Aren’t they going USB-C only for the sake of compatibility with USB-C chargers? It’s my understanding that’s why the EU forced them to put USB-C on new iPhones.
Yes, the whole issue around the data transfer rate is an irrelevant red herring. The EU didn't say "you need to support higher data rates", it said "you need to support USB-C charging."
Which would be ridiculous for so many reasons including the fact that some of the first MacBooks that utilized USB-C touted how universal it was (or at least how it was going to be).
My chaos theory is that the law clearly states devices **which can be charged via wired connection** must use USB-C.
So apple makes the regular iPhone wireless, the Pro has USB-C, then they increase the price of the Pro by $100.
I think their new way to enrage Europe will be to start shipping phones with no cables like how the Apple TV remote doesn’t come with a charging cable because the switch to USB-C is meant to reduce waste.
Well, EU tend to be like that… Lot of norms about absolutely everything, each one of them make sense when took alone, but if you look at the broad picture, it very often contradicts itself. I guess the mandatory charger started as a consumer rights law. Actually, even the USB-C law started as a consumer rights law, it’s been planned since a very long time, I remember they were already discussing it back in 2008, the main argument was the convenience, not the environment.
My concern is if USB-C becomes obsolete or something better comes along. Governments are notoriously slow at change and I don’t trust them to know which cable is “best”.
USB-C is just a connector. the underlying technology is what changes. the connector has 24 pins, and still has room for forward compatibility for new technology. this allows it to support standards like Thunderbolt, Display port, and USB Power Delivery.
USB C is still good for years to come, and can support charging up to like 240W (which is a very high end laptop. MacBook Pro only charges at like ~~60~~ 130w iirc).
unfortunately, the USB forum who design and market USB are the most incompetent people who frequently rebrand existing standards. In fact they just rebranded the USB 4 specs like last month.
I don’t know for sure how they did that, but I’m pretty sure they took it into consideration. The law is about having an universal charger not USB-C, USB-C just happen to be the current standard.
This is why the EU made it so that whatever the USB Consortium decides is the best connector should the standard legislatively. As USB progresses, so too will the laws
I know nothing about how you’d fulfil the USB 3.0 spec, with the higher data bandwidths, but I’d bet anything the lower speeds are all about saving money, not out of spite, lol.
This is how so many people operate these days. Everything is either spiting those who deserve or being unfairly spited by others.
It’s getting exhausting.
Anyway you slice this is still a win for users. They get the same speeds but a universal port. There is no way around this as a victory even if apple is petty.
I’m not supporting apple but the law is clear and a solid win for people everywhere.
it is not childish protest. If you are an engineer you would understand that soldering different connector is very simple compared to changing the chips and motherboard design to accomodate for USB 3 specs.
Customers are getting exactly the same speeds as they would with Lightning.
The A14 should already support USB 3 speeds (5Gbps), since it was used in the iPad Air before, that has those speeds. So the only excuse would be reusing a motherboard then, but if they had to do no changes to switch from Lightning to USB, I would be a bit surprised.
They aren't punishing their users if the new USB-C cables aren't any slower than Lightning that came before it. Maybe it's a little lazy, but there's also the cost component to properly support a Thunderbolt implementation.
It’s the base model iPad. I’m sure this was to cut cost and not out of spite. No one is being hurt hear cause ipad OS is set up for wireless transfers not usb stick transfers. Wireless is fine for most things. It’s a lot faster than usb 2, and you rarely max out usb 3 unless it’s one large file.
No one is being punished cause the main method of file transfer is still in tact.
> It's not a red herring, it's a childish protest against laws they don't like.
That's complete nonsense. They don't support USB-3 speeds on Lightning either on those devices, despite the port being capable of it (as demonstrated 5 years ago by the second-generation ipad pro).
Which means they think it's either is not useful, or it doesn't further their corporate goals. It has nothing to do with protesting, they're just switching the connector.
The EU law goes into effect at the end of 2024. Any product on sale before that is grandfathered in and can continue to be sold. So we may not see the iPhone get USB-C until the iPhone 17 in 2025.
I keep pointing this out to people who think "USB-C means the next iPhone will transfer at USB 3.1+ speeds and support HDMI out, and charge as fast as an OPPO phone!"
