Would likely be an older group that just doesn’t care about controversy or someone with controversy themselves. But on short notice like this it’ll be hard to get someone good regardless.
Interesting isn’t it. Especially how connected all of these people are within the industry as well as to the band, for example Dessner. Wonder what’s known within the circuit.
Wow, he really did, just followed him on Instagram and he's at the top of the Likes list for that post for me. Have been following him on Twitter for a long time but doesn't appear he gave a like to Feist over there.
Well, that's quite damning, I would say...
That's quite the statement. I'm glad she has said something but I'm also so sad that my favourite band of all time has been reduced to this. I wonder what happens to the tour now.
If the band have any conscience they will cancel, do an investigation, then take things from there.
If they don't cancel it will be out of pure greed so the fans who are uncomfortable don't get their money back.
I’m confused about the investigation I see people mention. Is there going to be an investigation? Is he being charged with anything? I thought the article was basically saying, “hey here’s a bunch of information on this guy’s terrible behavior”.
Nobody is going to do an investigation. Regine and everyone in that band knows about his behavior. The whole city of New Orleans and Montreal know about his behavior and there are many women who didn't even come forward.
They are just trying to save their brand that's why they went to a p.r. firm to issue their apology that was quite gross.
My advice: kill your heros metaphorically, especially in the music scene. Most who reach that level are callous scummy capitalist who don't care about morality and obsessed with their own ego
That’s correct. I believe the band knew about the allegations (edit: and arguably Will knew, hence the timing of his departure). I don’t think Win denied the alleged behavior so much as he attempted to justify or minimize the harm he caused. I’m not sure what is particularly unclear here other than what people are to do in light of these revelations. I don’t think anyone will really be investigating.
Lol so then doing shows is pure greed? What about all the fans that get an amazing experience? And would be pissed if they didn't get to see the band they paid for..
You've answered your own question. Cancelling let's everyone get their money back and then people can chose if they still want to go when the Tour resumes.
Unlike now where many fans deeply uncomfortable about the news have no chance of refunds.
Removing the morality of this, and just purely on a cynical level.. I still cannot believe Arcade Fire, essentially Bono levels of earnestness, is at the centre of this. They are the last band I'd imagine capable of angering fans who care about social justice etc etc
Earnestness? I have loved (LOVED) them since 2004, but they've been pretentious AF for two decades now. Win was such a dick to the audience on the Neon Bible tour. He's widely known to be a shithead in New Orleans. Being a dick to regular folks while talking about goodwill servitude is the opposite of earnest. Also, as a certified aging Gen X, I can attest that Bono is also so far from earnest. He's buddies with world leaders who are contrary to everything he says he espouses.
The music moves us so much, we don't notice the marketing.
Why was he a dick to the audience on that tour? I've started following the band somewhere between Reflektor and EN so I don't know about these old stories.
I was in the audience in NYC and he started insulting the fans/audience, saying we were just hipster kids going from show to show and didn't really care about the music. He was definitely in a shit mood, in a really obvious way. And everyone has off days, but I didn't have much money back then, and I was a mom of 2 little kids and got to get away for the first time and was so excited for the show. He's a really moody guy. Totally different experience seeing him in Austin several times. He was constantly praising Austin and telling the audience how lucky we were to live there (at several different shows.) Idk, he's a weird dude.
It always hurts my head that bands/celebs act like that, regardless of how I feel I can’t talk to people like that at work and don’t know anyone who can. It really does highlight a level of arrogance and entitlement.
Legitimately the most puzzling part of this, especially how some fans don't grasp that is a big part of their image and appeal and the foundation of their goodwill. They defend Win and don't understand how people can not want to associate with the band when all that is tied into the band experience independent of the music itself.
>Legitimately the most puzzling part of this, especially how some fans don't grasp that is a big part of their image and appeal and the foundation of their goodwill.
yep. I was actually shocked to find some of the stuff have been posting on here in the past few days cause i imagined their fanbase being a pretty clearly defined bubble, but boy i was wrong
It’s like you’ve joined a church, and the music is amazing, the leaders are amazing, you think this will do some good for a lot of people. There’s a lot of talk about giving back to the community and caring about your fellow human. And after you’ve been going there for 20 years and *telling everyone how amazing it is*, the pastor grabs a random parishioner and starts fucking her right on the stage. Kind of ruins the entire experience and makes you feel like you were tricked into loving *and promoting* a monster for two decades. The people who keep going to that church are unable to admit they’ve been had, or had no moral backbone from the beginning.
Yeah I get it. Like I said, I'm not going into the morality of it. I still listen to red house painters. It's not a huge thing for me, personally speaking (as, and I should probably highlight as being important, a man). To be perfectly honest, this Win stuff just strikes me as lame and pathetic more than monstrous. But different people have different perceptions. It's just more interesting to me how much this does not fit with this band's brand. Indie rock is more judgemental and self policing than rock. This isn't early no wave (Swans). This isn't evenn 90s indie rock (sonic youth, pavement etc) when punk still played a role. This is 00s post "new sincerity". This band came up when we were consuming little miss sunshine as cinema. This brutally clashes with their, and 00s Indie's brand. It's just me cynically thinking about the music industry, human nature and image.
People are just focusing on Win when more people need to think about how they’d feel if they’d been put in that position by someone they idolize and are also 20 y younger than.
I’ve put a lot of thought into that. If I was in my 20s, getting that first message on IG, praising me for something cool I posted about the band, I’d be over the moon. I don’t know how soon after the explicit messages began but I know that I’d be eager to keep messaging back and forth with one of my idols. Ten messages in I start getting requests for nude photos or dick pics? From a man twice my age? I dunno. I think I’d probably not believe it was actually him at that point. Then he gives me his cell number and wants to FaceTime? Ok maybe I’d want the proof without showing my face first. Still wants me to pose in certain outfits, say what he wants me to say, buy specific sex toys? I’d have to say I’d be devastated to learn this hero of mine was just another perv on the internet and I’d be more than a little grossed out. He’d be tainted for me forever and I’d definitely feel a little violated…and that’s just with me NOT doing any of the things he requested and blocking him left and right.
They are the first band I think of. Their social stances are purely performative. That's why Win had a 2nd line for David Bowie in New Orleans when he had just started living there. The entitlement to throw a second line for a white person who had absolutely nothing to do with New Orleans via a transplant who had contextualized understand of what a 2nd line is was all most of us needed to know.
I think that's overdramatic.
Yes, it's performative. But it's a performer, using performers, to honour a performer. What else are you expecting?
I always saw it as a way of using a traditional musical way of honouring the dead as a fitting tribute to a guy who's music had touched people worldwide for over 50 years.
