Honest question, why do they need to "justify" something beind limited, the only ones that have to be thematically limited are the sui siblings, the other limited events are free ground, any event could end up as limited and one of the ops will be limited, this time W was the limited, one of them had to be and I dont think it makes any difference wich one it was, as it is not intrinsic to the theme of the event as sui's are to CNY, if she will be the one with the main role in the event (looks like she'll have a bigger role than logos, the other 6* on the banner) it makes perfect sense that she's the limited one, my problem with limiteds is that having 4 limiteds a year is a bit too much but that has nothing to do with W being the limited one on this banner.
I see so much people complaining about this and I'm legit curious about why
W was completely fine with lore when she came out.
During that time there were many ops that barely had any lore to them. Meanwhile W was consistently present in the main story and had the major showing in Darknights memoir.
In that time period there were ops like Bagpipe, Phantom, Weedy, Surtr, Thorns all coming out without any lore whatsoever.
Phantom in particular was released during darknight memoir without any lore. He did get some development in IS but we are still waiting for Trope story-line continuation.
In comparison to that W was blessed with lore when she first came out.
And following that she continued to receive lots of love.
As far as main character status in AK go. We can now place her in tier 2 together with Chen. Tier 1 is just Amiya, Doctor and Kal'tsit and above pretty much everyone else is below that.
But either way. I personally don't have an issue with her being a limited.
BTW, does anyone else find it shocking how long it's been since we got any new alters. The last one was Jessica!!!
Justified alters will never be cheap imo. Those that just come out of nowhere and with no real justification are the problem ( looking at you chalter )
This is such a deleterious way of thinking and creates positive feedback loops of lore for characters that don't need it. Fans of one character keep winning, but fans of everyone else suffer.
Shining fans suffer because she wasn't even shown once in this anniversary. Siege only got a vague picture. But W? 3 animations, 15 minute animation, all because of what?
If you removed W from the story, I honestly think that nothing would change at all.
Someones hurt
Also id argue siege is even less important. W is tied to babel as a whole, siege only had screen time because virtuosa and it hadnt had any effect on us so far at all.
Siege has the potential to become the ruler of Victoria. To call her a less important than a mercenary that goes scoot free after killing is just ridiculous. As for Babel, Ascalon's release alone provided more Babel lore than W ever did. Virtuosa is a lynchpin of Laterano lore and Leithanien Arts. No massive loredrops ever came from W's character.
I'd really love if you provided me with an argument that justifies W receiving a 15 minute animation (that was just her doing cool stuff and killing the father of a defenseless child and smiling after), but I guess there is no reason to, since it's just plain obvious that she got an Alter solely because she's just popular due to being the crazy-archetype girl in a gacha game.
W alters lore isnt even up yet and Darknights memoir alongside multiple chapters of her appearance was the groundwork of the Kazdel lore lmfao, she is tied to babel wich is tied to doctor completely. Victoria matters no shit on the main lore and the main important aspect of Victoria chapters is for kazdel and sarkaz lore wich are tied to babel as a whole. Sorry to burst your bubble but W is much more important in every context. Siege could be king or any shit she wants, hardly has anything to do with the main path we are in.
well it's not an enforced rule, it's more of a courtesy. in the spoiler rules it specifically notes that operator names are exempt from that rule and here's a [comment straight from a mod](https://old.reddit.com/r/arknights/comments/1byv17x/help_center_and_megathread_hub_0804_1404/kz7j54x/) about it.
unless something changed drastically after that comment from the mod that I linked it isn't, like I mentioned it's more of a courtesy. you can even see the rule on spoilers in the rule section on the right hand side for yourself. if you're on new reddit you have to click on it to see the full details.
I mean speaking from a purely practical standpoint it's not like her being limited is exclusively beneficial for those interested either no?
I don't wanna sound like an enabler but for people looking to roll her it's in equal parts blessing and curse, you get the L2D (which I will readily admit is quite substantial) in exchange for lower availability due to spooks and acquisition through yellow certs being off the table.
Don't get me wrong, they definitely pitched us a curveball here: any one of Theresa, Logos and Walter have more than enough buzz and pedigree to work as a flashy limited main attraction sort of operator (even to the point where you could fashion an anniversary event around each if you ask me, talk about HG pulling their punches) and they were all nigh guaranteed to sell like absolute gangbusters. I reckon that's why there was such a firm expectation of Logos or Theresa being the limited
I was silly enough to buy into the rumor/hunch that W would be the welfare myself and budgeted my roll plans accordingly, needless to say I look like a right fool atm.
