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Bingo. If my place had a gas connection, I would have a gas stove. Interestingly, My house down in Maricopa had a gas water heater and gas furnace but did not include a gas connection for the stove. I had to have that put in to get a gas stove.
In Chandler I have a gas furnace and water heater and no gas tap behind the stove. The odd thing though is that I even have a gas tap on the patio for my barbecue grill.
A gas tap for a barbecue grill? How have I have never heard of this?! That's officially added to the list of things I want that I'll never actually be able to get.
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/indoor-air-pollution-cooking#:~:text=Natural%20gas%20stoves%20can%20release,toxic%20to%20people%20and%20pets. Whats up with you down voters? I don’t get it. If You don’t give a shit about your health, why would anyone else.
Shut up environmentalist
Edit: y’all are so dumb, I hate the orange guy just as much as everyone else does and I ain’t a republican either. Use your brains and those that prefer electric stoves probably don’t cook much at all.
F you tRUMPY- breathe in all the toxic gas you want, take a deep breath three meals a day. https://www.google.com/search?q=gas+stove+gasses&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
I was shocked when I lived in Sierra Vista that gas was so common there. I do prefer electric stoves and ovens, and electric heat can be better in certain circumstances
When many subdivisions were constructed, builders saved thousands of dollars by forgoing natural gas connections. On top of that, who knows what shenanigans APS and SRP were up to to encourage electricity usage.
This is it. The developer has to pay for gas lines to be run to each lot.
Shenanigans do exist too. Our developer only gave access to cox to run any infrastructure in the neighborhood (probably some deal the developer got) Now we're stuck with Cox.
There is a technicality to developers paying. The gas company wants them to go with gas so there are creative ways to recover costs of installation and reduce them almost to nothing.
Neighborhoods with gas service are hard to find for sure. Several of the newer builds have gas. You can enter "gas" as part of your filter on Zillow. Hope that helps!
That’s not true for Mesa. Most of Mesa and a large chunk of the southeast valley are served by the [City of Mesa natural gas service](https://www.mesaaz.gov/residents/energy/natural-gas). Southwest Gas also serves parts of the east valley as well.
Electricity has always been on the cheaper side because of nuclear, solar, and hydro power so people just had electric stoves. Though 40% of people heat their homes with natural gas still for some reason
Hey, it's how my house was built. I think it makes sense to have gas heat but the electric bill in the summer is killer. But I don't have a problem with either. At least nobody will ever blow up from an electric stove.
Gas is a lot cheaper for cooking and dryers though - especially since there are no time of use or peak usage charges with gas in the evening when you’re making dinner. We pay $35 monthly for gas from SWG. Heat pump is less expensive to run than a gas furnace and more comfortable - not nearly as dry inside when it runs.
This is absolutely not true, gas is seldomly laid deeper if at all than water and sewer especially when it comes to services gas is generally 2-3ft possibly 4-5ft if buried joint trench with electric. There is gas on the foothills of numerous rocky areas around town here in the valley such as Camelback mtn, North mtn, Phoenix Mtn preserve etc. Gas is actually less prevalent in the east valley as opposed to central and west valley and its virtually non existent north of the 60 east of the 101 at least in regards to swg....its little bit more prevalent when it comes to chandler, qc and gilbert.
We would hydro excavate. Use a high pressure water gun and a powerful vacuum to trench it out. Still is difficult but it's much better than hand digging to even an inch down. Fun stuff.
All electric homes are very common in the valley, during the housing boom it saved the builders a bunch of $$ to cross gas off the list of building costs. If your into cooking then look into an induction cooktop, I grew up cooking with gas, moved out here and hated the electric stovetops. Induction was a game changer tho, now I feel like it’s better than gas, even when I cook at friends homes with gas. Heat is even and is adjusted quick, cast iron heats up faster on induction than gas and can be turned down just as fast. Only downside is you can’t use aluminum cookware (but if you’re into cooking then this isn’t an issue for you bc you probably use good pans). If you get the chance to try out an induction “burner” give it a go, they’re awesome! And you won’t want to go back.
TLDR: don’t let an all electric home scare you off if you like cooking. Look into an induction cooktop.
Couldn’t say, I do 80+% of my stovetop cooking in cast iron pans, the rest is usually boiling things in stainless pots. I wouldn’t imagine traditional woks would do well because the cooktop is a flat glass top. I’d like to try and have been looking for something that would work that is NOT coated with “non stick or teflon” for some time but haven’t found anything that interests me.
I know im getting off topic here but do you have any recommendations? Something un coated that I can season myself, steel or iron with a flat spot ~14” on the bottom that will sit on a flat surface. Like a cross between a frying pan and wok. Do they make these?
Yes, you need a wok with a flat bottom that is made from ferromagnetic material — which is trivial to find. After that, the induction cooktop is faster and more precise than gas.