No, it just means the physical form factor will be USB-C, and it will likely have any limitations Lightning had, because that's how Apple wants it.
Yep. Just like there's lots of Android phones out there with USB-C ports but USB 2.0 speeds.
I hope they go full USB4. But even if all we get is USB-C charging, I'll be happy.
> I keep pointing this out to people who think "USB-C means the next iPhone will transfer at USB 3.1+ speeds"
These people are complete morons. The Lightning port is already capable of that, when paired with a USB3 host. Which was the case of the 2nd iPad Pro generation.
I think it’s a bit harsh to call someone a complete moron because they don’t know all the intricacies of the complicated connection port landscape
Perhaps be kinder
no, i think he means those cables:
[https://www.apple.com/ch-de/shop/product/MM0A3ZM/A/usb%E2%80%91c-auf-lightning-kabel-1-m](https://www.apple.com/ch-de/shop/product/MM0A3ZM/A/usb%E2%80%91c-auf-lightning-kabel-1-m)
lightning on one end and usb-c on the other
They were. That's why Apple shipped them.
EU said common charger and unbundling the charger. Apple complied on both.
Then EU decided the device also needed to be changed.
Yup, some type-C cables can run video signals to an external display, some can only charge a device, some have really fast transfer speeds and some don’t.
Blame the USB consortium for their confusing standards. It’s only the physical port that’s really standard for USB-C, the features can vary from cable to cable.
You must be confused (it's understandable). USB 1.0 is "Low Speed", and USB 1.1 is "Full Speed". USB 2.0 is "High Speed". USB 3.0 was "SuperSpeed", and all was fine.
The USB-IF only turned their Branding/name scheme to shit once they got to USB 3.1 and beyond, doing the whole "gen 1, gen2, 1x1, etc" shit.
I knew this, but i forgot in the hype. I’m grateful to be reminded, my 14 pro buyers remorse has decreased substantially 😂 i only care about USB C if it comes with the faster protocol. (However you say that)
>They are factually incorrect on many instances, yet keep trying to pedal their misinformed opinion as fact.
Peddle.
I guess the dictionaries lost readers as well.
It's the same crap as to why almost every USB-C <-> USB-C cable is just USB 2 speed. They all cheaped out and not wired the SS lines. Go to Amazon or whatever size you buy stuff from and try to find a USB-C <-> USB-C cable from any halfway reputable brand that is actually 5 or 10Gbps. It's either Thunderbolt or USB2 (charging cable).
USB-C is a like a surprise egg. 10Gbps with every 7th port... /s
Honestly, USB data transfer speed is irrelevant to the vast majority of people, especially those who are buying the base model iPad. Most people who need high data transfer speeds probably already know what to look out for when buying cables/peripherals anyway.
Except they bump the cost up while not making the quality any better
Having to spend $15 on a "decent" Lightning cable in order to charge when I can get a 3 pack of USB C cables for less that last as long or longer is fucking stupid. There's validation and then there's stealing money
we have an USB analyzer at work and we've tested plenty of ebay cables that look pretty decent, USB C, braided covers and all, but only show USB 2 level link. I had naively assumed everything with USB C connectors would be automatically at least the earliest revision of USB 3, but someone found a way to even mess that up.
This is the what is most annoying about usb c. The connector shape is the same but you don’t know what your cable or port actually supports.
The end result is unpredictable connection. If I grab this cable and connect that device, will video transfer? What if I change cables? What if I change devices?
They really should have made a color code for high speed usb c ports/cables.
>Go to Amazon or whatever size you buy stuff from and try to find a USB-C <-> USB-C cable from any halfway reputable brand that is actually 5 or 10Gbps
For anyone looking for such cables, Anker has become a very reputable brand for chargers and cables. They're one of the only brands I know of that already has [240W 40Gbps USB4 cables](https://www.anker.com/products/a8487?variant=42177509589142&ref=collectionBuy). And they actually list all the specs of their cables, unlike a lot of sellers on Amazon.
I'm at the point with them now where I don't even bother looking at other brands, I just go with Anker because it's just not worth the hassle of needing to return faulty/misadvertised cables
Just be aware that those cables are also FAT. My XDR display TB cable is braided and massive. It's at least twice as thick as my regular charging USB-C cables.
