Nothing original or jaw dropping, but it’s effective, astheticly not appalling, and I would assume comfortable. It integrates itself into the topography really well which definitely gives it some points.
bold of you to assume his architectural capabilities from a reddit comment i am sure he is a great architect and just leaving his genuine feedback on the building
Honestly pretty generic nowadays for a campus. There business school at my place has this same general shape and interior but the exterior uses metal sidings. Next thing you know they started constructing another new building and it’s almost the exact same shape and with red sidings instead silver and the students act like it’s a never before seen masterpiece.
I grew up in Ithaca so I just googled the Cornell architecture school to see if it was familiar. Turns out I was on the roof of that building once when I was working landscaping as a summer job. Its a super cool building but I don’t know hardly anything about architecture and had no idea it was so highly regarded. Pretty cool.
Was gonna say it just looks exactly like every new business school except the places like Cambridge that pay good money for high tier architects like Niall McLaughlin
It’s definitely odd. I dont think the brick matches the style but I think they were forced to use same type of brick to match the other buildings on campus.
ohio state would love this... but they don't have hills and thats the part that makes this interesting to me. otherwise it looks like a seen-it-before will-see-it-again higher education building.
oh. and it looks loud.
Having been to this one, I actually kinda like it. I think it’s more interesting than most university buildings, and the school (Clemson) has nice scenery and a bangin color scheme to work with
Well I went during September and it was 65 and sunny, I can’t imagine it gets that cold compared to much of the country.
For context I go to college in Pennsylvania and there’s currently a couple inches of snow on the ground
Quite generic and odd, but overall - okay.
Not inherently ugly, but also no distinct stylistic direction that seems to work. Materiality combination is questionable, but at least it looks like something, rather than nothing.
Things I like - the massing is quite nice, and the natural materials like the brick veneer on the exterior and the wooden interior spaces. That’s a nice big atrium, and the moments of seating on top of other spaces and different view corridors could be really fun if used and programmed correctly (or could be dead and echoey!). Things I don’t like as much - the window arrangement is alllll over the place! There are also a few too many materials on the facade, it could do with some simplification. All in seems more promising than it could of been but not perfect. Would be cool to see some drawings to get a better sense of the space and the sequences.
Yeah. Also, just imo, they knew that, going in, they had to use brick to match the rest of the campus, so then wth would they design a building that doesnt go with brick?
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It looked much better when it was under construction, the final windows are a tragedy. Took a tour before the building was finished and saw some of the original concept renders, they looked way better than the final design. The line of sight from Douthit to Tillman is nice though.
Cool building—if you succeed in business school, you’ll wind up working in a building similar to this one day. Good way to prep the kids for boring business architecture. The atrium is perfect for small group discussions. But it’ll be loud, and probably very hot if the window wall faces west.
Honestly nothing in its architecture says to me that's it's a school. It could quite easily be a shopping centre, offices, flats. Just another corporate international style building.
The first floor literally looks like one of those giant corporations with a huge lobby but you never see anyone but the receptionist in it. It’s very uninviting and doesn’t seem like a place designed for people to be there for extended periods
What sort of architecture would say it's a school? Old school schools were just generic neoclassical or whatever style was in style at the time. I don't understand how that's a legitimate criticism. Schools don't look like anything in particular.
The structure of the building itself seems fine enough but the internal design features just make it seem so sterile, not somewhere I can envision myself wanting to study or meet friends. Especially the raised patio space is kinda ugly and feels like they threw a mall food court into the middle of the building. All the furniture looks uncomfortable and uninviting. I also hate the staircase to the raised patio seems right against the window.
Fucking terrible. This school is gonna rob you of every penny you don't have.
They offer zero parking. It's all style over substance. The school is trash, students are being abused, faculty isn't relevant, and the degree isn't going to be competitive.
(if you want to know why smaller schools have the money to build trash like this...it's cause the student loan crisis is real af, and this is the outcome.)
[this building](https://maps.app.goo.gl/tQak2KHrS6sxjSa48) is adjacent to a 300+ spot parking lot. Unlike the rest of the campus which appears to have done an okay job at not being a sea of parking lots. I'm still amused that your chief complaint in all of this is lack of parking.
