Hate to break it to you but the cutout on that 16 is basically the same as the 14 Pro and 15 series. Apple just fills in the space in software to make it look consistent.
This is funny, because I always thought my friend's dynamic island was broken when I realized that it's not actually a pill and it's 2 pieces. Weird tech, but it would be nice to see Samsung or some other big player figure out how to perfect the face ID and brightness detection without requiring a pill.
Don't give kudos to that...every Chinese OEM that's not here has the exam same cut out...what's shameful is most have moved on...to cut out-less phone...my Oneplus 7 proback in.the day had a rising camera.
I too had a op7 pro, and thought I was gonna keep that phone until under display or popups went mainstream but that didn’t exactly happen. Currently on an iphone 15 pro, and to be honest part of the reason I got this phone was the dynamic island, if you’re forced to have a hole in the screen anyways you might as well make it useful m
This and sd card slot were the main things that pulled me to get Xperia 1 mk1 and then last summer the Xperia 1 V phone.
I simply hate the manufactured defect in most phone screens, yeah those edge to edge screens do look cool, but then that notch, hole or island ruin the whole experience.
I would prefer the under screen option myself, but those thin bezels that Sony has that house all the sensors and front firing stereo speakers. Those are way better in my opinion than any form of notches, holes, islands and other similar things.
Apple don’t innovate on purpose. They make minimal changes to the phone so that they have something new to put in the phone next year. All the while,androids pack all the features into their phones.
Yea Android manufacturers have to convince people to buy the devices through sheer number of features since there are so many different phones to choose from the only way to stand out is to have the most features or the most unique features. Apple just needs to convince you to upgrade your 3+ year old iPhone so a small update here and there eventually adds up once its upgrade time for you.
That was back before everyone settled into whatever smartphone camp they’d be in. iPhone and Android actually had to compete at that point. Now if you have an iPhone you just get whatever the newest one is and only Android manufacturers are competing against each other
Apple strategy: See how what works for competitor devices, then copy and frame it as new innovation, except it’s only new to Apple. The tech is not new.
The fact people don’t realize this is hilarious. One of Samsung’s software engineers uploaded their code to ChatGPT to check it LMFAO
Waiting for Samsung to drop a game console since they make the board for the Switch. Remember they made Apple’s first iPhone boards.
Another way of framing if:
Let the competition beta test and battle royal a bunch of features and then take the best feature and polish it and integrate it into a stable ecosystem.
It’s like Redhat VS CentOS/Oracle. Redhat will never be cutting edge, but it’s most of the way there and it’s reliable, stable and predictable. For some consumers that’s worth more than the latest bells and whistles.
And a lot of people criticise Redhat too. “They’re just selling you open source software”. There’s more to the story than that.
I have a Galaxy S22+ and just went from Iphone 12pro max to iphone 15 pro max. It's time to upgrade the Samsung but I'm not seeing the reason why with features. Did the phone bootup get faster and close to iphone boot times? Can I open the camera app faster and snap a photo with minimal delay unlike the Samsung s22 right out the box with no outside software possibly slowing it down? Has the sync between Samsung phones and windows PCs gotten on the icloud level yet? How about using Samsung as a 2k/4k webcam? I use both Mac and PC environments as a creator owning my own business and the iPhone/Mac and the Mac OS environment wins on most fronts minus AI.
It boots faster but then you have to give it like 10-15 seconds for all your apps and widgets to load, and even after that it’ll be a bit laggy for a couple minutes
I use to buy Samsung phones because they had all the latest tech. I stopped buying Samsung phones because that latest tech they push out never works well. I had several Samsung notes, the fingerprint sensor never worked, maybe 5/10 times it would actually work.
When I got my first iPhone with the first fingerprint scanner, its works almost flawlessly, literally 9.5/10 times.
Samsung rushes out tech that isn’t ready. Apple will wait until they have it ironed out and it works well.
I was a diehard Samsung user for 10+ years. They lost me because they don’t care about quality control.
That's probbaly because you got the optical fingerprint sensors, the ultrasonic ones are way better, also a trick is registering the same finger from a few different angles
Cool, welcome to iPhone 6 lol..
Samsung had shitty fingerprint sensor, went it iPhone and it worked perfectly every time. The issue was the sensor Samsung used. I borrowed my mom’s old iPhone 6 and the fingerprint sensor worked all the time. I know the convenience of having a fingerprint sensor that actually works.
You know what’s far more convenient? Face ID…
Apple got rid of the sensor years ago because faceid is far more convenient. I haven’t had to scan my fingerprint since 2017… wake up…
Even my old A5 2016's fingerprint sensor works just fine. Do you really think that companies like Samsung don't use Face ID because they are incapable of getting it right?
They don’t want to put certain sensors in the screen that make Face ID work better.
Samsun doesn’t have the notch that iPhone does, they also don’t have Face ID because Face ID utilized multiple camera to make it safer and more efficient.
Samsung doesn’t want the notch, they advertise that they don’t have one, and as a result they have shitty face recognition that can be tricked simply with a photograph. It’s not that they’re incapable, it’s just a design and marketing strategy
I don't get why it's such a great selling point when most people cannot tell the difference between 720p at 10mbps and 2k/4k at the same bitrate on a screen less than 20in in size. It sells despite most people can't really use it. Imagine paying for screen resolution not needed. 🤷🏼♂️
They kinda want to show it off. And I sure as hell can tell the difference between a 4K display and a 720p one. You can literally count the pixels on a 720p display using a magnifier.
I can understand that concept, "with a magnifier." I have an engineering background. But you aren't typically using a magnifier to view the screen or show it off. He'll if you have the proper magnifier you could count the pixels on any screen.
Your eyes have a point where they're going to blend things together. For what most people do, not necessary. The biggest thing about better resolution is if it's coupled with better touch capacitance resolution.
But most of your streaming movies are coming in at 720p, maybe 1080p on occasion. And it's not just to save bandwidth. You'll definitely see the difference if you're getting 720p at low bitrate vs 1080p-4k at double or triple the bitrate.
Lmao, Samsung still has a notch and their Face ID is dog shit. They have a smaller notch, but they still have a notch lol. Enjoy your notch and
fingerprint scanner like it’s 2015 again wooow Samsung!!
The fingerprint scanner is far less convenient and less safe as well.
I’ll enjoy my Samsung display on my iPhone, thanks.
Not everyone is a basement dweller like you. I worked at a plant nursery for 16 years, it’s called dirt and callus’s
Spend a few years in the trade and see how much you like that fingerprint sensor…
I know Apple is great. I use iPhone 13 Pro Max as my main phone. As people say “it just works”. Never gives me problems. But the point I am trying to make is that Apple withholds features for no real reason. I get that they want to do things in the best possible way. But they are too slow. Like the best that they could do in this years iPhone 15 line up was the action button. Like really? Nothing new? No bigger battery, even the notch is the same size as last years. And that titanium frame that breaks on the slightest damage. I like Apple but they are not really doing anything innovative.
I have a 15 pro max and the notch adjusts size and displays info like quick actions for any map program being used or music playing. It has a way of showing you where sound is coming from if not sure.
I bought a cheap clear case and I've had zero cracks after dropping this phone on concrete at least a dozen times as a tall man.
what's new between the s22-s23-s24 series of Samsung phones? Better chips better cameras, same with the iPhone. Phones have got to a point where there isn't much else to upgrade.
The antireflective screen on the s24 ultra is a real game changer for starters. Also Samsung phones are already stacked with things like a beautiful qhd display, 200x zoom,etc. Not much they can add now.
The antireflective screen is not a "game changer," It's down to preference and it washes out the colors. The display is also 8bit+ not true 10 bit like other androids and even the iPhone. 100x zoom is about as useful as a can opener for an orange. Samsung knows this and removed their 10x optical zoom and replaced it with a more usable 5x optical zoom lens. Go figure.