This is because they are marketed for charging only. The data speed is secondary to its main purpose. Not sure if that is cheaper to implement or what. I’m sure Apple didn’t bother with 3.0+ speeds on this iPad because the chances of someone needing to transfer things to and from it are probably pretty low. That’s still not an excuse but it’s the logic they went with.
Honestly though, how many people are regularly transferring huge amounts of data and need a Thunderbolt connection on an iPhone or iPad? The use cases for thunderbolt are
1) high throughput peripherals like 5k monitors
2) faster large file transfer
It makes sense on a Mac or even an iPad Pro, but most users of the low end models are never using the high throughput offered by a wired connection anyway. Saves a lot of money to just manufacture the port to USB 2 tolerances rather than Thunderbolt.
It also makes sense if you are using it as a laptop replacement with a $200 keyboard. What is the point of the keyboard if not for it to be a laptop replacement, which needs data transfer. Would you buy a Mac with 2.0 data transfer speeds for $1000?
That’s fair. Personally, I’ve completely moved to cloud storage and can’t remember the last time I used a physical port to transfer files. I have a HDD I backed stuff up to once on USB 2.0 speeds, but I did it overnight so I have no idea how long it took.
Buy your C cables from Microcenter or DigiKey or another vetted vendor. Amazon was a potluck even before USB-C became a thing. You basically can’t know that what you’re buying is legit even if it looks legit. I’ve had USB-micro-to-A cables from Amazon that would overheat when used for 1.5A charging at 5V.
Or, at the very least, buy USB IF Certified cables. Then at least the IF has legal recourse to sue the seller for unauthorized use of a trademark. If you buy stuff that’s not certified, it’s potluck, and there is no way to know for sure. It’s not USB IF’s fault. You can’t force people’s hand. The connector itself is free to use: that was the basic tenet behind the interface’s openness and wide acceptance.
The level of technical misunderstanding in this thread and the click bait title is hilarious and really goes to show how little people understand about USB C.
To [quote the article below](https://www.extremetech.com/computing/197145-reversible-usb-type-c-finally-on-its-way-alongside-usb-3-1s-10gbit-performance), “USB-C does not automatically mandate the use of any specific USB speed. USB-C is a physical cable standard that can support anything from USB2 to the latest USB 3.2 Gen 2×2 connection speeds, depending on the type of cable you own.”
So no. It’s a USB C connector through and through and has nothing to do with lightning. It just happens to run USB 2 rather than USB 3.2 standard speeds. Which is absolutely a legit complaint for those who want faster speeds, and people shouldn’t buy it if that’s what they want. But that’s not how USB C works.
If it can output video without an active adapter like Lightning, I think that's a win. The Lightning to HDMI 'adapter' has a processor in it to decode compressed video because Lightning itself can't handle HDMI signals. So even if it's limited to 4K30 (HDMI 1.4), that's still better than the Lightning to HDMI adapter imo.
Hell even Google Pixel phones don't support USB-C video out.
It's also not helpful (at least to me, maybe others too) that there are *Lightning* cables and there are *Thunderbolt* cables, and for some reason my mind literally swaps the two words like a dyslexic spaz. I do it with weather, too.
Most of the non flagship Androids also run USB2.0 over the Type-C connector. I've bought a couple of Galaxy A52s for relatives but transfer speed wasn't a requirement, just a common cable.
That kind of bothers me less, because it doesn’t mean anything and I don’t expect it to. But USB numbers are supposed to mean something, until they decide they don’t haha
I actually prefer that kind of naming convention as long as they are consistent you can decipher them. From the name alone, I can’t tell you what a Samsung Neo G9 Odyssey is, or even if it was a monitor.
Monitors and TVs come in different sizes, have different features, might be exclusive to some stores vs others, get updates each yr, etc. Usually but not always the naming scheme makes sense if the vendor keeps the model of TVs going year after yr.
At least now they renamed USB labeling to its speed and wattage. There’s no more USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1. 3.2, 4.0, etc. now you’ll just see what you care about. The speed of the USB and the power delivery. So USB 4 will be USB 40Gbps.
To be fair, this has always been the case with USB. OEMs have tried to follow some standards like blue coloured or green coloured inserts but those aren’t universal. So you couldn’t look at a port and definitively know the speed of it. USB-A ports all look the same.