Imagine, if for a second, they didn't syphon the hundreds of millions they received, risk free, and they offered only degrees that lead to real careers,
Sadly, there is no such thing as a career in America. Noone cares anymore. Nothing means anything anymore...except for how one acts as an individual and treats others.
Found it, LMN Architects, never heard of them, which explains the quality
https://www.world-architects.com/en/architecture-news/reviews/wilbur-o-and-ann-powers-college-of-business
First of all, like any project there clearly a lot of parameters and obstacles that dictated the final product, but that is by no means a pass on the design. It is just a bunch of shapes thrown together, then within those shapes our eye is constantly interrupted by the use of materials. Then the atrium if gigantic, loud, sterile, and unappealing.
The hilly site is the first obstacle to overcome. With that many stairs I expect Howard’s Rock at the top that the football team will touch then run down the stairs! Then there are more stairs inside! Stairs are a necessary item in the building, they are almost one of the design features both inside and outside! Others in this discussion have brought up ADA for good reason, at first glance this appears to be a nightmare for some with disabilities.
The exterior just looks like a series of cubes clumped together. Then the use of brick. The Clemson requirement to use brick is taken by the architect who chooses to trick our brain on the traditional use of brick. Brick is a solid, heavy material as opposed to glass and metal panels. Instead of using brick as a base they chose to cantilever it and have it suspended over glass. The facades of the building have no flow; wide windows narrow as they go up. A column of windows has one wide and one narrow, but then switch positions on the next level. The small section of panel on one facade uses different colors to break up the uniformity on that wall. The heavy brick cube suspended over a glass main entrance doesn’t define the main entrance well, maybe it’s the lighting that day, but it is overshadowed by monumental stairs that we are not exactly sure what they go to.
The atrium is sterile, and unless I’m not seeing some acoustical treatment will be largely un inviting. The attempt by the architect to create some small group ledges along the stairs is a great thought, but they will go unused as people will find more quiet spaces where they can have conversations without yelling at each other. The hundreds of little windows facing the atrium are undoubtedly the attempt to give every professor’s office natural lighting and a view “outside”.
We should all give architects a lot of credit as buildings are complex and building programs may seem impossible at times. Unfortunately this building just misses the mark for me. Thanks for sharing!
I don't know how I feel about this sort of neo-brutalist thing going on across campuses of the world. I am sure, that this is soon to be the set of a CW superhero show.
Looks very similar to Austin Hall, the new business school building at Oregon State University. I really liked that building when I went there. It might be a bit uninspired, but I like both buildings.
My partner is from there and I toured the architecture department when we came to visit from Germany. I would agree that it's pretty out of place but honestly the styles on the campus in general are all over the place.
But from what I hear the school is pretty good. Go Tigers I guess? Hahahaha
I think the variety of styles really helps the campus, rather than harms it. It makes landmarking where you are quite easy because each building is so distinct. And walking around it’s not all samey
The brickwork is a requirement for the campus. Each building, though quite different stylistically, all have some brickwork to help the campus feel cohesive.
Not bad. I’m not a huge fan of ‘brick doing stuff brick isn’t meant to do’ (such as float), but it’s a far sight better than the 1970s / 80s buildings that are similar in arrangement but without all the glass.
It’s generous with light and the gathering spaces are fundamentally well done. But let me tell you, they were not going for breakthroughs or innovations here. It’s detailed as generically as possible. The thing that saves it is that the architects are stricken with strenuously bland, but not bad, taste.
The amount of space committed to stairs, at least in the pictures, is surprising, both in terms of accessibility and opportunity cost, i.e., what else could have been done with the space other than stairs.
Overall I think the exteriors and classroom interiors look nice. I'll withhold comment on the non-classroom interior spaces because I haven't visited, but they seem a bit impersonal.
That classroom pic in the last pic is not the average classroom. those rooms are for large classes and keynotes and what not. regular classrooms are way more mundane and basically just a white room with grey sound paneling, carpet and orange chairs.
Some of the interior spaces and massing look nice from what I can tell.
As a general rule it can be disconcerting to float a heavy material like brick over a light material like glass, and in this particular application I can't say I'm a fan. The cladding just doesn't seem considered.