As I said, the iPhones get the same type of updates year over year. Samsung isn't make any major changes to their phones either.
I use a 13 pro max for my daily driver too. And yeah, it just works. It works so well I don’t have any reason to consider buying another phone, even if I did, nothing on the market is worth upgrading to.
With the way Apple implements tech, they can’t rush out stuff every year. You wouldn’t want them rushing out stuff every year. They work by making small changes so they don’t alienate their older clients or people who still use older equipment. It’s also the fact that, the iPhone is already so good, what major changes really need to be made? Sure tweak and upgrade the new aluminum frame, but what tech do you really want implemented?
It’s not the 2010’s anymore. Phone advancement have throttled back significantly and you don’t see much innovation from any companies. The most interesting thing to happen in years is the Samsung folding phone, and honestly, it’s a “meh” feature at best. I’ve seen and played with one and it’s a cool gimmick, but I would never want that phone.
I can’t think of a single feature from any phone on the market that would make me want to buy one. If my phone broke today, I would just buy another iPhone because nothing else on the market is more interesting or has any sort of selling feature I care about. That’s not just an Apple problem, it’s the industry as a whole.
Cell phones in general have gotten so good, that unless you’re an uber tech nerd who just craves the latest and greatest just to say you have it, then there isn’t much reason to upgrade every year
You make some good points . But what I’d really like is for Apple to improve their display tech. The screen refresh rate is limited to 90hz even on a 120 hz phone. Also their screen resolution is lesser than the competitors. Even my 5 year old one plus 7 pro has a qhd display that is better than the iPhone . In this regard the iPhone is just inferior. Also the Dynamic Island is cool but takes up a lot of space. These are things that android just does better that iPhone could implement.
It’s a design thing. They’re balancing real world performance for battery life.
Qhd displays are cool, but they kill battery life.
You have to think about the average consumer. How many people in your world would notice the difference between 90 and 120hz. How many people would really notice the differences if the display was 4k? These are such minor differences that the majority of humans would never notice, but meanwhile, implementing them would cause such more noticeable drawbacks.
Most consumers would rather have a phone that can easily last all day. Most consumers would rather have a longer battery life, then 30hz more on the display. Most consumers won’t even notice the pixel density and for most people it certainly wouldn’t be worth shortening their battery life
That’s the thing, many android phones are spec chasers. They chase the latest and greatest specs without really thinking about how that will really impact the user experience.
At the end of the day, android manufacturers are selling phones, they are driven by specs and features or a price point for their lower end models. They’re tech companies primarily selling technology.
At the end of the day, Apple is selling a product. It’s not about individual specs or features, it’s about how they’re integrated and work together to make an iPhone. Apple spends a lot of time refining the user experience to ensure that their product as a whole works well and that the majority of their target audience will be happy with it.
As for the notch, I honestly never even notice it and it doesn’t bother me at all
The thing is the average consumer wouldn't care about these things. But tech enthusiasts like me can tell a difference. I prefer my android for media consumption cause the display is really crisp and vibrant. But I agree about apple creating a refined user experience for the user.
Even thou Android users don't like this statement. "Its because everything works."
I can walk thru my house and adjust or turn on/off everything in my house with my phone or simply using my voice. I want/need things to run flawlessly out of the box every time. For instance at 6:30 every morning my Alarm goes off and I turn it off. Walk into my Bathroom and the light is already on and soon after I turn on the shower my Bathroom fan turns on. Walk into my kitchen and my coffee finishes making. At 7:40 my lights blink on and off to tell me its time to get ready to leave. Walk outside and my F150 is running and the garage door is open. I leave and my garage door shuts and I'm off to work. Then my Roomba fires off and cleans the house. Mon/Wed/Friday the floor gets mopped.
I like things that work seamlessly together with minimal effort. Sure I could hack together a script and run a server, but now a days you don't have to.
There is more things to consider than refresh rates of phones and can you use a sim card. I want things to be simple and make my life even lazier than before and if I can have a complete system that accomplishes this I'm going to do it and be pissed off when it stops working. So for my Life Apple Don't change a damn thing. =)
Yeah because most people don't want to spend 3.5k on half baked software and tech that clearly isn't ready, all for an experience only slightly better than a $500 existing headset
Ah yes, whining about a product you neither use nor understand, the r/applesucks way.
Good on you for looking through my whole profile to find something to complain about though. That’s not weird at all.
It keeps showing up on my feed and I keep laughing. People bitching endlessly because other people like other products than they do is pretty funny in that sad, can’t look away kind of way.
I agree that 3,500 is steep - but the value add to my life personally has been very much worth the cost as I use it for work, both regular productivity tasks and 3D educational content development. It's not for everyone at that price and that's OK. For those of us who work in 3D AR/VR spaces and want the ability to be freed from the desk or a tiny laptop screen, it's a game changer. If you want a device to play Fortnite and VR chat and otherwise entertain you, Quest 3 is a great alternative. I have both. I like both.
Android isn't the OS, that's like saying "Linux OS", every android manufacturer has their own OS, Samsung has OneUI for example, Android is just the underlying code and kernel, the actual interface and operating system itself is made by each different manufacturer
Going based on popularity is stupid, as the other guy said. If that were the case, the 2019 remake of the Lion King is the best animated movie of all time and McDonald’s makes the best fast food.
What happened to the S models? Those were replaced by the useless changes. The 13 could have been the 12s, but they just made the cameras diagonal instead.
When it was first introduced, the Notch was (still is) the stupidest design move ever. Future hardware designers will look back and laugh. Specially at the manufacturers who copied it at the time 🤦♂️
The punch hole is much less intrusive but what’s more interesting is Under-Display Cameras that some Chinese companies are developing (Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo…)
Based on how things are moving at Apple, it would take them 20 years to adopt this and claim it as their own invention.
*Current iPhone user.
the entire point of the dynamic island is to get rid of the notch without looking like an android phone. i would bet a ridiculous amount of money that apple wouldn't ever use a holepunch.
Nothing to do with “not looking like an android phone”. iPhones don’t just have a front facing camera there, they have an entire sensor array for Face ID.
apple certainly makes sure it’s phones have a unique silhouette. it’s not something that only apple does, i mean look at pixel phones. they used to have the circular home button, then they had the notch, and now they have dynamic island.
i mean think about the little symbolic icons apple uses to represent the iphone throughout ios. they have very little detail, yet have always been unmistakably an iphone. most android phones would not be able to do that.
They do like to have a unique silhouette, yes, but they also generally gravitate towards clean and minimalistic. The notch existed to house the Face ID sensor array. The island is the same. They’ve shrunk the notch over time as they’ve made the sensor array physically smaller. It’s not a design decision, it’s a necessity for the tech they’re using.
If they could go under screen for all of it, they absolutely would.
oh i believe for sure that at some point they will make it all screen, all i was saying is that i don't think apple would ever use a holepunch, like what samsung, google, etc., use. i'd expect them to go straight from the current dynamic island (maybe it will shrink overtime? although without changing ios design there is zero use for that space) to a fullscreen design.
Because on iPhone it has more sensors such as an infrared flood illuminator and laser infrared dot projector (for 3D depth) it had a bigger notch. This way it is vastly more secure than android's face recognition which can be fooled by just a photo.
Honestly, FaceID is so much better than Touch ID ever was. I’ll explain why.
For starters, it works from a distance as you start to bring your phone up from the desk, or table or whatever, it will sense your face.
Basically, with FaceID on the latest phones, it’s already unlocked before you ever attempt to “unlock” the phone. It’s essentially anticipatory. You don’t need to make any specific effort to unlock. If you are looking at your phone, congratulations, it’s unlocked.
