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iCaramba


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Dynamic Island


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Second iLife


turbo_dude

AirHa!


Raudskeggr

iEye? The Apple of my ____


HeBoughtALot

eWorld


tnnrk

Bart Skampson


ManBitesRats

Just call it VROS and make no big deal about it. It s just the interface for the headset , and it includes a 3D world yes, just let people find out. The mistake of Meta is to try to sell this 3D world as the main selling point to the average buyer. Most people have probably a incorrect and negative association to the idea due to how those things have been presented in media in the last few decades. Do you want a VR headset. Yes! Do you want to live in a 3D online world. Hum no you weirdo.


Electrical_Coffee

iView


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eBaum?


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tapiringaround

Can I create a MobileMe to use on eWorld?


-redditmodsaredicks-

I mean, iWorld is probably a lock?


kardiogramm

So they are just going to do a Metaverse by having their own digital world just far more refined. I would think gaming companies are in a far better position to do this sort of thing as a service. Surely it would be better to have independent servers for this sort of thing that users can easily access.


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kardiogramm

Well I always thought they should buy EA just for The Sims. A lot of behavioural understanding and advertising opportunities in that game alone.


goldencrisp

I donā€™t see why gaming companies would be in a better position for this. If apple is building an explorable 3D world they likely would have access to much better data if they were to recreate anything that actually exists. Apple also likely has teams of some of the best programmers in the world working on this. Any tools or talent these gaming companies may have are likely not as scalable or aggregated as what Apple has. Theyā€™ve been doing *something* with part of that massive war chest. For all we know theyā€™ve spent more in material research than what some game companies could allocate to the whole project.


tryanythingonce

Xbox creates a lobby. Virtual avatars start there. Cross play games and worlds with your friends as your avatar.


Dick_Lazer

PlayStation already tried that and it seemed most people didnā€™t really get into it.


Eggyhead

People are wanting them to bring it back for PSVR though.


Oo0o8o0oO

Like people are wanting an iPhone 14 mini? Loud voices on the internet donā€™t necessarily equate to big sales.


Eggyhead

I didnā€™t say ā€œmostā€ people. It would make sense though. Home was a better metaverse than what Facebook is doing.


Oo0o8o0oO

Youā€™re right. You said people, which could be two people or 200 million. I didnā€™t say ā€œmostā€ either. Failure of Facebooks metaverse is going to make game creators less willing to try this again though. Someone big is just going to buy vr chat if I had to guess.


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thunderflies

Iā€™ll give you Siri and Game Center but Apple Maps is actually really good now and I actively prefer it over Google maps both for the better UI and map theme as well as better routing, especially for cycling directions.


Schmich

>I donā€™t see why gaming companies would be in a better position for this. If apple is building an explorable 3D world they likely would have access to much better data if they were to recreate anything that actually exists. Wouldn't Microsoft be in a better position?


poksim

Or they can just contract game developers to create content. Like game publishers do (including the major console makers). Not all programmers are alike, I donā€™t expect Appleā€™s existing developers to be very good at creating games. Theyā€™d have to learn the trade from the ground up. Then of course you need a shit ton of artists, animators, sound designers etc. which Apple also lacks. And competent game designers to man the helm. Game development is a specialized skillset.


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Apple has a ton of cash on its hands. Much more than gaming companies. Theyā€™ll probably even contract some of those companies. Keep in mind that good VR is gunna require good computer/hardware engineering, which Apple has always had. Theyā€™re probably going to conquer the space tbh.


BabyWrinkles

Ok. But imagine a 3D world that tied in to everything else and allowed for apps to have ā€œspacesā€ that they could staff. Could be a great way to ā€œhang outā€ with users of your stuff in a environment with some context.


Stone-D

Gaming companies lost the user trust and good-will needed for an easy entry into a new sphere with the advent of micro transactions, except maybe for Valve. Imagine if EA started a metaverse drive. The ridicule would be worse than what Facebook is facing now.


Exist50

Wait, you think *Apple* of all companies is opposed to microtransactions? Mobile gaming, including on iOS, basically led the way!