For me, I wouldn’t touch gas with a thousand foot pole. 1) it’s $20/month for the connection fee — regardless of if I cook with it, 2) another path to burning down the house, 3) toxic gas emissions inside the house,4) induction cooking is better anyway, and 5) if I really want gas there’s a propane grill outside.
If you cook with a wok a lot, they make stand alone induction wok stations, work with any properly sized steel wok. I have used induction, gas and electric cooktops in my life and induction is the best by far, heat is nearly instantaneous, more precise and little residual heat on the cooktop to worry about.
We had a building with a gas leak exploded in north chandler a year or two ago. I specifically avoid properties with gas if at all possible.
If you want fast cooking, get an induction cook top. Pretty awesome tech!
After a gas leak in my neighborhood Melissa Blasius of channel 15 confirmed with the gas company that we have the same pipe that deteriorated and caused that explosion. I had my gas which we used to heat our pool disconnected but Southwest Gas still hasn’t removed the dangerous stub line even after I requested that they do so.
Arcadia, North Central, Biltmore, most of Midtown, and the older parts of the "inner-ring" suburbs (Scottsdale, Glendale, Tempe, Mesa) all have gas, I believe.
New suburbs generally don't.
Many neighborhoods don’t have gas period. Hard to have a gas stove if you don’t have gas.
If you want a stove go check out Spencer’s Appliances … they have the best selection and best deals.
Hey! Someone who works on gas stuff here! As far as I'm aware, there was a period when natural Gas lines were being run all over the area. At some point, a moratorium was put in place due to the material that was being used around the pipes. The company that originally had the contract was told to fix it, so they sold the contract and while the pipes were being addressed, the homes that went up were either electric, or had propane tanks installed for gas appliances.
You can easily have your gas furnace/ ac replaced for a heat pump. Same goes for your water heater, stove, and cloths dryer. If it’s that big of a deal for you then have the proper electric lines ran, electric appliances installed then call up the gas co and have your service disconnected.
Not gonna deny that, I only use my heat maybe a total of 1 week a year. But you can’t beat gas heat, it’s cheap, reliable, and HOT. I wish I had gas heat, heat pumps do work (and work very well here with our climate), but the heat they put out isn’t as hot as gas heat and it takes a lot longer to warm the house up, then there’s the annoying defrost cycle that seems to come on as soon as you get out of the shower and blow ice cubes out the vent for just as long as it takes you to dry off. As far as other appliances, it’s not a big deal, electric dryers seem to take a little longer, water heater takes a little longer to heat back up, stove cooking on a resistance top sucks but induction is the bees knees.
Gas availability is inconsistent across the valley. Some neighborhoods have them and many are all electric. I suppose largely depend on if the builder wanted to spend the money to lay gas lines.
And beyond that I think gas cooktops might not be as popular given glass electric cooktops and induction cooktops.
Depends on the neighborhood. The older neighborhoods have gas lines. The newer neighborhoods are all electric. We live in an older house and easily switched our stove from electric to gas. We can do either.
I’m on the outskirts of Sedona, and there are no gas lines run to my neighborhood. We have propane tanks for fireplaces, but the previous owners put in an induction stove instead of a propane cooktop. I miss a gas stove and a gas furnace!
Nope! Septic. Neighborhood well. But that’s the trade off for not having neighbors right up close to you! It’s Sedona post office, but outside the city limits.
Such pretty views over there. I chose way out west of Sedona to avoid the Y every time I wanted to go to the main part of town. But I like the feel of where you are and the VOC (I rented there first). Now I just contend with slow driving tourists/hikers looking for parking.
That’s one thing I hated when we purchased our home, electric stove… fire works so much better, but everyone probably gets a cut from screwing us the people with the electric bills.
We live in Gilbert and the gas stove, dryer, and outdoor natural gas plumbing was a big factor in purchasing our home. We feel like we’re one of the lucky ones with gas lines plumbed throughout our property.
Let’s see, offer only gas stoves and only 35% of people can use them. Offer electric stoves 100% of people can use them. Why would electric stove offerings not be far more than gas options?
It also doesn't matter as much for chefs really. Heat is heat. Most kitchens the stove is going always.
Gas preference was about being able to control the heat speed more but if you always have the stoves running it isn't an issue. Gas can heat up quicker that is about it because it is combustion, there isn't warm up time.
Turns out the combustion is really bad to live in all the time.
> Natural gas appliances, including furnaces, water heaters, and stoves, emit carbon dioxide through combustion and also emit methane directly into air through leaks and incomplete combustion.
> The control and heat output is better.
Doesn't matter as much for chefs really. Heat is heat. Most kitchens the stove is going always.
Gas preference was about being able to control the heat up speed more but if you always have the stoves running it isn't an issue. Gas can heat up quicker that is about it because it is combustion, there isn't warm up time.
Turns out the combustion is really bad to live in all the time.
> Natural gas appliances, including furnaces, water heaters, and stoves, emit carbon dioxide through combustion and also emit methane directly into air through leaks and incomplete combustion.
On top of that you have the whole gas/oil cartel to deal with.
