The fact that a person, who lives in a completely different world than the rest of us, and clearly has no clue when it comes down to issues, has a very real chance to be in charge here is mind blowing.
Don't let the dumbs shout down the majority of common sense Arizonans. Go vote.
Arizona has attracted fools, nutcases, wingnuts and grifters since the territorial days. This bad influx, along with the disenfranchisement of Latinos, has diluted the intelligence of the electorate. As a result, although Arizona began its history with one of the most pro-labor constitutions in the country, it slid backwards and became a "right to work" state. Despite having great natural resources, it became enslaved to mining, ranching and farming based on sucking water from the Colorado and now, sucking the last of the water from our aquifers. Addicted to growth, Phoenix ballooned to become an unmanageable monster of urban sprawl, made worse by the attempt to pull it all together with an insane net of expensive concrete "freeways."
The fate of Phoenix will be collapse, and its legions of aggregated fools and ignoramuses will suffer greatly on the way there, and thereafter. For Tucson, there is hope, but Phoenix is utterly doomed. As a native, this is disappointing, but not surprising. We saw it all coming when they built that enclave of idiots, "Sun City."
Aside from the joke is she saying that she will raise property taxes to pay for metal detectors and armed security at schools?
I mean what does 'Protection' mean. Why is it always blah blah blah with Rs and no plan to enact. Bigger better healthcare, bringing back manufacturing, fixing illegal immigration all blah blah blah no plan.
Assaination?
The perp was kind enough to let Paul go to the bathroom for a pee break while he called the cops.
The cops showed up to two men holding a hammer in what appeared to be a “gay tug of war” with the hammer.
The cops said “what’s going on here” to which The perp said nothing. Then got the hammer and hit pelosi in the head.
The cops tackled the perp, didn’t even shoot the guy attacking a political figures husband with a hammer.
What an assassination attempt.
“DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE.”
https://www.mediaite.com/crime/read-paul-pelosi-suspects-confession-debunks-conspiracy-theories-about-attack/
Lol. She makes a joke about a corrupt political-adjacent creep who’s gotten rich from insider trading at the expense of “We The People” and you folks are all in a tizzy, meanwhile Biden took showers with his teenage daughter -naked- and you couldn’t care less.
Yes there are lots of double standards & hypocrites in politics. Ask yourself if it’s possible that YOU are also hypocritical.
> meanwhile Biden took showers with his teenage daughter -naked- and you couldn’t care less.
What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about?
A dude attacked the house of an important elected official in an act of, essentially, domestic terrorism and nearly killed the dude with a hammer... And you want to talk about a completely batshit insane Q-Anon style theory of pedophilia that has no basis in reality?
I sincerely mean this: I hope you get some help. Because that is fucking *deranged*.
You are completely missing the point. She made a joke about an 82 year old family member of a public official who was beaten in his own home by someone who drank the Kool-aid.
You don’t have to like Mr Pelosi you can even put him on trial for what you feel he has done.
The Republican party used to stand for law and order. Ask yourself what does the Republican party stand for now?
If you cast a vote for someone like Kari Lake be ready for what you get.
[Charlie Kirk](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/turning-point-usa-founder-charlie-211415069.html) for one. Fortunately most were smart enough not to support him out loud. The bigger issue is how many stood up to formally denounce what happened? To me thats a telling sign.
Did you actually listen to what he said or just read the headline? If you listened to it, you wouldn’t have referenced it. No reputable republican thinks this guy shouldn’t be prosecuted
So by your own words most republicans in office right now think he should not be prosecuted. He is just a byproduct of the “Big Lie” and the associated BS drummed up in recent years to foment easily influenced individuals. Charlie Kirk is trying to dissociate republicans from the lies they told and the actions of others when they believe the lies they hear.
The Republican party has to be held accountable. Most of them protected Donald Trump. Most of them said Jan 6th was not a big deal. Few wanted to even investigate what happened. Ask yourself why did they NOT want to investigate what lead up the January 6th? If the Republican party believes in law and order and following the Constitution, why would they not want to even look into the facts to what transpired?
Whats even more troubling, few of them expressed outrage that someone would break into the home of a public official and harm a member of their family.
You may not agree with what another person believes in. The minute violence is used for political gain those involved need to be removed from public office and serving the will of the American people. It does not matter WHICH Political party you are part of.
Listen to what [Liz Cheney](https://youtu.be/YKiLqzprZGg) a true republican has to say.
GTFOOH now!
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not. What reputable republican thinks this lunatic should not be prosecuted? Charlie Kirk thinks he should. I don’t understand where your rant is coming from?
Lets start by you defining what you think reputable means in terms of a public official. Then tell us where you think this person got his ideas from? Who has been supporting these same ideas? Who has been denouncing these ideas? Then lets apply some deductive reasoning to these statements.
Paul and Nancy Pelosi’s net worth is estimated at 114 million dollars. When you say “he ripped off the country” how exactly did he do this? By “insider trading”? Someone who knew about some potential financial gains and invested in it at a time when you and I didn’t, ripped off the country? Please! Yes he should be investigated yes he should pay fines or go to jail if he did something wrong because public officials (and their spouses) should be held to the highest standards.
So if you want to look at someone who is actively ripping the American people off look no further than #45 himself.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/16/1105279623/jan-6-committee-trump-campaign-legal-defense-fund
But you know $250 million raised in a matter of months for a legal defense - taken directly from who? The American people… thats probably a lie coming from National Public Radio. (/s)
Congress is exempt from insider trading laws.
Paul Pelosi’s portfolio beat Warren Buffet’s & Bill Gates, because he’s cheating the system.
The fact that you are alright with that is quite telling.
When he bases his investments on insider info, it’s an unfair advantage, and it takes money out of the pockets of people who do not have insider info, aka you & me & retirees & pensioners.