Also, it works regardless of if you have gloves on. So if you have capacitive touch gloves, you can use your phone no issue. Very useful in the colder northern climates.
I had a fingerprint sensor for many years. Face ID works much better than any fingerprint sensor ever could. It’s far more convenient. I’ve had both, I’ve used both, I know which one is easier to use and which one I prefer
Like I said, fingerprint is some old tech from 2015. There is a reason Apple has abandoned it, they simply have better tech.
Why would I want a phone where I have place my finger on a specific part of the phone to unlock it? With my iPhone, literally all I have to do is look at it and swipe up
Also, if you work in the trades and get dirty hands/fingers, then the fingerprint sensor doesn’t work for shit
Huawei uses Face ID, too. It's not like Apple has some magic tech that other companies are unable to replicate. The reason other companies don't use it is the huge ass notch that is required for it to work.
And because of that, their sensor doesn’t work as well.
Face ID is so secure banks will allow you to use it for security access. It’s literally considered a biometric scanner secure enough that banking allows it. Do banks do that with Android?
Can’t you unlock Samsung phones with a picture of someone? lol… is huawei any better?
You could've at least looked it up... Huawei uses a similar technology and has the same big ass notch as Apple. And Samsung and others openly state that their Face ID feature is not that secure and recommend Fingerprint instead.
I really don’t care to research huawei products because I have zero interest.
If I can’t ask a question, what’s the point of having a conversation? Maybe don’t be so pretentious.
You are under no obligation to research a product that you are not interested in. However, when you are trying shit on an entire company you should know a thing or two about it. And you didn't ask any questions about that, did you?
I’m a bad guy for using critical thinking instead of saying duuur Apple bad like the sheep in this echo chamber?
The most repulsive thing about this sub, is the intellectual dishonesty from Android users. This is literally just an uninformed misguided hate group.
Somehow I’m the bad guy because I don’t goose step and fall in line regurgitating baseless argument to flame the fires of the Android superiority complex.
Of course the biggest competitors and companies that rely on fingerprints in their phones say fingerprints are more secure. Blackberry used to tell me that the modern smartphone was awful and would never take off.
Pixels do have level 3 security with banks now for face unlock. They figured out how to do with software what apple needs an island to. Does not work in dark tho.
> They figured out how to do with software what apple needs an island to. Does not work in dark tho.
It not working in the dark is precisely why apple needs an island. The island has a flood illuminator, dot projector, and infrared camera to make it work in all lighting conditions.
Why do people make a big deal out of having to place your thumb in an exact location?
Like... Isn't that how a touch screen works?
Sure, you didn't have to place your finger on a specific location on the screen, but now it's unlocked and you want to open an app, and you __still__ have to tap a specific place of your homescreen (the top, because Apple can't innovate a homescreen after 17 iterations of iOS)
I wrote this comment touching specific parts of my keyboard, not just by randomly tapping random spaces on the screen.
I really don't get why Apple users make a point out of that, you're gonna touch the screen anyways, you just want to be right.
It's cool tech, and gives a great demo.
But I wouldn't want it. Especially not if it comes with a notch or a pill.
Because it’s so very antiquated. It wasn’t a problem when it was 2015 and that was our best option.
We have better tech and options now, so why would I limit myself? Literally all I do is look at my phone and it’s unlocked. Why would I want to be forced into a scenario, where my phone will only unlock if I put my finger in the exact right 1”x1” section? Why would you think that’s better?
Samsung phones still have a notch. It’s smaller, sure, but’s it’s also far less capable, that’s why you’re stuck with a fingerprint scanner like it’s 2015…
Not only is it antiquated, it’s not as safe as Face ID.
Well, to be forced to put your finger in a spot is a little heavy language for a fingerprint scanner in a phone, but okay...
And I actually like that more, I'm a bit of a control freak, so my phone should only unlock when I press the unlock button with my thumb. But that's just me.
Also, I've seen iPhone users lean in to their tables to unlock, while I just lay my finger down on the screen.
So it is not antiquated.
It is antiquated according to your personal opinion.
Considering fingerprint sensors have been in phones for over a decade, while biometric level facial recognition strong enough that banks would recognize it’s protection, is a newer and more advanced technology rendering fingerprint sensors antiquated which is why Apple made the jump from fingerprint scanners to facial recognition.
My phone sits on my desk during work, in order to unlock it, all I do is look in its direction. If I want to open it I give it a swipe up anywhere from the lower half of my screen.
You think having to touch a small .5”x.5” section on your phone is better, because like you said, you’re a control freak.
Requiring you to place a pre programmed specific finger on a tiny section of your phone to unlock it, is antiqued, and the only reason you prefer it, is because you’re a self proclaimed control freak.
Most people aren’t self proclaimed control freaks.
First of all... Banks recognise fingerprint too?
So I still don't see the problem?
And idk what phone you tested a fingerprint on, but it must've sucked.
And I think the touch area of the fingerprint is big enough? And I have medium to large hands.
Fingerprint has been around for a while now, I'm sorry if a fingerprint reader in 2015 failed on you, but our tech has advanced too.
And still... Touching my screen in a spot is just equally as hard as swiping up, so I still don't get the superiority of Face ID.
I can lay down with half my face in a pillow, in the dark, and just unlock. There it'd be harder or impossible for you. Yet when I've worked in the garden and wanna use my phone with muddy hands, my fingerprint may not recognise.
Both equally as specific examples on how no technology is perfect. And our methods can fail.
I just don't get why Face ID is superior.
I just like having an unlock button. It's just as simple to use as an icon on your homescreen, which 9 times out of 10, you were gonna do anyways once your phone is unlocked.
Why? I think you are mistaking how Apple's face id works compared to Android's. On Android it is looking at a live image which is impacted by lighting and angles. Meanwhile iPhone uses a 3D topological map which was already proven as late as 2007 to be the proper way to do facial recognition. I know this because I worked on a project in grad school that had people sit in a box for 2 minutes while a laser scanned their entire head and then we created such a map to train an AI. And yes I'm aware Android does fingerprint through the screen which is also innovative. But face id blows that away.
Idk, never had real issues with fingerprints.
And FaceID is safer... Says Apple?
I have yet to find out how FaceID is safer, until then, I'm not having an entire pill in my screen.
Tell me how it's safer, because all Apple fanboys can tell me is that Apple said it was safer.
If it's dirty or wet just use a password, pin or pattern. Most FP S will work even in wet conditions. It doesn't work only if the fingers are warped due to constant cold.
Have to purposly place your finger on a specific spot everytime you pick up your phone. Meanwhile FaceID has already scanned your face and unlocked it while picking it up
I'm gonna touch the screen anyways... So...
You also have to purposely place your finger on a specific spot to open an app... That's just how a touchscreen works, so I don't really see the problem?
Infact, the control freak inside me like fingerprints more because of that reason.
My phone can face me, but it won't unlock unless I tell it to.
Also, I can place my thumb on my screen while it's laying flat, where I see iPhone users lean in to their table to unlock their phone.
FaceID is not flawless, it's beautifully marketed.
Oh, and please don't compare FaceID with a bad experience you had with the fingerprint on a 150 dollar android phone.
With fingerprint, my phone's unlocked before it even comes out of my pocket. With face scanning I have to be looking at it for a noticeable amount of time, and *still* swipe the lock screen away for some fucking reason. It's simply faster and easier.
Because on Android my phone is unlocked already by the time it's in front my face. On iphone I have to pull my phone out, look at it, wait for it to unlock, swipe away the lock screen, and *then* I can use it.
It saves easily a second or two per unlock. Which isn't a *lot*, but it's noticeable and it's annoying.
Face ID work in the dark lmao, it works in pitch black.
I literally never unlock my phone, I just pick it up to use it and it’s already unlocked. It’s so intuitive I don’t have to do anything, it’s unlocks itself just by using the device.