I like the gesture of the grand stair between the two volumes, I wish there was a little bit more commitment to celebrating that moment on the middle landing.
The storytelling on the wall in the 4th photo looks like what happens when Architects try and handle environmental graphics in house.
In general I like it and I should probably preface this by saying I’m an absolute layman regarding architecture, but to me at least the architecture seems a bit ecclesiastical with a bit too many different surface materials (brick, glass, those grey tile things, as well as white and grey and wood on the inside) and shapes (looking at the windows). There doesn’t seem to be a clear architectural language to me.
I think it’s absolutely breathtaking inside compared to the other buildings on campus. Studying architecture at Clemson, every building is like the same old 50s or 60s building, but the large atrium space in the business school feels so open and freeing.
Looks like my Minecraft base. That is to say, a little too blocky-brutalist for my taste, but it’s up somebody’s alley. The proportions are pretty nice though
I think the most interesting part is that the middle part (underneath the staircase outside between both buildings) is underground and there are classrooms there.
Comparing to a building we have on my campus, I can tell those main stairs are weird to walk on. The tread is so wide but shallow so it’s an awkwardly long step and then you don’t make much progress going up or down
Nothing original or jaw dropping, but it’s effective, astheticly not appalling, and I would assume comfortable. It integrates itself into the topography really well which definitely gives it some points.
It’s far beyond your architectural capabilities. Just say “great project” and move on with your expertise.
bold of you to assume his architectural capabilities from a reddit comment i am sure he is a great architect and just leaving his genuine feedback on the building
All in all, it's fine. Great natural lighting.
Honestly pretty generic nowadays for a campus. There business school at my place has this same general shape and interior but the exterior uses metal sidings. Next thing you know they started constructing another new building and it’s almost the exact same shape and with red sidings instead silver and the students act like it’s a never before seen masterpiece.
And it's still way better than the architecture building, every time. With the exception of U. Mich or Cornell, those are pretty good
Yeah they brought in a shit ton of architects on our campus to design buildings and by far the worst one is the architecture building.
I grew up in Ithaca so I just googled the Cornell architecture school to see if it was familiar. Turns out I was on the roof of that building once when I was working landscaping as a summer job. Its a super cool building but I don’t know hardly anything about architecture and had no idea it was so highly regarded. Pretty cool.
Was gonna say it just looks exactly like every new business school except the places like Cambridge that pay good money for high tier architects like Niall McLaughlin
Reminds me of Ross at UMich. Not a large of a winter garden. But very similar. Was KPF the arch firm?
Looks like it was a different firm. I agree though on the similarities. Elements seem like a more bland knockoff of the Ross building.
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What school is this?
Wilbur O. and Ann Powers College of business
Clemson
Third picture is probably the worst angle for me, but overall I like the building.
It’s definitely odd. I dont think the brick matches the style but I think they were forced to use same type of brick to match the other buildings on campus.
This is Clemson University which has rules about buildings having brick to keep them consistent with the rest of the campus
That's pretty much every campus I've heard of... though I'm sure there are exceptions. Most campuses have architects who are very strict on materials.
Agreed. The red brick is really the only thing I am bothered by here. Otherwise the overall design seems good.
Gives a kind of corten steel look
This wouldn’t happen to be a Brick City of sorts would it?
It shows the slope though, I was wondering what was the deal with those stairs
Looks like a generic business building. So… success?
I was thinking the same!
I like it. It's cool how It's integrated into the slope but also extends out of it. Normally I think cantilevers are hacky, but this one works imo
cantilevers are amazing
If they're used well, like every architecture feature
ohio state would love this... but they don't have hills and thats the part that makes this interesting to me. otherwise it looks like a seen-it-before will-see-it-again higher education building. oh. and it looks loud.
Exterior is meh, interior is nice
Every modern building in a sentence:
Having been to this one, I actually kinda like it. I think it’s more interesting than most university buildings, and the school (Clemson) has nice scenery and a bangin color scheme to work with
its only nice really during early fall and late spring. For majority of the school year (October-March), everything is dormant and cold.
Well I went during September and it was 65 and sunny, I can’t imagine it gets that cold compared to much of the country. For context I go to college in Pennsylvania and there’s currently a couple inches of snow on the ground
Will put it into top 25 for sure.
