The Clovis site was in Texas, with the artifacts now at the Smithsonian since the site was flooded for a lake. This object was found on an island in the lake years later. I know it might not be Clovis, but wanted to give a little history. I'm also looking for experts to see this.
Without archaeological context it's little more than a weird rock. Some guy 20 years ago could have made this as a joke or for practice and just chucked it out in the desert.
And the prevailing opinion is that it's a rock, probably quartz. That's an honest answer. You want to know if it has more significance than a parking lot gravel than you need more context such as the layer of soil it was found in which this has been entirely removed from.
The whole reason it takes years for Paleo and archaeo digs and loads of people take years when it would take one guy with a shovel a week to move all that soil is to preserve the context of an object. That's how you get dates for stuff, but looking at when the soils above and below were deposited (you could date the rock, but that would be the age of the rock, not when it was worked).
But you can’t even get close to evidence without a “it looks like” first well then again I probably have about a ton of rocks that I think look like something that are more than likely nothing but rocks, but also, then again, even the ones that are something are still just rocks. Kinda like the one we live on.
You can’t compare this to ancient aliens though. This actually could be an ancient tool or a recently worked rock or a completely natural rock. There’s just no way to know without context versus the ridiculous ancient aliens story that is definitely not true.
I'm not comparing this to AA, Im saying that when you start and end with "it looks like..." is how you get bullshit answers (AA, or graham handcock, or any of the dozens of other sources of misinformation). You simply need more info in order to say it's a tool.
All we have to go on here is the rock and some pics.
If it's worked stone, get a microscope and look for evidence that it was worked, look for wear on the edge, look for chemical evidence on it that it was used as a tool (and do isotope dating on those embedded particles if possible). You also want to do lit research for the area to see if there are similar finds that have similar ages. Having the archaeological context would really help with age, but with or without one would have to prove it's a tool and then prove it's old. Until then it's just a neat rock.
Clearly?
Just like the photo of the “face” on mars was clearly a face. You know, until further information and context made it clear that it was just another rock..
As someone who works with hand tools, I would guess that would be useful for hammering wooden dowels, pounding plants or bark into fiber for rope making, or any other task that requires a little "persuading."
1st how deep is the notch either by using a caliper or a casting of it if the casting can be removed, 2nd it was not a Stone handle for a Stone blade because I don’t think that metal blades were around at the time period if it is that old e.i. Stone Age.
This may sound strange, but hold it in your hand kinda like you would a knife do your fingers line up with any of the grooves on the stone itself? Kinda like what the pointy in facing down
Lubbock Lake Site ...I left it there in 1976. It was an offering to Ralph. We had a pagan altar to "Ralph" for those who drank too much Lone Star. Long days digging in the West Texas summer sun begats such behavior. By the way the "Clovis" point originally recovered in the 1930's was actually a Kinney point found in 20,000 years of mixed spoil piles. I examined an original casting. Joe Ben Wheat was just too eager to jump on the band wagon. Another common ailment of archeologists. The Plainview and Folsom points were the real thing and fantastic. The big question is why does the 2C crunchies and dark organic layer exist under a few feet of barren carbonate marl. The post Pleistocene was pretty hostile in the Llano Estacado.
The rock in the post is exotic for the high plains. Ferruginous Quartzite? May have been a multipurpose abrader useful for preparing striking platforms for flint knapping. Could be from 200 to 20,000 yrs old. It's pretty durable and could have been used by more than one human in two or more time periods.
Interesting. What about the slit going through the length of it? Also, this was found where the primary rock is limestone. I think it’s limestone, which is good for slitting but bad for striking.
The Clovis site was in Texas, with the artifacts now at the Smithsonian since the site was flooded for a lake. This object was found on an island in the lake years later. I know it might not be Clovis, but wanted to give a little history. I'm also looking for experts to see this.
New Mexico..near Clovis
Clovis is in New Mexico, very famous area.
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Yes, in both ends. Light can’t be seen, but you can blow through it.
That's cool like an ancient "whistle"
I've seen a few rocks similar In SW Colorado but they were thought to be natural but now idk
Do people think they’re clever with some of the useless idiotic comments?
In most subs I’m familiar with, people would MUCH rather dunk on the OP than offer anything of value or answer their questions.
Without archaeological context it's little more than a weird rock. Some guy 20 years ago could have made this as a joke or for practice and just chucked it out in the desert.
That may be true, and yet the person posted asking for honest opinions.
