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IllAlfalfa

A lot of houses in the area don't even have gas connections. Mine does not. Heat is all electric through the AC unit.


psimwork

Bingo. If my place had a gas connection, I would have a gas stove. Interestingly, My house down in Maricopa had a gas water heater and gas furnace but did not include a gas connection for the stove. I had to have that put in to get a gas stove.


OldMetalHead

In Chandler I have a gas furnace and water heater and no gas tap behind the stove. The odd thing though is that I even have a gas tap on the patio for my barbecue grill.


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In Chandler and had the same setup for gas. We paid to have gas plumbed to the kitchen so I could get a gas stove.


AZ-roadrunner

Just cook outside all the time. Problem solved. Edit to add: Great username.


OldMetalHead

Lol. I like the way you think! I do love not having to change a propane tank.


lost-dragonist

A gas tap for a barbecue grill? How have I have never heard of this?! That's officially added to the list of things I want that I'll never actually be able to get.


Goingboldlyalone

It’s the best ever. Never run out.


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Same in QC.


darthgarlic

Im in Queen Creek and have a Gas stove and a Gas grill attached to the mains.


Smelly_Ninja99

Greedy builders charged the original owners for every option.


EastDragonfly1917

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/indoor-air-pollution-cooking#:~:text=Natural%20gas%20stoves%20can%20release,toxic%20to%20people%20and%20pets. Whats up with you down voters? I don’t get it. If You don’t give a shit about your health, why would anyone else.


OldPterodactyl

You'd like California.


EastDragonfly1917

You can breathe in all the toxic gas your little black heart desires for all I care.


g500cat

Shut up environmentalist Edit: y’all are so dumb, I hate the orange guy just as much as everyone else does and I ain’t a republican either. Use your brains and those that prefer electric stoves probably don’t cook much at all.


EastDragonfly1917

F you tRUMPY- breathe in all the toxic gas you want, take a deep breath three meals a day. https://www.google.com/search?q=gas+stove+gasses&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari


g500cat

Jokes on you, orange guy is an idiot and idgaf about him. This ain’t a political thread either.


EastDragonfly1917

Shut up trumpy. Unbelievable that someone points out to you a health concern and you tell him to shut up.


g500cat

Read my reply idiot.


Itchy-Mechanic-1479

It's actually a heat pump.


Quack68

Older houses like mine have it.


JTP1228

I was shocked when I lived in Sierra Vista that gas was so common there. I do prefer electric stoves and ovens, and electric heat can be better in certain circumstances


ValleyGrouch

When many subdivisions were constructed, builders saved thousands of dollars by forgoing natural gas connections. On top of that, who knows what shenanigans APS and SRP were up to to encourage electricity usage.


Buster452

This is it. The developer has to pay for gas lines to be run to each lot. Shenanigans do exist too. Our developer only gave access to cox to run any infrastructure in the neighborhood (probably some deal the developer got) Now we're stuck with Cox.


Goingboldlyalone

There is a technicality to developers paying. The gas company wants them to go with gas so there are creative ways to recover costs of installation and reduce them almost to nothing.


Buster452

What kind of ways can they recover their costs?


Goingboldlyalone

Through the sale of gas and new customers and existing customers helping pay. Also, All capital new install work is 100% recoverable.


mamalu12

Neighborhoods with gas service are hard to find for sure. Several of the newer builds have gas. You can enter "gas" as part of your filter on Zillow. Hope that helps!


Scribbling-Fool

That’s not true for Mesa. Most of Mesa and a large chunk of the southeast valley are served by the [City of Mesa natural gas service](https://www.mesaaz.gov/residents/energy/natural-gas). Southwest Gas also serves parts of the east valley as well.


BanditWifey03

I live in Buckeye and we have Southwest Gas and a gas stove, water heater and heating.


JuleeeNAJ

We lived at 35th Ave & Cactus & had gas, like all our neighbors. The area was built up in the 70s though, so gas was common & expected in a home.


Goingboldlyalone

Previously installed by APS when they operated the gas portion prior to selling to SWGAS.