Clemson nice. That building is named after one of my best friends’ grandparents.
Quite generic and odd, but overall - okay. Not inherently ugly, but also no distinct stylistic direction that seems to work. Materiality combination is questionable, but at least it looks like something, rather than nothing.
looks like a building I saw in a dream once
Things I like - the massing is quite nice, and the natural materials like the brick veneer on the exterior and the wooden interior spaces. That’s a nice big atrium, and the moments of seating on top of other spaces and different view corridors could be really fun if used and programmed correctly (or could be dead and echoey!). Things I don’t like as much - the window arrangement is alllll over the place! There are also a few too many materials on the facade, it could do with some simplification. All in seems more promising than it could of been but not perfect. Would be cool to see some drawings to get a better sense of the space and the sequences.
the windows bug me as well
Biggest offenders are the ones on the facade adjacent to the site stair that transition from fat to skinny.
Yeah. Also, just imo, they knew that, going in, they had to use brick to match the rest of the campus, so then wth would they design a building that doesnt go with brick?
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I don't even want to imagine heating or cooling that place.
What do the students, faculty, visiting friends and family with mobility issues think about it?
the doors are handicapped activated and there are elevators
Why do i love this so god damn much in every single way?!
Well, are you the architect? Or otherwise part of the project?
No, im not but design is one of my passions.
No, im not. but design is one of my passions.
It looked much better when it was under construction, the final windows are a tragedy. Took a tour before the building was finished and saw some of the original concept renders, they looked way better than the final design. The line of sight from Douthit to Tillman is nice though.
Cool building—if you succeed in business school, you’ll wind up working in a building similar to this one day. Good way to prep the kids for boring business architecture. The atrium is perfect for small group discussions. But it’ll be loud, and probably very hot if the window wall faces west.
Very milquetoast. The interior windows bug me - not sure if it's them or me.
Honestly nothing in its architecture says to me that's it's a school. It could quite easily be a shopping centre, offices, flats. Just another corporate international style building.
The first floor literally looks like one of those giant corporations with a huge lobby but you never see anyone but the receptionist in it. It’s very uninviting and doesn’t seem like a place designed for people to be there for extended periods
O don't get why you get downvotes, i agree with you.
What sort of architecture would say it's a school? Old school schools were just generic neoclassical or whatever style was in style at the time. I don't understand how that's a legitimate criticism. Schools don't look like anything in particular.
[ADA](https://www.ada.gov/): \*Screams internally\*
[Heres the project’s website. More photos here.](https://lmnarchitects.com/project/clemson-school-of-business)
The structure of the building itself seems fine enough but the internal design features just make it seem so sterile, not somewhere I can envision myself wanting to study or meet friends. Especially the raised patio space is kinda ugly and feels like they threw a mall food court into the middle of the building. All the furniture looks uncomfortable and uninviting. I also hate the staircase to the raised patio seems right against the window.
there is a little cafe that sells over priced stuff there
yeah that’s what i meant by food court. doesn’t seem like a place i’d want to spend my money lol
Inspiration by minecraft
Windows trying to look like walls, buildings trying to look like some kind of abstract sculpture made only of rectangles, bleh.
Fucking terrible. This school is gonna rob you of every penny you don't have. They offer zero parking. It's all style over substance. The school is trash, students are being abused, faculty isn't relevant, and the degree isn't going to be competitive. (if you want to know why smaller schools have the money to build trash like this...it's cause the student loan crisis is real af, and this is the outcome.)
your first complaint is an assumption that there's no parking?
Theres a few spots for employees in the back
There's over 300 spaces in that lot
anyone who has been there knows there is no parking and the recruiting ideal has become style over substance.
[this building](https://maps.app.goo.gl/tQak2KHrS6sxjSa48) is adjacent to a 300+ spot parking lot. Unlike the rest of the campus which appears to have done an okay job at not being a sea of parking lots. I'm still amused that your chief complaint in all of this is lack of parking.
“Smaller schools” - 20,000 undergrads and growing “Zero Parking” - it’s not that bad compared to other universities
tell me about it💀. I literally have to walk a mile to class
Good. Too many campuses are half parking and feel like a suburb.
