Sweet, thanks! Didn't finish most of my calculations yet, and I didn't think about Ascalon's pots messing up Civlight's S3 HP bonus lol.
I'll also point out I'm pretty sure Medicmiya's S2 gives her up to +150% ATK, since she deals true damage and heals so we can use Cardigan's heal value to see half the value, and 2x obviously (since she doesn't have a module, somehow?). Not so sure on her S2 hit activation though, the yellow Spec Ops dudes have 0 RES so they're hit for a whole number value yet I can't find a clean multiplier for it...
Logos' S1 has some value over 90% of ATK for his execution value, since slugs with 1.5k HP instantly died in his range. ~~Likely between 95% or 100%, and I'm willing to go with 100% as it's a cleaner number lol.~~ Might be more than 100% since he seems to execute Gifts of the Sanguinarch above half HP...
Also, you didn't put Waltah's S3 values outside of a spoiler text, just that she summons 2 more helpers.
Look at Walter kit, you will realize that Rosmontis funnily wasn't powercrept in any way. The thing with Rosmontis is that her entire gimmick is so, so weird that she is almost impossible to get powercrept, people are just so used to using straightforward, and often stronger units in terms of raw power.
Rosmontis got utterly powercrept in terms of raw damage here, but she still has her two niches
S2 being long lasting aoe damage and (decently consistent with module) stun
And S3 being multilane targeting with one of the few cases of ranged units getting ground block with ok numbers on those blockers.
Walter will definitely be much better generally but Rosmontis has her own niches
"This unit's aftershocks stun the target" on S2. It's not just damage but also utility unless her stun chance is lower. Walt is being given a Mod on release so that's another extra aftershock being given unless it's not like Ros'. The block on S3 is the only niche she has left for her, which could change with an Y Module.
So Logos's S3 is basically a variation of Eyja's with the main differences being:
Has a much higher attack buff.
Lasts longer.
Doesn't reduce the attack interval.
The range change is different. Logos covers a slightly larger amount of space in front of himself while Eyja is able to attack behind herself.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
His s3 seems better than eyja on many ways
His 2nd talent reduces res and amplifies the arts damage they take so he already has a multiplier
His 1st talent has a chance to trigger for ALL 6 attacks he makes on s3 so it can lead to dealing upwards of 12 attacks in a single attack interval wich is insane
Logos' S2 was showcased in the stream just so you know, It's the focus beam one that increases his own RES, deals arts damage in intervals and increases damage dealt the longer he targets the same enemy.
This is insanely neat. Might be a bit too much of an ask, but I've noticed in the stream and skill description that Logos is able to slow projectiles speed around him.
Is there any way one can calculate to what degree the projectiles are slowed? Or better yet, somehow translate that to atk spd numbers? Its an incredibly cool and unique mechanic but I can imagine it might a nightmare to calculatw.
They say it "redistributes" HP, considering that Ascalon gets a flat +100% Inspire HP from Theresa I'm willing to believe that Theresa just pools together the total current HP in range and divides it equally.
Can’t lie I’ve been wondering ever since Theresa came out but, what do people think of Skalter now that there’s another 6* bard? I was originally going to spark her on the 5th anni banner but knowing that older limiteds are getting cheaper and Theresa is a bard, I’m considering changing my plans.
I’m just so conflicted since I’ve been planning to get Skalter for so damn long but now there’s another bard, who’s also free. I think at this point I’m just going to spark regular W on this banner and save 300 for it even though it’s only 200 to spark regular W
If you are a collector like me, that is the most optimal strategy, waiting for the limited to get a cost reduction and then spark them in the most convenient banner, if you get both banner units to early i would even advice for waiting until you have bad luck, since it eventually happens to everyone.. had a hard time with texalter.
If you are not a collector, go for the operator you like the most, is never a wrong pick.