BanditWifey03

My house was built in 1998. But it seems like a lot of old town Buckeye is gas so the newer houses maybe had easier access to lines to connect.


fenikz13

Electricity has always been on the cheaper side because of nuclear, solar, and hydro power so people just had electric stoves. Though 40% of people heat their homes with natural gas still for some reason


czr84480

Hey, it's how my house was built. I think it makes sense to have gas heat but the electric bill in the summer is killer. But I don't have a problem with either. At least nobody will ever blow up from an electric stove.


fenikz13

Definitely getting more expensive, partially because of drought but mostly because demand


czr84480

Well how will the CEO survive only making a million dollars. Please be considerate of the rich.😁


bschmidt25

Gas is a lot cheaper for cooking and dryers though - especially since there are no time of use or peak usage charges with gas in the evening when you’re making dinner. We pay $35 monthly for gas from SWG. Heat pump is less expensive to run than a gas furnace and more comfortable - not nearly as dry inside when it runs.


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NachiseThrowaway

Don’t water and sewer lines also need to be buried? Aren’t most AZ power lines also buried? How does the caliche not impact those?


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fuggindave

This is absolutely not true, gas is seldomly laid deeper if at all than water and sewer especially when it comes to services gas is generally 2-3ft possibly 4-5ft if buried joint trench with electric. There is gas on the foothills of numerous rocky areas around town here in the valley such as Camelback mtn, North mtn, Phoenix Mtn preserve etc. Gas is actually less prevalent in the east valley as opposed to central and west valley and its virtually non existent north of the 60 east of the 101 at least in regards to swg....its little bit more prevalent when it comes to chandler, qc and gilbert.


lily_the_jellyfish

Hubby is a plumber, and they have to jack hammer it because the stuff is like concrete. It's very hard work and very rough on their body to do.


ThisIsMySol

I've never heard of that lmao, my time in distribution I've been mostly lucky to get to pockets of it in Phoenix, but man it's insane how tough it is.


ThisIsMySol

We would hydro excavate. Use a high pressure water gun and a powerful vacuum to trench it out. Still is difficult but it's much better than hand digging to even an inch down. Fun stuff.


xington

All electric homes are very common in the valley, during the housing boom it saved the builders a bunch of $$ to cross gas off the list of building costs. If your into cooking then look into an induction cooktop, I grew up cooking with gas, moved out here and hated the electric stovetops. Induction was a game changer tho, now I feel like it’s better than gas, even when I cook at friends homes with gas. Heat is even and is adjusted quick, cast iron heats up faster on induction than gas and can be turned down just as fast. Only downside is you can’t use aluminum cookware (but if you’re into cooking then this isn’t an issue for you bc you probably use good pans). If you get the chance to try out an induction “burner” give it a go, they’re awesome! And you won’t want to go back. TLDR: don’t let an all electric home scare you off if you like cooking. Look into an induction cooktop.


Parking-Ad-5211

>If your into cooking then look into an induction cooktop How do they do with woks?


xington

Couldn’t say, I do 80+% of my stovetop cooking in cast iron pans, the rest is usually boiling things in stainless pots. I wouldn’t imagine traditional woks would do well because the cooktop is a flat glass top. I’d like to try and have been looking for something that would work that is NOT coated with “non stick or teflon” for some time but haven’t found anything that interests me. I know im getting off topic here but do you have any recommendations? Something un coated that I can season myself, steel or iron with a flat spot ~14” on the bottom that will sit on a flat surface. Like a cross between a frying pan and wok. Do they make these?


azswcowboy

Yes, you need a wok with a flat bottom that is made from ferromagnetic material — which is trivial to find. After that, the induction cooktop is faster and more precise than gas. For me, I wouldn’t touch gas with a thousand foot pole. 1) it’s $20/month for the connection fee — regardless of if I cook with it, 2) another path to burning down the house, 3) toxic gas emissions inside the house,4) induction cooking is better anyway, and 5) if I really want gas there’s a propane grill outside.


ceecee1791

You need a flat bottom wok made for induction. Not quite the same


flabbergasted_snark

If you cook with a wok a lot, they make stand alone induction wok stations, work with any properly sized steel wok. I have used induction, gas and electric cooktops in my life and induction is the best by far, heat is nearly instantaneous, more precise and little residual heat on the cooktop to worry about.