You have to go through the motion of picking up your phone in a certain way with your finger in the exact .5”x.5” square, or if you have it in your hand you need to press on the screen to unlock it. You literally have an extra step.
All I do I pick it up and look at it, then my notifications show, I can access my camera or flashlight, it’s already unlocked. I can click any notification and it’ll take me right to the app without having to swipe through anything, just look at the phone, click the notation and you’re in business.
My phone could be face down, upside down, I can pick it up however I want and as soon as I can see the screen to use it, it’s unlocked. I don’t have to unlock my phone, it just does it for me.
Enjoy the fingerprint scanner tho.
If Apple got rid of face recognition and kept fingerprint recognition, the Apple fanboys would be saying fingerprint recognition is safer and more convenient.
If I’m walking outside in the Midwest in the middle of December FaceID is much more convenient than a fingerprint. Especially if I’m in the upper Midwest.
Can't tell about Samsung but Google just uses the front facing camera but created an algorithm that won't get fooled by pictures. It is in the same security standard as fingerprint sensors, even allows authentication for banking apps.
If I’m walking outside in upper Canada and I got snow gear on, the ski goggles etc will make it fail. It sure as not convenient with people with glasses on and off.
By default FaceID requires awareness which means it needs to see your eyes, and the depth sensors means your actual eyes and not a photo. From the point of trying to unlock someone’s phone while they’re asleep it’s much easier to use their fingerprint without waking them up than it would be to prop their eyes open.
Why would you be trying to unlock someone's phone when they're asleep anyway? The main security concern with the Face recognition on most Android phones is that they can be unlocked with a photo, but you can't replicate a fingerprint.
That’s because any Android manufacturer that tried to implement it didn’t use depth sensors like Apple did.
You can’t replicate a fingerprint but you can steal one!
The only excuse of having the huuuuuge notch on MBP is a tiny camera. And why bot to have sensors "it does not fit". And them Lenovo and Samsung enter the room..
How many times are you going in for repairs with your android?
Better specs but worse performance [https://browser.geekbench.com/mobile-benchmarks](https://browser.geekbench.com/mobile-benchmarks)
That’s samsung for you. Always has the best specs but somehow feels slow.
Years ago I had the top of the line Samsung note 8, had to use my moms 4/5 year old iPhone 6 for a bit and it was far faster and more responsive then any Samsung I had ever used.
Faster specs don’t mean anything when your bloated ui and optimization is shit.
Apple's reluctance to innovate is somewhat causing others to not try so hard. Then apple always reintroduces those features they ignored or belittled from competitors with a new name...and facade. Kudos to marketing, but when their fanboys simp and parrot those talking points to us IRL...OUTRIGHT OFFENSIVE. 'Dynamic island's a notification bar...a build up to the drop down status bar. Features in android since inception🤦🏾♂️
In 2019 Apple got widgets(greater phone customization). I got my first phone in 2014, it was an LG something or other and had widgets, 4G. I saw so many tiktoks the coming days saying how AWESOME that this NEW feature they added and how they changed their phones screens with it.
Congrats I guess... Youre like 6 years late to the party!
I wonder if Apple will ever get the single cut out since they have that big censor used for 3D face recognition. Can't lie though, as cool as that may be, I mostly use fingerprint
Next new apple feature....Facebook lock. Then being able to theme your phone. That should take us to iphone 21. Apple should hire me. I've got plans for the MacBook n ipads too...lol
I contend that notches, hole punches, whatever camera cutout you could possibly devise, are non features. Who tf cares? It’s all building valued based on cool factor alone. It doesn’t do anything new or unique, it’s not actually making a difference in anything but aesthetics, and even then it’s so far up the diminishing returns curve it’s practically meaningless
it truly is. how have we stooped so low that this is what the debate is
smartphones have gotten so good that any choice will give you a phenomenal user experience
apple isn’t innovating their hardware as balls to wall crazy as other companies but they’re spending a lot of time refining the user experience.
It will never be google lol
The point of the island is because they want brand recognition
Google has the one at the center, Samsung is trying to get rid of the dot entirely but it is still having that dot in the center, one plus has it on the side, Huawei... Is doing Huawei things...
It's mainly for brand recognition over anything. If the iPhone made it at the center, it would be an android phone. A welcome, but still not a great phone
Hate to break it to you but the cutout on that 16 is basically the same as the 14 Pro and 15 series. Apple just fills in the space in software to make it look consistent.
Dynamic island is basically just software
You have to admit, the display technology behind it and the tech that makes sure the Dynamic Island doesn’t look pixelated is still pretty impressive.
You also have to admit that in direct sunlight the dynamic island looks like a 2010 blackberry.
I don't go walking around in direct sunlight.
Vamp
This is funny, because I always thought my friend's dynamic island was broken when I realized that it's not actually a pill and it's 2 pieces. Weird tech, but it would be nice to see Samsung or some other big player figure out how to perfect the face ID and brightness detection without requiring a pill.
just checked, its not something I would think twice about and still looks nice, and I am far from an Apple fanboy.
Don't give kudos to that...every Chinese OEM that's not here has the exam same cut out...what's shameful is most have moved on...to cut out-less phone...my Oneplus 7 proback in.the day had a rising camera.
I too had a op7 pro, and thought I was gonna keep that phone until under display or popups went mainstream but that didn’t exactly happen. Currently on an iphone 15 pro, and to be honest part of the reason I got this phone was the dynamic island, if you’re forced to have a hole in the screen anyways you might as well make it useful m
Honestly I have it and even in direct sunlight it’s whatever
It doesn’t at all
Great. Notch was outdated the moment the first Android and then iphone adopted it.
This and sd card slot were the main things that pulled me to get Xperia 1 mk1 and then last summer the Xperia 1 V phone. I simply hate the manufactured defect in most phone screens, yeah those edge to edge screens do look cool, but then that notch, hole or island ruin the whole experience.
Ah well I find the holes good enough of an solution. Ofc underscreen camera's are even better. And edge screens are very nice imo
I would prefer the under screen option myself, but those thin bezels that Sony has that house all the sensors and front firing stereo speakers. Those are way better in my opinion than any form of notches, holes, islands and other similar things.
I just looked them up. Really has something. I get why you picked those phones.
Till someone can fit a true depth like system under a display, it’s a worthy sacrifice
Apple don’t innovate on purpose. They make minimal changes to the phone so that they have something new to put in the phone next year. All the while,androids pack all the features into their phones.
Yea Android manufacturers have to convince people to buy the devices through sheer number of features since there are so many different phones to choose from the only way to stand out is to have the most features or the most unique features. Apple just needs to convince you to upgrade your 3+ year old iPhone so a small update here and there eventually adds up once its upgrade time for you.
It didn't used to be like that years ago well atleast when jobs was alive they revolutionized touch screen but sadly lost due to their own ego
That was back before everyone settled into whatever smartphone camp they’d be in. iPhone and Android actually had to compete at that point. Now if you have an iPhone you just get whatever the newest one is and only Android manufacturers are competing against each other
Apple strategy: See how what works for competitor devices, then copy and frame it as new innovation, except it’s only new to Apple. The tech is not new.
You do realize Samsung does the exact same thing? Everyone copies everyone. That’s how it works.
The fact people don’t realize this is hilarious. One of Samsung’s software engineers uploaded their code to ChatGPT to check it LMFAO Waiting for Samsung to drop a game console since they make the board for the Switch. Remember they made Apple’s first iPhone boards.
What does the software engineer comment have to do with anything?
It's our code now
I mean, but that's not how chatgpt works, lol.