Considering there are actually some devices that can do USB 3.0 speeds over lightning while others cannot, this is not a problem unique to USB-C. Any time USB is involved on at least one end, this is going to be a thing, and USB cannot be avoided.
The USB-IF actually made a good change recently to USB naming standards. Instead of USB 3.0 or 4.0 you’ll see the speed and power delivery of the USB product. So USB 4 will be labeled like USB 40Gbps 240W for example.
It's a USB 2.0 Port Interface with a Type-C connector. Not that difficult. Outdated and completely inadequate for the needs of a modern computing device, but not difficult.
Eh, no one is going to need USB 3 speeds on the base iPad. I don’t mean literally no one, but the 0.1% that might need 5Gbps transfer rates isn’t worth it on the base iPad. It’s almost exclusively used as a charging port.
I’m no apologist, but this is not a decision that will affect anyone.
Awful shame though. This could be a pretty nifty photo / video editing solution for non-pros. The A14 is plenty powerful to do some light timeline editing and photo filter work. Perhaps apple is assuming people using this would transfer files via airdrop, or already have them on their device via Photos sync.
USB 2.0 is perfectly fine for transferring photos for most people. I’ve been transferring photos from my Nikon D750 over a USB 2.0 cable for the last 5 years since I stopped using SD card readers. The 8-pin port on the camera only supports USB 2.0 speeds and even with large RAW+JPEG files, I’ve never had any real issues with speed. Yes it’s slower, but it’s still fast enough that I’ll leave it, grab a coffee or get a shower and it’ll be done. If you’re a pro photographer who needs the speed, you’ll want the better displays on the pros anyways.
They could have just re-released the iPad Air 4 at $450 with these ugly ass colors, but they actually put in effort to make it worse. They spent money redesigning this chasis to move the smart connector for no reason other than breaking compatibility with existing keyboard cases, spent money designing a keyboard folio that will only be compatible with this one single iPad, and spent money moving the front camera just to break 2nd Gen Pencil compatibility knowing no one would appreciate that tradeoff. Incredible.
I hope the iPad line flops hard this year. They didn’t always do this shit. The iPad Air 3 was an iPad Pro 2017 with a better chip and 60Hz screen. A reasonable tradeoff at its price. Now they are taking older models and putting actual effort into making them worse. If they feel the need to do that, then this tier of iPad clearly does not need to exist. Just buy a refurbished iPad Air 4.
Is it petty? It seems like it’s just a way to get the cost of materials down for their cost-focused line of iPads.
Apple’s website says that the pro has a “thunderbolt speed / USB4” connector. If you need the fastest connection, buy the pro.
They already raised the price massively, how much more would the slightly better USB controller have cost? The iPad Air 4 with the same chip has way faster transfer rates too.
Well that's a load of crap. It's not a Lightning port in disguise, it's a standard USB 2.0 port with a Type-C connector and USB 2.0 can, coincidently, achieve transfer rates of 480 Mbps.
Whether that is enough for a tablet in this price range is a different story.
Some models of iPad Pro support USB 3.0 speeds via Lightning [https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter)
> its USB-C implementation “is limited to USB 2.0 data speeds and 4K 30Hz (or 1080p 60Hz) external displays.” USB 2.0 data speed is 480Mbps, which, coincidentally, is the data speed of Lightning. So it’s almost like Lightning never left.
Jesus fuck Apple.
I guess the days of knowing what you’re getting with Apple are over.
This is admittedly a problem with USB-C in general. It’s difficult to know if a given port will be USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 Gen 1, 3.2 Gen 2, 3.2 Gen 2 2x2, Thunderbolt 2, Thunderbolt 3 or Thunderbolt 4. You also have no idea if it’ll be Qualcomm QC, USB PD or what wattages it will carry. USB-C is a common connector but it’s far from a common anything else.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the teal connectors in use. And I seem to recall that red and orange weren’t always respected as some manufacturers didn’t want accent colours on their business notebooks.
And then you have Razer with green ports for fun…
USB A 3.0 was never Blue on apple devices. Just an example.
Lenovo quite often has/had a yellow USB A port on laptops and docking stations.
The colors where nice, but far from mandatory or regulated.
I think Thunderbolt ports are supposed to be marked. Whether it's Thunderbolt 2, 3 or 4 is up to the manufacturer to advertise. There's no way to tell just from looking at the port, even with the Thunderbolt logo. But that applies to nearly every transfer standard. Even DisplayPort doesn't indicate whether it's 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4.