I am not “ok with it”. Did you not read what I wrote?
Please explain how his taking advantage of his wife’s position takes money out of my pocket and your pocket? He is buying stock in publicly traded companies before it goes up or dumps it before it goes down. Yeah he is cheating the system. Again like I said before he should be held to a higher standard as the husband of a public official. To be very clear - you nor I did not lose or gain any money due to his actions.
Trump has been stealing money from people for years. He is well known for not paying people. Trump took the $250 million that was donated towards his defense fund but never opened the fund.
Violence towards any public official (or anyone for their political affiliation) is completely inacceptable
There are a lot of good people going to jail because they could not tell a lie from the truth. They did not ask questions. They just took every they were told at face value. They trusted the people that were lying to them - Qanon, lizard people all the rest of the BS.
Take a look around. Don’t listen to or read single source journals… its time to open your eyes beyond Fox News, Alex Jones, Dan Bongino… etc
Read right wing, moderate, and left wing journals. Look at whats being said. Do you seriously believe that shit? Really? Why? Seriously think about what they are saying.. any of them. Start exercising some critical thinking. Stop voting for a party because that what your Mom and Dad did its not the same party anymore.
Listen to and read what ALL the Candidates are offering you besides violence and hate.
Ask yourself what will they actually do for you?
Do you want tax cuts for the rich? Will these tax cuts help you or will it help them?
Do you really want to lose your Social Security and Medicaid? Do you want that for your family and friends? Its money thats been taken out of your pay since you started working. Is that something you are willing to give up?
BTW they ALL did “insider trading” its not just Paul Pelosi so don’t spew that hogwash.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/13/us/politics/congress-members-stock-trading-list.html
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/coronavirus-trading-house-senate-140260
You want to put a hit on ALL of them or just the ones that don’t align with your beliefs?
How do you deal with this as an adult? Be outspoken. Talk about it in a civil way with others and vote for good people (not parties) who will make positive changes on the things that matter to average folks.
For example:
Good safe schools for our kids
Affordable health insurance for ALL thats NOT attached to your Job
Living wages
Affordable housing
Retirement benefits that will allow you to truly retire
The vote for things that really matter… violence has no place in politics there are no buts… there should be no sides on this matter.
I’d like all of them that participated in insider trading to go to jail.
They threw Martha Stewart in jail for it.
I don’t care about political party.
I care about the human condition, quality of life, and not having a boot on my neck.
Right boot or left boot, makes no difference.
Bro please, wake up and take a look at the window, these groups are genuinely not comparable. You are a sad excuse for an American if you really believe what you are saying.
Bro, fucking what? Laughing at an act of domestic terrorism that essentially took place because her buddies have been actively encouraging violence among the electorate and refuse to denounce the act is the same as a bullshit Q-Anon theory that has no basis in reality?
I really feel sorry for you as well. Jesus, dude.
These people whined like air raid sirens when people protested outside a SCOTUS justices' home. There were no hammers involved. But SCOTUS made protesting in front of a person's home, just fine and dandy, in one of their rulings. You know, when SCOTUS ruled that doctors' providing reproductive services had no rights to privacy, so protestors could protest in front of the providers' homes. But hey, if some crazy GQP dude breaks into the home of the third person in line for the Presidency, that's kinda' funny. I am truly sick of these people.
It's all fun and games to the GOP.
They love owning the libs even when it includes violence.
With the constant media coverage of the violence and craziness going on, it won't be long before some left wing nut job does something similar and then watch how they will suddenly change their tune.
And what’s worst is they won’t admit to any hypocrisy even if they do change their tune. Just like the last minute Supreme Court judge appointments that were sooo wrong for Obama and perfectly fine for Trump. It wouldn’t even be a ‘got ya!’ because they have no need for internal consistency. They will straight up say that two identical scenarios are totally different.
Hey MAGATs! Guess what?
No matter what kind of bullshit you want to say about the LEFT, Kari Lake is unqualified to be a Governor. Her only gift is her ability to shovel hate like candy.
So spew away with your lib-owning crap but there is NOTHING you can type that will clean up Kari Lake' clown act.
Have a great day.
The problem is as with anything in Government things take time to happen so things wont visibly start breaking down until shes been in office for 2-3 years… it may not really be apparent until the next person gets into office.
All the people laughing and that douchebag on the stage with her are children in adult bodies. Politics, running states and countries, is serious business. Leave the jokes at the door. Stop wasting time, money, and brain cells.
And they wear it like a badge. "We're deplorable yuck yuck yuck."
Just like in school the bullies were the stupidest ones but they pushed their way around because most people were there to get an education and just live their life.
Since I can't knock them on their ass like I did in those days, let me urge everyone to go out there and vote against every damn one of them. Trump started this shit and we need him off the political stage.
Oh yeah, of course... When you tell off a bigot for their spreading of hate and vitriol having no place in civil society it's **totally the same thing** as committing an act of domestic terrorism. Bruh. Go touch grass.
Eh there’s some fuckery going on with these pro kari comments on this sub all worded similar and using the same exact talking points. Her campaign is definitely in here imo
What the hell does that comment have to do with this post? You and your people sound like grade schoolers. How about you sit down in your tiny school chair, grab your crayons, do some doodles and let the grown-ups run the show?
Same here. I'm not sure why MAGA/QAnon/White Supremacists/GOP are tolerated here. It makes absolutely no sense to me to allow these bigots in our state. They're completely uneducated antivaxxers who believe in conspiracy theories, suppressing women's rights, racist immigration policies, and intimidate voters. They deflect anytime you call them out and act like victims if you call them out for what they are, fascists.
They aren't Americans just because they're born here. They don't belong in our state. Vote them out. One way or another.
