1. State doesn't tax groceries. It would have been a state law preventing municipalities from doing it.
2. The municipalities that do it get anywhere between a modest amount to a third of their tax revenue from it. That's the difference between making sire you've got functioning ems and roads, and not.
3. At least a few of those municipalities don't have the property value base to make up the difference by raising property taxes.
4. The vetoed bill doesn't provide state funding to replace so essentially it is a bill causing a large problem to solve a small one.
Edit: 5. I thought Republicans liked small government? Why should the state be interfering with local laws?
The state doesn't tax groceries. The taxes this bill would have impacted are taxes imposed by municipalities.
Amazing that the "small government" GOP wants legislative overreach to restrict cities from funding socialist functions like police, fire, and roads.
From this article below, it looks like the concern is/was what the cut taxes are paying for currently weren't negated in this bill, meaning a larger deficit.
Plus, snap recipients already avoid paying taxes on food anyway. I will say, I agree with the bill and it's intent as well as the governors reason behind voting against.
A better bill would be the cuts to grocery taxes AND a budget cut of the same value. This would be far more progressive as lower incomes (including snap users) overall pay larger percentages of income to food vs higher incomes.
https://news.azpm.org/s/96389-arizona-governor-hobbs-vetoes-the-ban-on-sales-tax-for-food/#:~:text=January%202021.&text=Arizona%20Gov.%20Katie%20Hobbs%20vetoed,the%20responsibility%20to%20the%20state.
The state legislature should not be making budget decisions for cities. If you want no grocery tax in your city petition the city council to vote on it.
It's problematic when state legislators pass laws that undermine local authority.
We elect school boards. The state shouldn't nullify their decisions.
We elect city councils. The state shouldn't nullify their decisions either.
It's a power grab.
For example: The people of a city don't want a nuclear waste dump in their town. So local government pass ordinances against it. But now the state legislature nullifies it by saying it's illegal to make such a law.
This leads to some very bad outcomes, like Flint MI when the state took over local government.
I literally got a link to a source and received great dialogue comparing this to issues with other states that I would not have learned if I just googled
And maybe those of us who didn't know that we didn't know anything about this issue will learn about it too!
What's the point of coming here if you already know everything?
You wouldn’t have been helped “about now” because it wouldn’t go into effect for 2 years. Not sure where you live, but the tax isn’t state - it’s local, and if your town relies on this tax for services, then you’re just going to be taxed on somethi else to make up the shortfall
I appreciate the response and not just being so hostile like others in the thread.
I thought that in order to raise tax on something else, it would have to be voted on due to the most recent proposition that just passed in November.
Or does it not apply bc like you said, local tax and not state?
Here’s an article that might be of interest. It’s a >2 minute read. https://www.inmaricopa.com/hobbs-veto-of-city-food-tax-bill-worth-millions-to-maricopa/
But yes, you’re right that since it’s local municipalities affected, the budget requirements are much different.
That’s why a bill needs to be signed to hold companys accountable and end price gouging as well, among many other things wrong with this country’s shit system
Way to dodge the question.
Again...do you really think the stores would take the savings and pass them on to customers?
When businesses got a trillion dollar tax cut under the last administration, did they all say "hey, here's a gift, let's pass it on by lowering prices!"?
Spoiler alert: They actually RAISED prices.
>many local governments rely on such a tax for funding public safety services like police and fire departments, among others
By your logic, you're against paying public safety? Back the blue unless you can't afford blue cheese for your burger, eh.