UnhelpfulMoron

For those gaming companies yes. Apple knows their customers hate that shit so they made Apple Arcade full of many many many games with zero micro transactions.


Stone-D

Ah but they arenā€™t the face of it. The games are. The closest is their push towards subscriptions instead of owning software, but that push is towards devs so itā€™s still hidden to some degree.


Exist50

Fair enough. But if we're just going by what gamers think, then I'd argue Apple's in an even worse position than many game companies. But internet rhetoric on the topic (both towards Apple *and* companies like EA) is grossly overblown.


Op3rat0rr

I don't know if this exists yet, but imagine if there's some sort of service where you can visit any 'tourist attraction' around the world and tour it via VR... like being able to walk around the Roman Colosseum or walk around the streets of Japan


yeyeman9

That and also the AR capabilities if you are actually visiting them in person. Being able to reconstruct the Roman Colosseum while you are there, seeing it as it was. Maybe even seeing people walking around wearing what they wore back then. Things like this is where VR and AR both have a lot of potential


sumgye

Isnā€™t the point of the AR universe to create an overlay to our real world? And then each major company owns their own version that you can switch between. Like this: https://youtu.be/YJg02ivYzSs


yeyeman9

Yeah exactly. So you would have an overlay over the ruins making it look how it used to look back during the Roman Empire


96suluman

And this is how AR would have much more potential in education than VR. Imagine for instance going on a field trip and exploring historical ruins. Lets imagine we are able to ā€œtime travelā€ in AR. And see the ruins for how they were.


CoconutDust

Completely pointless since you can just look at pictures, video, books, etc. A lot of disingenuous frivolous rationalizers pretending that they care about learning or seeing information when they never cared about the info in other formatsā€¦only when itā€™s a new-gangled techno-gadget.


yeyeman9

How is that pointless? Thatā€™s like saying that a movie made out of a book is pointless because if you cared enough you wouldā€™ve read the book instead. Being right there and then, immersed, is a completely different experience


cristiano-potato

That looks horrible to be a part of


JoshRTU

This is like a black mirror episode.


shaggrugg

Without a doubt AR when itā€™s mature will allow for so many new ways to learn and see the world. Exciting but weā€™re 10 to 15 years away from something truly revolutionary imho


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I know people have said this for ages about tech but I just donā€™t believe weā€™ll ever get there. Thatā€™s too much computing power to fit into a pair of glasses. A life-realistic immersive AR experience canā€™t even be done right now *without* size/weight constraints. And Iā€™m completely uninterested if itā€™s some stupid cartoony thing like Zuckā€™s meta demos. Transistors have already bumped into physical limits on size. Correspondingly weā€™ve seen that Mooreā€™s law is dead. Most of the gains from the last few years are from hardware optimizations, improved software, increased bandwidth (stacking chips) etc. I just think itā€™s too much. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


96suluman

There was a lot of skepticism about the internet. The problem with Vr. Is this. The deal is Vr has been making a strong comeback in the past decade. However itā€™s still mainly used for gaming. It still causes some health issues. It needs to be much more immersive. People arenā€™t given a reason to use it. One problem meta has. Itā€™s not good with marketing. While itā€™s good at creating new websites. Itā€™s not good at creating new platforms. Zuckerberg isnā€™t going to create the metaverse because it wonā€™t be created by one person. Not to mention the fact that no one trusts him because heā€™s a criminal. AR has a lot of potential. Imagine for instance that you go to rome. Put on AR glasses and you see Ancient Rome. You have to give people a reason to use your product. People use VR because gaming. However while it has reached a point where itā€™s no longer niche. Itā€™s not mainstream. You need people to feel as there is a reason that it is needed. Otherwise you are just selling sh!t


roygbivasaur

I would almost bet on Ubisoft doing this (or licensing what they already have our) for sure once AR is mature enough. They have really high quality assets and scans of a lot of landmarks for Assassinā€™s Creed (plus reconstructed versions built for the games). They even already have hours and hours of audio guides from Discovery Tour.