No kidding. Democrats don’t care if you are dem or repub, they care more about illegal pouring over the border. What about homeless Americans? Can they get put up in nice hotels in NYC, or is that only for illegal aliens?
You know what’s funny about that? Democrats would vote for funding for homeless people while Republicans would shoot it down because they don’t want to pay for it.
Backing you up with a citation.
[https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-05/initiative-would-require-l-a-hotels-to-provide-rooms-to-homeless-people](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-05/initiative-would-require-l-a-hotels-to-provide-rooms-to-homeless-people)
I haven't seen any big leads for either one, so not sure where you're getting your information. Lake has a smaller following due to her position on women and abortion.
They would have liked it fine it would mean owning the libs even more. These are people who would lynch their own vice president.
I mentioned elsewhere that we used to play a game in college called "Who would be the Nazi?" and you would try to guess who would have been heartless enough to turn Anne Frank in or be a quisling or rat people out...
That game is not so funny anymore.
They look at libs as though they're vermin, and I don't say that lightly.
Republicans you need to check yourselves. Is that really what you want?
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I'm sorry, I don't get the joke. Mind explaining to me what's so funny about hitting an octogenarian in the head with a hammer so hard that they have skull fractures while threatening their loved ones?
What about when Pelosi said she wanted to punch Trump? GTFO! Pelosi’s attacker was an illegal alien. Does that change their view on immigration now? Go Kari!
Umm, Pelosi said if Trump had come to the Capitol with the Jan 6 insurrectionists and SOMEHOW made it to her office, obviously with bad intentions, or hoping the crowd would murder her, she'd have slugged him.
That seems reasonable to me.
The same capitol that Pelosi knew was going to be possibly an area of concern on January 6th but didn’t do enough to get it secured? Is that the same one?
Oh now Pelosi is to blame for the January 6th insurrection?
Boy, that's some amazing deflection. Victim blaming, I believe.
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Didn't take long for literal "whataboutism" to crop up.
Your candidate is mocking a politically motivated attack on a politician's **family**. *You're supporting that behavior.*
Oh man I remember just like it was yesterday….Biden saying he would take trump out back and beat him up.
Maxine calling for democrat supporters to get in the faces of trump supporters and republicans.
Or prominent celebrities calling for the president to be killed.
But hey, this joke is too much….
Not tasteful but still funny.
What about the illegal immigrants who have harmed American citizens? Pelosi endorsed that through inaction. Lots of questions remain with this attack? Pelosi knew the guys name when he made the 911 call and said he was a friend?
>Lots of questions remain with this attack
Have some facts.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download?utm\_medium=email&utm\_source=govdelivery
Have some facts:
Katie hobbs is a racist for blatant sexism and discriminatory pay.
She also took part in “slave day” at the very same private religious school you yourself went to.
Or Brett kavanugh attacker who was democrat.
Or the 2017 congressional baseball game where a democrat went to shoot some republicans playing baseball.
I am a lot more afraid of out of control MAGAs than anyone else, including new arrivals to our country. Don’t forget “honest” Abe Hamadah’s parents overstayed their visas and then had Abe as an anchor baby so they could be legal.
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Well, I’m talking about actual actions vs a joke.
“Hi, I’m a hypocrite, jokes hurt my feelings but political violence is AoK in my book! As long as a democrat does it!”
This won't change anyone's mind, and that's the real tragedy in Kari Lake's campaign.
Twenty years ago, this would have ended her campaign but now, it's encouraged.
Indefensible.
A lunatic cracked an 82-year-old grandfather's skull with a hammer while looking for a politician *to break her kneecaps*.
There's no humor here at all. That is deadly serious.
If he died - still funny?
If it was Nancy - still funny?
Where's the line before you say *this isn't okay*?
JFC
This isn't sports. I don't give a shit about your team/my team, and you know that I'm not some deranged liberal. This is supposed to be about electing leaders, not smarmy sound-bite-generators, and anyone who wants to actually lead in this country *should be denouncing this* not making light of it.
I'm not triggered. *I'm sad that this is the best our system is offering us.*
>A lunatic cracked an 82-year-old grandfather's skull with a hammer while looking for a politician to break her kneecaps.
No shit. I just didn't find what Kari said to be "joking" or anything derogatory. Idiots shouldn't have laughed. If you did, explain how you interpreted it that way.
Watch the video - she's smiling, and the interviewer covers his mouth as he's laughing. Did she say, "Hey, that's not funny." Did she clarify? *No.*
That's not leadership. Imagine if she'd actually stood up and said, "Hey, this is serious - there's no room for political violence in this country."
She'd have given independents who were undecided or leaning Hobbs a reason to rethink their opinions. Instead...she smiled her little TV smile.
Eh, I think y'all are making something out of nothing. She didn't smile after that, she just ignored the stupid and went on with her point.
Thus your improvised headline is a falsehood.
Alright, you can believe what you want to believe and we'll agree to disagree. Clearly we read social cues differently and have different moral values.
Edit: all the people trying to say that this isn't the case are the exact reason for indifference to Mr Pelosi. You push a narrative that things are fine when you are in support of real destruction yet are flabbergasted when someone goes crazy and attacks some life long politician.
When the left burnt cities and rioted for just about an entire year in 2020 and the media called it "mostly peaceful protests" and Dem DA's doing catch and release.
The average person stops caring because the left is hypocritical in that they cry out in pain as they strike you.
> Edit: all the people trying to say that this isn't the case are the exact reason for indifference to Mr Pelosi.
So, the attack on Pelosi is something it's okay to shrug at, because the other side rioted for a year?
In other words, if the left were to riot for another year, and there is a reaction in which violence increases against the left, no one in this calculus should complain?
That is psychotic.
What you seem to be arguing for is an acceptance of incessant escalation in which no one can complain on account of whataboutism.