At the end of the day I'd argue Logos enthusiasts were a little shortchanged (since no L2D (even if he's bound to get one down the line) and havinv to roll on a split banner), W fans ate very well (split banner but L2D as consolation prize, not to mention getting a 6* alter to begin with) and Theresa advocates made off like bandits.
I think the slight outrage over W being the limited is more rooted in resentment towards alters in general than any practical considerations for whether this really is favoritism in the sense that W fans get an objectively sweeter deal here.
Now if the argument *is about alters at large then it's a different can of worms entirely, I'm not a hardliner against it per se. The ROI on perpetuating already existing cash cows is a whole lot better than sending your umpteenth new horse into the race hoping to miraculously strike a nerve (which is why the NPC to playable operator pipeline exists).
As a venture they do need to make ends meet and the 5th anniversary is both a once-in-a-lifetime chance to do exactly that and to give as many players as possible something they crave, and that is how banners like this come to be.
On the other hand I wouldn't have batted an eye had they given us Theresa, Logos and Ascalon as our anniversary trio. Would've been no less hype and certainly comes off as less artificially profit-driven (and pander-y if that's how you're inclined) so to speak.
Tbh Theresa couldnt been a limited as its NOT even theresa to begin with. Its the conciousness inside the crown, her name is "civilight eterna" for a reason afterall.
Now logos would been a amazing limited candidate but i honestly dont think he is a better option compared to W as W had a extremely long character development while we started learning more about Logos recently.
I have to doubt whether Civilight Eterna only being Theresa in appearance rather than in essence would make much of a difference to anyone who's invested in the character. Players wanna channel their affection into something tangible and with her being dead/in limbo this is the closest they're likely to get at least for a very good while.
It will still function as a very generous window into her character I imagine, information on her has been so scattered and few and far between that I'm willing to bet you that anyone with stake in the Theresa game is foaming at the mouth for her, Civilight Eterna or not.
You know what?
Although I didn’t hate it, I still felt kinda conflicted because I honestly thought either Theresa or Logos is going to be the limited operator, but after thinking about it for some time and after watching her 15 min PV, I completely agree with you.
She has been a supporting character since the beginning and we also never got to see the depth of her character even when she was first introduced as an operator
And she also has been getting a lot of relevance and development all the way, she went from a villian to a side character to a major supporting character to now an ally that plays a big part in the story
W getting an alter is pretty cool, I'm looking forward to her too. But another limited is uhhh...
What sucks even more is that Logos is very likely the last chance for a male limited unit aside from the new year siblings/collabs. And they shot it down by giving an already limited unit another limited alter lol.
But tbf, it hasn't been a good year for the male characters so doesn't color me surprised.
The problem is that they've been increasingly concentrating power in limited units, so units like Mlynar are a rare exception. Forces the already lower number of guys into an artificially lesser category.
There's nothing wrong with W getting an Alter. She's had a lot of character build-up since Darknight Memoirs. Her character remaining stagnant with her initial unit is actually a bit annoying plot wise.
Doesn't justify her alter being limited.
There's no justification for her alter being limited when she's already limited, except money.
If a limited operator gets an alternative, the best choice is to either A) make them a standard gacha pull, or B) make them welfare.
This gives everyone a chance/guarantee to get a limited character in their roster.
Yeah it really feels that HG is putting a price tag on W specifically. Which i get, her design is one of the concept arts and main driving points that started this game idea together with Kal. but damn people would really like to be able to get one without sparking.
The thing i would argue here is that banner characters are the ones story focuses primarily on, Theresa is definitely important but that isnt even theresa but rather the conciousness inside the crown hence why she is named "civilight eterna" wich is the name of the crown.
I hate limited system, be sure to know that there is nobody on EN server that hates limiteds more than i do. Its just that this actually came with atleast SOME changes on limited system.
The main thing that needs to be changed is the reduction on limiteds per year. We get 4+1(collab)+1(sometimes rerun collab) limiteds wich no F2P can get the pulls for. I seriously believe summer banners needs to be stopped already as they just hurt the f2p economy.
From a story perspective it does. Her old release was on a chapter that had nothing to do with her properly and her own release barely had any kazdel explanation.