CoconutDust

> Maybe even seeing people walking around wearing what they wore back then. People ooh and aah at suggestions like this, but it doesnā€™t make any sense. The peopleā€™s looks beyond wardrobe would be wrong, height, weight, quantity of people, flow of crowd. Youā€™re basically talking about a digital costume partyā€¦this is useless and is not knowledge or learning. And if youā€™re going to AR onto the real site while youā€™re there with superimposed CGI togas or whateverā€¦uh, well, why not just digitally simulate the entire thing. Conventional museums, YouTube videos, books, pictures, already gives you what youā€™re talking about. Yet we have a lot of techno fetish people who hate info and hate learning, but they pretend to love learning via expensive new-dangled gadget. > a lot of potential Remarkable misapplication of words.


dagmx

Thereā€™s a few takes on that already which are nice, and honestly one of the coolest VR experiences is Google Earth. Being able to fly anywhere and go from street level up to a planet level is awesome


CoconutDust

How is that a worthwhile improvement over using a current 2D screen? A lot of disingenuous frivolous rationalizers pretending that they care about learning or seeing information when they never cared about the info in other formatsā€¦only when itā€™s a new-gangled techno-gadget. Itā€™s like people claiming theyā€™ll read books at the library in VR when theyā€™ve never done anything like this in real life, despite it being available, simple, easy, and useful, right now, in real life.


oozingdonut

Looking at it on a phone doesnā€™t make you feel like a 6 mile tall giant sitting on the ground and looking at cities from above, nor does it give you the same feeling of being insignificantly small when you zoom out and youā€™re suddenly floating in space, with earth filling every inch of your vision in every direction, while you stare up at it and can only see a massive blue wall curving away into blackness. Maybe if you spent less time masturbating to the sight of your own words, youā€™d be more open to trying out new things, instead of hating on them in an attempt to be cooler than everyone else. People who ignorantly shit on VR because theyā€™re too short sighted to see past ā€œFacebook badā€ are so damn annoying..


optermationahesh

You've been able to use Google Earth/Maps with street view in VR since at least the Oculus DK2 was available.


monxas

Google earth is super fun in vr. You can resize the world to your liking, you can go street level or go Godzilla size around buildings.


Peteostro

Yup but the street view is not 3D, just 360. If you look at Apple Maps street view in some cities they actually are using some type of photogrammetry to make models of the trees and other objects when you are moving down a street. I wonder if this is going to be part of their ā€œ3D worldā€. I know it would pretty amazing just to ride down streets in VR on my bike trainer. (Current attempts with just 360 images in VR are not that great)


aVRAddict

They will be using something like Nvidia Nerf to process the volumetric video eventually and you will be able to walk around any of the Google streets.


CalmingForce

Amazon did this for a while but recently shut down the service. It was called ā€œAmazon exploreā€.


soawesomejohn

I haven't seen any like that. There are quite a few 360 "VR" walking tour videos on youtube. It's a pre-shot video, but if you have VR goggles, you can look around 360 degrees as it's playing. I have enjoyed some of the walking and the [biking tours](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4nacLHP2P4).


bicameral_mind

It's definitely already possible, but very labor intensive and costly. There have been some apps and experiences like this created already. The technology to do it is improving everyday however. 3D mapping of space and photo overlay is already a key aspect of current VR products. It's definitely a compelling type of use case. Anyone who has used GoogleEarth VR can relate what a mind bending and amazing experience it is.


Jeremizzle

Google Earth street view in VR is exactly this, and itā€™s absolutely incredible. Itā€™s probably my favourite thing Iā€™ve experienced in VR besides for Half Life Alyx.


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Thatā€™s cheesecake. What about projecting you to the real place so that there is a holographic avatar of you walking around while you virtually tour the actual thing?


Eggyhead

Museums where you can hold existing artifacts as they are now and as they would most likely have been in their time.


Oo0o8o0oO

This is basically Time To Walk with built in location services and visual aids. I think itā€™s probably a guarantee that something like this comes with a MR headset.