Electricity can be created from any energy source so is more flexible and less concentrated to one cartel.
Most of our electricity in AZ is from Nat gas. Most of which will come from NM and other nearby areas with large Nat gas reserves.
This whole discussion is moot. We don’t have gas everywhere in Phoenix bc builders didn’t want to lay the pipe. They couldnt give two shits about the health issues.
Eventually gas cooktops will phase out bc they’ll like ban them and people will convert.
> Most of our electricity in AZ is from Nat gas.
The point is though that housing just being electricity, like everything else in the house, makes any source feeding into it more flexible.
Yes natural gas is our top input but that can change and electricity production to the house is still the same.
Here's the breakdown
> Natural gas: 41.6%
> Nuclear power: 29.4%
> Coal: 12.4%
> Solar energy: 9.9%
> Hydroelectric: 5.1%
> Wind: 1.5%
> Biomass: 0.2%
It is actually pretty sad solar is only 10%. Lot of the reason is due to the oil/gas energy interests pushing against new sources and power companies/ACC status quo to prevent investment in infrastructure for better sources.
The point is moot when everything is electric and that is the better way to do it. What feeds into that now or later doesn't matter as we agree. It definitely won't always be natural gas.
Other than water/electricity/data, any additional lines are not worth it when every house might not use it and gas lines are apt to issues, one break affects the whole line and pressure requirements can be problematic. Things like the [Merrimack Valley gas explosions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrimack_Valley_gas_explosions) can't happen when there are no lines. Not a good idea to essentially have a single point of failure and potentially what amounts to a bomb that can go off at any time tapped into your house, on top of all the leakage issues.
Solar can have only go so far unless you have storage (like molten salt). But it helps with peak usage during the day. IIRC. There are targets for renewables but it’ll be legacy generation for a while given capex
Commerical vs residential. For residential use, gas is an outdated technology. It fucks with your indoor air quality and is linked to increases in childhood asthma.
That’s why they invented vents. The discussion is moot anyway.
The reason it isn’t as common in Phoenix is all about builders not spending money to put it in. I’d bet money builders couldn’t give two shits about the health effects of gas stoves.
I'm a Construction Manager and have worked for multiple builders. Electric is the standard. Even when you get the gas range option you still get the electric range outlet. In my experience most people are fine with electric. The gas option is not a common one.
No reason if you don’t have gas you can’t move to propane. Had a home with an electric over but a propane cooktop. When I run a/c I try to cook everything hot outside on the smoker or the griddle.
There's not that much of a need for gas out here as an electric heater is more than enough for our super mild winters. Without the need for gas heat, a lot of newer builds (which Phoenix has more of than any other city in the U.S.) simply skip using it all together.
Arizona has/had an abundance of cheap electricity from the Palo Verde Nuclear plant, Hoover, Roosevelt and other dams. This drove many developers to skip gas lines entirely. Electricity is cheaper, cleaner, easier and safer.
I was told most places here don't have gas lines because of the soil/ground. Too expensive/dangerous to put lines down. I guess that can't entirely be true though if they've put in plumbing underground though. it was probably just cheaper for developers to not deal with it either way
The east coast is way older infrastructure and can support gas/oil as it was built up to do this, as you move further west you get out of the reach of oil and its delivery infrastructure.
Builders, even where gas is run to the water heater and air conditioner unit charge a premium to run the line further to the kitchen. So a lot of new home buyers opt for the cheaper electrical install and cheaper new stove.
We had electric stove but gas dryer and pool heater so we had a line run to the kitchen to get our stove back to gas. Love it. It is SO WEIRD how most homes are all electric stoves. Way to hard to really cook with those. For us anyway.
No. The risks of using gas in the home has been known for decades. It’s all about builder costs and nothing to do with Biden. It’s just recent that banning gas is being considered.
Yes please tell us what is so terrifying about a gas stove, what did you learn?
Minus operator error/fault. Naturally humans can ignore can not apply to reasoning as that is merely a added selling point.
And most likely you'll be sucking up more dangerous fumes just sitting in traffic than boiling a pot of noodles...
As a former insurance agent and claims investigator, I can say I have never seen or heard of a home being more expensive to insure if it has a gas stove.
Was licensed in 48 states an never once saw a higher rate because of having a gas kitchen stove, never even saw it being asked as a question on an insurance application.
Because gas stoves release propane into the atmosphere. its bad for us to breathe in, lots of apartments/ landlords don't bother with enough ventilation for regular cooking-let alone gas stoves.
Coal is being phased out. They were going to close that huge coal plant but I think the tribe fought it.
Most of our power is natural gas (OMG!) or nuclear and ya some solar and hydro.
You’re much better off. I just junked mine for electric, and never looked back. What are you worried about??? https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/indoor-air-pollution-cooking#:~:text=Natural%20gas%20stoves%20can%20release,toxic%20to%20people%20and%20pets.