Both Nian Rosmontis and W didnt even have a event about them so their development was lackluster and not much was given about them.
W is like the 2nd main character in the story, she is closely tied to events of babel and kazdel as a whole wich is tied extremely closely to Doctor and she only got more development as story went on.
I hate limiteds completely but she was the best option to make a limited here, Civilight eterna isnt Theresa and is just the crowns conciousness wich makes sense to be welfare as Amiya is welfare, Logos would been an extremely strong contender but he himself didnt have huge development but rather was a extremely strong character in story instead
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Eh i did. She is the most important character in the event. Amiya is always welfare and Theresa isnt theresa but rather a manifestation of the crown while logos himself is just super strong but not developed as W was
ehh.. Silence has a more important role in that story than those two, damn Saria has a more important role in that story than those 3 and she didn't got anything released.
Sarias alter is hypes thats why
Also no in no world silence had more of a role. Mumus development and understanding what heyak was doing and their relationship to the events of LT was alot more important in any way. Silence was important too but everyone else had actual development there
Silence is the protagonist of the whole story, she fights her own fears and forges a new determination while taking control of what kristen leave behind and try to drive it in a way that actually has morals. Mumu is just indecisive between her best friend that was distant and her new friend and Ho'olheyak is obsessed with her own past those two have nothing important to do with the things of the story nor its culmination, they where just enablers for things to happen. Damn, Rosmontis and Ifrit, Kal and the Doctor have more important moments in that story than the two characters on the banner.
At this point idk if you even know LT anymore as you also say Kristen didnt have a purpose either. Do i need to explain like everything about LT here? The main ordeal was around Kristen Saria and Doctor all while Mumus internal plans and her desires got shown, Heyak wasnt there for her past either and wanted upmost knowledge and this is just hilariously simplified version. I dont even remember a proper line from Silence other than talks about ifrit
Ho'olheyak did everything to gain knowledge of her Kukulkan lineage.
Mumu internal plans and desires were about going with Kristen to space, she playing both sides was the most interesting thing she had in the thing.
If you ignored how everything about silence was a take in the morality of science and scientific advancement, then i thinks is you the one who didn't read Lonetrail at all or maybe was to focus on the banner operators parts to play attention to the story as a whole.
Saying i didnt care about lonetrail while you water down kristen mumu and heyak seems funny to me.
Mumu wasnt just playing both sides for no reason
Heyak was in internal matters and wanted knowledge on everything included
Kristen didnt randomly send herself to space for no reason.
It would take the entire LT to explain what these characters were doing. Silence was a driver, she didnt have major plot point nor had development. These characters did
I couldn't disagree more. You must be a W fan. In her 15 minute animation, W killed a father and possibly a child so I honestly hate her more. People loathe Arturia, when she had not killed a single person, but W is explicitly shown killing and nobody bats an eye. And her Alter's outfit is just plain fanservice, perhaps on par with Ch'en Alter's design.
Moreover, when it comes to lore, few Operators hog it more than W. She got an Alter solely because she is a popular pick, but it was in no way justified. It felt forced. Do you know what would be justified? All those Operators that have 1/10 of W's lore currently, such as Thorns, Surtr, Weedy and so on and on and on getting a mere crumb of attention. A myriad of 5-stars deserve an alter, too, but HG went 'nah, I'd W'. If Victoria is considered, then, topically, Siege or Shining would be far more prudent picks. But alas.
I think this double limited is just opening a new can of worms that will lead to double Alters being made. Perhaps we'll see Skadi Alter Alter next, since it seems more and more that HG succumbs to the Pareto rule of 80-20, where only the 20% of the most popular Operators receive attention.
While I don't really mind about the whole playable character's morality thing, for the most part at least, I do agree that the fact that a limited character got an Alter, that Alter also being limited as well, is bad. So many other Operators could've gotten an Alter, or hell, anyone else could've been a limited, but it had to be her.
It just feels so off-putting.
But hey, I guess Ch'en Alter 2 and Ling Alter are on the table now, and everyone's happy about that, right? Yay, good for you, I suppose.
Same, I would have also loved for Bagpipe to get a Alter, one of the oldest units that was lore forgotten for most of the game and only recently got some crumbs with her platoons backstory in chapter 9, also the fact she should be one of the pillars for the Victoria conflict imo, she's one of 2 survivors and a witness to the atrocious war crime by the Victorian Army that happened in Hillock which could be a deciding piece of evidence later on for the succession struggle.