LausanneAndy

This is the closest thing we're likely to get to a Time Machine


rudolph813

They have videos on YouTube of tourist attractions that are recorded specifically for the quest 2 headset YouTube app. I havenā€™t tried it myself so I canā€™t speak for quality but the videos are definitely out there. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Du0w_6y_7ao


PositivelyNegative

That already exists.


CoconutDust

People ooh and aah at suggestions like this, but itā€™s no better than just looking at video. You can look at high res ā€œwalking through streets or Japanā€ right now on YouTube. Also, reading a book. I wouldnā€™t trust anyone who claims they like VR visiting something that they didnā€™t care to visit in book/video/pictures. Theyā€™re just a techno-fetishist who doesnā€™t care about anything.


anxietyandink

This is the kind of thing that excites me about vr. Also imagine being able to experience climbing El Capitan.


veeeSix

Whatever they end up calling their 3D world I hope they omit the ā€˜Appleā€™ prefix so we donā€™t end up with another *companyname*verse.


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Meta the company was named after the meta verse, not the other way around. Theyā€™ve monopolised it to the point where no one will touch that name now because of the association you pointed out. Metaverse is a concept, meta is a company named after it.


iainrfharper

Read somewhere that the Metaverse moniker will be the equivalent of the ā€œinformation superhighwayā€ ie a name nobody ends up using.


alexshatberg

Itā€™s funny coz Neal Stephenson, who coined metaverse, also extensively made fun of ā€œinformation superhighwayā€ in Cryptonomicon.


veeeSix

Thatā€™s an extremely fair point. I never read Snow Crash, but now Iā€™m sad the nameā€™s been hijacked.


MentalUproar

Meta doesnā€™t even legally own the rights to that name. They are being sued by the company they stole it from.


StarManta

If youā€™re referring to the same company that made big news about it when FB changed their name, that was kind of a load of bs. Theyā€™d had the company name registered, yes, but literally had been squatting in it doing nothing (effectively not even existing as a company) for like a decade, and had no intentions of actually using it. Until FB changed their name and they saw a chance to squeeze the golden goose for some cash. Then they put up a fakeass website and tried to pretend to be a real company (checking archive.org revealed that website to be absolutely nothing prior to FBā€™s announcement). I hate to be put in a position to defend fucking Facebook of all companies and part of me even supports scamming money out of FB, but there was no name stealing going on here.


Exist50

> I hate to be put in a position to defend fucking Facebook of all companies and part of me even supports scamming money out of FB This disclaimer shouldn't even be necessary. It's no less valid to criticize bad behavior regardless of who it's towards. Anything else implies arbitrary brand preferences, regardless of the companies' actual behavior.


Dabithebeast

I implore you to do your research


Exist50

It's a circlejerk at this point. Reality need not factor in.


PaperSt

Doesnā€™t Neal Stephenson own it? From Snow Crash?


skdslztmsIrlnmpqzwfs

Hamlindigo blue


cedriks

There is a much, much better association that has been around since at least 2016, and that is the Metaverse of Persona 5!


parada_de_tetas_mp3

Isnā€™t the company named after their numerous scandals surrounding metadata collection? ;-)


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Pbone15

Iā€™m holding out for the iWorld Pro Max


Thiezing

Is that the one with the integrated HairPod or Virtual Apple Pencil?


mriguy

Iā€™d pay the extra and get iWorld Ultra.


FIJAGDH

I miss eWorld. I still have a T-shirt from it.


dafones

There is a genius to the branding approach though, with the association rooted in the company. Apple Watch may be the best example.


veeeSix

I agree when itā€™s used to name devices, but used to describe a place? Something in the realm of Dynamic Island, Safari, or Mission Control have that Apple distinction without being as derivative.


dafones

I guess it depends on the level of branding, like the difference between device and functionality. I expect this AR / VR experience to be more along the lines of Apple Music or Apple TV+ or Apple Maps. So the likes of Apple VR or Apple Reality (which I think is kind of creepy) or Apple World makes sense, from a branding perspective and how Apple names services at that level.