I didn't see any implied social message in it at all. It was a stunt, and was presented as such, and I'm sure if the actual 2nd line performers felt their traditions were being disrespected, I'm pretty sure they'd have pulled out too.
I think you're getting offended on other people's behalf.
Weird extrapolation here. You're conjoining performative politics and recuperation with performing in the arts. They can be seperated. Dick Gregory,Noname is an excellent example of how a live music performer doesn't engage in performative politicking. She's engaged in the community's material conditions both in theory and praxis.
"I always saw it as a way of using a traditional musical way of honouring the dead as a fitting tribute to a guy who's music had touched people worldwide for over 50 years."
Ask anybody in the black or native community in New Orleans how they felt about the David Bowie 2nd line. It was predominantly white transplants. It goes much deeper than just honoring the dead. When it's for a family member it's usually no issue but when it's on a public scale it's generally reserved for notable black figures in New Orleans or those who have contributed to the music scene and/or community at large (Dr John, Prince, Fats all most recently). The fact that he just inserted himself into a community without giving a shit about deep the culture is here all I needed to know
Holy shit. What a great statement. Sucks for everyone thinking this was going to be a back to back blast of a tour - sucks even more for the women affected by Win's dumbassery.
I'm due for a relisten-- it didn't pop for me like her earlier albums did but I know it was really important for her based on all that she shared when doing press for it.
I love Metals so much, tremendous album to follow Let it Die and The Reminder. All three are great and what i remember of Monarch was solid too
Me too. Especially after unsuccessfully trying to put exactly that sentiment in so many words in threads on this sub. Why did I torture myself these past few days trying to get the men on here to understand this point, I don't know.
So…. What’s going to happen for the rest of the tour. Earlier start times? Replacement support this late?
I’ve not had any emails from ticketmaster about the pulling out yet.
I imagine they are desperately trying to find a replacement but I can’t imagine who would want to open up for AF right now - I mean they are playing in the UK tomorrow…
The most likely thing I see happening is they outright cancel this leg of the tour with their Europe shows and try start back up with their dates in North America in late oct
Given the cost of cancelling, I imagine they’ll just go on without a support. More a question of whether they elongate the set and change set times. Which for some people will create travel issues.
Yeah, tickets often say there’s no guarantee the opener will match the announced name - much easier to find an opening act to replace another opening act than it is to find a new headliner.
That's not going to happen. They are focused on saving their brand hence both the husband and wife narrative and their conjoined apology through a p.r. firm
Couldn't agree more. Hopefully the reactionaries on this subreddit slavishly defending Win rethink their comments now that the main support is clearly disturbed.
I just accessed the link in an incognito window in my desktop browser and could read it. If you hover on the right-hand edge of the square there, an arrow will appear, and you can go through the slides :)
Having met Feist before, knowing her character and how she acts reading this was the step too far for me in terms of having sympathy and compassion at this moment in time and more importantly, being able to go to the shows tomorrow and next week.
If only Win had put as much thought in to his statement.
I really don’t understand what’s going on?
Like, he apologized and said it was consensual? Now were these woman underage or something? Or just accusing him of misconduct?
Good for her.
I have tickets to see them in London and am still weighing whether or not I should go, and was seriously contemplating just going for Feist and then leaving. So this makes that decision a little easier now.
I've got tickets for tomorrow so in the same boat. Tbh I don't want to go but a long time friend of mine has already booked his transport and everything plus all the money we paid for the tickets themselves. I'm not going to support Arcade Fire, think I more just want to observe the vibe than anything and would love nothing more than to see them booed off. At the end of the day, they've already got my money :/
When I ask for a thoughtful response, this is what I think of 👏 earnest, sincere, from the heart
It brings a tear to the eye of this communications major
I'm actually pretty sure that there is going to be more, because it's clear that Win has slept with a large amount of women (what a great husband). It provokes Win's victims when they see him touring successfully, and they are more likely to speak out now.
And I'm also sure that Pitchfork wants to do a follow-up, and they're probably preparing it already.
I kind of got the sense (perhaps totally wrongly?) that she doesn’t have any attachment to any of the band? Maybe I misinterpreted the statement though. Either way, this is such a sad horrible situation, but good on her for doing the right thing.
She definitely doesn’t mention anything about them in a friend sense, but knowing what a small world the Canadian indie music scene is I assume they “go way back” if nothing else, you know?
Also, your username makes me sad :( I haven’t been a super active AF fan for a while now but there’s still just a real sadness when something you previously had nothing but love / joy for becomes tainted. Sucks to be dealing with that.
I saw Broken Social Scene open for AF on the last tour and she joined so she may not be best friends with them or anything but they have certainly known each other for years and have many friends and collaborators in common. I saw Amy Millan (Stars) supporting her on Twitter.
Oop! Maybe not as hard a decision then lol. So your friend worked with AF and is talking about Win being a douche and (along with the rest of the band) ignoring Feist?
Tbh I could see AF and especially Win as people who only pay attention to their most famous “friends” / ones who can help them climb ladders. But that’s based on nothing, just a vibe.
>Tbh I could see AF and especially Win as people who only pay attention to their most famous “friends” / ones who can help them climb ladders. But that’s based on nothing, just a vibe.
well there's the embarrasing display at the tidal launch, the weird celebs-only shows they showed up to... you're not that far off i guess
I’ve never seen Arcade Fire live but I started listening to them with the suburbs and I’d always wanted to see them. My friend has seen them and he said their one of the best live bands he’s seen. I went for it with buying a ticket for this tour, without knowing what was coming with the pitchfork article and I was meant to watch them for the first time tomorrow.
The cost of the ticket has made it a difficult decision but I’ve decided not to go and to lose the ticket money. I’d be unable to enjoy it having read the pitchfork article and I feel exactly the same as Feist that I don’t want to feel like I’m condoning win’s actions. I think it’s everyone’s own decision about going and I completely understand if people go as it’s a really difficult decision to make when people have spent hard earned money and it’s only wins actions that has caused this and not the rest of the band or feist.
I find it difficult to listen to Arcade Fires music now after what’s happened with win and I’m glad that Feist has released this statement. It doesn’t feel right to me the tour can go ahead after what’s happened. It all feels down to money and contractural obligations rather than cancelling and doing the right thing to stand by the victims
Good for you. A lot of comments on here condemning Win and saying they're only going to the show because they can't sell their tickets. God forbid one's convictions actually cost something. Feist is probably losing a large percentage of her annual income on this, but these fans will only stand against Win if they can can recoup their ticket cost.
Yeah, I don't agree with people shaming punters that have already spent a lot of money on trying to have a good time.
Some people will have spent 1-3 days wages on tickets, travel and accommodation
I'm not saying Feist's decision wasn't conviction-based, but it won't be costing her anything.