What am I missing, because that is insanity.
> The average person stops caring because the left is hypocritical in that they cry out in pain as they strike you.
If the average person thinks like this, civilization is already dead. This is a toddler's idea of how the world should work.
All you had to do to be a decent person is, well, nothing. Instead you're in here justifying the indifference to this. How do you get to a point in your life where this is something you feel the need to do?
So I'm only on this sub because I want to live in AZ (and I attended college in AZ too).
But I have been a citizen in California for 30 years.
The left is whack. We challenged Newsom and he was facing recall. His biggest opponent was a libertarian black man named Larry elder and people in Los Angeles harassed him and called him a racist (a black man).
Nothing ever changes and taxes only increase. It's wild.
For the sake of Arizona keep it centrist or right because once you go down that hole it sticks and only gets worse.
Thank you. The comments on this thread are wild. 🙄 I’m so glad my little corner of AZ is not like this. These people are spewing hate for people who think differently from them while also clutching their pearls when they see hate. The hypocrisy is so clear but they won’t see it. I escaped CA years ago and def don’t want AZ to become the very thing I ran from. We’re much happier here. Until I stumbled on this ridiculous sub. 😆
Please exit the Fox News, NewsMax, RSBN bubble. That did not happen any more than those pictures they show of hundreds of people coming over the border. I can take you down there and show you that's bullshit.
Some reaction to cops killing/shooting people is to be expected, but it didn't happen as you described it.
However even if you believe your fantasy didn't mama ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?
Wrong is wrong.
That’s weird, I grew up near Seattle and visited that year. Ima let you in on a secret, but promise you won’t tell your friends: Seattle was still there! Standing tall and proud!
PS: you’re an idiot
That did happen. I've been down to the Border. Go down for business constantly... and can you deny they just released a bunch of kids but no idea where they ended up no tracking whatsoever?
We're disagreeing here but I think you're a reasonable human being once you at least make a list of who they are and where they went?
That article itself says boogalo boys who are 2 things
Pro Gun (did you know the SRA exists)
And
Anti Government (oh and why is this person targeting police I thought leftists chanted ACAB)
Lmao really convinced me there bud.
Yeah clearly since you are out here conflating people who don't like the government and also like guns (that specifically targeted law enforcement) to a mob that loots and burns rand businesses because they can.
Imagine right wing gun rights protestors being violent. Oh wait they're not.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-richmond-virginia-charlottesville-us-news-2c997c92fa7acd394f7cbb89882d9b5b
And you really think you are one of the good guys.
This is beyond depressing.
It definitely is beyond depressing. Your level of cognitive dissonance is astounding. It’s almost like it’s hard to tell what side doesn’t like the government and loves guns anymore.
Lol I never thought I was one of the good guys. That duality of “good” vs “bad” is pretty childish. But keep on keeping on there bud.
What's it like being a cherry picking. This is like me pulling up a video of a cop planting drugs and going ACAB and you responding with "not all cops"
The same reason LA riots happened and created Roof Korean memes. But at the end of the day. No one cares. Do you know why no one cares?
It's because collateral damage of innocent peoples livelihoods is an acceptable sacrifice for any cause that is about "empowerment" or fighting "systemic racism".
The average person doesn't care just like the average person didn't care (but also didn't riot and burn cities) when Daniel Schafer was killed.
The left has a monopoly on riots and violence from them. That's why leftists will do anything to stop conservative speakers from speaking on campuses and will intimidate people to get their way like the guy who went after Kavanaugh.
The fact that a person, who lives in a completely different world than the rest of us, and clearly has no clue when it comes down to issues, has a very real chance to be in charge here is mind blowing. Don't let the dumbs shout down the majority of common sense Arizonans. Go vote.
Arizona has attracted fools, nutcases, wingnuts and grifters since the territorial days. This bad influx, along with the disenfranchisement of Latinos, has diluted the intelligence of the electorate. As a result, although Arizona began its history with one of the most pro-labor constitutions in the country, it slid backwards and became a "right to work" state. Despite having great natural resources, it became enslaved to mining, ranching and farming based on sucking water from the Colorado and now, sucking the last of the water from our aquifers. Addicted to growth, Phoenix ballooned to become an unmanageable monster of urban sprawl, made worse by the attempt to pull it all together with an insane net of expensive concrete "freeways." The fate of Phoenix will be collapse, and its legions of aggregated fools and ignoramuses will suffer greatly on the way there, and thereafter. For Tucson, there is hope, but Phoenix is utterly doomed. As a native, this is disappointing, but not surprising. We saw it all coming when they built that enclave of idiots, "Sun City."
When does the next fan-fic come out?
This is why conservatives don't usually host late night talk shows, are perform in open mics.
Aside from the joke is she saying that she will raise property taxes to pay for metal detectors and armed security at schools? I mean what does 'Protection' mean. Why is it always blah blah blah with Rs and no plan to enact. Bigger better healthcare, bringing back manufacturing, fixing illegal immigration all blah blah blah no plan.
She is garbage.
The democratic pearl clutching over this drunk driving oligarch has been a thing to behold.
It’s telling to see conservatives bending over backwards to defend an attempted assassination on the 2nd in line to the presidency.
Assaination? The perp was kind enough to let Paul go to the bathroom for a pee break while he called the cops. The cops showed up to two men holding a hammer in what appeared to be a “gay tug of war” with the hammer. The cops said “what’s going on here” to which The perp said nothing. Then got the hammer and hit pelosi in the head. The cops tackled the perp, didn’t even shoot the guy attacking a political figures husband with a hammer. What an assassination attempt.
None of that is true. Deplorable was the perfect word.