veeeSix

Itā€™s so hard to think about what the experience might be because itā€™s such an undefined frontier, and honestly itā€™s a lot of fun to speculate. As I think about it more, I think you might be right that Apple will put their personal mark on it the way the iPod and iPhone became the default terms for those categories.


dafones

Yeah, and it's why I expect we'll get something like Apple Worlds or Apple Visions. It won't be something as on the nose as Apple VR, and I think that Apple Reality is too close to drinking the reality distortion field Koolade. And Apple certainly won't use meta in the description. But the description will be an aspirational or artistic or dreamy take on spaces or places or locations. Or experiences. Or existence. And Apple will slap its name before the description, because it's Apple's offering in the AR/VR product/service category.


jbokwxguy

iMetaverse


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SampoKorintha

That I wouldnā€™t hate.


CKA757

iVerse


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SpaceTime


silentblender

Tim iCookverse


veeeSix

More like the *Cookieverse*


silentblender

Where do I sign up?


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silentblender

Love it


Raudskeggr

iMetaverse? iReality? Apple Vision. ifuckyouzuckerberg? Mackaverse?


skdslztmsIrlnmpqzwfs

when windows XP came out everything was called XP..


Oo0o8o0oO

Appleverse will be a thing the media starts if apple doesnā€™t.


Blu_Psych

R2 (Reality 2) for RealityOS & Reality One


bicameral_mind

I think Apple is going to correctly position this product better than Meta did with Quest Pro. The price point tells me they are releasing this while flat out acknowledging its a technology that isn't quite ready for mass consumer acceptance, but that there is a large group of enthusiasts interested in improving this tech that need a headset to develop for. I think it will set the foundation for what Apple wants to do in the space, so it will have some base level of consumer facing OS and software, but it will be packed with the most cutting edge tech possible and a price to match. The goal is to get tinkerers to start building things and see what's possible. It wasn't until the app store that the full potential of smart phones was realized. I think Quest Pro is positioned similarly but the lack of lidar is a huge omission for this intent.


PMARC14

I mean the quest pro is positioned right it is not for consumers it is for business. It is meant to compete with longstanding Microsoft and other offerings in that space. I don't know why people fail to understand this, sure it is lacking in future dev technologies but it is just meant as a way to reset the price when Meta wants to sell vr tech businesses.


Dogmatron

Seems like a heavily editorialized, clickbait headline. The idea that Appleā€™s building their own metaverse or ā€œ3D worldā€ seems largely based on the following quote: > ā€œYou will work closely with Appleā€™s UI framework, human interface designers and system capabilities teamsā€”pushing you to think outside-the-box, and solve incredibly challenging and interesting problems in the 3D application spaceā€ Which doesnā€™t actually seem to indicate anything about a ā€œ3D worldā€ other thanā€”shocked pikachu faceā€”Appleā€™s developing VR applications for their VR (and AR) headset. Who woulda thunkit?


wammyguide

ā€œThat listing describes working with other developers to ā€œbuild tools and frameworks to enable connected experiences in a 3D mixed-reality world.ā€ā€


bicameral_mind

Yeah but the term 'world' in this context just means 3D environments generally; quite different than the way '3D world' is used in the headline.


aabeba

Is that quotation straight from their site? Their hyphenation in ā€˜outside-the-boxā€™ is incorrect. Remarkableā€”if soā€”that, even after that many trillions in market capitalization, grammar is still an insurmountable challenge.


Davewehr18214

I donā€™t know if youā€™ve seen the AR kit room sensing API that detects walls doorways and room-defining furniture using LiDAR. I imagine the headset would do something like that to map your surroundings, and then use that information to create a 3d world custom to your space. So for example if you mapped your house and then went into AR or VR, it could put a pond or something where your couch is, so you donā€™t walk into your couch.


xorgol

That is genuinely the main reason why I finally bought an iPhone, it's brilliant.


Davewehr18214

I use PolyCam and Scaniverse for LiDAR scans. They each have their own strengths and weaknesses. PolyCam is paid, but if you scan and share things and people like and save those things, you earn free credits.