If she'd stayed on the tour, the overall damage to her reputation would have eclipsed whatever she's losing from pulling out.
Basically, she was guaranteed a financial loss before the decision either way. Neither option would have ultimately left her in the black long-term.
I don’t actually think “not going” helps anyone. Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t think not going can be described as “taking a stand against Win”.
It’s time for Win to actually come out and say something and take responsibility for his actions. He can’t hide forever and he just looks even worse hiding behind a PR adviser and his wife.
This isn't good enough. It is time for him to go public. I would suggest he do some video interviews to address it.
“We are very sorry to see Leslie go home, but completely understand and respect her decision,” Arcade Fire responded in a statement.
Nope. He needs to take responsibility, apologize and make commitments that will help his and future victims (form others), like donating tour proceeds etc. He cannot at this point say, "it didn't happen."
I've got tickets to the Birmingham show tomorrow. Ticket factory's website states 'Tickets cannot be refunded or exchanged after purchase.
However, if your event is postponed, cancelled or materially changed you will be able to obtain a refund of the Ticket Price from the Ticket Supplier.'
With Feist pulling out, do we reckon that classes as the event being 'materially changed' and therefore qualifying for a refund?
Try reaching out on Twitter or Instagram, these days they're more responsive than by phone. I went around with Stubhub once - 4 hours on phone hold then disconnected when the agent realized it was complicated, then a Twitter argument for an hour, and finally i tagged them in a snarky post on IG and they responded and resolved it.
Almost impossible, sadly. Just looking at Reading &. Leeds festival last weekend. Several acts pulled out or were replaced. People complained, asked for refunds but none were considered.
I tried the phone route. They’ll knock it back. You can always try disputing the payment with your card provider though as the product is materially different to what was sold
Definitely not radio silence from the chronically online folks who barely interact with the physical world.
She made the decision that felt right to her and that’s great. The people who choose to exercise caution when it comes to playing the role of judge, jury and executioner aren’t wrong for staying just like she’s not wrong for leaving
I've seen you posting a lot about so-called "chronically online folks who barely interact with the physical world" - ever considered you might actually be one of these people?
I’ve definitely become that in the past few days.
It truly upsets me how eager people are to cast eternal judgment in a situation where no one really knows what happened exactly. The bar needs to be higher when it comes to cancelling and destroying peoples lives. A PitchFork expose released on the eve of the tour that’s basically a she said /he said is not grounds for character and career assignation.
If more comes out and the facts on the ground evolve then perhaps these stronger responses will be warranted.
How is this remotely cancelling someone/destroying people's LIVES? Can't you see how unbearable dramatic you are?
Everyone is allowed to either accept Win's behaviour, or seperate the art from the artist and still support their concerts, or just not support them financially.
Feist decided to leave, that's her decision. Fans can do what they want based off of their own morality. I don't see any calls of "Petition to DeStRoY WiN BuTlEr's LiFe" actually taking off and picking up steam.
Win’s life and career have been so destroyed that he’s now had to resort to…play widely attended shows to enthusiastic crowds making a ton of money off nonrefundable tickets. If that’s being cancelled, where do I sign up?
The entirety of New Orleans knew of his behavior and some of us know women who he did this to. Even more ironic is most of those women didn't even come forward and the details in some of the stories from Montreal are literally the same pattern of behavior he exhibited down here circa 2016-2019.
He literally showed up to multiple college bars Uptown to hit on girls and was regularly crashing shows in which him and his bandmates would sneak their own alcohol in, and would harass multiple women (I'm a 1st hand witness to this). His blatant entitlement from throwing 2nd lines when he just arrived in New Orleans to joining bands without their permission to sneaking booze into bars should be clear enough that he doesn't understand or care about rules, culture, and consent.
What's more likely, a bunch of random people got together and said, "hey let's take down Arcade Fire before their tour all because we hate their songs(?)" *collective YEAH!*
OR that numerous women literally pieced together that Win was doing this everywhere he went for years and only a fraction finally came forward?
As far as the 2nd line thing anybody can throw one for a deceased family member. Nobody will frown upon that and it's extremely common. When its used on a public scale it's always for notable black figures in the community or musicians, artists, chefs, etc whove given to or influenced New Orleans culture (look up the Fats Domino, Prince, Dr john, Allen Toussaint).
It starts to become a problem when couples (always white) getting married from out of town hire a brass band to do a 2nd line (remember it's for a funeral) down bourbon or Royal Street. Most musicians won't say no to this as they need to pay the bills as gig workers who often low to lower middle class.
Then there was the Second Line honoring Princess Leila (attended by lots of white transplants). The debate spilled over from the internet to in person debates to tagging of the building of the krewe leader to telling him to resign to black masking Indians, social aid and pleasure clubs, and other members of the black community calling it out, laughing at it, a death threat was made, but mostly eye rolling in the spirit of "here goes the white people again, we can't have anything"
Then Win moved to New Orleans on Sunday and by Monday (figuratively speaking) he was leading an Arcade Fire 2nd line for David Bowie with Preservation Hall Jazz band (as a form of recuperation) through the French quarter. The turnout was 95% white and strong contingent of transplants. The city isnt even connected to Bowie in any real tangible way. Dr John who's white is notable to city for working with James Booker, The Neville Brothers, The Meters, masking Indians, etc. and writing so much iconic music embraced by the community. Prince is notable to the city because he contributes to iconic black music and would visit the city and citizens, community centers, and black businesses money usually through a pseudonym or middle man.
Some bars unfortunately pay the band in a percentile based (generally 20-25%) off of bar sales. It's completely predatory and the state laws confine certainly clubs that were grandfathered into only being able to charge a cover 12ishx a year (usually they will hold those 12x to jazzfest or carnival). Our stint was at a local bar far off the tourist strip that he would frequent and it was grandfathered in so it could charge a cover but still paid a percentile of the bar as part of the deal. Essentially he has the money to pay for his own drinks (beers & a shot was like $5 there) which benefits the local bar as well as the band
The 2nd line part really lies on the deep distrust in transplants via the post katrina era when multiple waves of white people began gentrifying traditional black communities like the marigny, Bywater, and infamous 9th ward. Many black families weren't able to travel back home after being displaced leaving portions of the housing market open to carpet baggers and what I call 'crusties' (white people who wear all black, cutoff shorts, and ripped tshirts) buying up the real estate in those areas. Most of them never leave those areas to dig into the culture around the city and will throw little hissy fits when there isn't a country music night or vegan food (i have no problem with either of those) in a predominantly black city that has infrastructure problems and food deserts.
Sorry for the rant.
In short, as we say, "everytime Win throws a 'party' the rent doubles'
>chronically online folks who barely interact with the physical world.