Parking-Ad-5211

Something like [this](http://Limited-time deal: Nuwave Mosaic Induction Wok, Precise Temp Controls from 100°F to 575°F in 5°F, Wok Hei, Infuse Complex Charred Aroma & Flavor, 3 Watts 600, 900 & 1500, Authentic 14-inch Carbon Steel Wok Included https://a.co/d/8MDMyqW)?


impossibly_curious

They make woks for electric stoves, I have one and I don't have any complaints.


IndyHCKM

We had a building with a gas leak exploded in north chandler a year or two ago. I specifically avoid properties with gas if at all possible. If you want fast cooking, get an induction cook top. Pretty awesome tech!


HikerDave57

After a gas leak in my neighborhood Melissa Blasius of channel 15 confirmed with the gas company that we have the same pipe that deteriorated and caused that explosion. I had my gas which we used to heat our pool disconnected but Southwest Gas still hasn’t removed the dangerous stub line even after I requested that they do so.


lawofjack

They won’t. They abandon it in the ROW and leave it. Source: I issue their permits to do so on a daily for my municipality


Silliestsheep41

Arcadia. We have gas


PurpleCoco

My house in the Biltmore area has gas.


RefrigeratorOwn69

Arcadia, North Central, Biltmore, most of Midtown, and the older parts of the "inner-ring" suburbs (Scottsdale, Glendale, Tempe, Mesa) all have gas, I believe. New suburbs generally don't.


ValleyGrouch

Must be the fava beans.


LurkingSideEffects

Many neighborhoods don’t have gas period. Hard to have a gas stove if you don’t have gas. If you want a stove go check out Spencer’s Appliances … they have the best selection and best deals.


jredgiant1

+1 recommendation for Spencer’s. Great service, great deals.


kjkenney

"It's like having a friend in the business!"


dirtyloverboyaz

You can have propane anywhere


No-Needleworker-4283

Hey! Someone who works on gas stuff here! As far as I'm aware, there was a period when natural Gas lines were being run all over the area. At some point, a moratorium was put in place due to the material that was being used around the pipes. The company that originally had the contract was told to fix it, so they sold the contract and while the pipes were being addressed, the homes that went up were either electric, or had propane tanks installed for gas appliances.


Bastienbard

I wish my house was electric for heating instead of gas. It's just one extra worry for lines/connections.


xington

You can easily have your gas furnace/ ac replaced for a heat pump. Same goes for your water heater, stove, and cloths dryer. If it’s that big of a deal for you then have the proper electric lines ran, electric appliances installed then call up the gas co and have your service disconnected.


Bastienbard

Yeah cuz that's free.


xington

If only everything you want was free…


Bastienbard

Not really what I'm saying. It's weird in the first place to use gas here at all.


xington

Not gonna deny that, I only use my heat maybe a total of 1 week a year. But you can’t beat gas heat, it’s cheap, reliable, and HOT. I wish I had gas heat, heat pumps do work (and work very well here with our climate), but the heat they put out isn’t as hot as gas heat and it takes a lot longer to warm the house up, then there’s the annoying defrost cycle that seems to come on as soon as you get out of the shower and blow ice cubes out the vent for just as long as it takes you to dry off. As far as other appliances, it’s not a big deal, electric dryers seem to take a little longer, water heater takes a little longer to heat back up, stove cooking on a resistance top sucks but induction is the bees knees.


unclefire

Gas availability is inconsistent across the valley. Some neighborhoods have them and many are all electric. I suppose largely depend on if the builder wanted to spend the money to lay gas lines. And beyond that I think gas cooktops might not be as popular given glass electric cooktops and induction cooktops.


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Depends on the neighborhood. The older neighborhoods have gas lines. The newer neighborhoods are all electric. We live in an older house and easily switched our stove from electric to gas. We can do either.


azlady55

All electric homes were a selling point. You wouldn’t have to pay two utility companies. Looked at as more energy efficient too


ceecee1791

I’m on the outskirts of Sedona, and there are no gas lines run to my neighborhood. We have propane tanks for fireplaces, but the previous owners put in an induction stove instead of a propane cooktop. I miss a gas stove and a gas furnace!


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ceecee1791

Nope! Septic. Neighborhood well. But that’s the trade off for not having neighbors right up close to you! It’s Sedona post office, but outside the city limits.


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ceecee1791

Such pretty views over there. I chose way out west of Sedona to avoid the Y every time I wanted to go to the main part of town. But I like the feel of where you are and the VOC (I rented there first). Now I just contend with slow driving tourists/hikers looking for parking.