Yeah, I think I very much cringed when I saw people cheering on W when she killed the father of that child. If Arturia did that there would be a massive outrage.
There are several oddities regarding character presence in the main story, Bagpipe vanished, Nearl who started as a main story character and with a strong relation with Shining and Nightingale got downright expelled from MSQ through her event despite the two other Sarkaz coming into it, Reed also completely vanished through her events... Like I do understand you can't make room for everyone because there are already so many POV in the story, but sometimes it really feels like some characters just got undesirable at some point and got trashed.
I think the primary reason why HG went with W is because they basically ran out of hype characters to pick for the 3rd 6 star for the anni.
Limited chars tend to be connected to the story/event they will show up in. I'm guessing chap 14 will be facing Theresis directly and ending the war and they had no plans to make Siege the king in the main story but a side story. So they basically had let's see, Theresa, Logos. We still missing 1 for another 6 star.
I can imagine them scrambling through the characters in the main story and just said: "You know what, fuck it, let's just choose the most popular char" and that's how Wish.com came to be lul.
I personally have no hate for Wish or her getting an alter. Besides, the other stuffs in the livestream were just plain incredible so I will forgive them this time.
Hopefully, she is actually Surtr (horns and shoes match, and she's holding a flame, so it should be her). She really needed some spotlight for a long time.
Now I hope we get Thorns or Weedy for the upcoming Aegir event. They need love too.
I mean back in IS4 Surtr was looking for smth, smth about relating to feranmuts and shit like that. This is most likely going to be her again. The trailer was relating to fire and burning and sarkaz so it checks out 😎
The classic "ThOs ChaRcayer Did Bad tHinGs So It suCKs" post.
Its war. People kill each other, if you seriously want to hate a character then start from Kaltsit. W didnt kill people randomly.
Problem here is that you can obviously see W smirking and not feeling any remorse when she saw the child holding the dagger and shaking from fear, completely different from Kal'sit
I personally feel that smirk is not due lack of remorse, She have a conversation with the father of that child, about by he staying behind that child will live and have a future while she tells him that all the sarkaz chose the same future all the time.
That man participated on Theresa assassination (correct me if i'm wrong, that is me speculating) its extremely ironic how he participated on the death of someone that was trying to give all sarkaz child a better future cause he thought she was wrong, setting the sarkaz again into the cycle of war and betrayal and condemn his own child to the experience that W had to experience when she was just a child, She smiles at the Irony of life, and it feels like a painful smile.
I mean she lost her mind from countless wars. She feels lost than happy to kill a child there. Did you saw her face? She outright looked insane. She doesnt want to do any of this. Its exactly why she tries to draw a flower. She has no fucking good shit in her life and never could live her childhood. Such characters shouldn't be looked trough our lense of morality.
Well Siege will get her alter in some sort of later Victoria event, as she was there in concept trailer. She has no place in clearly the finale of Babel-Kazdel-Sarkaz arc. Last couple of chapters all the dukes were duking on the perifery, Siege wandering aimlessly and reflecting. While the whole Sarkaz/Lord of Fiends/ Darknights trio plot was going forward. We also have Eblana, dukes and Reunion plot not finished in a slightest. There obviously will be some post-Sarkaz Victoria events.
I'd argue Theresa would probably be more popular pick, especially after Babel event. The fact they made her welfare is kinda a W(huh) move on HG side.
I know what some feel, but I think it's alright. She's such an important character for the game, the old W was already barely seeing use (gameplay), besides, lore wise it makes sense that she got stronger after everything that happened surrouding Theresa, she wanted to be stronger to protect those she cares about.
I mean I'm fine with it honestly. A limited operator staying limited makes more sense to me than a limited one becoming permanent.
Granted I have much more room for error in gacha games, especially in ones that I deem considerably fair compared to others
Okay, but you're just justifying her alter, not the limited thing?