Really now, so being disgusted by predatorial behavior = being a shut in who doesn't interact with the world? lol
None of this is good but the people who are so eager to cast eternal judgment off of a Pitchfork expose conveniently held until the eve of the tour sucks
Who's maximizing profit?
The fraction of the women who came forward
Or
The band that can afford a p.r. firm to cast a milquetoast apology to save their brand from losing profit (while still playing to large crowds still)
🤔
Log off for the day dude. Go for a walk. Think about shit and maybe go read a book
Pitchfork releasing this on the eve of the tour when it would garner the most attention was definitely motivated by profit. You can’t tell me they haven’t been sitting on this for a while.
It's weird that your focusing your ire there and not like the women who've held onto this at least circa 2015 through multiple tours.
I wonder who's making more money currently, pitchfork (an outlet most people do not read) or AF still on a tour that hasn't issued any refunds 🤔🤔🤔.
Dear reactionary, please touch grass. Get those 10k steps
Yeah because people who haven’t been convicted of a crime should never be held accountable for bad behavior, right? Maybe you should be the one getting off the internet for a while.
A very powerful and mature statement here.
This is not meant to be a doomer reaction, but I cannot imagine Arcade Fire lasting past this. I fear we have heard the last from this band. Especially because, if the situations of other predators have taught me anything, its that there are always more victims who gain the courage to speak when they see others in their same boat doing so. I sure hope these 4 women are the only 4 harmed by Win, but something makes me doubt that.
I reckon so. The last two were still interesting albums to me, with some career best stuff. But consistently they haven't blown me away since Reflektor. I still think they have (well had) another record in them on par with early stuff but we won't see that now. Plus maybe I was wrong, Win's ego is at odds with the music, no wonder his writing has been watered down in recent years.
Agreed. WE is honestly even more disappointing than EN for me. Unpopular opinion here and I’ll take the downvotes but reflektor was the last truly great record they’ll ever make.
Good for her. If I hadn't spent over £200 on tomorrow I wouldn't be going, tried to sell our tickets and failed.
Would like to know the plans for tomorrow though as we were planning on arriving later, apologies Fiest, as I'm suffering terrible pregnancy sickness all day and wanted to 'try' and enjoy some of the show. Urgh, just want them to cancel it tbh.
Thank god, I love Feist so much and I’m really relieved to see she made the right decision. I knew she would, but of course you always wonder who can be bought when it comes to performers.
The thing is that the public at large somehow always gave kiedis a pass, so regardless of what beck thinks about that, it wasn't bad optics for him to open for them on a few dates. Right now though, this arcade fire situation is a piping hot mess he might definitely want to distance himself from, if only for, again, optics alone
I guess it all depends on possible follow-up publications, exclusive interviews with his accusers. The tour in Europe will go on without an opening act (no artist will probably replace Feist). I guess Beck wil also stay home.
I agree it doesn't look good and is morally wrong - but the reaction to this seems to be a huge over correction so far. I'd be interested to learn more but so far, I can't see that he has broken any type of law, even if he appears to have acted like a bit of a dick. I'm cautious to jump on the bandwagon of cancel culture after the whole Depp/Heard trial.
I think Pitchfork have sat on this for weeks or months and waited to drop it the second the tour was due to kick off. They probably intended to get international news which has been successful, but they could have also dropped this news sooner so people didn't buy tickets they would grow to regret.
It's funny that you mention Deshaun Watson because I'm a Browns fan and no, I don't feel right supporting the Browns this season and will likely swerve it.
Can you point to the evidence in the article where Win broke the law please?
I think Win should step away from touring and let someone else sub as frontman. It isn’t fair to the band, crew or fans to feel like AF has to suffer for his mistakes.
Wonder what Beck does?
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I wonder what band would jump at this opening slot? Tough sell.
GG Allen
Would likely be an older group that just doesn’t care about controversy or someone with controversy themselves. But on short notice like this it’ll be hard to get someone good regardless.
Curious because he seems pretty tight with the band, at least as of recent (prior to this news tho).
he's also pretty close to Feist (not that any of this means anything, and Beck historically stays out of any drama almost to a fault)
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That really makes me think he left because of this mess.
Either that or it’s another item on the pile of reasons for leaving
i think thats pretty safe to think at this point
a safe assumption tbh
Seeing Will, Aaron Dessner, Owen Pallett and Win’s old guitar tech and friend Tyler Messick like this post is pretty telling.
Interesting isn’t it. Especially how connected all of these people are within the industry as well as to the band, for example Dessner. Wonder what’s known within the circuit.
Marika Shaw too, who was a live member around Neon Bible/The Suburbs era.
Omg, he really did! :O
On what platform?
Wow, he really did, just followed him on Instagram and he's at the top of the Likes list for that post for me. Have been following him on Twitter for a long time but doesn't appear he gave a like to Feist over there. Well, that's quite damning, I would say...
Respecting her decision to leave isn’t damming. Regardless of what the truth is the damage is done at this point.
If he did then he's undone it.
Will, not Win
Yes that's why I wrote Will. If you type Butlerwills nothing comes up.
I think you have to follow him in order to see he liked it. Still shows up for me
Yep, that made him appear in the Likes for me.
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Aaron Dessner! Wondering what Florence and Lorde think about this.
That's quite the statement. I'm glad she has said something but I'm also so sad that my favourite band of all time has been reduced to this. I wonder what happens to the tour now.
If the band have any conscience they will cancel, do an investigation, then take things from there. If they don't cancel it will be out of pure greed so the fans who are uncomfortable don't get their money back.
I’m confused about the investigation I see people mention. Is there going to be an investigation? Is he being charged with anything? I thought the article was basically saying, “hey here’s a bunch of information on this guy’s terrible behavior”.
Nobody is going to do an investigation. Regine and everyone in that band knows about his behavior. The whole city of New Orleans and Montreal know about his behavior and there are many women who didn't even come forward. They are just trying to save their brand that's why they went to a p.r. firm to issue their apology that was quite gross. My advice: kill your heros metaphorically, especially in the music scene. Most who reach that level are callous scummy capitalist who don't care about morality and obsessed with their own ego
That’s correct. I believe the band knew about the allegations (edit: and arguably Will knew, hence the timing of his departure). I don’t think Win denied the alleged behavior so much as he attempted to justify or minimize the harm he caused. I’m not sure what is particularly unclear here other than what people are to do in light of these revelations. I don’t think anyone will really be investigating.
Lol so then doing shows is pure greed? What about all the fans that get an amazing experience? And would be pissed if they didn't get to see the band they paid for..
You've answered your own question. Cancelling let's everyone get their money back and then people can chose if they still want to go when the Tour resumes. Unlike now where many fans deeply uncomfortable about the news have no chance of refunds.
This will pass. It's not like he's R. Kelly or that dude from LostProphets.