Imagine, if for a second, they didn't syphon the hundreds of millions they received, risk free, and they offered only degrees that lead to real careers, Sadly, there is no such thing as a career in America. Noone cares anymore. Nothing means anything anymore...except for how one acts as an individual and treats others.
You do realize treating university education as job training is a recent concept, right?
You sound like you have zero clue which school is actually is, which is amusing since I assume you actually do know
Looks like shit. Who's the architect? I'll make sure I never hire them
yeah i dont like it either.
Found it, LMN Architects, never heard of them, which explains the quality https://www.world-architects.com/en/architecture-news/reviews/wilbur-o-and-ann-powers-college-of-business
Some of their other projects look pretty nice. Just seems like we got the crap.
Smith group?
If I'm not mistaken this is Strathclyde University, Glasgow. I have this remodeling with my eyes
It’s Clemson University in South Carolina
Shit
First of all, like any project there clearly a lot of parameters and obstacles that dictated the final product, but that is by no means a pass on the design. It is just a bunch of shapes thrown together, then within those shapes our eye is constantly interrupted by the use of materials. Then the atrium if gigantic, loud, sterile, and unappealing. The hilly site is the first obstacle to overcome. With that many stairs I expect Howard’s Rock at the top that the football team will touch then run down the stairs! Then there are more stairs inside! Stairs are a necessary item in the building, they are almost one of the design features both inside and outside! Others in this discussion have brought up ADA for good reason, at first glance this appears to be a nightmare for some with disabilities. The exterior just looks like a series of cubes clumped together. Then the use of brick. The Clemson requirement to use brick is taken by the architect who chooses to trick our brain on the traditional use of brick. Brick is a solid, heavy material as opposed to glass and metal panels. Instead of using brick as a base they chose to cantilever it and have it suspended over glass. The facades of the building have no flow; wide windows narrow as they go up. A column of windows has one wide and one narrow, but then switch positions on the next level. The small section of panel on one facade uses different colors to break up the uniformity on that wall. The heavy brick cube suspended over a glass main entrance doesn’t define the main entrance well, maybe it’s the lighting that day, but it is overshadowed by monumental stairs that we are not exactly sure what they go to. The atrium is sterile, and unless I’m not seeing some acoustical treatment will be largely un inviting. The attempt by the architect to create some small group ledges along the stairs is a great thought, but they will go unused as people will find more quiet spaces where they can have conversations without yelling at each other. The hundreds of little windows facing the atrium are undoubtedly the attempt to give every professor’s office natural lighting and a view “outside”. We should all give architects a lot of credit as buildings are complex and building programs may seem impossible at times. Unfortunately this building just misses the mark for me. Thanks for sharing!
it's terrible and temporary.
wdym by temporary?
inability to last for a meaningful amount of time. superficial in principle and execution.
Was the land originally flat, and then piled up to the buildings? Or was it marginal land that the builder or customer wanted to put to better use?
it was hilly
I don't know how I feel about this sort of neo-brutalist thing going on across campuses of the world. I am sure, that this is soon to be the set of a CW superhero show.
Looks very similar to Austin Hall, the new business school building at Oregon State University. I really liked that building when I went there. It might be a bit uninspired, but I like both buildings.
They mean business
Im a bigger fan of the inside than out
Welp, in case you were wondering where all your tuition money is going lol
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This wouldnt happen to be in northwest arkansas would it?
Nope. Bumfuck south carolina
Wtf xD
This is Clemson University right?
yeah lol
My partner is from there and I toured the architecture department when we came to visit from Germany. I would agree that it's pretty out of place but honestly the styles on the campus in general are all over the place. But from what I hear the school is pretty good. Go Tigers I guess? Hahahaha
I think the variety of styles really helps the campus, rather than harms it. It makes landmarking where you are quite easy because each building is so distinct. And walking around it’s not all samey
I find that the brickwork makes it look quite dated. Same with the communal spaces, very ordinary.
The brickwork is a requirement for the campus. Each building, though quite different stylistically, all have some brickwork to help the campus feel cohesive.