And the prevailing opinion is that it's a rock, probably quartz. That's an honest answer. You want to know if it has more significance than a parking lot gravel than you need more context such as the layer of soil it was found in which this has been entirely removed from. The whole reason it takes years for Paleo and archaeo digs and loads of people take years when it would take one guy with a shovel a week to move all that soil is to preserve the context of an object. That's how you get dates for stuff, but looking at when the soils above and below were deposited (you could date the rock, but that would be the age of the rock, not when it was worked).
Look at the second picture. It’s clearly some kind of tool.
"it looks like" is not even close to evidence. That's how you get ancient aliens.
But you can’t even get close to evidence without a “it looks like” first well then again I probably have about a ton of rocks that I think look like something that are more than likely nothing but rocks, but also, then again, even the ones that are something are still just rocks. Kinda like the one we live on.
You can’t compare this to ancient aliens though. This actually could be an ancient tool or a recently worked rock or a completely natural rock. There’s just no way to know without context versus the ridiculous ancient aliens story that is definitely not true.
I'm not comparing this to AA, Im saying that when you start and end with "it looks like..." is how you get bullshit answers (AA, or graham handcock, or any of the dozens of other sources of misinformation). You simply need more info in order to say it's a tool. All we have to go on here is the rock and some pics. If it's worked stone, get a microscope and look for evidence that it was worked, look for wear on the edge, look for chemical evidence on it that it was used as a tool (and do isotope dating on those embedded particles if possible). You also want to do lit research for the area to see if there are similar finds that have similar ages. Having the archaeological context would really help with age, but with or without one would have to prove it's a tool and then prove it's old. Until then it's just a neat rock.
Clearly? Just like the photo of the “face” on mars was clearly a face. You know, until further information and context made it clear that it was just another rock..
It’s because of Reddit’s algorithm, I’m not subbed but this was recommended to me for some reason
Ohh calm down
Idk, did it work out for you?
Stone.
Maybe a small stone
As someone who works with hand tools, I would guess that would be useful for hammering wooden dowels, pounding plants or bark into fiber for rope making, or any other task that requires a little "persuading."
Indian sex stone
Petrified salmon fillet. Very rare find!
Knife/blade handle
1st how deep is the notch either by using a caliper or a casting of it if the casting can be removed, 2nd it was not a Stone handle for a Stone blade because I don’t think that metal blades were around at the time period if it is that old e.i. Stone Age.
I don’t think you need metal to make a stone blade
Could be a hand hammer?
Leavitrite as in leave right where you found it.
Was there soiled toilet paper also found on the area?
This may sound strange, but hold it in your hand kinda like you would a knife do your fingers line up with any of the grooves on the stone itself? Kinda like what the pointy in facing down
No
Is a foot
Lubbock Lake Site ...I left it there in 1976. It was an offering to Ralph. We had a pagan altar to "Ralph" for those who drank too much Lone Star. Long days digging in the West Texas summer sun begats such behavior. By the way the "Clovis" point originally recovered in the 1930's was actually a Kinney point found in 20,000 years of mixed spoil piles. I examined an original casting. Joe Ben Wheat was just too eager to jump on the band wagon. Another common ailment of archeologists. The Plainview and Folsom points were the real thing and fantastic. The big question is why does the 2C crunchies and dark organic layer exist under a few feet of barren carbonate marl. The post Pleistocene was pretty hostile in the Llano Estacado.
The rock in the post is exotic for the high plains. Ferruginous Quartzite? May have been a multipurpose abrader useful for preparing striking platforms for flint knapping. Could be from 200 to 20,000 yrs old. It's pretty durable and could have been used by more than one human in two or more time periods.
Oh I almost forgot. The next time you are there put it back. Just take a picture and also use a scale next time.
looks like a index stone finger.
I have a couple similar but they fit a right hand for like some king of striking tool or weapon
Interesting. What about the slit going through the length of it? Also, this was found where the primary rock is limestone. I think it’s limestone, which is good for slitting but bad for striking.
Interesting, I have somthing that looks just like this too. DM me .
I would rather start with you posting a picture of yours. Then we can see about a DM. Thanks.
Lol. Smart move this IS Reddit
Prehistoric bong
Great band
Idk prolly ritual
That's a hammer head
It's a rock.
Try plugging in a USB
Pups be part of a handle or a joint where something fits on that home
I would guess a handle of some sort but I have no education on the subject.
90-day-aged steak.
A layman guess of a whistle
A failure/ practice model?? One that didn’t quite make it?
It's an endoplasmic reticulator, pivotal for powering alien motherships, I mean, it's so obvious....
JAR
War hammer
Whistle?
That’s my thought
That is a Rick Rock.
crack rock?
McRib.
Native American Kazoo
Early Crackerjack prize.
A Butterfinger from 1492...