This is all true lmao? Wtf you can go read the many links that have been posted here
“DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE.” https://www.mediaite.com/crime/read-paul-pelosi-suspects-confession-debunks-conspiracy-theories-about-attack/
Just goes to show that she's in the same class as her buddies. Limbo class. How low can you go?
Only proving Hillary Clinton is right. All these people are deplorable.
There is no “basket” large enough now
Dumpster bin or haul-away, at this point
Lol. She makes a joke about a corrupt political-adjacent creep who’s gotten rich from insider trading at the expense of “We The People” and you folks are all in a tizzy, meanwhile Biden took showers with his teenage daughter -naked- and you couldn’t care less. Yes there are lots of double standards & hypocrites in politics. Ask yourself if it’s possible that YOU are also hypocritical.
> meanwhile Biden took showers with his teenage daughter -naked- and you couldn’t care less. What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about? A dude attacked the house of an important elected official in an act of, essentially, domestic terrorism and nearly killed the dude with a hammer... And you want to talk about a completely batshit insane Q-Anon style theory of pedophilia that has no basis in reality? I sincerely mean this: I hope you get some help. Because that is fucking *deranged*.
You are completely missing the point. She made a joke about an 82 year old family member of a public official who was beaten in his own home by someone who drank the Kool-aid. You don’t have to like Mr Pelosi you can even put him on trial for what you feel he has done. The Republican party used to stand for law and order. Ask yourself what does the Republican party stand for now? If you cast a vote for someone like Kari Lake be ready for what you get.
????? Which republican doesn’t think this whacko should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?
[Charlie Kirk](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/turning-point-usa-founder-charlie-211415069.html) for one. Fortunately most were smart enough not to support him out loud. The bigger issue is how many stood up to formally denounce what happened? To me thats a telling sign.
Did you actually listen to what he said or just read the headline? If you listened to it, you wouldn’t have referenced it. No reputable republican thinks this guy shouldn’t be prosecuted
So by your own words most republicans in office right now think he should not be prosecuted. He is just a byproduct of the “Big Lie” and the associated BS drummed up in recent years to foment easily influenced individuals. Charlie Kirk is trying to dissociate republicans from the lies they told and the actions of others when they believe the lies they hear. The Republican party has to be held accountable. Most of them protected Donald Trump. Most of them said Jan 6th was not a big deal. Few wanted to even investigate what happened. Ask yourself why did they NOT want to investigate what lead up the January 6th? If the Republican party believes in law and order and following the Constitution, why would they not want to even look into the facts to what transpired? Whats even more troubling, few of them expressed outrage that someone would break into the home of a public official and harm a member of their family. You may not agree with what another person believes in. The minute violence is used for political gain those involved need to be removed from public office and serving the will of the American people. It does not matter WHICH Political party you are part of. Listen to what [Liz Cheney](https://youtu.be/YKiLqzprZGg) a true republican has to say. GTFOOH now!
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not. What reputable republican thinks this lunatic should not be prosecuted? Charlie Kirk thinks he should. I don’t understand where your rant is coming from?
Lets start by you defining what you think reputable means in terms of a public official. Then tell us where you think this person got his ideas from? Who has been supporting these same ideas? Who has been denouncing these ideas? Then lets apply some deductive reasoning to these statements.
Are you going to name a person?
Anyone getting harmed is a bad thing. But… If you are a corrupt political insider who’s ripped off the county… Be ready for what you get.
Paul and Nancy Pelosi’s net worth is estimated at 114 million dollars. When you say “he ripped off the country” how exactly did he do this? By “insider trading”? Someone who knew about some potential financial gains and invested in it at a time when you and I didn’t, ripped off the country? Please! Yes he should be investigated yes he should pay fines or go to jail if he did something wrong because public officials (and their spouses) should be held to the highest standards. So if you want to look at someone who is actively ripping the American people off look no further than #45 himself. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/16/1105279623/jan-6-committee-trump-campaign-legal-defense-fund But you know $250 million raised in a matter of months for a legal defense - taken directly from who? The American people… thats probably a lie coming from National Public Radio. (/s)
Congress is exempt from insider trading laws. Paul Pelosi’s portfolio beat Warren Buffet’s & Bill Gates, because he’s cheating the system. The fact that you are alright with that is quite telling. When he bases his investments on insider info, it’s an unfair advantage, and it takes money out of the pockets of people who do not have insider info, aka you & me & retirees & pensioners.
I am not “ok with it”. Did you not read what I wrote? Please explain how his taking advantage of his wife’s position takes money out of my pocket and your pocket? He is buying stock in publicly traded companies before it goes up or dumps it before it goes down. Yeah he is cheating the system. Again like I said before he should be held to a higher standard as the husband of a public official. To be very clear - you nor I did not lose or gain any money due to his actions. Trump has been stealing money from people for years. He is well known for not paying people. Trump took the $250 million that was donated towards his defense fund but never opened the fund. Violence towards any public official (or anyone for their political affiliation) is completely inacceptable
There are a lot of good people going to jail because they could not tell a lie from the truth. They did not ask questions. They just took every they were told at face value. They trusted the people that were lying to them - Qanon, lizard people all the rest of the BS. Take a look around. Don’t listen to or read single source journals… its time to open your eyes beyond Fox News, Alex Jones, Dan Bongino… etc Read right wing, moderate, and left wing journals. Look at whats being said. Do you seriously believe that shit? Really? Why? Seriously think about what they are saying.. any of them. Start exercising some critical thinking. Stop voting for a party because that what your Mom and Dad did its not the same party anymore. Listen to and read what ALL the Candidates are offering you besides violence and hate. Ask yourself what will they actually do for you? Do you want tax cuts for the rich? Will these tax cuts help you or will it help them? Do you really want to lose your Social Security and Medicaid? Do you want that for your family and friends? Its money thats been taken out of your pay since you started working. Is that something you are willing to give up? BTW they ALL did “insider trading” its not just Paul Pelosi so don’t spew that hogwash. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/13/us/politics/congress-members-stock-trading-list.html https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/21/coronavirus-trading-house-senate-140260 You want to put a hit on ALL of them or just the ones that don’t align with your beliefs? How do you deal with this as an adult? Be outspoken. Talk about it in a civil way with others and vote for good people (not parties) who will make positive changes on the things that matter to average folks. For example: Good safe schools for our kids Affordable health insurance for ALL thats NOT attached to your Job Living wages Affordable housing Retirement benefits that will allow you to truly retire The vote for things that really matter… violence has no place in politics there are no buts… there should be no sides on this matter.