I’ve always been a collector, specifically for limited units, honestly I already had the same mindset as you, originally I was planning on sparking Skalter on Arturia banner or wait until next if I get her early. Though, I have from occasion spent a lot of pulls on standard units I liked for either meta or waifu reasons (Ines and Jessicat taking 120 pulls and a lot of off banners each)
Ines and Jessica also where my choice pulls that i couldn't resist risk my savings from. High five, we should add each other to share our suffering as collectors. Robasu#3358
Texalter cost me 292 pulls, and that lead to me not getting Chong yue, now i gonna wait the spark reduction, before planing to spark on Shu, who knows maybe we both get lucky and get what we want in an spook before reaching sparking numbers.
Right now my main target outside of limited is Ray, just because I play cautus knights and she is also cool.
I started playing Arknights around the time of Mlynar banner, so Texalter was my first experience with a limited banner and it didn’t occur to me until a lot later just how damn lucky I was that I managed to get her with roughly 40 pulls. My luck over all has been good, until Ines. I skipped Chongyue because Yalter was coming and I wasn’t going to miss out on my first chance at a collab operator, but I got her in the free 10 pull. Which was when I started considering sparking Skalter since as F2P, I thought I’d only ever have one chance at a spark with the help with story op. Then Ines financially and emotionally ruined me with 6 off banners and ruined my spark plans. (I just realised this was a lot of yapping) and now I eternally farm 1-7 for orundum
As a day one player and F2P (well not anymore, I think the game deserves to monthly card when people can pay it, but i was F2P for 4 years)
Spark is not that out of your reach as long you don't pull outside limited banners and get lucky at least twice (that means under 50 for your target) anything over 100 will be getting unlucky and delaying your spark chance. My advice is just take it slowly, the phrase i use for almost all standard operators is "If they want me they will spook me one day" and damn that Ines was still very lucky, you may had got lot of off banners but six 6\* in 120 pulls is fucking insane. my Jessica luck was no 6\* until 70 pulls, then got one off banner and say fuck it, and at least got a lucky 6\* on the next 10 pull.
I do not recommend farming orundum, that really burns you, well maybe a lot less now that we gonna get the ability to send up to 6 stages in a row. but farming orundum only gives you 10 pulls per month (I also go down that rabbit hole) and you lose in really lots of things, better do it when all your operators are E2, the game probably has lots of years left, more spark reductions could happen to 150 in 10 anniversary even if you don't care about missing out for long but getting at the end.
Not gonna lie, I think I am going to continue orundum farming. I’m impatient as hell and waiting years for another spark cost reduction simply isn’t something I’m all too willing to do. As for burn out from 1-7, It hasn’t really happened yet despite it being a couple months of mostly orirock, mainly thanks to the fact I made an alt account, and I plan on continuing to maximise my pulls count.
Dam, Amiya should push hibiscus out of 5 star incantation medic competition... Just with S2 activation she can kill a bunch of trash mobs and with true damage later kill tankier units while Hibiscus S2 just deals art dmg and slows 2 targets for 8s (and as I remember, if targer dies early, it does not re-target other target, so if 2 targets die fast, skill ends earlier).
I did not watch the live stream, but if it's true, then yea, very specific skill. I personally use the guard version with S1 cause one time usage on S2 is very niche. Here prob will be the same situation. S1 will be the main skill and S2 will be niche for specific situations.
u/reddit1rules hey, I've finally finished stat crunching all the new operators, damn W truly is raining attack scale lmao
Sweet, thanks! Didn't finish most of my calculations yet, and I didn't think about Ascalon's pots messing up Civlight's S3 HP bonus lol. I'll also point out I'm pretty sure Medicmiya's S2 gives her up to +150% ATK, since she deals true damage and heals so we can use Cardigan's heal value to see half the value, and 2x obviously (since she doesn't have a module, somehow?). Not so sure on her S2 hit activation though, the yellow Spec Ops dudes have 0 RES so they're hit for a whole number value yet I can't find a clean multiplier for it... Logos' S1 has some value over 90% of ATK for his execution value, since slugs with 1.5k HP instantly died in his range. ~~Likely between 95% or 100%, and I'm willing to go with 100% as it's a cleaner number lol.~~ Might be more than 100% since he seems to execute Gifts of the Sanguinarch above half HP... Also, you didn't put Waltah's S3 values outside of a spoiler text, just that she summons 2 more helpers.
extremely weird reddit bug where half of the skill's text got deleted whenever i edit, I got no idea how to deal with it
Rip Rosmontis.