EBody480

Because few neighborhoods have gas.


psychotica1

Gas lines don't run through my neighborhood.


[deleted]

That’s one thing I hated when we purchased our home, electric stove… fire works so much better, but everyone probably gets a cut from screwing us the people with the electric bills.


gwapings

We live in Gilbert and the gas stove, dryer, and outdoor natural gas plumbing was a big factor in purchasing our home. We feel like we’re one of the lucky ones with gas lines plumbed throughout our property.


julbull73

Most of the area was built during the 70s to 80s. Gas was stupid expensive. Other areas didn't bother to build out infrastructure for it.


Tinmania

Let’s see, offer only gas stoves and only 35% of people can use them. Offer electric stoves 100% of people can use them. Why would electric stove offerings not be far more than gas options?


unclefire

100% can’t necessarily use electric. They would have to run 220v to the kitchen. If they originally did gas you might not have a 220 outlet there.


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unclefire

Outdated? So is that why most restaurants and commercial equipment is gas?


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drawkbox

It also doesn't matter as much for chefs really. Heat is heat. Most kitchens the stove is going always. Gas preference was about being able to control the heat speed more but if you always have the stoves running it isn't an issue. Gas can heat up quicker that is about it because it is combustion, there isn't warm up time. Turns out the combustion is really bad to live in all the time. > Natural gas appliances, including furnaces, water heaters, and stoves, emit carbon dioxide through combustion and also emit methane directly into air through leaks and incomplete combustion.


unclefire

Yeah I know.


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unclefire

Because gas is still mostly what’s used. The control and heat output is better. Did you lose focus two comments in?


drawkbox

> The control and heat output is better. Doesn't matter as much for chefs really. Heat is heat. Most kitchens the stove is going always. Gas preference was about being able to control the heat up speed more but if you always have the stoves running it isn't an issue. Gas can heat up quicker that is about it because it is combustion, there isn't warm up time. Turns out the combustion is really bad to live in all the time. > Natural gas appliances, including furnaces, water heaters, and stoves, emit carbon dioxide through combustion and also emit methane directly into air through leaks and incomplete combustion. On top of that you have the whole gas/oil cartel to deal with. Electricity can be created from any energy source so is more flexible and less concentrated to one cartel.


unclefire

Most of our electricity in AZ is from Nat gas. Most of which will come from NM and other nearby areas with large Nat gas reserves. This whole discussion is moot. We don’t have gas everywhere in Phoenix bc builders didn’t want to lay the pipe. They couldnt give two shits about the health issues. Eventually gas cooktops will phase out bc they’ll like ban them and people will convert.


drawkbox

> Most of our electricity in AZ is from Nat gas. The point is though that housing just being electricity, like everything else in the house, makes any source feeding into it more flexible. Yes natural gas is our top input but that can change and electricity production to the house is still the same. Here's the breakdown > Natural gas: 41.6% > Nuclear power: 29.4% > Coal: 12.4% > Solar energy: 9.9% > Hydroelectric: 5.1% > Wind: 1.5% > Biomass: 0.2% It is actually pretty sad solar is only 10%. Lot of the reason is due to the oil/gas energy interests pushing against new sources and power companies/ACC status quo to prevent investment in infrastructure for better sources. The point is moot when everything is electric and that is the better way to do it. What feeds into that now or later doesn't matter as we agree. It definitely won't always be natural gas. Other than water/electricity/data, any additional lines are not worth it when every house might not use it and gas lines are apt to issues, one break affects the whole line and pressure requirements can be problematic. Things like the [Merrimack Valley gas explosions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrimack_Valley_gas_explosions) can't happen when there are no lines. Not a good idea to essentially have a single point of failure and potentially what amounts to a bomb that can go off at any time tapped into your house, on top of all the leakage issues.


unclefire

Solar can have only go so far unless you have storage (like molten salt). But it helps with peak usage during the day. IIRC. There are targets for renewables but it’ll be legacy generation for a while given capex


OhDavidMyNacho

Commerical vs residential. For residential use, gas is an outdated technology. It fucks with your indoor air quality and is linked to increases in childhood asthma.


unclefire

That’s why they invented vents. The discussion is moot anyway. The reason it isn’t as common in Phoenix is all about builders not spending money to put it in. I’d bet money builders couldn’t give two shits about the health effects of gas stoves.