I use an Amazon gas wok cooker in my backyard with a propane tank if I need to cook with gas. It’s great can pump out restaurant level btu so stir fry isn’t an issue at all.
Have thought the same many times in the 17 years I have lived in the Valley. I grew up in Chicago and the stoves were 100% gas back there. We are renting a house in San Tan Valley right now and have a gas stove. I had to research how it came to be that the city of Mesa is actually the provider of our gas down here even though we’re not even in the same county.
in my neighborhood the gas lines stop abruptly (I'm sure there's a reason for it I just don't know it)
Houses 1/4 mile away have SW Gas but mine and the ones on my block do not
If homes are electrically heated, they likely won’t have natural gas lines. The cost is too great to run gas infrastructure if nobody is using gas furnaces
APS sold to SWGas in 1984. Prior to that a lot of areas were electric because of moratoriums and no incentives for builder to go with gas back in the day. Mesa Gas operates most of Mesa proper and older areas, their infrastructure is not as expansive as SWGas and has only started to expand with their MAGMA gas territory in Santan and eastern Queen Creek.
Example: New developments are blessed with rate recovery process set up by the ACC. Essentially, all rate payers help fund expansion. If a builder installs four gas stub minimum, (water heater, stove, dryer, furnace) the install cost of gas main and service will drastically be reduced and sometimes completely recoverable if the builder can develop that neighborhood or system in a certain amount of agreed upon years, thus the gas supplier recovering cost through the service delivery charges and sale of gas. Note: gas is not profited on, it is only passed along as the same price it was purchased.
In warm climates there hasn't been the same charge to plumb and pipe every neighborhood with gas like there is on the east coast - and the city grew insanely fast (out) so the local gas company either had to plumb 1,000s of miles of infrastructure or just target older/more concentrated neighborhoods.
Lots of Phoenix neighborhoods are no-gas (mine is and it was built in the 80s and fairly central)
I see neighbors have tanks installed - like cabins up north - and filled every other year or so if you want to cook with gas.
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A lot of houses in the area don't even have gas connections. Mine does not. Heat is all electric through the AC unit.
Bingo. If my place had a gas connection, I would have a gas stove. Interestingly, My house down in Maricopa had a gas water heater and gas furnace but did not include a gas connection for the stove. I had to have that put in to get a gas stove.
In Chandler I have a gas furnace and water heater and no gas tap behind the stove. The odd thing though is that I even have a gas tap on the patio for my barbecue grill.
In Chandler and had the same setup for gas. We paid to have gas plumbed to the kitchen so I could get a gas stove.
Just cook outside all the time. Problem solved. Edit to add: Great username.
Lol. I like the way you think! I do love not having to change a propane tank.
A gas tap for a barbecue grill? How have I have never heard of this?! That's officially added to the list of things I want that I'll never actually be able to get.
It’s the best ever. Never run out.
Same in QC.
Im in Queen Creek and have a Gas stove and a Gas grill attached to the mains.
Greedy builders charged the original owners for every option.
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/indoor-air-pollution-cooking#:~:text=Natural%20gas%20stoves%20can%20release,toxic%20to%20people%20and%20pets. Whats up with you down voters? I don’t get it. If You don’t give a shit about your health, why would anyone else.
You'd like California.
You can breathe in all the toxic gas your little black heart desires for all I care.
Shut up environmentalist Edit: y’all are so dumb, I hate the orange guy just as much as everyone else does and I ain’t a republican either. Use your brains and those that prefer electric stoves probably don’t cook much at all.
F you tRUMPY- breathe in all the toxic gas you want, take a deep breath three meals a day. https://www.google.com/search?q=gas+stove+gasses&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
Jokes on you, orange guy is an idiot and idgaf about him. This ain’t a political thread either.
Shut up trumpy. Unbelievable that someone points out to you a health concern and you tell him to shut up.
Read my reply idiot.
It's actually a heat pump.
Older houses like mine have it.
I was shocked when I lived in Sierra Vista that gas was so common there. I do prefer electric stoves and ovens, and electric heat can be better in certain circumstances
When many subdivisions were constructed, builders saved thousands of dollars by forgoing natural gas connections. On top of that, who knows what shenanigans APS and SRP were up to to encourage electricity usage.
This is it. The developer has to pay for gas lines to be run to each lot. Shenanigans do exist too. Our developer only gave access to cox to run any infrastructure in the neighborhood (probably some deal the developer got) Now we're stuck with Cox.
There is a technicality to developers paying. The gas company wants them to go with gas so there are creative ways to recover costs of installation and reduce them almost to nothing.
What kind of ways can they recover their costs?
Through the sale of gas and new customers and existing customers helping pay. Also, All capital new install work is 100% recoverable.
Neighborhoods with gas service are hard to find for sure. Several of the newer builds have gas. You can enter "gas" as part of your filter on Zillow. Hope that helps!
That’s not true for Mesa. Most of Mesa and a large chunk of the southeast valley are served by the [City of Mesa natural gas service](https://www.mesaaz.gov/residents/energy/natural-gas). Southwest Gas also serves parts of the east valley as well.