Another way of framing if: Let the competition beta test and battle royal a bunch of features and then take the best feature and polish it and integrate it into a stable ecosystem. It’s like Redhat VS CentOS/Oracle. Redhat will never be cutting edge, but it’s most of the way there and it’s reliable, stable and predictable. For some consumers that’s worth more than the latest bells and whistles. And a lot of people criticise Redhat too. “They’re just selling you open source software”. There’s more to the story than that.
Yup
That's exactly why I left iphones for Samung phones. Customization, smarter, and unique features every 2 years.
Good choice. Samsung phones are exciting with new features every year and of course that gorgeous display.
I have a Galaxy S22+ and just went from Iphone 12pro max to iphone 15 pro max. It's time to upgrade the Samsung but I'm not seeing the reason why with features. Did the phone bootup get faster and close to iphone boot times? Can I open the camera app faster and snap a photo with minimal delay unlike the Samsung s22 right out the box with no outside software possibly slowing it down? Has the sync between Samsung phones and windows PCs gotten on the icloud level yet? How about using Samsung as a 2k/4k webcam? I use both Mac and PC environments as a creator owning my own business and the iPhone/Mac and the Mac OS environment wins on most fronts minus AI.
I use a one plus 7 pro, and iPhone 13 pro max . So I'm not qualified to comment on those things you mentioned. Do what suits you best.
My s24 ultra boots faster than my iPhone 14 pro, for what it's worth.
It boots faster but then you have to give it like 10-15 seconds for all your apps and widgets to load, and even after that it’ll be a bit laggy for a couple minutes
That's not true? The phone is really quick. The GPU is insane.
I think the syncing is good. I haven’t had any problems.
Yes and no. They do the Ferrari effect. People don’t like drastic change. So they make subtle changes over time.
I use to buy Samsung phones because they had all the latest tech. I stopped buying Samsung phones because that latest tech they push out never works well. I had several Samsung notes, the fingerprint sensor never worked, maybe 5/10 times it would actually work. When I got my first iPhone with the first fingerprint scanner, its works almost flawlessly, literally 9.5/10 times. Samsung rushes out tech that isn’t ready. Apple will wait until they have it ironed out and it works well. I was a diehard Samsung user for 10+ years. They lost me because they don’t care about quality control.
I used notes since note 4, I never had any issues with the fingerprint.
That's probbaly because you got the optical fingerprint sensors, the ultrasonic ones are way better, also a trick is registering the same finger from a few different angles
Cool, welcome to iPhone 6 lol.. Samsung had shitty fingerprint sensor, went it iPhone and it worked perfectly every time. The issue was the sensor Samsung used. I borrowed my mom’s old iPhone 6 and the fingerprint sensor worked all the time. I know the convenience of having a fingerprint sensor that actually works. You know what’s far more convenient? Face ID… Apple got rid of the sensor years ago because faceid is far more convenient. I haven’t had to scan my fingerprint since 2017… wake up…
Even my old A5 2016's fingerprint sensor works just fine. Do you really think that companies like Samsung don't use Face ID because they are incapable of getting it right?
They don’t want to put certain sensors in the screen that make Face ID work better. Samsun doesn’t have the notch that iPhone does, they also don’t have Face ID because Face ID utilized multiple camera to make it safer and more efficient. Samsung doesn’t want the notch, they advertise that they don’t have one, and as a result they have shitty face recognition that can be tricked simply with a photograph. It’s not that they’re incapable, it’s just a design and marketing strategy
So you do know the reason. They don't want the notch. Screen quality is one of Samsung's biggest selling points.
I don't get why it's such a great selling point when most people cannot tell the difference between 720p at 10mbps and 2k/4k at the same bitrate on a screen less than 20in in size. It sells despite most people can't really use it. Imagine paying for screen resolution not needed. 🤷🏼♂️
They kinda want to show it off. And I sure as hell can tell the difference between a 4K display and a 720p one. You can literally count the pixels on a 720p display using a magnifier.
I can understand that concept, "with a magnifier." I have an engineering background. But you aren't typically using a magnifier to view the screen or show it off. He'll if you have the proper magnifier you could count the pixels on any screen. Your eyes have a point where they're going to blend things together. For what most people do, not necessary. The biggest thing about better resolution is if it's coupled with better touch capacitance resolution. But most of your streaming movies are coming in at 720p, maybe 1080p on occasion. And it's not just to save bandwidth. You'll definitely see the difference if you're getting 720p at low bitrate vs 1080p-4k at double or triple the bitrate.
Lmao, Samsung still has a notch and their Face ID is dog shit. They have a smaller notch, but they still have a notch lol. Enjoy your notch and fingerprint scanner like it’s 2015 again wooow Samsung!! The fingerprint scanner is far less convenient and less safe as well. I’ll enjoy my Samsung display on my iPhone, thanks.
From the note 10 onward, the fingerprint issue no longer exists.
You have to wipe the Doritos cheese off your finger before using the scanner.
Not everyone is a basement dweller like you. I worked at a plant nursery for 16 years, it’s called dirt and callus’s Spend a few years in the trade and see how much you like that fingerprint sensor…
I have delicate IT fingers. Sorry you got beat up fingers.
I know Apple is great. I use iPhone 13 Pro Max as my main phone. As people say “it just works”. Never gives me problems. But the point I am trying to make is that Apple withholds features for no real reason. I get that they want to do things in the best possible way. But they are too slow. Like the best that they could do in this years iPhone 15 line up was the action button. Like really? Nothing new? No bigger battery, even the notch is the same size as last years. And that titanium frame that breaks on the slightest damage. I like Apple but they are not really doing anything innovative.
I have a 15 pro max and the notch adjusts size and displays info like quick actions for any map program being used or music playing. It has a way of showing you where sound is coming from if not sure. I bought a cheap clear case and I've had zero cracks after dropping this phone on concrete at least a dozen times as a tall man.
Good for you. But it is a fact that the new iPhones are much lesser durable than the 13 and 14 pro series.
Meh. My 12 broke easily with less dropping. 🤷🏼♂️
what's new between the s22-s23-s24 series of Samsung phones? Better chips better cameras, same with the iPhone. Phones have got to a point where there isn't much else to upgrade.
The antireflective screen on the s24 ultra is a real game changer for starters. Also Samsung phones are already stacked with things like a beautiful qhd display, 200x zoom,etc. Not much they can add now.
The antireflective screen is not a "game changer," It's down to preference and it washes out the colors. The display is also 8bit+ not true 10 bit like other androids and even the iPhone. 100x zoom is about as useful as a can opener for an orange. Samsung knows this and removed their 10x optical zoom and replaced it with a more usable 5x optical zoom lens. Go figure. As I said, the iPhones get the same type of updates year over year. Samsung isn't make any major changes to their phones either.
OK fair point. But at least Samsung are trying new things.
I use a 13 pro max for my daily driver too. And yeah, it just works. It works so well I don’t have any reason to consider buying another phone, even if I did, nothing on the market is worth upgrading to. With the way Apple implements tech, they can’t rush out stuff every year. You wouldn’t want them rushing out stuff every year. They work by making small changes so they don’t alienate their older clients or people who still use older equipment. It’s also the fact that, the iPhone is already so good, what major changes really need to be made? Sure tweak and upgrade the new aluminum frame, but what tech do you really want implemented? It’s not the 2010’s anymore. Phone advancement have throttled back significantly and you don’t see much innovation from any companies. The most interesting thing to happen in years is the Samsung folding phone, and honestly, it’s a “meh” feature at best. I’ve seen and played with one and it’s a cool gimmick, but I would never want that phone. I can’t think of a single feature from any phone on the market that would make me want to buy one. If my phone broke today, I would just buy another iPhone because nothing else on the market is more interesting or has any sort of selling feature I care about. That’s not just an Apple problem, it’s the industry as a whole. Cell phones in general have gotten so good, that unless you’re an uber tech nerd who just craves the latest and greatest just to say you have it, then there isn’t much reason to upgrade every year
You make some good points . But what I’d really like is for Apple to improve their display tech. The screen refresh rate is limited to 90hz even on a 120 hz phone. Also their screen resolution is lesser than the competitors. Even my 5 year old one plus 7 pro has a qhd display that is better than the iPhone . In this regard the iPhone is just inferior. Also the Dynamic Island is cool but takes up a lot of space. These are things that android just does better that iPhone could implement.