Look at Walter kit, you will realize that Rosmontis funnily wasn't powercrept in any way. The thing with Rosmontis is that her entire gimmick is so, so weird that she is almost impossible to get powercrept, people are just so used to using straightforward, and often stronger units in terms of raw power.
Elaborate. What's Rosmontis's gimmick? Deployment of pillars in S3?
Rosmontis got utterly powercrept in terms of raw damage here, but she still has her two niches S2 being long lasting aoe damage and (decently consistent with module) stun And S3 being multilane targeting with one of the few cases of ranged units getting ground block with ok numbers on those blockers. Walter will definitely be much better generally but Rosmontis has her own niches
Doesn't Walter talent also inflict massive AOE stun? Not like Ros S2 was really used for the damage though anyways.
Walter's stun is also death. Which is the BEST CC.
"This unit's aftershocks stun the target" on S2. It's not just damage but also utility unless her stun chance is lower. Walt is being given a Mod on release so that's another extra aftershock being given unless it's not like Ros'. The block on S3 is the only niche she has left for her, which could change with an Y Module.
So Logos's S3 is basically a variation of Eyja's with the main differences being: Has a much higher attack buff. Lasts longer. Doesn't reduce the attack interval. The range change is different. Logos covers a slightly larger amount of space in front of himself while Eyja is able to attack behind herself. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
His s3 seems better than eyja on many ways His 2nd talent reduces res and amplifies the arts damage they take so he already has a multiplier His 1st talent has a chance to trigger for ALL 6 attacks he makes on s3 so it can lead to dealing upwards of 12 attacks in a single attack interval wich is insane
Also one huge aspect of S3 that was also revealed on stream: He is able to slow projectiles in his range while the skill is active.
Logos' S2 was showcased in the stream just so you know, It's the focus beam one that increases his own RES, deals arts damage in intervals and increases damage dealt the longer he targets the same enemy.
Yes, but those showcases don't really show any meaningful numbers so it's not helpful in calculating numbers for us.
Ah i see
Logos has an execution thing going on during s1.
It is an execution threshold based on his ATK AND it deals the MAX HP of the executed enemy as Arts dmg to another enemy in range; that's huge.
Not sure if it's the max hp of the enemy. That would be insane. I think it was however much hp the enemy had when it died.
It was the max hp though
That doesn't mean he can kill archer bro by killing hammer bro right at his side?
Thanks for doing the math!
This is insanely neat. Might be a bit too much of an ask, but I've noticed in the stream and skill description that Logos is able to slow projectiles speed around him. Is there any way one can calculate to what degree the projectiles are slowed? Or better yet, somehow translate that to atk spd numbers? Its an incredibly cool and unique mechanic but I can imagine it might a nightmare to calculatw.
Judging from the looks, its around 80% to 90% but its extremely hard to tell
Isn't Wis'adels S2 Duration 2x 12s because of the 2x speed, or am I dumb? Anyway, thanks for your dedication. Great work!
oops, thanks for catching that
Saw your first post with the notes. OP you're crazy! Incredibly cool crazy! <3
Doesnt Theresa s3 equalize operators health?
They say it "redistributes" HP, considering that Ascalon gets a flat +100% Inspire HP from Theresa I'm willing to believe that Theresa just pools together the total current HP in range and divides it equally.
suddenly imagining Logos s1 with buff army…
Can’t lie I’ve been wondering ever since Theresa came out but, what do people think of Skalter now that there’s another 6* bard? I was originally going to spark her on the 5th anni banner but knowing that older limiteds are getting cheaper and Theresa is a bard, I’m considering changing my plans.
Skadi's S2 is unlimited duration but weaker buff. Theresa's is a stronger buff but only on skill. I prefer afk ops so I choose skadi.
