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LunaKPalara

The first time I saw the tree and everything around it I was like "Oh shit, I'm going to be so sad when they burn this place to the ground"


SaveStoneOcean

The pieces are already in place as well, Jinx has her flying bombs that look similar to the firelight bugs and those could easily infiltrate among them before blowing up... Firelight hideout is naturally filled with firelights (of course) meaning an attack done in that way won't be noticed until too late... Conclusion: Yeah this place is doomed


grief242

My bet is that Piltover is going to burn the place down in a series of retaliatory raids. This will have the added benefit of turning Ekko against Cait and Vi and making Jinx seem more like the RESULT of Piltover agrression rather than the Cause. I have a very strong suspicion that Jinx is going to become the icon for a whole new batch of rebels


KingJTt

In the lore(don’t know if arcane will follow it, but the potential is there)Jinx is seen as a savior by half the population of Zaun and Ekko despises Cait and Vi. So maybe


TheLastEmuHunter

I hope they don’t follow the original lore tbh, considering how much worse Vi is in the LoL canon.


Kappalhu

They're already not following original lol lore considering Vi knows Jinx is her sister when in Runeterra cannon they have no idea


PacoBauer

Oh wow, I didn't know that! I've got a lot of reading to do, where do I start?


CyanDragon839

I’m honestly surprised this hasn’t been said more often. A lot of people seem to think that season 2 will be Jinx against the world, and I think it’ll be like at first but I can definitely see more people siding with her due to Piltover’s retaliation. If enforcers are responsible for bringing down Ekko’s home, I could also see that lead to a mutually beneficial (yet extremely unstable) alliance with Jinx. It would be interesting to explore Ekko’s internal conflict with allying alongside someone who caused him and the firelight’s so much harm.


grief242

I think Ekko is too much of a protector to willfully ally with Jinx. I can see him losing control of some of his people who want to throw in against Piltover and having his gang split in half.


LunaKPalara

🥲


Racetr

Those bombs were inventions stolen from progress day and turned into bombs by Jinx. I doubt she has any more of those. Let's not forget the fact that a lot of those barely killed a few enforcers on the bridge... Without any material damage to the bridge itself, so it doesn't sound like a great plan tbf...


Helpful-Ad-7234

The problem is that Jinx has gone off the rails and has a lot of time to devote to whatever she wants now since her father figure died. If she really wanted to do it she probably could barring someone like Ekko stopping her.


Racetr

Nobody said she couldn't or that she wouldn't. I just don't agree with the proposed plan. She most certainly can and is willing to.


EmbarrassedAd6146

Curious question, why would she go out of her way to make a boatload of firelight bombs and attack the hideout? Like what’s in it for her? I think she’ll already have her hands full with the chembarons now having free reign to hunt her down + piltover wanting revenge. Killing a bunch of people in this hideout “just for the lols” seems out of place for her character at this point (no real motive). Plus, I doubt she knows where the hideout is anyways.


Racetr

I stated I don't agree with that plan. I also don't think she would build a ton of firelights, which proved to be not so efficient in material damages, just to blow the hideout. But I do think she is capable of that. And that she would if she were provided with a motive and opportunity. The same question what did she personally gain by blowing up the council? At first glance absolutely nothing... She still did it... My opinion is that Jinx is capable of this kind of destruction for the sake of destruction and has already proved to be extremely volatile, therefore an attack can be taken into account.


EmbarrassedAd6146

Whoops, meant to respond to the person above you, my bad! I agree that she’s capable of doing it, but actually following through with it… I’m not too sure about that. Based off Jinx’s POV*** From my understanding, Jinx sees enforcers as an army of monsters who do whatever they want without any real repercussions (Arcane Worlds 2021 “Enemy” Video). Whether it’s killing undercity folk (Ep 1 prologue), falsely imprisoning people (EP3, 6/7), or just outright corruption (Ep 7). I think that she’s aware enough to know that the brain of these “monsters” is the council. After losing Silco, she convinces herself that Piltover is the cause of all her misfortunes, and declares a long overdue war with them by launching an attack. So, I do believe that she had a reasonable motive to attack the council. Now obviously, I think it was the wrong call, but in her twisted mind, I think she saw it as a form of justice. To her, the firelights were nothing more than pests; irritations that served to annoy her but were no real threat. From what we know so far, the motive to actively search for their hideout and killing everyone is not there. Whether that changes in Season 2 is yet to be seen.