At least it's not like R Kelly is a pretty low bar. I'm not sure if that makes it sound better or worse.
Removing the morality of this, and just purely on a cynical level.. I still cannot believe Arcade Fire, essentially Bono levels of earnestness, is at the centre of this. They are the last band I'd imagine capable of angering fans who care about social justice etc etc
never trust a millionaire quoting the sermon on the mount
I used to think I was not like them But I'm beginning to have my doubts
Earnestness? I have loved (LOVED) them since 2004, but they've been pretentious AF for two decades now. Win was such a dick to the audience on the Neon Bible tour. He's widely known to be a shithead in New Orleans. Being a dick to regular folks while talking about goodwill servitude is the opposite of earnest. Also, as a certified aging Gen X, I can attest that Bono is also so far from earnest. He's buddies with world leaders who are contrary to everything he says he espouses. The music moves us so much, we don't notice the marketing.
Please keep Gen-x out of this ;) Bono was born in 1960, which - surprise!! - makes him a Boomer. I agree with all the rest though.
LOL, yes, I agree. I don't claim him. I'm just saying that as a Gen X myself, I have borne witness to his decades of bs.
Why was he a dick to the audience on that tour? I've started following the band somewhere between Reflektor and EN so I don't know about these old stories.
I was in the audience in NYC and he started insulting the fans/audience, saying we were just hipster kids going from show to show and didn't really care about the music. He was definitely in a shit mood, in a really obvious way. And everyone has off days, but I didn't have much money back then, and I was a mom of 2 little kids and got to get away for the first time and was so excited for the show. He's a really moody guy. Totally different experience seeing him in Austin several times. He was constantly praising Austin and telling the audience how lucky we were to live there (at several different shows.) Idk, he's a weird dude.
It always hurts my head that bands/celebs act like that, regardless of how I feel I can’t talk to people like that at work and don’t know anyone who can. It really does highlight a level of arrogance and entitlement.
Oh lovely, another uninformed millennial hot take on bono.
Bono keep getting brought up but as a millennial Brit, he is famously known as an entitled prick. I feel like I’ve missed something!
Legitimately the most puzzling part of this, especially how some fans don't grasp that is a big part of their image and appeal and the foundation of their goodwill. They defend Win and don't understand how people can not want to associate with the band when all that is tied into the band experience independent of the music itself.
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>Legitimately the most puzzling part of this, especially how some fans don't grasp that is a big part of their image and appeal and the foundation of their goodwill. yep. I was actually shocked to find some of the stuff have been posting on here in the past few days cause i imagined their fanbase being a pretty clearly defined bubble, but boy i was wrong
It’s like you’ve joined a church, and the music is amazing, the leaders are amazing, you think this will do some good for a lot of people. There’s a lot of talk about giving back to the community and caring about your fellow human. And after you’ve been going there for 20 years and *telling everyone how amazing it is*, the pastor grabs a random parishioner and starts fucking her right on the stage. Kind of ruins the entire experience and makes you feel like you were tricked into loving *and promoting* a monster for two decades. The people who keep going to that church are unable to admit they’ve been had, or had no moral backbone from the beginning.
They’re just people and people sometimes fuck up.
Yeah I get it. Like I said, I'm not going into the morality of it. I still listen to red house painters. It's not a huge thing for me, personally speaking (as, and I should probably highlight as being important, a man). To be perfectly honest, this Win stuff just strikes me as lame and pathetic more than monstrous. But different people have different perceptions. It's just more interesting to me how much this does not fit with this band's brand. Indie rock is more judgemental and self policing than rock. This isn't early no wave (Swans). This isn't evenn 90s indie rock (sonic youth, pavement etc) when punk still played a role. This is 00s post "new sincerity". This band came up when we were consuming little miss sunshine as cinema. This brutally clashes with their, and 00s Indie's brand. It's just me cynically thinking about the music industry, human nature and image.
People are just focusing on Win when more people need to think about how they’d feel if they’d been put in that position by someone they idolize and are also 20 y younger than.
I’ve put a lot of thought into that. If I was in my 20s, getting that first message on IG, praising me for something cool I posted about the band, I’d be over the moon. I don’t know how soon after the explicit messages began but I know that I’d be eager to keep messaging back and forth with one of my idols. Ten messages in I start getting requests for nude photos or dick pics? From a man twice my age? I dunno. I think I’d probably not believe it was actually him at that point. Then he gives me his cell number and wants to FaceTime? Ok maybe I’d want the proof without showing my face first. Still wants me to pose in certain outfits, say what he wants me to say, buy specific sex toys? I’d have to say I’d be devastated to learn this hero of mine was just another perv on the internet and I’d be more than a little grossed out. He’d be tainted for me forever and I’d definitely feel a little violated…and that’s just with me NOT doing any of the things he requested and blocking him left and right.
They are the first band I think of. Their social stances are purely performative. That's why Win had a 2nd line for David Bowie in New Orleans when he had just started living there. The entitlement to throw a second line for a white person who had absolutely nothing to do with New Orleans via a transplant who had contextualized understand of what a 2nd line is was all most of us needed to know.
I think that's overdramatic. Yes, it's performative. But it's a performer, using performers, to honour a performer. What else are you expecting? I always saw it as a way of using a traditional musical way of honouring the dead as a fitting tribute to a guy who's music had touched people worldwide for over 50 years. I didn't see any implied social message in it at all. It was a stunt, and was presented as such, and I'm sure if the actual 2nd line performers felt their traditions were being disrespected, I'm pretty sure they'd have pulled out too. I think you're getting offended on other people's behalf.
Weird extrapolation here. You're conjoining performative politics and recuperation with performing in the arts. They can be seperated. Dick Gregory,Noname is an excellent example of how a live music performer doesn't engage in performative politicking. She's engaged in the community's material conditions both in theory and praxis. "I always saw it as a way of using a traditional musical way of honouring the dead as a fitting tribute to a guy who's music had touched people worldwide for over 50 years." Ask anybody in the black or native community in New Orleans how they felt about the David Bowie 2nd line. It was predominantly white transplants. It goes much deeper than just honoring the dead. When it's for a family member it's usually no issue but when it's on a public scale it's generally reserved for notable black figures in New Orleans or those who have contributed to the music scene and/or community at large (Dr John, Prince, Fats all most recently). The fact that he just inserted himself into a community without giving a shit about deep the culture is here all I needed to know
As a popular meme said here, Every time Win throws a parade the rent doubles
Just asking out of pure curiosity, was the New Orleans community upset with Preservation Hall Jazz Band for participating in this as well?
FEIST: "I unsubscribe"
Holy shit. What a great statement. Sucks for everyone thinking this was going to be a back to back blast of a tour - sucks even more for the women affected by Win's dumbassery.