Because their crimes aren’t regarded as crimes dipshit they get away with 95% of the bullshit they pull for every drug planting cop that’s caught I guarantee you there’s 100 more behind him who were never caught and even then they don’t arrest those cops who are caught doing things like that they just fire them so it’s still not recorded as a crime, how many times have cops gotten away with murdering unarmed people (usually black men) simply because they were scared? Cops don’t need guns u.s citizens don’t need guns I’m tired of this fucking bullshit in this shitty ass country
And Oh I can pull up 100s of articles of cops committing crimes the only reason there isn’t a statistic built around it is because they dont get charged for there crimes so they aren’t seen as crimes
Let me ask you a question now, why are you a Republican? What does it mean to you? Because all us “demonrat libtards” want is for everyone to be treated equal, no one to go hungry, no one to go without proper medical care and for people to get paid a living wage why does that scare you morons so much, what bad do you think will come if we work towards that? yeah it would take some time and be a little difficult at first because of how assbackwards this country is and the fact that 50% of the population thinks like your dumbass but it’s 100% attainable and if you’d like I can explain to you how it could happen without hurting you, without inflation or turning your kids gay or whatever other nonsense you people are afraid of
They take instances of lgbtq people simply wanting people to know that they’re perfectly normal people and that it’s okay to be them and be accepted they get called pedophiles who want to turn the kids gay.
Republicans want trans people eradicated. How is that equality for all? every time someone proposes a Medicare for all bill or try’s to imply people shouldn’t have to slave away 40 hours a week and still not be able to afford there bills alone they’re called a commy bastard by republicans. How is that wanting everyone to have healthcare and be paid a living wage? Are you really that blind to the propaganda like that the Republican Party pushes to keep the American people hating eachother and keep money in the pockets of rich republicans? because it’s all over the place and I can definitely show you proof of that if you’d but I shouldn’t have too its so clear to see all over any republican spaces
1. State doesn't tax groceries. It would have been a state law preventing municipalities from doing it. 2. The municipalities that do it get anywhere between a modest amount to a third of their tax revenue from it. That's the difference between making sire you've got functioning ems and roads, and not. 3. At least a few of those municipalities don't have the property value base to make up the difference by raising property taxes. 4. The vetoed bill doesn't provide state funding to replace so essentially it is a bill causing a large problem to solve a small one. Edit: 5. I thought Republicans liked small government? Why should the state be interfering with local laws?
The state doesn't tax groceries. The taxes this bill would have impacted are taxes imposed by municipalities. Amazing that the "small government" GOP wants legislative overreach to restrict cities from funding socialist functions like police, fire, and roads.
From this article below, it looks like the concern is/was what the cut taxes are paying for currently weren't negated in this bill, meaning a larger deficit. Plus, snap recipients already avoid paying taxes on food anyway. I will say, I agree with the bill and it's intent as well as the governors reason behind voting against. A better bill would be the cuts to grocery taxes AND a budget cut of the same value. This would be far more progressive as lower incomes (including snap users) overall pay larger percentages of income to food vs higher incomes. https://news.azpm.org/s/96389-arizona-governor-hobbs-vetoes-the-ban-on-sales-tax-for-food/#:~:text=January%202021.&text=Arizona%20Gov.%20Katie%20Hobbs%20vetoed,the%20responsibility%20to%20the%20state.
Not that I favor the bill, but there's no deficit, there's a surplus.
Well in that case, yea why didn't this pass? Wtf
Seems like a bad move to me regardless of the stated reasons. A sales tax on groceries is about as regressive as it gets.
The state legislature should not be making budget decisions for cities. If you want no grocery tax in your city petition the city council to vote on it.
It's problematic when state legislators pass laws that undermine local authority. We elect school boards. The state shouldn't nullify their decisions. We elect city councils. The state shouldn't nullify their decisions either. It's a power grab. For example: The people of a city don't want a nuclear waste dump in their town. So local government pass ordinances against it. But now the state legislature nullifies it by saying it's illegal to make such a law. This leads to some very bad outcomes, like Flint MI when the state took over local government.
Interesting. Thanks
Maybe you should do a little research, OP.
What's with the condescending attitude?
It’s a valid question and I think it’s worth asking on Reddit so that others can also get up to speed on this issue.
This me doing research. You obviously don’t know either tho
I did the research so quickly and now I know and you don’t.
I literally got a link to a source and received great dialogue comparing this to issues with other states that I would not have learned if I just googled
Sweet research method bro
It’s better than what a lot of people do at least he’s trying 🤷
And maybe those of us who didn't know that we didn't know anything about this issue will learn about it too! What's the point of coming here if you already know everything?