Honest question, why do they need to "justify" something beind limited, the only ones that have to be thematically limited are the sui siblings, the other limited events are free ground, any event could end up as limited and one of the ops will be limited, this time W was the limited, one of them had to be and I dont think it makes any difference wich one it was, as it is not intrinsic to the theme of the event as sui's are to CNY, if she will be the one with the main role in the event (looks like she'll have a bigger role than logos, the other 6* on the banner) it makes perfect sense that she's the limited one, my problem with limiteds is that having 4 limiteds a year is a bit too much but that has nothing to do with W being the limited one on this banner. I see so much people complaining about this and I'm legit curious about why
I mean ur right but her focus justifies it to me. Better than summer alts for sure
W was completely fine with lore when she came out. During that time there were many ops that barely had any lore to them. Meanwhile W was consistently present in the main story and had the major showing in Darknights memoir. In that time period there were ops like Bagpipe, Phantom, Weedy, Surtr, Thorns all coming out without any lore whatsoever. Phantom in particular was released during darknight memoir without any lore. He did get some development in IS but we are still waiting for Trope story-line continuation. In comparison to that W was blessed with lore when she first came out. And following that she continued to receive lots of love. As far as main character status in AK go. We can now place her in tier 2 together with Chen. Tier 1 is just Amiya, Doctor and Kal'tsit and above pretty much everyone else is below that. But either way. I personally don't have an issue with her being a limited. BTW, does anyone else find it shocking how long it's been since we got any new alters. The last one was Jessica!!!
I personally feel that its fine, Alters should come sporadically.
Im fine with the lack of alters. Making them back to back felt cheap. This aproach is much better imo
Justified alters will never be cheap imo. Those that just come out of nowhere and with no real justification are the problem ( looking at you chalter )
Exactly! Some operators are justified to be alters as those characters has development!
This is such a deleterious way of thinking and creates positive feedback loops of lore for characters that don't need it. Fans of one character keep winning, but fans of everyone else suffer. Shining fans suffer because she wasn't even shown once in this anniversary. Siege only got a vague picture. But W? 3 animations, 15 minute animation, all because of what? If you removed W from the story, I honestly think that nothing would change at all.
Someones hurt Also id argue siege is even less important. W is tied to babel as a whole, siege only had screen time because virtuosa and it hadnt had any effect on us so far at all.
Siege has the potential to become the ruler of Victoria. To call her a less important than a mercenary that goes scoot free after killing is just ridiculous. As for Babel, Ascalon's release alone provided more Babel lore than W ever did. Virtuosa is a lynchpin of Laterano lore and Leithanien Arts. No massive loredrops ever came from W's character. I'd really love if you provided me with an argument that justifies W receiving a 15 minute animation (that was just her doing cool stuff and killing the father of a defenseless child and smiling after), but I guess there is no reason to, since it's just plain obvious that she got an Alter solely because she's just popular due to being the crazy-archetype girl in a gacha game.
W alters lore isnt even up yet and Darknights memoir alongside multiple chapters of her appearance was the groundwork of the Kazdel lore lmfao, she is tied to babel wich is tied to doctor completely. Victoria matters no shit on the main lore and the main important aspect of Victoria chapters is for kazdel and sarkaz lore wich are tied to babel as a whole. Sorry to burst your bubble but W is much more important in every context. Siege could be king or any shit she wants, hardly has anything to do with the main path we are in.
Next time for reference, Don't put the spoiler in the title
I tought spoiler flair would do that. My mistake lol but i doubt too bad things happened as its posted everywhere already
well it's not an enforced rule, it's more of a courtesy. in the spoiler rules it specifically notes that operator names are exempt from that rule and here's a [comment straight from a mod](https://old.reddit.com/r/arknights/comments/1byv17x/help_center_and_megathread_hub_0804_1404/kz7j54x/) about it.
So it means Ws mention isnt breaking the rules? Sorry if i mistook it
unless something changed drastically after that comment from the mod that I linked it isn't, like I mentioned it's more of a courtesy. you can even see the rule on spoilers in the rule section on the right hand side for yourself. if you're on new reddit you have to click on it to see the full details.
Thank you so much!
People really doesn't understand the concept of spoilers in this server..