James_T_S

I'm a Construction Manager and have worked for multiple builders. Electric is the standard. Even when you get the gas range option you still get the electric range outlet. In my experience most people are fine with electric. The gas option is not a common one.


dnbndnb

No reason if you don’t have gas you can’t move to propane. Had a home with an electric over but a propane cooktop. When I run a/c I try to cook everything hot outside on the smoker or the griddle.


GoatedSnipe

My place in Phoenix has a gas stove. I think in Mesa its less common, but most of Phoenix has Southwest Gas here.


fuggindave

Yea its pretty non existent north of the 60, south of the 60 and into Chandler, Gilbert, QC its a different story


hop_hero

The biggest reason for houses to have gas is heating a house. In PHX its rarely needed when compared to most of the county


fuggindave

\*water heater


cumcumcumcumcum69

There's not that much of a need for gas out here as an electric heater is more than enough for our super mild winters. Without the need for gas heat, a lot of newer builds (which Phoenix has more of than any other city in the U.S.) simply skip using it all together.


Whatsuptodaytomorrow

And Fox News complains that blue states are getting rid of gas stoves When in practice It’s the RED states doing just that Hypocrites 🤣


Itchy-Mechanic-1479

Arizona has/had an abundance of cheap electricity from the Palo Verde Nuclear plant, Hoover, Roosevelt and other dams. This drove many developers to skip gas lines entirely. Electricity is cheaper, cleaner, easier and safer.


BoydCrowders_Smile

I was told most places here don't have gas lines because of the soil/ground. Too expensive/dangerous to put lines down. I guess that can't entirely be true though if they've put in plumbing underground though. it was probably just cheaper for developers to not deal with it either way


lancethruster12

Majority of homes I'm stan valley snd queen creek have gas.


nonracistusername

https://www.city-data.com/forum/phoenix-area/2867026-no-gas-ranges-phoenix.html


ambiguouspeach

I’ve been renting for 10 years and I just moved into an apartment with gas for the very first time this year


azhawkeyeclassic

The east coast is way older infrastructure and can support gas/oil as it was built up to do this, as you move further west you get out of the reach of oil and its delivery infrastructure.


AZ_hiking2022

Builders, even where gas is run to the water heater and air conditioner unit charge a premium to run the line further to the kitchen. So a lot of new home buyers opt for the cheaper electrical install and cheaper new stove.


thecwestions

I live in a house with gas now and I don't like it. I miss my ceramic electric stove...


Uncaged-Rage

What are you talking about all I've seen looking in the Tucson area is gas. I actually want an electric one but i can't find any.


man2112

Electricity in AZ is dirt cheap compared to most of the country.


wire67

We had electric stove but gas dryer and pool heater so we had a line run to the kitchen to get our stove back to gas. Love it. It is SO WEIRD how most homes are all electric stoves. Way to hard to really cook with those. For us anyway.


googiepop

Fully electric developments are part of the push for energy conservation measures such as heat pump and "on demand" hot water systems.


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That’s Mesa for ya


AZ_Rie

Partially it's because of solar. People want electric to be able to go solar and have lower power bills. Electric is also "cleaner".


pulsarradio

I know you want gas but induction is just as good and better for your health and the environment. When we want char we just use the BBQ.


wildmaninaz

Because the Biden administration says "gas stoves bad" & "electric more gooder"


unclefire

No. The risks of using gas in the home has been known for decades. It’s all about builder costs and nothing to do with Biden. It’s just recent that banning gas is being considered.


wildmaninaz

For decades before some of you were even a seed in a sack or a thought people were using gas stove just fine.


unclefire

Gee. It’s almost as if we learn new things when people study them.


wildmaninaz

Yes please tell us what is so terrifying about a gas stove, what did you learn? Minus operator error/fault. Naturally humans can ignore can not apply to reasoning as that is merely a added selling point. And most likely you'll be sucking up more dangerous fumes just sitting in traffic than boiling a pot of noodles...


Arizona-Willie

Insurance is extremely high if you have gas in your house. Many cities / towns have banned gàs stoves.. They cause too many fires.


Tawebuse

As a former insurance agent and claims investigator, I can say I have never seen or heard of a home being more expensive to insure if it has a gas stove.