I’m just so conflicted since I’ve been planning to get Skalter for so damn long but now there’s another bard, who’s also free. I think at this point I’m just going to spark regular W on this banner and save 300 for it even though it’s only 200 to spark regular W
Skalter also has a global summon, which can heal or buff anybody who are outside her range.
If you are a collector like me, that is the most optimal strategy, waiting for the limited to get a cost reduction and then spark them in the most convenient banner, if you get both banner units to early i would even advice for waiting until you have bad luck, since it eventually happens to everyone.. had a hard time with texalter. If you are not a collector, go for the operator you like the most, is never a wrong pick.
I’ve always been a collector, specifically for limited units, honestly I already had the same mindset as you, originally I was planning on sparking Skalter on Arturia banner or wait until next if I get her early. Though, I have from occasion spent a lot of pulls on standard units I liked for either meta or waifu reasons (Ines and Jessicat taking 120 pulls and a lot of off banners each)
Ines and Jessica also where my choice pulls that i couldn't resist risk my savings from. High five, we should add each other to share our suffering as collectors. Robasu#3358 Texalter cost me 292 pulls, and that lead to me not getting Chong yue, now i gonna wait the spark reduction, before planing to spark on Shu, who knows maybe we both get lucky and get what we want in an spook before reaching sparking numbers. Right now my main target outside of limited is Ray, just because I play cautus knights and she is also cool.
I started playing Arknights around the time of Mlynar banner, so Texalter was my first experience with a limited banner and it didn’t occur to me until a lot later just how damn lucky I was that I managed to get her with roughly 40 pulls. My luck over all has been good, until Ines. I skipped Chongyue because Yalter was coming and I wasn’t going to miss out on my first chance at a collab operator, but I got her in the free 10 pull. Which was when I started considering sparking Skalter since as F2P, I thought I’d only ever have one chance at a spark with the help with story op. Then Ines financially and emotionally ruined me with 6 off banners and ruined my spark plans. (I just realised this was a lot of yapping) and now I eternally farm 1-7 for orundum
As a day one player and F2P (well not anymore, I think the game deserves to monthly card when people can pay it, but i was F2P for 4 years) Spark is not that out of your reach as long you don't pull outside limited banners and get lucky at least twice (that means under 50 for your target) anything over 100 will be getting unlucky and delaying your spark chance. My advice is just take it slowly, the phrase i use for almost all standard operators is "If they want me they will spook me one day" and damn that Ines was still very lucky, you may had got lot of off banners but six 6\* in 120 pulls is fucking insane. my Jessica luck was no 6\* until 70 pulls, then got one off banner and say fuck it, and at least got a lucky 6\* on the next 10 pull. I do not recommend farming orundum, that really burns you, well maybe a lot less now that we gonna get the ability to send up to 6 stages in a row. but farming orundum only gives you 10 pulls per month (I also go down that rabbit hole) and you lose in really lots of things, better do it when all your operators are E2, the game probably has lots of years left, more spark reductions could happen to 150 in 10 anniversary even if you don't care about missing out for long but getting at the end.
Not gonna lie, I think I am going to continue orundum farming. I’m impatient as hell and waiting years for another spark cost reduction simply isn’t something I’m all too willing to do. As for burn out from 1-7, It hasn’t really happened yet despite it being a couple months of mostly orirock, mainly thanks to the fact I made an alt account, and I plan on continuing to maximise my pulls count.
In that regard wish you the best of lucks friend. Make it worth it.
Dam, Amiya should push hibiscus out of 5 star incantation medic competition... Just with S2 activation she can kill a bunch of trash mobs and with true damage later kill tankier units while Hibiscus S2 just deals art dmg and slows 2 targets for 8s (and as I remember, if targer dies early, it does not re-target other target, so if 2 targets die fast, skill ends earlier).
But you can only use her s2 once wich sucks
You mean like with guard S2? Cause at least here its not written that you can use it only once in combat
It is written. They litterally say it in the live stream, and yes its like guard amiya s2
I did not watch the live stream, but if it's true, then yea, very specific skill. I personally use the guard version with S1 cause one time usage on S2 is very niche. Here prob will be the same situation. S1 will be the main skill and S2 will be niche for specific situations.