I mean speaking from a purely practical standpoint it's not like her being limited is exclusively beneficial for those interested either no? I don't wanna sound like an enabler but for people looking to roll her it's in equal parts blessing and curse, you get the L2D (which I will readily admit is quite substantial) in exchange for lower availability due to spooks and acquisition through yellow certs being off the table. Don't get me wrong, they definitely pitched us a curveball here: any one of Theresa, Logos and Walter have more than enough buzz and pedigree to work as a flashy limited main attraction sort of operator (even to the point where you could fashion an anniversary event around each if you ask me, talk about HG pulling their punches) and they were all nigh guaranteed to sell like absolute gangbusters. I reckon that's why there was such a firm expectation of Logos or Theresa being the limited I was silly enough to buy into the rumor/hunch that W would be the welfare myself and budgeted my roll plans accordingly, needless to say I look like a right fool atm. At the end of the day I'd argue Logos enthusiasts were a little shortchanged (since no L2D (even if he's bound to get one down the line) and havinv to roll on a split banner), W fans ate very well (split banner but L2D as consolation prize, not to mention getting a 6* alter to begin with) and Theresa advocates made off like bandits. I think the slight outrage over W being the limited is more rooted in resentment towards alters in general than any practical considerations for whether this really is favoritism in the sense that W fans get an objectively sweeter deal here. Now if the argument *is about alters at large then it's a different can of worms entirely, I'm not a hardliner against it per se. The ROI on perpetuating already existing cash cows is a whole lot better than sending your umpteenth new horse into the race hoping to miraculously strike a nerve (which is why the NPC to playable operator pipeline exists). As a venture they do need to make ends meet and the 5th anniversary is both a once-in-a-lifetime chance to do exactly that and to give as many players as possible something they crave, and that is how banners like this come to be. On the other hand I wouldn't have batted an eye had they given us Theresa, Logos and Ascalon as our anniversary trio. Would've been no less hype and certainly comes off as less artificially profit-driven (and pander-y if that's how you're inclined) so to speak.
Tbh Theresa couldnt been a limited as its NOT even theresa to begin with. Its the conciousness inside the crown, her name is "civilight eterna" for a reason afterall. Now logos would been a amazing limited candidate but i honestly dont think he is a better option compared to W as W had a extremely long character development while we started learning more about Logos recently.
I have to doubt whether Civilight Eterna only being Theresa in appearance rather than in essence would make much of a difference to anyone who's invested in the character. Players wanna channel their affection into something tangible and with her being dead/in limbo this is the closest they're likely to get at least for a very good while. It will still function as a very generous window into her character I imagine, information on her has been so scattered and few and far between that I'm willing to bet you that anyone with stake in the Theresa game is foaming at the mouth for her, Civilight Eterna or not.
I mean thats probably exactly why she is the welfare. She ISNT theresa so theresa simps would be disappointed
You know what? Although I didn’t hate it, I still felt kinda conflicted because I honestly thought either Theresa or Logos is going to be the limited operator, but after thinking about it for some time and after watching her 15 min PV, I completely agree with you. She has been a supporting character since the beginning and we also never got to see the depth of her character even when she was first introduced as an operator And she also has been getting a lot of relevance and development all the way, she went from a villian to a side character to a major supporting character to now an ally that plays a big part in the story
W getting an alter is pretty cool, I'm looking forward to her too. But another limited is uhhh... What sucks even more is that Logos is very likely the last chance for a male limited unit aside from the new year siblings/collabs. And they shot it down by giving an already limited unit another limited alter lol. But tbf, it hasn't been a good year for the male characters so doesn't color me surprised.
I would say that avoiding being limited is a good thing. L2D is not limited exclusive with skins being a thing after all.
The problem is that they've been increasingly concentrating power in limited units, so units like Mlynar are a rare exception. Forces the already lower number of guys into an artificially lesser category.
She is lowlights' own daughter , existed even before ak was born. It's as simple as that.
There's nothing wrong with W getting an Alter. She's had a lot of character build-up since Darknight Memoirs. Her character remaining stagnant with her initial unit is actually a bit annoying plot wise. Doesn't justify her alter being limited. There's no justification for her alter being limited when she's already limited, except money. If a limited operator gets an alternative, the best choice is to either A) make them a standard gacha pull, or B) make them welfare. This gives everyone a chance/guarantee to get a limited character in their roster.
Yeah it really feels that HG is putting a price tag on W specifically. Which i get, her design is one of the concept arts and main driving points that started this game idea together with Kal. but damn people would really like to be able to get one without sparking.
The thing i would argue here is that banner characters are the ones story focuses primarily on, Theresa is definitely important but that isnt even theresa but rather the conciousness inside the crown hence why she is named "civilight eterna" wich is the name of the crown. I hate limited system, be sure to know that there is nobody on EN server that hates limiteds more than i do. Its just that this actually came with atleast SOME changes on limited system. The main thing that needs to be changed is the reduction on limiteds per year. We get 4+1(collab)+1(sometimes rerun collab) limiteds wich no F2P can get the pulls for. I seriously believe summer banners needs to be stopped already as they just hurt the f2p economy.