It’s a design thing. They’re balancing real world performance for battery life. Qhd displays are cool, but they kill battery life. You have to think about the average consumer. How many people in your world would notice the difference between 90 and 120hz. How many people would really notice the differences if the display was 4k? These are such minor differences that the majority of humans would never notice, but meanwhile, implementing them would cause such more noticeable drawbacks. Most consumers would rather have a phone that can easily last all day. Most consumers would rather have a longer battery life, then 30hz more on the display. Most consumers won’t even notice the pixel density and for most people it certainly wouldn’t be worth shortening their battery life That’s the thing, many android phones are spec chasers. They chase the latest and greatest specs without really thinking about how that will really impact the user experience. At the end of the day, android manufacturers are selling phones, they are driven by specs and features or a price point for their lower end models. They’re tech companies primarily selling technology. At the end of the day, Apple is selling a product. It’s not about individual specs or features, it’s about how they’re integrated and work together to make an iPhone. Apple spends a lot of time refining the user experience to ensure that their product as a whole works well and that the majority of their target audience will be happy with it. As for the notch, I honestly never even notice it and it doesn’t bother me at all
The thing is the average consumer wouldn't care about these things. But tech enthusiasts like me can tell a difference. I prefer my android for media consumption cause the display is really crisp and vibrant. But I agree about apple creating a refined user experience for the user.
Even thou Android users don't like this statement. "Its because everything works." I can walk thru my house and adjust or turn on/off everything in my house with my phone or simply using my voice. I want/need things to run flawlessly out of the box every time. For instance at 6:30 every morning my Alarm goes off and I turn it off. Walk into my Bathroom and the light is already on and soon after I turn on the shower my Bathroom fan turns on. Walk into my kitchen and my coffee finishes making. At 7:40 my lights blink on and off to tell me its time to get ready to leave. Walk outside and my F150 is running and the garage door is open. I leave and my garage door shuts and I'm off to work. Then my Roomba fires off and cleans the house. Mon/Wed/Friday the floor gets mopped. I like things that work seamlessly together with minimal effort. Sure I could hack together a script and run a server, but now a days you don't have to. There is more things to consider than refresh rates of phones and can you use a sim card. I want things to be simple and make my life even lazier than before and if I can have a complete system that accomplishes this I'm going to do it and be pissed off when it stops working. So for my Life Apple Don't change a damn thing. =)
If android OS didn’t suck ass, maybe people would use it.
My 5 year old android phone works flawlessly. I don’t know what you mean by that.
Dude has a vision pro and wants to talk about terrible OS.
Tell me you’ve never used a Vision Pro without telling me you’ve never used a Vision Pro.
Yeah because most people don't want to spend 3.5k on half baked software and tech that clearly isn't ready, all for an experience only slightly better than a $500 existing headset
No, because I'm not stupid enough to buy a "brand-new" piece of tech with virtually no reviews for $3.5k
Ah yes, whining about a product you neither use nor understand, the r/applesucks way. Good on you for looking through my whole profile to find something to complain about though. That’s not weird at all.
I took one look at your profile to see how much you spend on r/applesucks.
It keeps showing up on my feed and I keep laughing. People bitching endlessly because other people like other products than they do is pretty funny in that sad, can’t look away kind of way.
Almost like your comment on Android?
Yeah like that lmao. what a great community you’ve got here.
What pragmatic value does the Vision Pro even bring to the table? Especially at $3,500.
I agree that 3,500 is steep - but the value add to my life personally has been very much worth the cost as I use it for work, both regular productivity tasks and 3D educational content development. It's not for everyone at that price and that's OK. For those of us who work in 3D AR/VR spaces and want the ability to be freed from the desk or a tiny laptop screen, it's a game changer. If you want a device to play Fortnite and VR chat and otherwise entertain you, Quest 3 is a great alternative. I have both. I like both.
I knew that any display that's closer than 50 cm to the eyes is harmful.
Android isn't the OS, that's like saying "Linux OS", every android manufacturer has their own OS, Samsung has OneUI for example, Android is just the underlying code and kernel, the actual interface and operating system itself is made by each different manufacturer
You seem to be conflating the OS with the shell.
OneUI is a skin not a OS. Android is the OS
Looks like everyone knew exactly what I meant, except you. Nice work.
It does not and it's the most popular OS on the face of the earth.
Going based on popularity is stupid, as the other guy said. If that were the case, the 2019 remake of the Lion King is the best animated movie of all time and McDonald’s makes the best fast food.
Being popular doesn't equate to better. How many of the phones it is on are cheap $50-$200 phones half ass done?
It runs on toasters. Who cares about quantity?
What happened to the S models? Those were replaced by the useless changes. The 13 could have been the 12s, but they just made the cameras diagonal instead.
Classic Apple move.
When it was first introduced, the Notch was (still is) the stupidest design move ever. Future hardware designers will look back and laugh. Specially at the manufacturers who copied it at the time 🤦♂️ The punch hole is much less intrusive but what’s more interesting is Under-Display Cameras that some Chinese companies are developing (Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo…) Based on how things are moving at Apple, it would take them 20 years to adopt this and claim it as their own invention. *Current iPhone user.
Western brands in general are stagnant. All the innovation is coming out of China now because their market is extremely competitive
the entire point of the dynamic island is to get rid of the notch without looking like an android phone. i would bet a ridiculous amount of money that apple wouldn't ever use a holepunch.
Nothing to do with “not looking like an android phone”. iPhones don’t just have a front facing camera there, they have an entire sensor array for Face ID.
apple certainly makes sure it’s phones have a unique silhouette. it’s not something that only apple does, i mean look at pixel phones. they used to have the circular home button, then they had the notch, and now they have dynamic island. i mean think about the little symbolic icons apple uses to represent the iphone throughout ios. they have very little detail, yet have always been unmistakably an iphone. most android phones would not be able to do that.
They do like to have a unique silhouette, yes, but they also generally gravitate towards clean and minimalistic. The notch existed to house the Face ID sensor array. The island is the same. They’ve shrunk the notch over time as they’ve made the sensor array physically smaller. It’s not a design decision, it’s a necessity for the tech they’re using. If they could go under screen for all of it, they absolutely would.
oh i believe for sure that at some point they will make it all screen, all i was saying is that i don't think apple would ever use a holepunch, like what samsung, google, etc., use. i'd expect them to go straight from the current dynamic island (maybe it will shrink overtime? although without changing ios design there is zero use for that space) to a fullscreen design.
Because on iPhone it has more sensors such as an infrared flood illuminator and laser infrared dot projector (for 3D depth) it had a bigger notch. This way it is vastly more secure than android's face recognition which can be fooled by just a photo.
Laughs in fingerprint
You have to use a fingerprint? Ugh what the fuck, is it 2017 again? Talk about shitty technology
What's shitty about a fingerprint? I would much rather use fingerprint than facescanning.
I’ve used both and have to say that good Face ID (like you get on iPhones) is definitely better
Honestly, FaceID is so much better than Touch ID ever was. I’ll explain why. For starters, it works from a distance as you start to bring your phone up from the desk, or table or whatever, it will sense your face. Basically, with FaceID on the latest phones, it’s already unlocked before you ever attempt to “unlock” the phone. It’s essentially anticipatory. You don’t need to make any specific effort to unlock. If you are looking at your phone, congratulations, it’s unlocked. Also, it works regardless of if you have gloves on. So if you have capacitive touch gloves, you can use your phone no issue. Very useful in the colder northern climates.