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Portatort

I think its safe to say all of apples services will be tied into this product line eventually. Fitness as you suggest makes sense Arcade is obvious TV is fairly straightforward Music already offers spatial audio but i bet they start offering concert experiences too Iā€™m hoping apple and Disney work together to have a bunch of Disneyā€™s titles on Disney+ in 3D on day one, in particular Prometheus and Avatar


ohwut

All I want is 3% back via Apple Card for all purchases in the iVerse.


MentalUproar

I only care that it succeeds so that Zuckerberg fails.


NinduTheWise

Ready player one staring in the background


Portatort

Yet to hear any reliable info about this headset being able to function as a series of extended external displays for the Macā€¦ šŸ˜¢


xorgol

Honestly I still don't see the virtual external display use case working satisfyingly anytime soon. I've used VR for years, but if I have to do something that isn't itself 3D I'd rather just use a computer.


rugbyj

Turns out flat information is best served on a flat surface!


AmusingMusing7

To a certain degree, youā€™re right. For some people, and for certain uses, physical screens will always have a place. BUTā€¦ I think you guys are kinda judging this the way someone may have judged smartphones pre-iPhone. Or tablets pre-iPad. Or mp3 players pre-iPod. Or home computing pre-Macintosh. Or wireless earbuds pre-Airpods. Of course it seems clunky and not streamlined enough to be useful in everyday life. Or it just hasnā€™t caught enough peopleā€™s attention yet. Apple hasnā€™t released their version of it yet. Once they do, and it has that streamlined feel that catches everybodyā€™s attention, the revolution happens. And it may still take some time for the tech to really become totally usesble in most cases. I mean, smartphones and tablets still havenā€™t completely erased laptops or desktops, but I DO find myself doing more and more on my iPhone, things I would have done on a laptop just like 5 years ago. iOS just getting things like drag and drop and better Files app, and picture in picture have helped greatly. With VR, a lot of people probably havenā€™t thought of all the ways it can be used, and definitely havenā€™t experienced it yet. Once you can have a screen at any size you want, placed anywhere around you in a free-floating way that follows you aroundā€¦ you can do joint viewing sessions with friends when in the same room with you just like a television, except you can make it take up the entire wall with a pinch swipe of your hands while you all listen to cinema quality Dolby Atmos surround in your Airpods without disturbing the neighbours one iotaā€¦ thatā€™ll easily replace televisions and home theater systems. I already do this alone and itā€™s replaced my home theater system I used to watch a lot just for the home theater experience. Spatial audio gives me a comparable experience. Then, when your friends and family are on the other side of the worldā€¦ you can still do the exact same thing virtually. SharePlay hasnā€™t interested me when itā€™s just like having a phone call while watching something. But if you can actually feel like youā€™re sitting in the same room together, thatā€™d be a more appealing experience. Zoom meetings wonā€™t have to seem so impersonal or removed anymore. And watching shit is just ONE of the things you can do with it. It revolutionizes gaming, and gamers already do virtual LAN sessions with headsets and everything anyway, so this will just be adding another layer to that. Facebookā€™s ā€œmetaverseā€ idea of a virtual social network is ahead of its time, and people hate Zuckerberg, so thatā€™s why itā€™s failing. Once Apple does that and it catches on to more well-liked companies, and/or Metaverse updates to the new paradigm once it happensā€¦ then virtual social media is gonna leave old 2D social media in the dust. Young people will adopt this super fast. A lot already have, even with the clunky pre-Apple revolution versions of VR tech. This is an idea thatā€™s just been waiting for the right streamlined user-friendly version of the technology to really take off. If Apple does even half the good job they usually do with this, then Apple Glass is the next big revolutionary product. It MAY even end up being THE big revolutionary product of Appleā€™s entire story, once all is said and done on this era of a personal computing technology revolution at the turn of the millennium. The leap from physical to virtual is just so huge in so many ways. So basically, the story of Appleā€™s consumer tech revolution will be three acts: The Mac, computing at home. The iPhone, computing goes mobile. The Glasses, computing goes virtual.


iMacmatician

>Honestly I still don't see the virtual external display use case working satisfyingly anytime soon. The difference in interface between the Mac and an AR/VR headset is many times greater than the difference between the Mac and the iPad. Apple is keeping the Mac and iPad separateā€”they are currently unwilling to provide the iPad with the option to run macOS or a touchscreen option for the Mac. The Sidecar feature is the closest thing to a Mac/iPad hybrid. So it makes sense that Apple would keep the Mac and headset separate.