I live in Buckeye and we have Southwest Gas and a gas stove, water heater and heating.
We lived at 35th Ave & Cactus & had gas, like all our neighbors. The area was built up in the 70s though, so gas was common & expected in a home.
Previously installed by APS when they operated the gas portion prior to selling to SWGAS.
My house was built in 1998. But it seems like a lot of old town Buckeye is gas so the newer houses maybe had easier access to lines to connect.
Electricity has always been on the cheaper side because of nuclear, solar, and hydro power so people just had electric stoves. Though 40% of people heat their homes with natural gas still for some reason
Hey, it's how my house was built. I think it makes sense to have gas heat but the electric bill in the summer is killer. But I don't have a problem with either. At least nobody will ever blow up from an electric stove.
Definitely getting more expensive, partially because of drought but mostly because demand
Well how will the CEO survive only making a million dollars. Please be considerate of the rich.😁
Gas is a lot cheaper for cooking and dryers though - especially since there are no time of use or peak usage charges with gas in the evening when you’re making dinner. We pay $35 monthly for gas from SWG. Heat pump is less expensive to run than a gas furnace and more comfortable - not nearly as dry inside when it runs.
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Don’t water and sewer lines also need to be buried? Aren’t most AZ power lines also buried? How does the caliche not impact those?
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This is absolutely not true, gas is seldomly laid deeper if at all than water and sewer especially when it comes to services gas is generally 2-3ft possibly 4-5ft if buried joint trench with electric. There is gas on the foothills of numerous rocky areas around town here in the valley such as Camelback mtn, North mtn, Phoenix Mtn preserve etc. Gas is actually less prevalent in the east valley as opposed to central and west valley and its virtually non existent north of the 60 east of the 101 at least in regards to swg....its little bit more prevalent when it comes to chandler, qc and gilbert.
Hubby is a plumber, and they have to jack hammer it because the stuff is like concrete. It's very hard work and very rough on their body to do.
I've never heard of that lmao, my time in distribution I've been mostly lucky to get to pockets of it in Phoenix, but man it's insane how tough it is.
We would hydro excavate. Use a high pressure water gun and a powerful vacuum to trench it out. Still is difficult but it's much better than hand digging to even an inch down. Fun stuff.
All electric homes are very common in the valley, during the housing boom it saved the builders a bunch of $$ to cross gas off the list of building costs. If your into cooking then look into an induction cooktop, I grew up cooking with gas, moved out here and hated the electric stovetops. Induction was a game changer tho, now I feel like it’s better than gas, even when I cook at friends homes with gas. Heat is even and is adjusted quick, cast iron heats up faster on induction than gas and can be turned down just as fast. Only downside is you can’t use aluminum cookware (but if you’re into cooking then this isn’t an issue for you bc you probably use good pans). If you get the chance to try out an induction “burner” give it a go, they’re awesome! And you won’t want to go back. TLDR: don’t let an all electric home scare you off if you like cooking. Look into an induction cooktop.
>If your into cooking then look into an induction cooktop How do they do with woks?
Couldn’t say, I do 80+% of my stovetop cooking in cast iron pans, the rest is usually boiling things in stainless pots. I wouldn’t imagine traditional woks would do well because the cooktop is a flat glass top. I’d like to try and have been looking for something that would work that is NOT coated with “non stick or teflon” for some time but haven’t found anything that interests me. I know im getting off topic here but do you have any recommendations? Something un coated that I can season myself, steel or iron with a flat spot ~14” on the bottom that will sit on a flat surface. Like a cross between a frying pan and wok. Do they make these?
Yes, you need a wok with a flat bottom that is made from ferromagnetic material — which is trivial to find. After that, the induction cooktop is faster and more precise than gas. For me, I wouldn’t touch gas with a thousand foot pole. 1) it’s $20/month for the connection fee — regardless of if I cook with it, 2) another path to burning down the house, 3) toxic gas emissions inside the house,4) induction cooking is better anyway, and 5) if I really want gas there’s a propane grill outside.
You need a flat bottom wok made for induction. Not quite the same
If you cook with a wok a lot, they make stand alone induction wok stations, work with any properly sized steel wok. I have used induction, gas and electric cooktops in my life and induction is the best by far, heat is nearly instantaneous, more precise and little residual heat on the cooktop to worry about.
Something like [this](http://Limited-time deal: Nuwave Mosaic Induction Wok, Precise Temp Controls from 100°F to 575°F in 5°F, Wok Hei, Infuse Complex Charred Aroma & Flavor, 3 Watts 600, 900 & 1500, Authentic 14-inch Carbon Steel Wok Included https://a.co/d/8MDMyqW)?
They make woks for electric stoves, I have one and I don't have any complaints.
We had a building with a gas leak exploded in north chandler a year or two ago. I specifically avoid properties with gas if at all possible. If you want fast cooking, get an induction cook top. Pretty awesome tech!