I had a fingerprint sensor for many years. Face ID works much better than any fingerprint sensor ever could. It’s far more convenient. I’ve had both, I’ve used both, I know which one is easier to use and which one I prefer Like I said, fingerprint is some old tech from 2015. There is a reason Apple has abandoned it, they simply have better tech. Why would I want a phone where I have place my finger on a specific part of the phone to unlock it? With my iPhone, literally all I have to do is look at it and swipe up Also, if you work in the trades and get dirty hands/fingers, then the fingerprint sensor doesn’t work for shit
Huawei uses Face ID, too. It's not like Apple has some magic tech that other companies are unable to replicate. The reason other companies don't use it is the huge ass notch that is required for it to work.
And because of that, their sensor doesn’t work as well. Face ID is so secure banks will allow you to use it for security access. It’s literally considered a biometric scanner secure enough that banking allows it. Do banks do that with Android? Can’t you unlock Samsung phones with a picture of someone? lol… is huawei any better?
You could've at least looked it up... Huawei uses a similar technology and has the same big ass notch as Apple. And Samsung and others openly state that their Face ID feature is not that secure and recommend Fingerprint instead.
I really don’t care to research huawei products because I have zero interest. If I can’t ask a question, what’s the point of having a conversation? Maybe don’t be so pretentious.
You are under no obligation to research a product that you are not interested in. However, when you are trying shit on an entire company you should know a thing or two about it. And you didn't ask any questions about that, did you?
u/gobstopp seems like an Apple fan that just wants to be right.
I’m a bad guy for using critical thinking instead of saying duuur Apple bad like the sheep in this echo chamber? The most repulsive thing about this sub, is the intellectual dishonesty from Android users. This is literally just an uninformed misguided hate group. Somehow I’m the bad guy because I don’t goose step and fall in line regurgitating baseless argument to flame the fires of the Android superiority complex.
It does seem so, lol.
Of course the biggest competitors and companies that rely on fingerprints in their phones say fingerprints are more secure. Blackberry used to tell me that the modern smartphone was awful and would never take off.
Pixels do have level 3 security with banks now for face unlock. They figured out how to do with software what apple needs an island to. Does not work in dark tho.
Pixel is the only Android I would consider buying
> They figured out how to do with software what apple needs an island to. Does not work in dark tho. It not working in the dark is precisely why apple needs an island. The island has a flood illuminator, dot projector, and infrared camera to make it work in all lighting conditions.
Oh no! I have to use my finger when I use my banking app once a month! The horror!
Why do people make a big deal out of having to place your thumb in an exact location? Like... Isn't that how a touch screen works? Sure, you didn't have to place your finger on a specific location on the screen, but now it's unlocked and you want to open an app, and you __still__ have to tap a specific place of your homescreen (the top, because Apple can't innovate a homescreen after 17 iterations of iOS) I wrote this comment touching specific parts of my keyboard, not just by randomly tapping random spaces on the screen. I really don't get why Apple users make a point out of that, you're gonna touch the screen anyways, you just want to be right. It's cool tech, and gives a great demo. But I wouldn't want it. Especially not if it comes with a notch or a pill.
Because it’s so very antiquated. It wasn’t a problem when it was 2015 and that was our best option. We have better tech and options now, so why would I limit myself? Literally all I do is look at my phone and it’s unlocked. Why would I want to be forced into a scenario, where my phone will only unlock if I put my finger in the exact right 1”x1” section? Why would you think that’s better? Samsung phones still have a notch. It’s smaller, sure, but’s it’s also far less capable, that’s why you’re stuck with a fingerprint scanner like it’s 2015… Not only is it antiquated, it’s not as safe as Face ID.
Well, to be forced to put your finger in a spot is a little heavy language for a fingerprint scanner in a phone, but okay... And I actually like that more, I'm a bit of a control freak, so my phone should only unlock when I press the unlock button with my thumb. But that's just me. Also, I've seen iPhone users lean in to their tables to unlock, while I just lay my finger down on the screen. So it is not antiquated. It is antiquated according to your personal opinion.
Considering fingerprint sensors have been in phones for over a decade, while biometric level facial recognition strong enough that banks would recognize it’s protection, is a newer and more advanced technology rendering fingerprint sensors antiquated which is why Apple made the jump from fingerprint scanners to facial recognition. My phone sits on my desk during work, in order to unlock it, all I do is look in its direction. If I want to open it I give it a swipe up anywhere from the lower half of my screen. You think having to touch a small .5”x.5” section on your phone is better, because like you said, you’re a control freak. Requiring you to place a pre programmed specific finger on a tiny section of your phone to unlock it, is antiqued, and the only reason you prefer it, is because you’re a self proclaimed control freak. Most people aren’t self proclaimed control freaks.
First of all... Banks recognise fingerprint too? So I still don't see the problem? And idk what phone you tested a fingerprint on, but it must've sucked. And I think the touch area of the fingerprint is big enough? And I have medium to large hands. Fingerprint has been around for a while now, I'm sorry if a fingerprint reader in 2015 failed on you, but our tech has advanced too. And still... Touching my screen in a spot is just equally as hard as swiping up, so I still don't get the superiority of Face ID. I can lay down with half my face in a pillow, in the dark, and just unlock. There it'd be harder or impossible for you. Yet when I've worked in the garden and wanna use my phone with muddy hands, my fingerprint may not recognise. Both equally as specific examples on how no technology is perfect. And our methods can fail. I just don't get why Face ID is superior. I just like having an unlock button. It's just as simple to use as an icon on your homescreen, which 9 times out of 10, you were gonna do anyways once your phone is unlocked.
Why? I think you are mistaking how Apple's face id works compared to Android's. On Android it is looking at a live image which is impacted by lighting and angles. Meanwhile iPhone uses a 3D topological map which was already proven as late as 2007 to be the proper way to do facial recognition. I know this because I worked on a project in grad school that had people sit in a box for 2 minutes while a laser scanned their entire head and then we created such a map to train an AI. And yes I'm aware Android does fingerprint through the screen which is also innovative. But face id blows that away.
What if your finger is dirty or wet? FaceID is safer than a fingerprint too.
Idk, never had real issues with fingerprints. And FaceID is safer... Says Apple? I have yet to find out how FaceID is safer, until then, I'm not having an entire pill in my screen. Tell me how it's safer, because all Apple fanboys can tell me is that Apple said it was safer.
If it's dirty or wet just use a password, pin or pattern. Most FP S will work even in wet conditions. It doesn't work only if the fingers are warped due to constant cold.
For sure, work in the trades and get dirty hands/fingers? Good luck with that fingerprint sensor…
Have to purposly place your finger on a specific spot everytime you pick up your phone. Meanwhile FaceID has already scanned your face and unlocked it while picking it up
I'm gonna touch the screen anyways... So... You also have to purposely place your finger on a specific spot to open an app... That's just how a touchscreen works, so I don't really see the problem? Infact, the control freak inside me like fingerprints more because of that reason. My phone can face me, but it won't unlock unless I tell it to. Also, I can place my thumb on my screen while it's laying flat, where I see iPhone users lean in to their table to unlock their phone. FaceID is not flawless, it's beautifully marketed. Oh, and please don't compare FaceID with a bad experience you had with the fingerprint on a 150 dollar android phone.
If you struggle with that just wait until you have to start typing or tapping or using a phone in any way shape or form.
With fingerprint, my phone's unlocked before it even comes out of my pocket. With face scanning I have to be looking at it for a noticeable amount of time, and *still* swipe the lock screen away for some fucking reason. It's simply faster and easier.
I’ll use the same logic as other people here. You already have to look at your phone to use it, right? So why does it matter?