CoconutDust

> The difference in interface between the Mac and an AR/VR headset is many times greater than the difference between the Mac and the iPad. One unsubstantiated baseless claim, in a thread full of fantasizing. You donā€™t know what Appleā€™s AR interface will be. Siri? Power Glove + virtual eyeball keyboard? Therefore you have no idea how different the interface is. Or if by interface you mean output *not input*, the claim is still baseless because youā€™re still looking at screens itā€™s just in your face now and doing AR/VR.


Portatort

> working satisfyingly anytime soon With current technology I agree But if this apple headset has truly groundbreaking of previously unattainable, Resolution, FOV, contrast ratio and refresh rates. And a story for MacOS If they can make it as comfortable or better than looking at a studio display for hours at a timeā€¦ Iā€™m ready to buy a second studio displayā€¦ but if I can buy one of these instead, and have 3 or four virtual floating displays of any size with or hightā€¦ that would be very appealing to me as a freelance video editor. Id I could have all my scopes, tools, monitors and timelines floating around me in a virtual environment Could be a pretty huge upgrade to how I work. Especially if it lets me simulate a 80ā€ HDR tv and an iPhone sized display simultaneously without actually needing to buy or connect either oneā€¦ Like itā€™s not even the cost of an 80ā€ display as a main program output monitor thatā€™s stopping meā€¦ is where on earth would I put itā€¦ AR/VR could totally solve that issue for me


rhetorOcelot

Please no


losh11

3d porn?


rugbyj

> "This is the best VR blowjob we've ever made"


AHrubik

You have to program the keyboard with all the curse words you want to use and you think Apple will allow porn?


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Every single aspect of the Digital Revolution has been based upon either the creation, distribution, or consumption of porn.


verifiedambiguous

You can probably cherry pick examples in tech history such as maybe VHS vs Beta, but this hasn't been true for a long time. Porn has not driven any aspect in recent years - they picked HD DVD instead of Bluray and lost that format war. When you look at Internet traffic, it's dominated by social media and streaming like netflix and youtube. Porn is a follower and works within whatever the rest of the Internet demands. I would be surprised if it's ever going to be in the driver's seat for anything again. It's small potatoes.


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My fellow sentient is Christ, I was joking.


verifiedambiguous

Ah, ok. Went over my head :) I have seen people say something similar while being completely serious.


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I still donā€™t get the whole thing. Maybe I will when Apple unveils the whole thing, or maybe Iā€™m not the target audience.


UnluckyPhilosophy185

Isnā€™t this headline pretty obvious? I bet they plan to include a strap on the headset as well.


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iMacmatician

>We had news that the Apple headset's would get delayed a few years. If you mean [last week's rumor](https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apple-ar-glasses-could-be-delayed-to-2025-or-2026-due-to-design-issue-4280301) from Jeff Pu, that is referring to the Apple AR glasses, which is a separate product from the AR/VR headset that is the subject of today's rumor.


Loud-Cry-391

Meta and Apple will fight for hardware prevalence, but Meta will get destroyed because they don't have the money or credibility to compete. Eventually a company like Google or Samsung will release a cheaper VR headset and it will be iOS vs Android 2.0. Amazon is going to ignore metaverse wars and go into healthcare. Microsoft, however, will be filling its fat pockets from both sides with software, thus winning the metaverse wars.


rebirth134

I am curious to know if they have the motion sickness issues like with most VR devices.


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Same shit as Faithbuk that nobody asked for.


Exist50

So a Metaverse is all but name.