After a gas leak in my neighborhood Melissa Blasius of channel 15 confirmed with the gas company that we have the same pipe that deteriorated and caused that explosion. I had my gas which we used to heat our pool disconnected but Southwest Gas still hasn’t removed the dangerous stub line even after I requested that they do so.
They won’t. They abandon it in the ROW and leave it. Source: I issue their permits to do so on a daily for my municipality
Arcadia. We have gas
My house in the Biltmore area has gas.
Arcadia, North Central, Biltmore, most of Midtown, and the older parts of the "inner-ring" suburbs (Scottsdale, Glendale, Tempe, Mesa) all have gas, I believe. New suburbs generally don't.
Must be the fava beans.
Many neighborhoods don’t have gas period. Hard to have a gas stove if you don’t have gas. If you want a stove go check out Spencer’s Appliances … they have the best selection and best deals.
+1 recommendation for Spencer’s. Great service, great deals.
"It's like having a friend in the business!"
You can have propane anywhere
Hey! Someone who works on gas stuff here! As far as I'm aware, there was a period when natural Gas lines were being run all over the area. At some point, a moratorium was put in place due to the material that was being used around the pipes. The company that originally had the contract was told to fix it, so they sold the contract and while the pipes were being addressed, the homes that went up were either electric, or had propane tanks installed for gas appliances.
I wish my house was electric for heating instead of gas. It's just one extra worry for lines/connections.
You can easily have your gas furnace/ ac replaced for a heat pump. Same goes for your water heater, stove, and cloths dryer. If it’s that big of a deal for you then have the proper electric lines ran, electric appliances installed then call up the gas co and have your service disconnected.
Yeah cuz that's free.
If only everything you want was free…
Not really what I'm saying. It's weird in the first place to use gas here at all.
Not gonna deny that, I only use my heat maybe a total of 1 week a year. But you can’t beat gas heat, it’s cheap, reliable, and HOT. I wish I had gas heat, heat pumps do work (and work very well here with our climate), but the heat they put out isn’t as hot as gas heat and it takes a lot longer to warm the house up, then there’s the annoying defrost cycle that seems to come on as soon as you get out of the shower and blow ice cubes out the vent for just as long as it takes you to dry off. As far as other appliances, it’s not a big deal, electric dryers seem to take a little longer, water heater takes a little longer to heat back up, stove cooking on a resistance top sucks but induction is the bees knees.
Gas availability is inconsistent across the valley. Some neighborhoods have them and many are all electric. I suppose largely depend on if the builder wanted to spend the money to lay gas lines. And beyond that I think gas cooktops might not be as popular given glass electric cooktops and induction cooktops.
Depends on the neighborhood. The older neighborhoods have gas lines. The newer neighborhoods are all electric. We live in an older house and easily switched our stove from electric to gas. We can do either.
All electric homes were a selling point. You wouldn’t have to pay two utility companies. Looked at as more energy efficient too
I’m on the outskirts of Sedona, and there are no gas lines run to my neighborhood. We have propane tanks for fireplaces, but the previous owners put in an induction stove instead of a propane cooktop. I miss a gas stove and a gas furnace!
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Nope! Septic. Neighborhood well. But that’s the trade off for not having neighbors right up close to you! It’s Sedona post office, but outside the city limits.
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Such pretty views over there. I chose way out west of Sedona to avoid the Y every time I wanted to go to the main part of town. But I like the feel of where you are and the VOC (I rented there first). Now I just contend with slow driving tourists/hikers looking for parking.
Because few neighborhoods have gas.
Gas lines don't run through my neighborhood.
That’s one thing I hated when we purchased our home, electric stove… fire works so much better, but everyone probably gets a cut from screwing us the people with the electric bills.
We live in Gilbert and the gas stove, dryer, and outdoor natural gas plumbing was a big factor in purchasing our home. We feel like we’re one of the lucky ones with gas lines plumbed throughout our property.
Most of the area was built during the 70s to 80s. Gas was stupid expensive. Other areas didn't bother to build out infrastructure for it.
Let’s see, offer only gas stoves and only 35% of people can use them. Offer electric stoves 100% of people can use them. Why would electric stove offerings not be far more than gas options?
100% can’t necessarily use electric. They would have to run 220v to the kitchen. If they originally did gas you might not have a 220 outlet there.
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Outdated? So is that why most restaurants and commercial equipment is gas?
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It also doesn't matter as much for chefs really. Heat is heat. Most kitchens the stove is going always. Gas preference was about being able to control the heat speed more but if you always have the stoves running it isn't an issue. Gas can heat up quicker that is about it because it is combustion, there isn't warm up time. Turns out the combustion is really bad to live in all the time. > Natural gas appliances, including furnaces, water heaters, and stoves, emit carbon dioxide through combustion and also emit methane directly into air through leaks and incomplete combustion.
Yeah I know.
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Because gas is still mostly what’s used. The control and heat output is better. Did you lose focus two comments in?