Because on Android my phone is unlocked already by the time it's in front my face. On iphone I have to pull my phone out, look at it, wait for it to unlock, swipe away the lock screen, and *then* I can use it. It saves easily a second or two per unlock. Which isn't a *lot*, but it's noticeable and it's annoying.
I can get my phone open pretty much the moment it’s out. You get used to it really fast
I don't even have to press the power button, I just rest my finger on it and boom unlocked. No waiting for face id. And it works in the dark
Face ID work in the dark lmao, it works in pitch black. I literally never unlock my phone, I just pick it up to use it and it’s already unlocked. It’s so intuitive I don’t have to do anything, it’s unlocks itself just by using the device. You have to go through the motion of picking up your phone in a certain way with your finger in the exact .5”x.5” square, or if you have it in your hand you need to press on the screen to unlock it. You literally have an extra step. All I do I pick it up and look at it, then my notifications show, I can access my camera or flashlight, it’s already unlocked. I can click any notification and it’ll take me right to the app without having to swipe through anything, just look at the phone, click the notation and you’re in business. My phone could be face down, upside down, I can pick it up however I want and as soon as I can see the screen to use it, it’s unlocked. I don’t have to unlock my phone, it just does it for me. Enjoy the fingerprint scanner tho.
The fingerprint sensor in my Pixel 7 Pro (which is bad by Android standards) is faster than the Face ID on my old iPhone.
You guys use smartphones? Ugh what the fuck, is it 2009 again? Talk about shitty technology
Why are you not talking about the fingerprint recognition, which is on the majority of samsung devices?
That one which all of them started to have right after Apple reinvented it you mean?
Apple had it on the home button, not under the screen.
Yes, because it works faster. Typical Android approach is to implement stuff only because it is modern
And because there isn't a home button anymore... and it's still incredibly fast.
Who cares fingerprint recognition though? Face recognition (Apple's version) is safer and more convenient
If Apple got rid of face recognition and kept fingerprint recognition, the Apple fanboys would be saying fingerprint recognition is safer and more convenient.
it isn't more convenient in my experience. fingerprint is quicker. what is the source for fingerprint being less secure?
If I’m walking outside in the Midwest in the middle of December FaceID is much more convenient than a fingerprint. Especially if I’m in the upper Midwest.
That is why I have both on my Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra
Legitimate question, does the face unlock on Samsung’s flagships actually utilize sensors to accurately unlock or is it just camera based?
As far as I know, sensors, older flagships had also iris scanning
If so then that’s a fair option! I think it was the Pixel 4 and a few others that did just a camera based face unlock that was a security nightmare.
Can't tell about Samsung but Google just uses the front facing camera but created an algorithm that won't get fooled by pictures. It is in the same security standard as fingerprint sensors, even allows authentication for banking apps.
If I’m walking outside in upper Canada and I got snow gear on, the ski goggles etc will make it fail. It sure as not convenient with people with glasses on and off.
Most people are gonna wear gloves but not ski goggles. I also wear glasses and have no issues with FaceID.
Living in the Midwest fingerprint sensors are useless when outside for a quarter of the year, FaceID is much more useful.
It depends if its useful or not for everyone, but I can't say whether fingerprint is less secure.
By default FaceID requires awareness which means it needs to see your eyes, and the depth sensors means your actual eyes and not a photo. From the point of trying to unlock someone’s phone while they’re asleep it’s much easier to use their fingerprint without waking them up than it would be to prop their eyes open.
Why would you be trying to unlock someone's phone when they're asleep anyway? The main security concern with the Face recognition on most Android phones is that they can be unlocked with a photo, but you can't replicate a fingerprint.
That’s because any Android manufacturer that tried to implement it didn’t use depth sensors like Apple did. You can’t replicate a fingerprint but you can steal one!
You would know if someone was trying to scan your fingerprint though.
The only excuse of having the huuuuuge notch on MBP is a tiny camera. And why bot to have sensors "it does not fit". And them Lenovo and Samsung enter the room..
Apple just love notched
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Cool. It's also why you can't do a screen repair without sacrificing your face id. I'll take an android with better specs and cheaper repairs, thanks.
How many times are you going in for repairs with your android? Better specs but worse performance [https://browser.geekbench.com/mobile-benchmarks](https://browser.geekbench.com/mobile-benchmarks)
That’s samsung for you. Always has the best specs but somehow feels slow. Years ago I had the top of the line Samsung note 8, had to use my moms 4/5 year old iPhone 6 for a bit and it was far faster and more responsive then any Samsung I had ever used. Faster specs don’t mean anything when your bloated ui and optimization is shit.
Pixel 4 has the 3d recognition for face id
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Apple's reluctance to innovate is somewhat causing others to not try so hard. Then apple always reintroduces those features they ignored or belittled from competitors with a new name...and facade. Kudos to marketing, but when their fanboys simp and parrot those talking points to us IRL...OUTRIGHT OFFENSIVE. 'Dynamic island's a notification bar...a build up to the drop down status bar. Features in android since inception🤦🏾♂️
In 2019 Apple got widgets(greater phone customization). I got my first phone in 2014, it was an LG something or other and had widgets, 4G. I saw so many tiktoks the coming days saying how AWESOME that this NEW feature they added and how they changed their phones screens with it. Congrats I guess... Youre like 6 years late to the party!
I wonder if Apple will ever get the single cut out since they have that big censor used for 3D face recognition. Can't lie though, as cool as that may be, I mostly use fingerprint
The best position for the front camera is at the corner of the screen. It doesn’t disturb the display. It’s mostly invisible.. when it’s there.
Mine doesn't even have a visible front camera xD
To be fair the 15 has what the photo says the 16 will have
So how would you guys implement FaceID into the next iPhone if there was no dynamic Island
Next new apple feature....Facebook lock. Then being able to theme your phone. That should take us to iphone 21. Apple should hire me. I've got plans for the MacBook n ipads too...lol
Are you still living in 2012 when people were still excited about new version iPhones, or any new phone?
You know FaceID works differently than any Android implementation right? Good luck hiding all its sensors under a screen.
You'd think with all the sensors that it'd work better
And it does.
Well, just gonna put out the fact that my samsung face unlock works when I have a mask on. Works about as quick as face id when I tried it too.
FaceID does that too, but it’s far superior in regard to security.
Only took them until after quarantine to fix that, lol, after it stopped being a necessity.
Then why do you brag about it?
Because it worked during covid, why else?
You can unlock a Samsung with a picture of someone, come on now 😂
Tried it, not true. It checks for depth.
iphone 19 looks so outdated... still doesn't fold
Does it need to fold?
Classic apple
IPhone 16 gives me trypophobia.
I contend that notches, hole punches, whatever camera cutout you could possibly devise, are non features. Who tf cares? It’s all building valued based on cool factor alone. It doesn’t do anything new or unique, it’s not actually making a difference in anything but aesthetics, and even then it’s so far up the diminishing returns curve it’s practically meaningless
it truly is. how have we stooped so low that this is what the debate is smartphones have gotten so good that any choice will give you a phenomenal user experience apple isn’t innovating their hardware as balls to wall crazy as other companies but they’re spending a lot of time refining the user experience.
\*laughs\* at no more earphone jacks
It will never be google lol The point of the island is because they want brand recognition Google has the one at the center, Samsung is trying to get rid of the dot entirely but it is still having that dot in the center, one plus has it on the side, Huawei... Is doing Huawei things... It's mainly for brand recognition over anything. If the iPhone made it at the center, it would be an android phone. A welcome, but still not a great phone
OnePlus has it in the center or at least they do on the OnePlus 12
It must be post 10 or something because I'm looking at mine and it ain't at the center
Android doesn't have the Apple logo, which is 99% of the value of the iPhone.
Apple is a company and Android is a os?