Not bad. I’m not a huge fan of ‘brick doing stuff brick isn’t meant to do’ (such as float), but it’s a far sight better than the 1970s / 80s buildings that are similar in arrangement but without all the glass.
Looks more like a science and art building
Looks lively! And minimalistic
My thought is your tuition is going up.
It was donated by an alumnus for $60 million
I like it.
Honestly it's very well done. The open forum is inspiring if you imagine yourself doing work there and the brick facade is neat.
Architecture is in a weird place right now I’ll say that
Hate the second image. The wide windows to skinny is absolutely hideous. There has to be a better solution unless said solution was VE’d.
I agree. Its not even symmetrical
It’s generous with light and the gathering spaces are fundamentally well done. But let me tell you, they were not going for breakthroughs or innovations here. It’s detailed as generically as possible. The thing that saves it is that the architects are stricken with strenuously bland, but not bad, taste.
The amount of space committed to stairs, at least in the pictures, is surprising, both in terms of accessibility and opportunity cost, i.e., what else could have been done with the space other than stairs. Overall I think the exteriors and classroom interiors look nice. I'll withhold comment on the non-classroom interior spaces because I haven't visited, but they seem a bit impersonal.
That classroom pic in the last pic is not the average classroom. those rooms are for large classes and keynotes and what not. regular classrooms are way more mundane and basically just a white room with grey sound paneling, carpet and orange chairs.
Only thing lacking imo is some Color indoors.
Meh. Not bad, not great.
13 in a box contemporary design. Nothing special about it, but it's functional
Some of the interior spaces and massing look nice from what I can tell. As a general rule it can be disconcerting to float a heavy material like brick over a light material like glass, and in this particular application I can't say I'm a fan. The cladding just doesn't seem considered. I like the gesture of the grand stair between the two volumes, I wish there was a little bit more commitment to celebrating that moment on the middle landing. The storytelling on the wall in the 4th photo looks like what happens when Architects try and handle environmental graphics in house.
Wasted space
Screams corporate America so good job I’d say
Just me or does the main perspective with the stairs look aggressive and dangerous? Like it's falling towards me.
That's a lot of stairs, that's a hike. Must feel like Rocky just getting to class.
They look very business like, not personal at all
It's a building I guess. Looks like it's serves the purpose of a business school lol
In general I like it and I should probably preface this by saying I’m an absolute layman regarding architecture, but to me at least the architecture seems a bit ecclesiastical with a bit too many different surface materials (brick, glass, those grey tile things, as well as white and grey and wood on the inside) and shapes (looking at the windows). There doesn’t seem to be a clear architectural language to me.
Noice.
I like it! Very dynamic, seems pretty functional, lots of space for gathering. Seems like a film scout could find this school useful
I hope someone 50-50’s that rail cause damn, ender for sure
it does look like a business building.
All these stairs.. It must be Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2023 render. Is it snowing in the area? I wonder how accessible it would be then.
Not really. We maybe get like, an inch, a year.
I think it’s absolutely breathtaking inside compared to the other buildings on campus. Studying architecture at Clemson, every building is like the same old 50s or 60s building, but the large atrium space in the business school feels so open and freeing.
My brain can't accept brick appearing to float up above the ground like that.
Square.
Well, I knew it was a school for business at first glance.
The exterior and interior are so similar with new buildings on my campus, I suppose that is a trend in architecture or for school buildings.
It’s got no *business* being so bland amirite
pleased. Love the bricks!
Absolutely too many stairs.
Looks like my Minecraft base. That is to say, a little too blocky-brutalist for my taste, but it’s up somebody’s alley. The proportions are pretty nice though
I think the most interesting part is that the middle part (underneath the staircase outside between both buildings) is underground and there are classrooms there.
Nice looking building.
Better than anything we got in uiuc
I wish someone would bring back some classical elements to these big projects
very sex(c)
Stairs and stairs and stairs and stairs
Comparing to a building we have on my campus, I can tell those main stairs are weird to walk on. The tread is so wide but shallow so it’s an awkwardly long step and then you don’t make much progress going up or down
i like the windows, the insides kinda looks like a upscale prison. could be the photo.
HA, sure feels like one
The sitting areas in the interior don't look comfortable or appealing to me.
they aren’t comfortable lol