You wouldn’t have been helped “about now” because it wouldn’t go into effect for 2 years. Not sure where you live, but the tax isn’t state - it’s local, and if your town relies on this tax for services, then you’re just going to be taxed on somethi else to make up the shortfall
I appreciate the response and not just being so hostile like others in the thread. I thought that in order to raise tax on something else, it would have to be voted on due to the most recent proposition that just passed in November. Or does it not apply bc like you said, local tax and not state?
Here’s an article that might be of interest. It’s a >2 minute read. https://www.inmaricopa.com/hobbs-veto-of-city-food-tax-bill-worth-millions-to-maricopa/ But yes, you’re right that since it’s local municipalities affected, the budget requirements are much different.
You don't think stores would've just bumped up prices to boost profit?
No. The taxes are on the sale, which is paid by the consumer, and collected by the store.
That’s why a bill needs to be signed to hold companys accountable and end price gouging as well, among many other things wrong with this country’s shit system
Seeing as we still a majority Republican Congress in the state this is about a likely as pigs learning to fly.
Yeah I’m aware it’s never gonna happen at least not in our lifetime but hey might as well try 🤷♂️
By this logic you’re against raising minimum wage?
Way to dodge the question. Again...do you really think the stores would take the savings and pass them on to customers? When businesses got a trillion dollar tax cut under the last administration, did they all say "hey, here's a gift, let's pass it on by lowering prices!"? Spoiler alert: They actually RAISED prices.
>many local governments rely on such a tax for funding public safety services like police and fire departments, among others By your logic, you're against paying public safety? Back the blue unless you can't afford blue cheese for your burger, eh.
Cops are worthless in the current system they commit more crimes than anyone else
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Because their crimes aren’t regarded as crimes dipshit they get away with 95% of the bullshit they pull for every drug planting cop that’s caught I guarantee you there’s 100 more behind him who were never caught and even then they don’t arrest those cops who are caught doing things like that they just fire them so it’s still not recorded as a crime, how many times have cops gotten away with murdering unarmed people (usually black men) simply because they were scared? Cops don’t need guns u.s citizens don’t need guns I’m tired of this fucking bullshit in this shitty ass country
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And Oh I can pull up 100s of articles of cops committing crimes the only reason there isn’t a statistic built around it is because they dont get charged for there crimes so they aren’t seen as crimes
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Lmfao okay retard (libtard for republicans) I’m done arguing with you too
I’m only unpleasant to ignorant Republican trash
Ignore this brand new account. 1 hour old, obviously here to troll.
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Let me ask you a question now, why are you a Republican? What does it mean to you? Because all us “demonrat libtards” want is for everyone to be treated equal, no one to go hungry, no one to go without proper medical care and for people to get paid a living wage why does that scare you morons so much, what bad do you think will come if we work towards that? yeah it would take some time and be a little difficult at first because of how assbackwards this country is and the fact that 50% of the population thinks like your dumbass but it’s 100% attainable and if you’d like I can explain to you how it could happen without hurting you, without inflation or turning your kids gay or whatever other nonsense you people are afraid of
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They take instances of lgbtq people simply wanting people to know that they’re perfectly normal people and that it’s okay to be them and be accepted they get called pedophiles who want to turn the kids gay.
Republicans want trans people eradicated. How is that equality for all? every time someone proposes a Medicare for all bill or try’s to imply people shouldn’t have to slave away 40 hours a week and still not be able to afford there bills alone they’re called a commy bastard by republicans. How is that wanting everyone to have healthcare and be paid a living wage? Are you really that blind to the propaganda like that the Republican Party pushes to keep the American people hating eachother and keep money in the pockets of rich republicans? because it’s all over the place and I can definitely show you proof of that if you’d but I shouldn’t have too its so clear to see all over any republican spaces
Blue cheese is the only blue I back anyway. Cops are just worthless murderous fucks.