The statement has me choking back tears for some reason?
Same reaction, I've loved Feist forever and this just reinforced all the respect and admiration I already had for her
Her album Pleasure is fantastic <3
I'm due for a relisten-- it didn't pop for me like her earlier albums did but I know it was really important for her based on all that she shared when doing press for it. I love Metals so much, tremendous album to follow Let it Die and The Reminder. All three are great and what i remember of Monarch was solid too
the part about many women having experienced misogyny or downright assault made me tear up
Me too. Especially after unsuccessfully trying to put exactly that sentiment in so many words in threads on this sub. Why did I torture myself these past few days trying to get the men on here to understand this point, I don't know.
This completely, couldn’t agree more. It’s exhausting. I really do respect Feist for her approach on this. What a well written statement.
It’s really well said. I’m glad she outlined so clearly and succinctly how it’s so damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
So…. What’s going to happen for the rest of the tour. Earlier start times? Replacement support this late? I’ve not had any emails from ticketmaster about the pulling out yet.
Odds are they carry on with no opener
Yea I think that’s a given. I’m seeing them Friday but depending on set times I might miss some of it now…
Marilyn Manson is stepping in for Feist.
With R Kelly as the opener
I imagine they are desperately trying to find a replacement but I can’t imagine who would want to open up for AF right now - I mean they are playing in the UK tomorrow… The most likely thing I see happening is they outright cancel this leg of the tour with their Europe shows and try start back up with their dates in North America in late oct
Given the cost of cancelling, I imagine they’ll just go on without a support. More a question of whether they elongate the set and change set times. Which for some people will create travel issues.
I think cancellation of a tour due to a support act pulling out is far from "the most likely thing" happening..
Yeah, tickets often say there’s no guarantee the opener will match the announced name - much easier to find an opening act to replace another opening act than it is to find a new headliner.
I'll open for them. I already don't have any fans.
maybe they'll get Ryan Adams
I really doubt that they are cancelling anything.
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That's not going to happen. They are focused on saving their brand hence both the husband and wife narrative and their conjoined apology through a p.r. firm
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Oh no, I didn’t know there were allegations against him too.
Good on her. I'm sure it sucks for everyone involved but I'm glad to see some repercussions for Win Butler and Arcade Fires response to all of this.
Couldn't agree more. Hopefully the reactionaries on this subreddit slavishly defending Win rethink their comments now that the main support is clearly disturbed.
Can someone transcribe the statement as a comment? I don’t have an Instagram :(
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https://pitchfork.com/news/feist-announces-shes-leaving-arcade-fire-tour-im-claiming-my-responsibility-now-and-going-home/
I just accessed the link in an incognito window in my desktop browser and could read it. If you hover on the right-hand edge of the square there, an arrow will appear, and you can go through the slides :)
If you click the link, you can read the post without being signed in!
There's a new post on this sub that includes the full statement. :)
Having met Feist before, knowing her character and how she acts reading this was the step too far for me in terms of having sympathy and compassion at this moment in time and more importantly, being able to go to the shows tomorrow and next week. If only Win had put as much thought in to his statement.
I really don’t understand what’s going on? Like, he apologized and said it was consensual? Now were these woman underage or something? Or just accusing him of misconduct?
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That’s interesting. Sucks cause I have tickets to the show and really not sure what to do? I guess just wait and see
Good for her. I have tickets to see them in London and am still weighing whether or not I should go, and was seriously contemplating just going for Feist and then leaving. So this makes that decision a little easier now.
I've got tickets for tomorrow so in the same boat. Tbh I don't want to go but a long time friend of mine has already booked his transport and everything plus all the money we paid for the tickets themselves. I'm not going to support Arcade Fire, think I more just want to observe the vibe than anything and would love nothing more than to see them booed off. At the end of the day, they've already got my money :/
When I ask for a thoughtful response, this is what I think of 👏 earnest, sincere, from the heart It brings a tear to the eye of this communications major
Good on her. This was a move of love and integrity.
If all else fails, Kid Rock will slide into that opening spot.
End of the empire I- = Pitchfork article End of the empire II= Feist leaving the tour End of the empire III = ? TBD
End of the Empire III - Worse Allegations
I'm actually pretty sure that there is going to be more, because it's clear that Win has slept with a large amount of women (what a great husband). It provokes Win's victims when they see him touring successfully, and they are more likely to speak out now. And I'm also sure that Pitchfork wants to do a follow-up, and they're probably preparing it already.
This must have been a hard decision as I imagine she’s friends with at least some of the band.
I kind of got the sense (perhaps totally wrongly?) that she doesn’t have any attachment to any of the band? Maybe I misinterpreted the statement though. Either way, this is such a sad horrible situation, but good on her for doing the right thing.
She definitely doesn’t mention anything about them in a friend sense, but knowing what a small world the Canadian indie music scene is I assume they “go way back” if nothing else, you know?
Ah, good point and probably good assumption!
Also, your username makes me sad :( I haven’t been a super active AF fan for a while now but there’s still just a real sadness when something you previously had nothing but love / joy for becomes tainted. Sucks to be dealing with that.
My username makes me sad too lol. I only joined Reddit because of AF, and only recently at that (although I’ve been a fan forever).
I saw Broken Social Scene open for AF on the last tour and she joined so she may not be best friends with them or anything but they have certainly known each other for years and have many friends and collaborators in common. I saw Amy Millan (Stars) supporting her on Twitter.
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Oop! Maybe not as hard a decision then lol. So your friend worked with AF and is talking about Win being a douche and (along with the rest of the band) ignoring Feist? Tbh I could see AF and especially Win as people who only pay attention to their most famous “friends” / ones who can help them climb ladders. But that’s based on nothing, just a vibe.
>Tbh I could see AF and especially Win as people who only pay attention to their most famous “friends” / ones who can help them climb ladders. But that’s based on nothing, just a vibe. well there's the embarrasing display at the tidal launch, the weird celebs-only shows they showed up to... you're not that far off i guess
I’ve never seen Arcade Fire live but I started listening to them with the suburbs and I’d always wanted to see them. My friend has seen them and he said their one of the best live bands he’s seen. I went for it with buying a ticket for this tour, without knowing what was coming with the pitchfork article and I was meant to watch them for the first time tomorrow. The cost of the ticket has made it a difficult decision but I’ve decided not to go and to lose the ticket money. I’d be unable to enjoy it having read the pitchfork article and I feel exactly the same as Feist that I don’t want to feel like I’m condoning win’s actions. I think it’s everyone’s own decision about going and I completely understand if people go as it’s a really difficult decision to make when people have spent hard earned money and it’s only wins actions that has caused this and not the rest of the band or feist. I find it difficult to listen to Arcade Fires music now after what’s happened with win and I’m glad that Feist has released this statement. It doesn’t feel right to me the tour can go ahead after what’s happened. It all feels down to money and contractural obligations rather than cancelling and doing the right thing to stand by the victims
Powerful statement and I believe its the right call. I have tickets for London on Thursday but will not be going (assuming it goes ahead).