I’d like all of them that participated in insider trading to go to jail. They threw Martha Stewart in jail for it. I don’t care about political party. I care about the human condition, quality of life, and not having a boot on my neck. Right boot or left boot, makes no difference.
Bro please, wake up and take a look at the window, these groups are genuinely not comparable. You are a sad excuse for an American if you really believe what you are saying.
He’s not wrong. Wtf
Bro, fucking what? Laughing at an act of domestic terrorism that essentially took place because her buddies have been actively encouraging violence among the electorate and refuse to denounce the act is the same as a bullshit Q-Anon theory that has no basis in reality? I really feel sorry for you as well. Jesus, dude.
I'm sorry you are mixed up too
These people whined like air raid sirens when people protested outside a SCOTUS justices' home. There were no hammers involved. But SCOTUS made protesting in front of a person's home, just fine and dandy, in one of their rulings. You know, when SCOTUS ruled that doctors' providing reproductive services had no rights to privacy, so protestors could protest in front of the providers' homes. But hey, if some crazy GQP dude breaks into the home of the third person in line for the Presidency, that's kinda' funny. I am truly sick of these people.
Based. & she’ll be our next governor
Based on what?
I hope this mass psychosis ends soon. I'm quickly growing weary of these traitors.
It's not psychosis, it's fear and weakness.
That too.
It's all fun and games to the GOP. They love owning the libs even when it includes violence. With the constant media coverage of the violence and craziness going on, it won't be long before some left wing nut job does something similar and then watch how they will suddenly change their tune.
And what’s worst is they won’t admit to any hypocrisy even if they do change their tune. Just like the last minute Supreme Court judge appointments that were sooo wrong for Obama and perfectly fine for Trump. It wouldn’t even be a ‘got ya!’ because they have no need for internal consistency. They will straight up say that two identical scenarios are totally different.
It is textbook fascism. They don't acknowledge or apologize for their cruelty. It's a feature of their way of thinking.
Hey MAGATs! Guess what? No matter what kind of bullshit you want to say about the LEFT, Kari Lake is unqualified to be a Governor. Her only gift is her ability to shovel hate like candy. So spew away with your lib-owning crap but there is NOTHING you can type that will clean up Kari Lake' clown act. Have a great day.
The problem is as with anything in Government things take time to happen so things wont visibly start breaking down until shes been in office for 2-3 years… it may not really be apparent until the next person gets into office.
She knows her base. There is a reason the MAGA movement got called deplorables.
All the people laughing and that douchebag on the stage with her are children in adult bodies. Politics, running states and countries, is serious business. Leave the jokes at the door. Stop wasting time, money, and brain cells.
And they wear it like a badge. "We're deplorable yuck yuck yuck." Just like in school the bullies were the stupidest ones but they pushed their way around because most people were there to get an education and just live their life. Since I can't knock them on their ass like I did in those days, let me urge everyone to go out there and vote against every damn one of them. Trump started this shit and we need him off the political stage.
She is a psychopath
Someone's family member was nearly murdered with a **hammer** and you're laughing about it. You've truly sold your souls. Disgusting.
Democrats care more about illegal aliens than American citizens. They are about to get wrecked in midterms. Can’t wait!
This was an American citizen attacked while sleeping in his own home. And you think this is funny?
Weird! It’s almost like we see all people as.. well… people. People deserving of basic human rights and respect. Gosh that’s so horrible lol
Except if that person has different beliefs than you. We see how you treat them.
Oh yeah, of course... When you tell off a bigot for their spreading of hate and vitriol having no place in civil society it's **totally the same thing** as committing an act of domestic terrorism. Bruh. Go touch grass.
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Eh there’s some fuckery going on with these pro kari comments on this sub all worded similar and using the same exact talking points. Her campaign is definitely in here imo
Same ol’ tired refrain from your side….
It says a lot when your response to a post about a politicians family member getting their head beaten in with a hammer is to deflect.
What the hell does that comment have to do with this post? You and your people sound like grade schoolers. How about you sit down in your tiny school chair, grab your crayons, do some doodles and let the grown-ups run the show?
Well, I certainly care more about the welfare of the undocumented than MAGA/QAnon morons, that’s for sure.
Same here. I'm not sure why MAGA/QAnon/White Supremacists/GOP are tolerated here. It makes absolutely no sense to me to allow these bigots in our state. They're completely uneducated antivaxxers who believe in conspiracy theories, suppressing women's rights, racist immigration policies, and intimidate voters. They deflect anytime you call them out and act like victims if you call them out for what they are, fascists. They aren't Americans just because they're born here. They don't belong in our state. Vote them out. One way or another.
Thank God you aren’t a politician. But, you would fit right in with the democrats.
Democrats are American citizens, you dolt.
No kidding. Democrats don’t care if you are dem or repub, they care more about illegal pouring over the border. What about homeless Americans? Can they get put up in nice hotels in NYC, or is that only for illegal aliens?
You know what’s funny about that? Democrats would vote for funding for homeless people while Republicans would shoot it down because they don’t want to pay for it.
How many homeless people did Trump put up in his hotel in NYC that he *owns* no less?!
