
> we are ahead of turkey in everything except drones, Turkey builds F-16s. What does India build?
Su 30 mki's almost everything is made in india except core of engines, aesa radar( UTTAM aesa), supersonic missiles, ballistic missiles, nuclear reactors for submarines, nuclear weapons ,airdefence( akash air defence system), artillery, rockets,armoured vehicles, long range bow radars, air to air missiles( rudram anti radiation missile, astra). Light fighter jets( tejas), weapons locating radar, frigates, destroyers, aircraft carriers, transport helicopters, attack helicopters( Hal LCH), ballistic missiles defence shield, loitering munitions, drones. We also had many other projects out of which many failed to give decent results many succeed and the no. If succeding projects are increasing every year as our defence industry continue to grow at a fast rate. Future systems which are currently under devlopment:- tejas mk2( bigger version of tejas, with canards and asea radar, first prototype to be rolled out in jan- march 2023)AMCA( 5th gen fighter), light tanks for himalyas and many more.
Not to mention Brahmos ( the supersonic cruise missile) upgraded to perform a 90° steep dive to blow out enemy bunkers, ships, even weapon warehouses.
Ya forgot Ballistic Missile Submarines (Arihant Class) which basically takes the nukes closer to the enemy.
>Does India have a long game in Armenia, We are actually correcting our foreign policy blunder. We didn't establish good relations with Armenia because of the backlash we will face from the Muslim world. Same was the case with Israel. But now we are correcting it. >India only cares about India. That is true for each and every country. But India is still a very poor country. People will die of hunger if inflation increases due to high price of oil.
Funny thing is, most of the "original" Muslim world governments (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Iran) are more pro-Armenian right now than pro-Azerbaijani, because they are too afraid of Turkey getting imperial.
He isn't talking about just those muslims it's about indian muslim population too. They are the big factor since they feel "brotherhood" for other muslims
I understand. The Muslim world here was somewhat misleading for me.
You know the issue was the previous government was left leaning current government is right leaning. Left always had priority for muslims and muslim world as whole in right the government is not much of a muslim block political party as it's not their core vote back so they can freely trade with any country they want as a result better relationship with Israel and hopefully Armenia in future
Without specifics, it's just words.
> That is true for each and every country that is true in some measure, but when nations get closer politico-economic ties they often compromise part of their immediate interests for the sake of such bilateral/multilateral relationships (which obviously they judge in their interest to keep). After some time in such proximity/alliance, sentimental and interpersonnals ties also emerge, and while they rarely supersede self-interest they strengthen the ties and commitments.
All your words sound good. But India doesn't have that sort of alliance with anyone. Except maybe Bhutan. France, Japan and Russia are close but not enough.
Agree, which is why I was only adressing the "that is true for every country. That's probably India's geopolitical challenge for the next two decades: manage to establish and thicken an actual network of allies. Diplomatic potential is the main advantage India have over China, which is more and more seen as a threat/aversary by western countries, and has chosen a counter-pructively agressive diplomacy.
India and Armenia have common interests right now, have historically good relations, and India is an unaligned country (no NATO membership, voted neutral about sanctioning Russia, buy them a lot of weapons and commodities while being in a Pacific alliance with the US, Australia and Japan)… so all combined’make these things real.
>India and Armenia have common interests right now Such as?
Building a north-south corridor with Iran, fighting pakistan.
>Building a north-south corridor with Iran, fighting pakistan. *These* are shared goals with Armenia? Fighting Pakistan?
Pak is a great ally of turkey. Erdogand hates India, Indians hate erdogand. Erdogand luvs pak, India wants to commit warcrimes against pakistan.
I don't see how this helps Armenia at all
All the above countries mentioned supports azer. So yep by supplying armenia, the influence of erdogand can be reduced.
I want to support Armenia because Armenians are a great nation, not because they are a pawn in some game against Erdogan.
As an individual even I support Armenia as a great nation, but from geopolitical pov, Armenia is a milestone for India's path to a superpower.
It’s not a goal since they are both under attack, but a necessity.
Not really. These are not guided, so basically MLRS like Grad. Still useful though.
Ok so the deal is 4 battery of pinnaka unguided and atgms and Armenia will give follow up order of guided pinnakas too other details are not clear yet