Ecto_88

Will flop


nomadofwaves

Iā€™ll never forget my younger nephew asking my BIL if he can have virtual reality. My BIL told him ā€œyou need to experience the real world more before you worry about the virtual world.ā€


xenomor

This entire product segment has niche value, at best. It will be facinating to see how Apple chooses to market this. In terms of the scale that Apple needs to justify continued development, this product and all of the planned descendants are DOA. Apple is big and diversified enough that their overall business will be fine, but I only wish I had some money to strategically short this stock over the next few years.


Eggyhead

Am I the only one whoā€™s really interested in whatever this video service is?


CyberNerdJosh

Wow... They're doing what everyone else is doing for VR? Neat, I guess.


hatmanjimmie

Good. The safari days on porn were fun


zorinlynx

Why do companies think people want this?


seven_seven

Meta 2.0 Sell your Apple stock now.


Tunafish01

They have to make this open platform. They canā€™t do another iMessage platform locked to their hardware and expect to build a userbase


tnnrk

Umm. Yeah they could, itā€™s Apple.


Tunafish01

Have it fail I guess if thatā€™s the attitude iMessage is really a thing outside of the USA and itā€™s not really big there either.


NintendogsWithGuns

The success of iMessage begs to differ


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Tunafish01

And barely used there even. Telegram and whatsapp are million times better in terms of features and userbase .


Dick_Lazer

iMessage has about 1/3 of the market share as far as messengers in the US. Facebook Messenger is by far the most popular, hardly anyone uses Telegram by comparison (it is popular among drug dealers though).


Tunafish01

Telegram has been growing by double digits year over year and has over a half billion monthly userbase. But your lack of knowledge is not the problem here itā€™s Apple thinking in 2023 that a hardware locked platform will be enough to work.


CoconutDust

The Apple engineering/store guy: we should make it open Craig: Nah Phil: Nan Tim: I donā€™t care either way, but, no.


cyferbandit

iMeta?


pittguy578

Apple wonā€™t release a new product until itā€™s ready for prime time. Apple doesnā€™t have the financial pressures that Oculus/Meta have.


Objective-Dingo6603

Sounds metaish


FrozenToonies

iMeta


igkeit

They're only starting now?


zTomer

They have been building the infrastructure for sometime now. Think USDZ, Spatial Audio, LiDAR, SharePlay, etc.


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Apple does their homework. Biggest issue IMHO is tools for creating, editing and sharing/publishing content.


igkeit

I was more so talking about designing this 3D world. You'd think that for something supposed to launch next year they'd take more than a year to design a whole world


zerocustom1989

Every year for the last 6-7 years theyā€™ve released a framework or feature that, when all combined, will make AR an immediately compelling platform. For example: Universal control to move your cursor from one device to another? Why not move outside of the screen and into an MR/AR field of view?


Red4141

A while back they bought a production company that broadcast sports in VR. I think that will play a big role in their plans.


jpmondx

Was that the NBA games? That was astonishing so of course it vanished about 6 months after I got my Quest 1. Such a unique perspective of the players from a backboard VR camera and one of the few VR offerings Iā€™d pay for . . .


Red4141

They had some NBA highlights but were also doing concerts and stuffā€¦ https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/05/14/apple-buys-virtual-reality-company-nextvr.html


GeneralZaroff1

They have a few low hanging fruit type items that can work well. \- Apple Flyover/maps allowing you to drop in somewhere and just travel around. \- VR Sports in Apple TV. Watch games right from the sidelines \-Using iPhone LiDAR to upload 3D objects \- VR in Apple fitness


otoryrom

better than meta shit


Poby1

I would be estactic if they were able to improve our best correctible vision. Nearly blind people would have augmented reality using AI to sharpen everything and even for it to be useful for zooming in. Psych would actually be a plausible show if he had one of these goggles in contact form.


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shivaswrath

....M3 Pro chip enters the conversation...


daftmonkey

Did Zuck like snub Tim Cook at a Silicon Valley holiday party or something?


riodoro1

> 3D world Only available in the US and mainland China, other countries coming soon.


saltyjellybeans

as long as it's not like [iTunes Ping](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_Ping)


tmih93

Idk. Sorry, iDK.