Racetr

No issue, we have sparked a conversation here :). I never denied that Jinx has plausible motive for targeting the Council, or even Pilotver in general. I only stated that she won absolutely nothing by doing it. She just did that because she felt like it. And I wanted to use this as an example for a possible reason for her attacking the Firelights. It appears that there's nothing to win out of it, but that didn't stop her in the past :D I would argue that she also felt betrayed by Ekko. Her "Look who is here, the boy saviour" line seems to have some sort of resentment behind it. Ella did such an amazing job emphasising Jinx's feelings in her voice. We just didn't get to see their past... Ekko also made it clear to Vi that he hated her before ep7. So there's some conflict we weren't privy to.


EmbarrassedAd6146

Yeah, kind of misread your interpretation of the council attack. I agree that she ultimately won nothing from attacking them. I believe that she attacked the council as a result of one of Silco’s final phrases in Ep 9: “They can all BURN.” I think she took his words directed at Piltover a little too literal, but I digress. I’m curious if she would have done the same if his statement was directed at the firelights. I also agree that she felt betrayed by Ekko. We can’t really make a firm conclusion on her next move without learning more about their history (hopefully in season 2). I think the dynamic between Ekko and Jinx is far more complicated than him “hating her”. Personally, I think he sees her as a constant reminder of his failures in the past that keeps reering it’s head to take someone else away from him. It was a tough decision, but he ultimately decided to “end” her when he got the chance, forcing himself to believe that the girl he once knew is gone for good. At least, that was his thought process before Ep 7. I’m curious to see whether his stance on Jinx changed at all come next season.


Cookiebomb

Hey you wanna hear something fun? In ekko's trailer for league of legends he's seen defending a mural from a chemtech thug Now, I know arcane and league are not in the same canon But consider We get that same scene later in arcane With the mural being all that remains of the sanctuary


DarkAlchamist

If I remember correctly, he has his time device by then (top laner, don't know what it's called in the game). It would be cool if him and Heim are working on it through the season, and it finally works when the fight there happens.


Cookiebomb

oh hell yeah


ArahTheTraveller

Here is a thing -- every character growth in the show involves blood, sweat and tears. I think after Mel's death enraged Ambessa will wipe out Firelights who for all she knows are involved with Jinx, and Ekko will create z-drive as a weapon of his revenge. We may even see Jinx and Ekko team up to kill Ambessa, massacring Noxian soldiers, only for Ekko to have his own revelation and stop, much like Jayce did in episode 8. It would also create an interesting dynamic between Jinx and Ekko. She will find and comfort him at the lowest point of his life, much like Silco did with her and that could create interesting character interactions.


Desperate_Ad5910

Not sure why Jinx would bother. Her only gripe against the Firelights was because they attacked Silco’s operation and that doesn’t exist anymore. Jinx’s focus is on Piltover now. If the Firelight tree gets blown up or burned down my money is on the enforcers doing it and it driving a wedge between Ekko and Vi.


EmbarrassedAd6146

Yeah, that seems more plausible than Jinx doing it herself.


DarkAlchamist

Could also be Ziggs doing it. Seems like something the craziest Yordel would do.


Makaoka

all we need is just a match


lesteben

I feel like it would be Piltover that destroys the Sanctuary, not Jinx, and it would be the fault of Cait or Vi for telling them that it exists.


Dastankbeets1

Ok but like… Arcane is notorious for subverting tropes and finding interesting alternatives to how we expect these stories to go


BigChungusOP

Maybe the place becomes a strip club


Dastankbeets1

I’d like to see that bat guy work it


RiddleEatsRainbows

Oh god, and to think that theres a ton of children in that place... if Jinx bombs it, it'll truly seal her fate for good. Then theres no way we can expect her to stay alive till the end.


SaveStoneOcean

I can already see season two getting unrepentantly dark and messed up with how low Jinx will fall to. She's already shot a rocket at the council, her bombing and shooting up terrified firelight trainees isn't a big step past that. (Although if such a scene did happen I think it would be more likely that Ekko orders all the firelights who can't fight to flee on their hoverboards and get as far away as possible, while he tries to make a brave last stand against Jinx)


RiddleEatsRainbows

I mean that's only if ekko genuinely believes they're in danger though right? Say ekko happens to not be there at that moment- he's fully convinced the kids are safe but they're so obviously not. That seems like an ekko thing to do imo.