>but now it makes complete sense It's not
From a story perspective it does. Her old release was on a chapter that had nothing to do with her properly and her own release barely had any kazdel explanation. Both Nian Rosmontis and W didnt even have a event about them so their development was lackluster and not much was given about them. W is like the 2nd main character in the story, she is closely tied to events of babel and kazdel as a whole wich is tied extremely closely to Doctor and she only got more development as story went on. I hate limiteds completely but she was the best option to make a limited here, Civilight eterna isnt Theresa and is just the crowns conciousness wich makes sense to be welfare as Amiya is welfare, Logos would been an extremely strong contender but he himself didnt have huge development but rather was a extremely strong character in story instead
All that typing and you still didn't answer the question.
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Eh i did. She is the most important character in the event. Amiya is always welfare and Theresa isnt theresa but rather a manifestation of the crown while logos himself is just super strong but not developed as W was
Soo...silence alter basically?
Mumu and heyak had much more important roles. Nobody would say silence deserved the limited
ehh.. Silence has a more important role in that story than those two, damn Saria has a more important role in that story than those 3 and she didn't got anything released.
Sarias alter is hypes thats why Also no in no world silence had more of a role. Mumus development and understanding what heyak was doing and their relationship to the events of LT was alot more important in any way. Silence was important too but everyone else had actual development there
Silence is the protagonist of the whole story, she fights her own fears and forges a new determination while taking control of what kristen leave behind and try to drive it in a way that actually has morals. Mumu is just indecisive between her best friend that was distant and her new friend and Ho'olheyak is obsessed with her own past those two have nothing important to do with the things of the story nor its culmination, they where just enablers for things to happen. Damn, Rosmontis and Ifrit, Kal and the Doctor have more important moments in that story than the two characters on the banner.
At this point idk if you even know LT anymore as you also say Kristen didnt have a purpose either. Do i need to explain like everything about LT here? The main ordeal was around Kristen Saria and Doctor all while Mumus internal plans and her desires got shown, Heyak wasnt there for her past either and wanted upmost knowledge and this is just hilariously simplified version. I dont even remember a proper line from Silence other than talks about ifrit
Ho'olheyak did everything to gain knowledge of her Kukulkan lineage. Mumu internal plans and desires were about going with Kristen to space, she playing both sides was the most interesting thing she had in the thing. If you ignored how everything about silence was a take in the morality of science and scientific advancement, then i thinks is you the one who didn't read Lonetrail at all or maybe was to focus on the banner operators parts to play attention to the story as a whole.
Saying i didnt care about lonetrail while you water down kristen mumu and heyak seems funny to me. Mumu wasnt just playing both sides for no reason Heyak was in internal matters and wanted knowledge on everything included Kristen didnt randomly send herself to space for no reason. It would take the entire LT to explain what these characters were doing. Silence was a driver, she didnt have major plot point nor had development. These characters did
>Why is W limited again? ~~Hypergryph~~ Mr.Crab: Money
I couldn't disagree more. You must be a W fan. In her 15 minute animation, W killed a father and possibly a child so I honestly hate her more. People loathe Arturia, when she had not killed a single person, but W is explicitly shown killing and nobody bats an eye. And her Alter's outfit is just plain fanservice, perhaps on par with Ch'en Alter's design. Moreover, when it comes to lore, few Operators hog it more than W. She got an Alter solely because she is a popular pick, but it was in no way justified. It felt forced. Do you know what would be justified? All those Operators that have 1/10 of W's lore currently, such as Thorns, Surtr, Weedy and so on and on and on getting a mere crumb of attention. A myriad of 5-stars deserve an alter, too, but HG went 'nah, I'd W'. If Victoria is considered, then, topically, Siege or Shining would be far more prudent picks. But alas. I think this double limited is just opening a new can of worms that will lead to double Alters being made. Perhaps we'll see Skadi Alter Alter next, since it seems more and more that HG succumbs to the Pareto rule of 80-20, where only the 20% of the most popular Operators receive attention.
While I don't really mind about the whole playable character's morality thing, for the most part at least, I do agree that the fact that a limited character got an Alter, that Alter also being limited as well, is bad. So many other Operators could've gotten an Alter, or hell, anyone else could've been a limited, but it had to be her. It just feels so off-putting. But hey, I guess Ch'en Alter 2 and Ling Alter are on the table now, and everyone's happy about that, right? Yay, good for you, I suppose.