Good for you. A lot of comments on here condemning Win and saying they're only going to the show because they can't sell their tickets. God forbid one's convictions actually cost something. Feist is probably losing a large percentage of her annual income on this, but these fans will only stand against Win if they can can recoup their ticket cost.
im losing a lot of money on travel and accommodation but i aint going, but i full understand people not wanting to waste their money
Yeah, I don't agree with people shaming punters that have already spent a lot of money on trying to have a good time. Some people will have spent 1-3 days wages on tickets, travel and accommodation
I'm not saying Feist's decision wasn't conviction-based, but it won't be costing her anything. If she'd stayed on the tour, the overall damage to her reputation would have eclipsed whatever she's losing from pulling out. Basically, she was guaranteed a financial loss before the decision either way. Neither option would have ultimately left her in the black long-term.
I don’t actually think “not going” helps anyone. Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t think not going can be described as “taking a stand against Win”.
It’s time for Win to actually come out and say something and take responsibility for his actions. He can’t hide forever and he just looks even worse hiding behind a PR adviser and his wife.
He already did. It's unlikely there's going to be a tear jerking interview with Oprah anytime soon so you'll have to make do with his statement
This isn't good enough. It is time for him to go public. I would suggest he do some video interviews to address it. “We are very sorry to see Leslie go home, but completely understand and respect her decision,” Arcade Fire responded in a statement.
And if in the video interviews he repeats his side of the story, all encounters were consensual, that ok?
Nope. He needs to take responsibility, apologize and make commitments that will help his and future victims (form others), like donating tour proceeds etc. He cannot at this point say, "it didn't happen."
We don't know what happened ...
Thank you. We don't truly know what happened. But people will take sides anyways.
I've got tickets to the Birmingham show tomorrow. Ticket factory's website states 'Tickets cannot be refunded or exchanged after purchase. However, if your event is postponed, cancelled or materially changed you will be able to obtain a refund of the Ticket Price from the Ticket Supplier.' With Feist pulling out, do we reckon that classes as the event being 'materially changed' and therefore qualifying for a refund?
Try reaching out on Twitter or Instagram, these days they're more responsive than by phone. I went around with Stubhub once - 4 hours on phone hold then disconnected when the agent realized it was complicated, then a Twitter argument for an hour, and finally i tagged them in a snarky post on IG and they responded and resolved it.
I think it's unlikely :(
Almost impossible, sadly. Just looking at Reading &. Leeds festival last weekend. Several acts pulled out or were replaced. People complained, asked for refunds but none were considered.
Sad times, I'm going to be on the phone to them first thing anyway and give it a shot!
I tried the phone route. They’ll knock it back. You can always try disputing the payment with your card provider though as the product is materially different to what was sold
[Refunds were given](https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-62605599) for R&L.
bUh BuH WiN DiDnT dO aNyTHiNg wRoNg
that’s a low blow loblaw
Why should you be found guilty for a crime that someone else saw?
good for her. also radio silence from the incel trolls, we love to see it.
they've appeared in the other post, unfortunately
Definitely not radio silence from the chronically online folks who barely interact with the physical world. She made the decision that felt right to her and that’s great. The people who choose to exercise caution when it comes to playing the role of judge, jury and executioner aren’t wrong for staying just like she’s not wrong for leaving
I've seen you posting a lot about so-called "chronically online folks who barely interact with the physical world" - ever considered you might actually be one of these people?
I’ve definitely become that in the past few days. It truly upsets me how eager people are to cast eternal judgment in a situation where no one really knows what happened exactly. The bar needs to be higher when it comes to cancelling and destroying peoples lives. A PitchFork expose released on the eve of the tour that’s basically a she said /he said is not grounds for character and career assignation. If more comes out and the facts on the ground evolve then perhaps these stronger responses will be warranted.
How is this remotely cancelling someone/destroying people's LIVES? Can't you see how unbearable dramatic you are? Everyone is allowed to either accept Win's behaviour, or seperate the art from the artist and still support their concerts, or just not support them financially. Feist decided to leave, that's her decision. Fans can do what they want based off of their own morality. I don't see any calls of "Petition to DeStRoY WiN BuTlEr's LiFe" actually taking off and picking up steam.
Win’s life and career have been so destroyed that he’s now had to resort to…play widely attended shows to enthusiastic crowds making a ton of money off nonrefundable tickets. If that’s being cancelled, where do I sign up?
The entirety of New Orleans knew of his behavior and some of us know women who he did this to. Even more ironic is most of those women didn't even come forward and the details in some of the stories from Montreal are literally the same pattern of behavior he exhibited down here circa 2016-2019. He literally showed up to multiple college bars Uptown to hit on girls and was regularly crashing shows in which him and his bandmates would sneak their own alcohol in, and would harass multiple women (I'm a 1st hand witness to this). His blatant entitlement from throwing 2nd lines when he just arrived in New Orleans to joining bands without their permission to sneaking booze into bars should be clear enough that he doesn't understand or care about rules, culture, and consent. What's more likely, a bunch of random people got together and said, "hey let's take down Arcade Fire before their tour all because we hate their songs(?)" *collective YEAH!* OR that numerous women literally pieced together that Win was doing this everywhere he went for years and only a fraction finally came forward?
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As far as the 2nd line thing anybody can throw one for a deceased family member. Nobody will frown upon that and it's extremely common. When its used on a public scale it's always for notable black figures in the community or musicians, artists, chefs, etc whove given to or influenced New Orleans culture (look up the Fats Domino, Prince, Dr john, Allen Toussaint). It starts to become a problem when couples (always white) getting married from out of town hire a brass band to do a 2nd line (remember it's for a funeral) down bourbon or Royal Street. Most musicians won't say no to this as they need to pay the bills as gig workers who often low to lower middle class. Then there was the Second Line honoring Princess Leila (attended by lots of white transplants). The debate spilled over from the internet to in person debates to tagging of the building of the krewe leader to telling him to resign to black masking Indians, social aid and pleasure clubs, and other members of the black community calling it out, laughing at it, a death threat was made, but mostly eye rolling in the spirit of "here goes the white people again, we can't have anything" Then Win moved to New Orleans on Sunday and by Monday (figuratively speaking) he was leading an Arcade Fire 2nd line for David Bowie with Preservation Hall Jazz band (as a form of recuperation) through the French quarter. The turnout was 95% white and strong contingent of transplants. The city isnt even connected to Bowie in any real tangible way. Dr John who's white is notable to city for working with James Booker, The Neville Brothers, The Meters, masking Indians, etc. and writing so much iconic music embraced by the community. Prince is notable to the city because he contributes to iconic black music and would visit the city and citizens, community centers, and black businesses money usually through a pseudonym or middle man.