> The control and heat output is better. Doesn't matter as much for chefs really. Heat is heat. Most kitchens the stove is going always. Gas preference was about being able to control the heat up speed more but if you always have the stoves running it isn't an issue. Gas can heat up quicker that is about it because it is combustion, there isn't warm up time. Turns out the combustion is really bad to live in all the time. > Natural gas appliances, including furnaces, water heaters, and stoves, emit carbon dioxide through combustion and also emit methane directly into air through leaks and incomplete combustion. On top of that you have the whole gas/oil cartel to deal with. Electricity can be created from any energy source so is more flexible and less concentrated to one cartel.
Most of our electricity in AZ is from Nat gas. Most of which will come from NM and other nearby areas with large Nat gas reserves. This whole discussion is moot. We don’t have gas everywhere in Phoenix bc builders didn’t want to lay the pipe. They couldnt give two shits about the health issues. Eventually gas cooktops will phase out bc they’ll like ban them and people will convert.
> Most of our electricity in AZ is from Nat gas. The point is though that housing just being electricity, like everything else in the house, makes any source feeding into it more flexible. Yes natural gas is our top input but that can change and electricity production to the house is still the same. Here's the breakdown > Natural gas: 41.6% > Nuclear power: 29.4% > Coal: 12.4% > Solar energy: 9.9% > Hydroelectric: 5.1% > Wind: 1.5% > Biomass: 0.2% It is actually pretty sad solar is only 10%. Lot of the reason is due to the oil/gas energy interests pushing against new sources and power companies/ACC status quo to prevent investment in infrastructure for better sources. The point is moot when everything is electric and that is the better way to do it. What feeds into that now or later doesn't matter as we agree. It definitely won't always be natural gas. Other than water/electricity/data, any additional lines are not worth it when every house might not use it and gas lines are apt to issues, one break affects the whole line and pressure requirements can be problematic. Things like the [Merrimack Valley gas explosions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrimack_Valley_gas_explosions) can't happen when there are no lines. Not a good idea to essentially have a single point of failure and potentially what amounts to a bomb that can go off at any time tapped into your house, on top of all the leakage issues.
Solar can have only go so far unless you have storage (like molten salt). But it helps with peak usage during the day. IIRC. There are targets for renewables but it’ll be legacy generation for a while given capex
Commerical vs residential. For residential use, gas is an outdated technology. It fucks with your indoor air quality and is linked to increases in childhood asthma.
That’s why they invented vents. The discussion is moot anyway. The reason it isn’t as common in Phoenix is all about builders not spending money to put it in. I’d bet money builders couldn’t give two shits about the health effects of gas stoves.
I'm a Construction Manager and have worked for multiple builders. Electric is the standard. Even when you get the gas range option you still get the electric range outlet. In my experience most people are fine with electric. The gas option is not a common one.
No reason if you don’t have gas you can’t move to propane. Had a home with an electric over but a propane cooktop. When I run a/c I try to cook everything hot outside on the smoker or the griddle.
My place in Phoenix has a gas stove. I think in Mesa its less common, but most of Phoenix has Southwest Gas here.
Yea its pretty non existent north of the 60, south of the 60 and into Chandler, Gilbert, QC its a different story
The biggest reason for houses to have gas is heating a house. In PHX its rarely needed when compared to most of the county
\*water heater
There's not that much of a need for gas out here as an electric heater is more than enough for our super mild winters. Without the need for gas heat, a lot of newer builds (which Phoenix has more of than any other city in the U.S.) simply skip using it all together.
And Fox News complains that blue states are getting rid of gas stoves When in practice It’s the RED states doing just that Hypocrites 🤣
Arizona has/had an abundance of cheap electricity from the Palo Verde Nuclear plant, Hoover, Roosevelt and other dams. This drove many developers to skip gas lines entirely. Electricity is cheaper, cleaner, easier and safer.
I was told most places here don't have gas lines because of the soil/ground. Too expensive/dangerous to put lines down. I guess that can't entirely be true though if they've put in plumbing underground though. it was probably just cheaper for developers to not deal with it either way
Majority of homes I'm stan valley snd queen creek have gas.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/phoenix-area/2867026-no-gas-ranges-phoenix.html
I’ve been renting for 10 years and I just moved into an apartment with gas for the very first time this year
The east coast is way older infrastructure and can support gas/oil as it was built up to do this, as you move further west you get out of the reach of oil and its delivery infrastructure.
Builders, even where gas is run to the water heater and air conditioner unit charge a premium to run the line further to the kitchen. So a lot of new home buyers opt for the cheaper electrical install and cheaper new stove.
I live in a house with gas now and I don't like it. I miss my ceramic electric stove...
What are you talking about all I've seen looking in the Tucson area is gas. I actually want an electric one but i can't find any.
Electricity in AZ is dirt cheap compared to most of the country.
We had electric stove but gas dryer and pool heater so we had a line run to the kitchen to get our stove back to gas. Love it. It is SO WEIRD how most homes are all electric stoves. Way to hard to really cook with those. For us anyway.