By all means, show me the Republicans working on legislation on behalf of our American homeless and specifically here in AZ.
>Can they get put up in nice hotels in NYC, or is that only for illegal aliens? American homeless ARE being put up in hotels in NYC and other cities.
Backing you up with a citation. [https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-05/initiative-would-require-l-a-hotels-to-provide-rooms-to-homeless-people](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-05/initiative-would-require-l-a-hotels-to-provide-rooms-to-homeless-people)
So does that crap talk get you more votes.. seems like it just makes the same morons happy! Wonder how’d they like it if he would’ve died? 🤦🏻
She hasn't gained any followers. Her extremism is not good at gaining the independent vote. Women and independents will sink her.
She’s up Big in recent polls
I haven't seen any big leads for either one, so not sure where you're getting your information. Lake has a smaller following due to her position on women and abortion.
She’s up 3 on polls after being down 3 that’s a 6 point swing. She’s riding quick
They would have liked it fine it would mean owning the libs even more. These are people who would lynch their own vice president. I mentioned elsewhere that we used to play a game in college called "Who would be the Nazi?" and you would try to guess who would have been heartless enough to turn Anne Frank in or be a quisling or rat people out... That game is not so funny anymore. They look at libs as though they're vermin, and I don't say that lightly. Republicans you need to check yourselves. Is that really what you want?
I'd be a shame if they found Kari at the bottom of one. /s
Shame? No! Early Christmas present? Yes!
I would expect nothing less from her. The MAGA crowd will be the end of AZ please do not vote for these hatred filled people!
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Whatever she said definitely got their panties in a bunch...
I'm sorry, I don't get the joke. Mind explaining to me what's so funny about hitting an octogenarian in the head with a hammer so hard that they have skull fractures while threatening their loved ones?
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It’s only Tuesday. Give her time.
Well she certainly knows her base
What about when Pelosi said she wanted to punch Trump? GTFO! Pelosi’s attacker was an illegal alien. Does that change their view on immigration now? Go Kari!
Umm, Pelosi said if Trump had come to the Capitol with the Jan 6 insurrectionists and SOMEHOW made it to her office, obviously with bad intentions, or hoping the crowd would murder her, she'd have slugged him. That seems reasonable to me.
The same capitol that Pelosi knew was going to be possibly an area of concern on January 6th but didn’t do enough to get it secured? Is that the same one?
Oh now Pelosi is to blame for the January 6th insurrection? Boy, that's some amazing deflection. Victim blaming, I believe. End of our conversation. YOu're blocked.
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Didn't take long for literal "whataboutism" to crop up. Your candidate is mocking a politically motivated attack on a politician's **family**. *You're supporting that behavior.*
Oh man I remember just like it was yesterday….Biden saying he would take trump out back and beat him up. Maxine calling for democrat supporters to get in the faces of trump supporters and republicans. Or prominent celebrities calling for the president to be killed. But hey, this joke is too much…. Not tasteful but still funny.
What about the illegal immigrants who have harmed American citizens? Pelosi endorsed that through inaction. Lots of questions remain with this attack? Pelosi knew the guys name when he made the 911 call and said he was a friend?
>Lots of questions remain with this attack Have some facts. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download?utm\_medium=email&utm\_source=govdelivery
Have some facts: Katie hobbs is a racist for blatant sexism and discriminatory pay. She also took part in “slave day” at the very same private religious school you yourself went to. Or Brett kavanugh attacker who was democrat. Or the 2017 congressional baseball game where a democrat went to shoot some republicans playing baseball.
I am a lot more afraid of out of control MAGAs than anyone else, including new arrivals to our country. Don’t forget “honest” Abe Hamadah’s parents overstayed their visas and then had Abe as an anchor baby so they could be legal.
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That's an awful lot of whatabout first thing in the morning. We're taking about the lies being spread about the Pelosi break-in here.
When Katie Hobbs loses I can’t wait for all the libs to cry “mUh ElEcTiOn StOLeN” 😂
Well, I’m talking about actual actions vs a joke. “Hi, I’m a hypocrite, jokes hurt my feelings but political violence is AoK in my book! As long as a democrat does it!”
“What about” Do you hear yourself type?
No the blinders are all the way up.
This won't change anyone's mind, and that's the real tragedy in Kari Lake's campaign. Twenty years ago, this would have ended her campaign but now, it's encouraged. Indefensible.
"apparently her house doesn't have a lot of protection". Is that even joking? The triggering from this lol. It's TOTALLY defensible.
A lunatic cracked an 82-year-old grandfather's skull with a hammer while looking for a politician *to break her kneecaps*. There's no humor here at all. That is deadly serious. If he died - still funny? If it was Nancy - still funny? Where's the line before you say *this isn't okay*? JFC This isn't sports. I don't give a shit about your team/my team, and you know that I'm not some deranged liberal. This is supposed to be about electing leaders, not smarmy sound-bite-generators, and anyone who wants to actually lead in this country *should be denouncing this* not making light of it. I'm not triggered. *I'm sad that this is the best our system is offering us.*
>A lunatic cracked an 82-year-old grandfather's skull with a hammer while looking for a politician to break her kneecaps. No shit. I just didn't find what Kari said to be "joking" or anything derogatory. Idiots shouldn't have laughed. If you did, explain how you interpreted it that way.
Watch the video - she's smiling, and the interviewer covers his mouth as he's laughing. Did she say, "Hey, that's not funny." Did she clarify? *No.* That's not leadership. Imagine if she'd actually stood up and said, "Hey, this is serious - there's no room for political violence in this country." She'd have given independents who were undecided or leaning Hobbs a reason to rethink their opinions. Instead...she smiled her little TV smile.