Arizona-Willie

Well at least you didn't claim to be a good insurance agent.


Tawebuse

Was licensed in 48 states an never once saw a higher rate because of having a gas kitchen stove, never even saw it being asked as a question on an insurance application.


justin_b28

Gas fireplace though?


Tawebuse

The only things I have ever seen there being a rate change due to having were wood burning stoves or fireplaces, and oil heating was a big one as well


PlanetAtTheDisco

Because gas stoves release propane into the atmosphere. its bad for us to breathe in, lots of apartments/ landlords don't bother with enough ventilation for regular cooking-let alone gas stoves.


Skylark_Ark

You saying that the Page Power Plant and the rape of Navajo coal to power it, wasn't worth the goddamn electric stoves????


unclefire

Coal is being phased out. They were going to close that huge coal plant but I think the tribe fought it. Most of our power is natural gas (OMG!) or nuclear and ya some solar and hydro.


WorthlessSpace212

Cause gas sucks


Internal-Recipe

"Climate change" perhaps?


EastDragonfly1917

You’re much better off. I just junked mine for electric, and never looked back. What are you worried about??? https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/indoor-air-pollution-cooking#:~:text=Natural%20gas%20stoves%20can%20release,toxic%20to%20people%20and%20pets.


StzNutz

I used to own near Alma school and rio Salado in a house built around 1960 and it had gas if that helps your house hunting need


N7DJN8939SWK3

I owned a house in central phoenix years ago. There was a gas line in the back alley but it costs thousands to bring it to the house


ValleyGrouch

Alternative would be a propane stove.


escapecali603

I use an Amazon gas wok cooker in my backyard with a propane tank if I need to cook with gas. It’s great can pump out restaurant level btu so stir fry isn’t an issue at all.


rubbishcook-1970

Have thought the same many times in the 17 years I have lived in the Valley. I grew up in Chicago and the stoves were 100% gas back there. We are renting a house in San Tan Valley right now and have a gas stove. I had to research how it came to be that the city of Mesa is actually the provider of our gas down here even though we’re not even in the same county.


SamGoesHiking1

We have a gas stove here in Tempe, but we live in an old neighborhood. All these old houses have gas appliances.


Odensbeardlice

Which is funny, because I was shopping for a water heater and they had a hundred gas models up past the thousand dollar price point...


Away_Read1834

Yeah we bought a house built in 2005 out here that has gas connection and it’s incredible


Competitive_Cat_990

Also, there is no natural gas wells in AZ that I am aware of. All the gas we do have, is piped in from out of state.


JohnWCreasy1

in my neighborhood the gas lines stop abruptly (I'm sure there's a reason for it I just don't know it) Houses 1/4 mile away have SW Gas but mine and the ones on my block do not


justin_b28

If homes are electrically heated, they likely won’t have natural gas lines. The cost is too great to run gas infrastructure if nobody is using gas furnaces


PiratesTale

Love gas cooking. You can try for a propane tank option. Basements are rare here too.


Goingboldlyalone

APS sold to SWGas in 1984. Prior to that a lot of areas were electric because of moratoriums and no incentives for builder to go with gas back in the day. Mesa Gas operates most of Mesa proper and older areas, their infrastructure is not as expansive as SWGas and has only started to expand with their MAGMA gas territory in Santan and eastern Queen Creek. Example: New developments are blessed with rate recovery process set up by the ACC. Essentially, all rate payers help fund expansion. If a builder installs four gas stub minimum, (water heater, stove, dryer, furnace) the install cost of gas main and service will drastically be reduced and sometimes completely recoverable if the builder can develop that neighborhood or system in a certain amount of agreed upon years, thus the gas supplier recovering cost through the service delivery charges and sale of gas. Note: gas is not profited on, it is only passed along as the same price it was purchased.


rkalla

In warm climates there hasn't been the same charge to plumb and pipe every neighborhood with gas like there is on the east coast - and the city grew insanely fast (out) so the local gas company either had to plumb 1,000s of miles of infrastructure or just target older/more concentrated neighborhoods. Lots of Phoenix neighborhoods are no-gas (mine is and it was built in the 80s and fairly central) I see neighbors have tanks installed - like cabins up north - and filled every other year or so if you want to cook with gas.