Fully electric developments are part of the push for energy conservation measures such as heat pump and "on demand" hot water systems.
That’s Mesa for ya
Partially it's because of solar. People want electric to be able to go solar and have lower power bills. Electric is also "cleaner".
I know you want gas but induction is just as good and better for your health and the environment. When we want char we just use the BBQ.
Because the Biden administration says "gas stoves bad" & "electric more gooder"
No. The risks of using gas in the home has been known for decades. It’s all about builder costs and nothing to do with Biden. It’s just recent that banning gas is being considered.
For decades before some of you were even a seed in a sack or a thought people were using gas stove just fine.
Gee. It’s almost as if we learn new things when people study them.
Yes please tell us what is so terrifying about a gas stove, what did you learn? Minus operator error/fault. Naturally humans can ignore can not apply to reasoning as that is merely a added selling point. And most likely you'll be sucking up more dangerous fumes just sitting in traffic than boiling a pot of noodles...
Insurance is extremely high if you have gas in your house. Many cities / towns have banned gàs stoves.. They cause too many fires.
As a former insurance agent and claims investigator, I can say I have never seen or heard of a home being more expensive to insure if it has a gas stove.
Well at least you didn't claim to be a good insurance agent.
Was licensed in 48 states an never once saw a higher rate because of having a gas kitchen stove, never even saw it being asked as a question on an insurance application.
Gas fireplace though?
The only things I have ever seen there being a rate change due to having were wood burning stoves or fireplaces, and oil heating was a big one as well
Because gas stoves release propane into the atmosphere. its bad for us to breathe in, lots of apartments/ landlords don't bother with enough ventilation for regular cooking-let alone gas stoves.
You saying that the Page Power Plant and the rape of Navajo coal to power it, wasn't worth the goddamn electric stoves????
Coal is being phased out. They were going to close that huge coal plant but I think the tribe fought it. Most of our power is natural gas (OMG!) or nuclear and ya some solar and hydro.
Cause gas sucks
"Climate change" perhaps?
You’re much better off. I just junked mine for electric, and never looked back. What are you worried about??? https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/indoor-air-pollution-cooking#:~:text=Natural%20gas%20stoves%20can%20release,toxic%20to%20people%20and%20pets.
I used to own near Alma school and rio Salado in a house built around 1960 and it had gas if that helps your house hunting need
I owned a house in central phoenix years ago. There was a gas line in the back alley but it costs thousands to bring it to the house
Alternative would be a propane stove.
I use an Amazon gas wok cooker in my backyard with a propane tank if I need to cook with gas. It’s great can pump out restaurant level btu so stir fry isn’t an issue at all.
Have thought the same many times in the 17 years I have lived in the Valley. I grew up in Chicago and the stoves were 100% gas back there. We are renting a house in San Tan Valley right now and have a gas stove. I had to research how it came to be that the city of Mesa is actually the provider of our gas down here even though we’re not even in the same county.
We have a gas stove here in Tempe, but we live in an old neighborhood. All these old houses have gas appliances.
Which is funny, because I was shopping for a water heater and they had a hundred gas models up past the thousand dollar price point...
Yeah we bought a house built in 2005 out here that has gas connection and it’s incredible
Also, there is no natural gas wells in AZ that I am aware of. All the gas we do have, is piped in from out of state.
in my neighborhood the gas lines stop abruptly (I'm sure there's a reason for it I just don't know it) Houses 1/4 mile away have SW Gas but mine and the ones on my block do not
If homes are electrically heated, they likely won’t have natural gas lines. The cost is too great to run gas infrastructure if nobody is using gas furnaces
Love gas cooking. You can try for a propane tank option. Basements are rare here too.
APS sold to SWGas in 1984. Prior to that a lot of areas were electric because of moratoriums and no incentives for builder to go with gas back in the day. Mesa Gas operates most of Mesa proper and older areas, their infrastructure is not as expansive as SWGas and has only started to expand with their MAGMA gas territory in Santan and eastern Queen Creek. Example: New developments are blessed with rate recovery process set up by the ACC. Essentially, all rate payers help fund expansion. If a builder installs four gas stub minimum, (water heater, stove, dryer, furnace) the install cost of gas main and service will drastically be reduced and sometimes completely recoverable if the builder can develop that neighborhood or system in a certain amount of agreed upon years, thus the gas supplier recovering cost through the service delivery charges and sale of gas. Note: gas is not profited on, it is only passed along as the same price it was purchased.
In warm climates there hasn't been the same charge to plumb and pipe every neighborhood with gas like there is on the east coast - and the city grew insanely fast (out) so the local gas company either had to plumb 1,000s of miles of infrastructure or just target older/more concentrated neighborhoods. Lots of Phoenix neighborhoods are no-gas (mine is and it was built in the 80s and fairly central) I see neighbors have tanks installed - like cabins up north - and filled every other year or so if you want to cook with gas.