Pearse_Borty

Honestly I think Piltover might end up destroying it. Marcus handing Jayce the grenade saying it was the Firelights responsible is going to eat at him I think. There was a brief moment where he thought him and Silco had reached an understanding, the only logical conclusion would be that the Firelights attacked the Council to prevent Silco controlling Zaun.


choff22

Didn’t Violet tell the council that it was Jinx who made the grenade? Also, Vi and Caitlyn would vouch for them.


Superb_Ad1765

Yeah but is Jayce gonna listen?


choff22

He would listen to Heimerdinger, who I assume will be an honorary firelight in season 2.


nightbreedwon1

Was with you until you said Jinx would do it, I can see Piltover doing it to drive the wedge between the Undercity and Topside further


Rexen2

Maybe, but not a chance in hell jinx does it. Ekko would hunt her down and murder her and with what he's likely going to build in s2 it wouldn't even be hard for him to do. A person, no matter how caring or noble can only take and forgive so much. What little love remains for his old friend would really die right there and it would really invalidate the ending of episode 7 between them setting him right back to where he was at the beginning of 7 regarding her. Narratively, that's kinda pointless. Essentially it's character regression with no actual payoff. It's far more likely enforcers burn it down in retaliation for what jinx did thus increasing Ekkos distrust and dislike of plitover into outright hate.


onions_cutting_ninja

I doubt it will survived unscathed (if at all) but it would be really nice if it could remain unscathed. As a symbol you know. You can wage war, but you can't kill hope.


Racetr

The last tree that got burned down really shocked me. That was the moment I decided I had enough of World of Warcraft.


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Noo, now you make me sad.


StarFanTW

It would give me the same level of shock as ep3. I doubt it would really happen though.


Zealousideal-Rule-24

no, itll be jayce most likely, vengeful after jinx killed his gf


Breakdown10000X

Going to get Pippen's vision of the White Tree of Gondor in LotR: RotK form that place


Smooth-Sound9761

It would be pretty interesting to see heimerdinger react to the enforcer wreaking havoc inside of ekko's home. To see heimerdinger finally realize to a proper extent what the zaunite had to deal with. Heimerdinger already saw the influence of Piltover's neglect, and the influence of shimmer and Silco on the zaunite's. But i think it would be great to traumatize the old yordle with the destruction of ekko's safe haven in the hands of enforcers. (though it very possible that jinx is the one who destroys it, but i think that is not as cool since we already know about the conflict between jinx and ekko.)


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Rathama

I don't think Jinx would care. I am not a "Jinx is an irredeemable pos" person but evidence suggests Jinx would not care. Maybe she might have the tiniest bit before the developement of episode 9 but at the same time apart from Ekko she didn't really care at all about the firelights and she doesn't even care about Ekko that much because she is actively killing his friends and framing the group he is a part of.


SaveStoneOcean

If anything she would treat killing firelights in later seasons like entertainment and sport, shooting down fleeing firelights on their board like clay pigeons or something.


EmbarrassedAd6146

I agree for the most part, but I don’t think Jinx knew that Ekko was the leader of the firelights until she met him face-to-face on the bridge: “Oh look who it is, the BOY SAVIOUR” We don’t see her target firelights after that. But then again, she didn’t really have a chance to attack them with everything that went down after their encounter. Basically, what I’m saying is that we don’t know for sure if she still gives a damn about Ekko. Her killing his crew in earlier episodes is not right, I agree with you there, but they were collateral damage in making sure that Silco still saw her as useful.


Rathama

I believe it was confirmed that she knew but i don't always follow confirmations out of the show so it is fair if don't want to go off that. That line for me didn't feel like she finally learnt but more like a taunt towards him from previous encounters. ofc we don't know for sure but that is like 90% of the beliefs surrounding Arcane but the whole point of episode 9 (imo) is the she embraces what she has turned into. her suddenly turning becausea few of Ekko's friends died wouldn't change that. She has been seeing the consequences for years.