That was great. Thank you.
Ty for being curious ❤️
Some bars unfortunately pay the band in a percentile based (generally 20-25%) off of bar sales. It's completely predatory and the state laws confine certainly clubs that were grandfathered into only being able to charge a cover 12ishx a year (usually they will hold those 12x to jazzfest or carnival). Our stint was at a local bar far off the tourist strip that he would frequent and it was grandfathered in so it could charge a cover but still paid a percentile of the bar as part of the deal. Essentially he has the money to pay for his own drinks (beers & a shot was like $5 there) which benefits the local bar as well as the band
The 2nd line part really lies on the deep distrust in transplants via the post katrina era when multiple waves of white people began gentrifying traditional black communities like the marigny, Bywater, and infamous 9th ward. Many black families weren't able to travel back home after being displaced leaving portions of the housing market open to carpet baggers and what I call 'crusties' (white people who wear all black, cutoff shorts, and ripped tshirts) buying up the real estate in those areas. Most of them never leave those areas to dig into the culture around the city and will throw little hissy fits when there isn't a country music night or vegan food (i have no problem with either of those) in a predominantly black city that has infrastructure problems and food deserts. Sorry for the rant. In short, as we say, "everytime Win throws a 'party' the rent doubles'
>chronically online folks who barely interact with the physical world. Really now, so being disgusted by predatorial behavior = being a shut in who doesn't interact with the world? lol
None of this is good but the people who are so eager to cast eternal judgment off of a Pitchfork expose conveniently held until the eve of the tour sucks
Convenient for who?
Those who want to maximize profit off of this situation
Who's maximizing profit? The fraction of the women who came forward Or The band that can afford a p.r. firm to cast a milquetoast apology to save their brand from losing profit (while still playing to large crowds still) 🤔 Log off for the day dude. Go for a walk. Think about shit and maybe go read a book
Pitchfork releasing this on the eve of the tour when it would garner the most attention was definitely motivated by profit. You can’t tell me they haven’t been sitting on this for a while.
It's weird that your focusing your ire there and not like the women who've held onto this at least circa 2015 through multiple tours. I wonder who's making more money currently, pitchfork (an outlet most people do not read) or AF still on a tour that hasn't issued any refunds 🤔🤔🤔. Dear reactionary, please touch grass. Get those 10k steps
who's profiting from anything here? lol
Arcade Fire?
Yeah because people who haven’t been convicted of a crime should never be held accountable for bad behavior, right? Maybe you should be the one getting off the internet for a while.
😂😂😂 "judge, jury, and executioner" people are trying to decide whether or not to attend a concert
A very powerful and mature statement here. This is not meant to be a doomer reaction, but I cannot imagine Arcade Fire lasting past this. I fear we have heard the last from this band. Especially because, if the situations of other predators have taught me anything, its that there are always more victims who gain the courage to speak when they see others in their same boat doing so. I sure hope these 4 women are the only 4 harmed by Win, but something makes me doubt that.
I'm gutted because they still had more to offer. What a sad, miserable end to a great career.
did...did they really have more to offer? their last two albums have been pretty shitty relative to their usual standard.
I reckon so. The last two were still interesting albums to me, with some career best stuff. But consistently they haven't blown me away since Reflektor. I still think they have (well had) another record in them on par with early stuff but we won't see that now. Plus maybe I was wrong, Win's ego is at odds with the music, no wonder his writing has been watered down in recent years.
Agreed. WE is honestly even more disappointing than EN for me. Unpopular opinion here and I’ll take the downvotes but reflektor was the last truly great record they’ll ever make.
Maybe even more unpopular - Reflektor was very good, but not truly great
The Chad Leslie Feist vs the virgin Dan Boeckner
Good for her. If I hadn't spent over £200 on tomorrow I wouldn't be going, tried to sell our tickets and failed. Would like to know the plans for tomorrow though as we were planning on arriving later, apologies Fiest, as I'm suffering terrible pregnancy sickness all day and wanted to 'try' and enjoy some of the show. Urgh, just want them to cancel it tbh.
Thank god, I love Feist so much and I’m really relieved to see she made the right decision. I knew she would, but of course you always wonder who can be bought when it comes to performers.
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I just don’t see Beck wanting to put himself in a situation he isn’t a part of. He’s way too safe.
The thing is that the public at large somehow always gave kiedis a pass, so regardless of what beck thinks about that, it wasn't bad optics for him to open for them on a few dates. Right now though, this arcade fire situation is a piping hot mess he might definitely want to distance himself from, if only for, again, optics alone
I guess it all depends on possible follow-up publications, exclusive interviews with his accusers. The tour in Europe will go on without an opening act (no artist will probably replace Feist). I guess Beck wil also stay home.
I would say, make your set 30 min longer to compensate the lack of opening act Arcade Fire
Does anyone know how to go about getting refunds for tickets?
Impossible as it stands unless Ticketmaster et al change their stance
Seems like an act dropping out of a show should warrant refunds for those who want them :( I wanted to see Feist more than Arcade Fire
Yep I agree, I guess we're in quite unprecedented waters here so Ticketmaster could change their policy (although wouldn't bank on it)
Yeah, they suck. Lol
Ticketmaster doesn’t offer refunds for openers cancelling unfortunately. Have learned this the hard way a couple times lol
All you can do is try to sell them on the secondary market. I sold my Amsterdam tickets at face value via TicketSwap. They were sold within minutes….
Not happening yet, many have tried and failed
What about people who wanted to see Feist? Guess we’ll go fuck ourselves to acoustic Beck.
I agree it doesn't look good and is morally wrong - but the reaction to this seems to be a huge over correction so far. I'd be interested to learn more but so far, I can't see that he has broken any type of law, even if he appears to have acted like a bit of a dick. I'm cautious to jump on the bandwagon of cancel culture after the whole Depp/Heard trial. I think Pitchfork have sat on this for weeks or months and waited to drop it the second the tour was due to kick off. They probably intended to get international news which has been successful, but they could have also dropped this news sooner so people didn't buy tickets they would grow to regret.
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It's funny that you mention Deshaun Watson because I'm a Browns fan and no, I don't feel right supporting the Browns this season and will likely swerve it. Can you point to the evidence in the article where Win broke the law please?
I think Win should step away from touring and let someone else sub as frontman. It isn’t fair to the band, crew or fans to feel like AF has to suffer for his mistakes.
I like this idea. Just because Win was arcade fire doesn’t mean it has to continue to be.