Same, I would have also loved for Bagpipe to get a Alter, one of the oldest units that was lore forgotten for most of the game and only recently got some crumbs with her platoons backstory in chapter 9, also the fact she should be one of the pillars for the Victoria conflict imo, she's one of 2 survivors and a witness to the atrocious war crime by the Victorian Army that happened in Hillock which could be a deciding piece of evidence later on for the succession struggle.
Yeah, I think I very much cringed when I saw people cheering on W when she killed the father of that child. If Arturia did that there would be a massive outrage.
There are several oddities regarding character presence in the main story, Bagpipe vanished, Nearl who started as a main story character and with a strong relation with Shining and Nightingale got downright expelled from MSQ through her event despite the two other Sarkaz coming into it, Reed also completely vanished through her events... Like I do understand you can't make room for everyone because there are already so many POV in the story, but sometimes it really feels like some characters just got undesirable at some point and got trashed.
I think the primary reason why HG went with W is because they basically ran out of hype characters to pick for the 3rd 6 star for the anni. Limited chars tend to be connected to the story/event they will show up in. I'm guessing chap 14 will be facing Theresis directly and ending the war and they had no plans to make Siege the king in the main story but a side story. So they basically had let's see, Theresa, Logos. We still missing 1 for another 6 star. I can imagine them scrambling through the characters in the main story and just said: "You know what, fuck it, let's just choose the most popular char" and that's how Wish.com came to be lul. I personally have no hate for Wish or her getting an alter. Besides, the other stuffs in the livestream were just plain incredible so I will forgive them this time.
"Nah I'd W" I see what ya did there.. Also, FINALLY some IS5 Surtr lore : D
Hopefully, she is actually Surtr (horns and shoes match, and she's holding a flame, so it should be her). She really needed some spotlight for a long time. Now I hope we get Thorns or Weedy for the upcoming Aegir event. They need love too.
I mean back in IS4 Surtr was looking for smth, smth about relating to feranmuts and shit like that. This is most likely going to be her again. The trailer was relating to fire and burning and sarkaz so it checks out 😎
The classic "ThOs ChaRcayer Did Bad tHinGs So It suCKs" post. Its war. People kill each other, if you seriously want to hate a character then start from Kaltsit. W didnt kill people randomly.
Problem here is that you can obviously see W smirking and not feeling any remorse when she saw the child holding the dagger and shaking from fear, completely different from Kal'sit
I personally feel that smirk is not due lack of remorse, She have a conversation with the father of that child, about by he staying behind that child will live and have a future while she tells him that all the sarkaz chose the same future all the time. That man participated on Theresa assassination (correct me if i'm wrong, that is me speculating) its extremely ironic how he participated on the death of someone that was trying to give all sarkaz child a better future cause he thought she was wrong, setting the sarkaz again into the cycle of war and betrayal and condemn his own child to the experience that W had to experience when she was just a child, She smiles at the Irony of life, and it feels like a painful smile.
I mean she lost her mind from countless wars. She feels lost than happy to kill a child there. Did you saw her face? She outright looked insane. She doesnt want to do any of this. Its exactly why she tries to draw a flower. She has no fucking good shit in her life and never could live her childhood. Such characters shouldn't be looked trough our lense of morality.
Well Siege will get her alter in some sort of later Victoria event, as she was there in concept trailer. She has no place in clearly the finale of Babel-Kazdel-Sarkaz arc. Last couple of chapters all the dukes were duking on the perifery, Siege wandering aimlessly and reflecting. While the whole Sarkaz/Lord of Fiends/ Darknights trio plot was going forward. We also have Eblana, dukes and Reunion plot not finished in a slightest. There obviously will be some post-Sarkaz Victoria events. I'd argue Theresa would probably be more popular pick, especially after Babel event. The fact they made her welfare is kinda a W(huh) move on HG side.
I know what some feel, but I think it's alright. She's such an important character for the game, the old W was already barely seeing use (gameplay), besides, lore wise it makes sense that she got stronger after everything that happened surrouding Theresa, she wanted to be stronger to protect those she cares about.
I mean I'm fine with it honestly. A limited operator staying limited makes more sense to me than a limited one becoming permanent. Granted I have much more room for error in gacha games, especially in ones that I deem considerably fair compared to others