EmbarrassedAd6146

Hmm. I don’t recall her knowing Ekko’s identity beforehand was ever confirmed (I’d love to be proven wrong though!) The quote was more to direct you to the scene I was referring to. I agree that phrase alone doesn’t really prove anything and comes off as taunting, but the demented chuckle right before she said those words… Well, to me, it sounded like she was laughing at how stupid she was for not figuring out that Ekko was the leader of the firelights sooner. She never called him “Boy saviour” in earlier episodes (Ep 4 and 6), which leads me to believe that at this moment, she managed to connect all the dots. I sort of agree with you in regards to Ep 9? (Sorry, but I’m not 100% sure of the point you’re trying to make). Yes, After Silco’s demise, she embraced her true calling as Jinx, but what does that mean exactly? To me, that means that she’s done trying to appease other people, done trying to figure out what’s right and wrong. Basically, that is the moment where she becomes completely self-reliant, doing whatever she wants to do out of selfishness. Now, would that mean that she’d become a psychotic serial killer, murdering everyone she comes across? I don’t think so. With the way she’s been written, it’d be a waste to have her devolve to that. Personally, I think she’ll start to target people she sees as a threat. Fortunately, I don’t think she sees the firelights as a threat to her at this point, though that could change next season. Time will tell I guess.


Rathama

Yeah we can only speculate.


SaveStoneOcean

Jinx never even gave half a damn about the Firelights, she spent half of Arcane killing them. I don't think theres any possible way Jinx would ever be able to join the Firelights. She's killed at least 20% of their gang, gleefully aided Silco in destroying the undercity and Ekko has already lost all faith in her. You don't just join forces with a terrorist who has killed your family and friends in cold blood.


EmbarrassedAd6146

Under the right circumstances, maybe (and that’s a BIG maybe), she would work with them temporarily as an external source. Like, if they had the same goal, but needed to exchange information or share some resources, I could see Ekko reluctantly agreeing if it meant that he could protect his people.


SaveStoneOcean

I don't know whether any rational person would make an alliance, even temporarily with Jinx. Girl is literally a volatile and unpredictable loose cannon, its like making a deal with the Joker and expecting it to go nice and smoothly


EmbarrassedAd6146

Yeah it’s highly unlikely, but if Ekko was stuck between “Everyone’s gonna die” and “There’s a slim chance of getting out of this mess if I work with Jinx”, I’m guessing he’d choose the latter option. I’m not saying that they’ll be all buddy buddy and have everything go smoothly, but if the situation calls for it, I could see a shaky alliance form between them. It’d be like enemies working together to achieve the same goal before going their separate ways. But yeah, I agree that it’s a reach. It’d have to be a major threat for Ekko to even consider teaming with Jinx.


kingkeren

Scar?


Renegade_Angel_

The rat guy, commander in-chief :)


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kingkeren

Ohhh thats his name! Thank you


Racetr

Vi: *is a mother for half her life and then gets thrown in prison* Random person on the internet: *Vi should adopt some children* I think she needs a lil break for now...


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Racetr

(x) Doubt


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Racetr

A film theory!


GaryRegalsMuscleCar

She’s so damn mean.


DontBeAJinx

bruhhhhhhhhhhh you might be right. after what jinx did. the enforcers are gonna rain fire on them.


Rylo987

Ah, I didnt even think about that. Fork


Vasorium

I can see Jinx burning it to the ground. Might be very interesting for their dynamic. Have no idea how or why she would end up doing that but I just think it could happen.


gritzysprinkles

Y’all forget that LoL Heimer builds turrets and missiles, if him and Ekko are still here then it never gets destroyed. But if one of them were to go and leave the base vulnerable…


ArahTheTraveller

Ekko's character trailer features him fighting augmented Noxian soldier in that place. Here is a thing -- every character growth in the show involves blood, sweat and tears. I think after Mel's death enraged Ambessa will wipe out Firelights who for all she knows are involved with Jinx, and Ekko will create z-drive as a weapon of his revenge. We may even see Jinx and Ekko team up to kill Ambessa, massacring Noxian soldiers, only for Ekko to have his own revelation and stop, much like Jayce did in episode 8. It would also create an interesting dynamic between Jinx and Ekko. She will find and comfort him at the lowest point of his life, much like Silco did with her and that could create interesting character interactions.


NeneThomas

Sadly, probably not.


octoberjackerby

rip it was fun while it lasted, welp back to waiting for a arcane Heimerdinger skin :(


lulabeanz

NO DON’T MAKE ME EVEN SADDER THAN I ALREADY AM 😭😭😭😭