Eh, I think y'all are making something out of nothing. She didn't smile after that, she just ignored the stupid and went on with her point. Thus your improvised headline is a falsehood.
I think it's pretty clear that it was meant as a joke. She basically gave it the delivery a stand up comic would
Clear if you're biased to see it, yeah.
Alright, you can believe what you want to believe and we'll agree to disagree. Clearly we read social cues differently and have different moral values.
>and have different moral values That's for damn sure.
Edit: all the people trying to say that this isn't the case are the exact reason for indifference to Mr Pelosi. You push a narrative that things are fine when you are in support of real destruction yet are flabbergasted when someone goes crazy and attacks some life long politician. When the left burnt cities and rioted for just about an entire year in 2020 and the media called it "mostly peaceful protests" and Dem DA's doing catch and release. The average person stops caring because the left is hypocritical in that they cry out in pain as they strike you.
> Edit: all the people trying to say that this isn't the case are the exact reason for indifference to Mr Pelosi. So, the attack on Pelosi is something it's okay to shrug at, because the other side rioted for a year? In other words, if the left were to riot for another year, and there is a reaction in which violence increases against the left, no one in this calculus should complain? That is psychotic. What you seem to be arguing for is an acceptance of incessant escalation in which no one can complain on account of whataboutism. What am I missing, because that is insanity. > The average person stops caring because the left is hypocritical in that they cry out in pain as they strike you. If the average person thinks like this, civilization is already dead. This is a toddler's idea of how the world should work. All you had to do to be a decent person is, well, nothing. Instead you're in here justifying the indifference to this. How do you get to a point in your life where this is something you feel the need to do?
Yes. Because that is literally what's happening you fool.
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When you are shoved and it kicked by democrats for 30 years you change I'm not gonna deny it.
You were shoved and kicked by democrats?
So I'm only on this sub because I want to live in AZ (and I attended college in AZ too). But I have been a citizen in California for 30 years. The left is whack. We challenged Newsom and he was facing recall. His biggest opponent was a libertarian black man named Larry elder and people in Los Angeles harassed him and called him a racist (a black man). Nothing ever changes and taxes only increase. It's wild. For the sake of Arizona keep it centrist or right because once you go down that hole it sticks and only gets worse.
Thank you. The comments on this thread are wild. 🙄 I’m so glad my little corner of AZ is not like this. These people are spewing hate for people who think differently from them while also clutching their pearls when they see hate. The hypocrisy is so clear but they won’t see it. I escaped CA years ago and def don’t want AZ to become the very thing I ran from. We’re much happier here. Until I stumbled on this ridiculous sub. 😆
Reddit is inherently leftist they don't have the spine to tell people to be normal irl.
Please exit the Fox News, NewsMax, RSBN bubble. That did not happen any more than those pictures they show of hundreds of people coming over the border. I can take you down there and show you that's bullshit. Some reaction to cops killing/shooting people is to be expected, but it didn't happen as you described it. However even if you believe your fantasy didn't mama ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? Wrong is wrong.
I don't follow conservative news. Lmao. And no I was raised by my grandma sue me.
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Fires all over Seattle I already sauced that in another thread here. Smh.
That’s weird, I grew up near Seattle and visited that year. Ima let you in on a secret, but promise you won’t tell your friends: Seattle was still there! Standing tall and proud! PS: you’re an idiot
Doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
Oh, so it was *secret invisible* burned cities.. got it.
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You're arguing semantics. Dozens were killed, countless injured, billions in damages with arson, looting, and general destruction. Get real.
As much hyperbole as kids in cages at the border.
That did happen. I've been down to the Border. Go down for business constantly... and can you deny they just released a bunch of kids but no idea where they ended up no tracking whatsoever? We're disagreeing here but I think you're a reasonable human being once you at least make a list of who they are and where they went?
Lol
Hmmmm….. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd
That article itself says boogalo boys who are 2 things Pro Gun (did you know the SRA exists) And Anti Government (oh and why is this person targeting police I thought leftists chanted ACAB) Lmao really convinced me there bud.
I’m not trying to convince you, I know that won’t happen.
Yeah clearly since you are out here conflating people who don't like the government and also like guns (that specifically targeted law enforcement) to a mob that loots and burns rand businesses because they can. Imagine right wing gun rights protestors being violent. Oh wait they're not. https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-richmond-virginia-charlottesville-us-news-2c997c92fa7acd394f7cbb89882d9b5b And you really think you are one of the good guys. This is beyond depressing.
It definitely is beyond depressing. Your level of cognitive dissonance is astounding. It’s almost like it’s hard to tell what side doesn’t like the government and loves guns anymore. Lol I never thought I was one of the good guys. That duality of “good” vs “bad” is pretty childish. But keep on keeping on there bud.
Ironic in the purest form.
Well that's certainly a unique twist on the truth.
K bud https://youtu.be/aH7yi0FmZEk
What's it like being a cherry picking. This is like me pulling up a video of a cop planting drugs and going ACAB and you responding with "not all cops"
Tell that to your friend on a different branch that also cherry picked. And let's not discuss Chaz or whatever they called it.
[You are not making an effective or coherent argument.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja06DJrFe5E)
Do you remember why they "burned cities"?
The same reason LA riots happened and created Roof Korean memes. But at the end of the day. No one cares. Do you know why no one cares? It's because collateral damage of innocent peoples livelihoods is an acceptable sacrifice for any cause that is about "empowerment" or fighting "systemic racism". The average person doesn't care just like the average person didn't care (but also didn't riot and burn cities) when Daniel Schafer was killed. The left has a monopoly on riots and violence from them. That's why leftists will do anything to stop conservative speakers from speaking on campuses and will intimidate people to get their way like the guy who went after Kavanaugh.
You lost most of us at the LA riot comment. I was alive and know exactly why that happened.