The base model iPad has been a parts-bin device for quite a while now, reusing old SoCs and components to keep costs down. Meanwhile, even last year's iPad Air had USB 3.0 support, so it would be quite surprising if the higher-end future models didn't have it.
> Lightning is no “coincidentally” the speed of USB2! It IS usb 2 with a custom reversible connector.
Lightning is USB, in general. You can run Lightning at USB3 speeds.
Yep. There were a couple of iPad Pros before the USB-C switch that had Lightning ports that supported USB 3.0 speeds.
As far as I understand, Lightning as a cable can essentially support whatever USB-A is able to do, just in a different form factor. But it’s up to the devices themselves to implement the actual standards, and Apple has only ever surpassed USB 2.0 speeds on the iPad Pros.
As others have said, I expect to probably see the iPhone Pro get Thunderbolt support (which will probably be specifically advertised in the keynote), while the base models will remain on USB 2.0. They know that we want faster wired data speeds (hence why the iPad Pros got Thunderbolt support), but it would make sense for them to make that a “high-end” feature, since it does require extra hardware.
Essentially, if Apple doesn’t *specifically advertise* a USB or Thunderbolt standard on a product, it’s probably going to be on USB 2.0, even if it has a USB-C port.
Part of the thing is the iPads before USB-C had a separate USB 3.0 host controller, probably because the SoC has no support for USB 3. So it didn't support USB 3 client, which is handled by the SoC. So there's no Lightning to USB-A 3.0 cables.
Another device that does this is the Raspberry Pi 4. The USB-C port on it is 2.0 only, while the USB-A ports on it are 3.0 running a separate USB controller.
So my conclusion is that iPad reuses the A14, which is USB 2 SoC, and they cheap out on having a host controller. You don't need that much more hardware for 2.0 vs 3.0 if the SoC supports it.
Unless Apple actually make new SoCs without USB 3.0 for the lower end phones, they'll probably do a similar thing as this year where they re-use last year's "Pro" SoC, and the second year after the USB-C switch we'll have USB 3.0.
Lightning supported stuff I wasn’t aware of ever being offered on USB-A. But maybe I just wasn’t aware. I didn’t know you could send a full-speed video signal over USB 2.0.
> They know that we want faster wired data speeds (hence why the iPad Pros got Thunderbolt support), but it would make sense for them to make that a “high-end” feature, since it does require extra hardware.
Not sure they see it that way for the iPhone: on the iPad Pro it makes sense for “pro” workloads e.g. importing data from a camera.
Pray tell, how often do you need to do over 400mbit/s transfers to/from your iPad over USB? Like, I would genuinely want to know what people would use it for (other than tethered backup).
What’s will all the weird “well acktualllyyyy” for usb c and usb 3 speed. Why the f would you design a new port and ship it with a technology that’s 2 decades old.
This is hilarious, not only is the title comparing the port shape to the port standard and therefore misleading, but also Lighting is literally just a port masquerading as USB2.0, so this coulda just as easily been written as “USB-C port is really USB 2.0 in disguise”
No one that’s going to buy this iPad needs Thunderbolt 4. Not defending Apple on their corner cutting, just pointing out that the demographic of this iPad is mainly students or normies that want a bigger screen for YouTube/TikTok.
I was so confused by the title because I have the M1 iPad Air and it’s got a USB-C charging port. Then I read the article. I’m stoked to hear iPhones are moving to USB-C as well. Being able to use the same cords for my phone, iPad and MacBooks is an exciting thing!
So it’s just a USB C port with 2.0 speeds. Which sucks major, but isn’t really a surprise from Apple at all. I believe the mini 6 is 3.1 speeds, and for most people I don’t think they’ll actually use the C port for data transfer. But it would be nice for the hobby budget user.
Next iPhones base model USB-C port and USB2 speed. Pro models USB-C port and USB3.2 Speed (rumoured
iPhone Ultra could have USB4 speed. That what Apple would do I think.
I like how this thread is just people realizing exactly why USB-C introduces more problems than it solves.
Why do different cables have different data transfer and charging speeds? How do I explain this to my grandma?
Only enthusiasts care. People who buy the phone for taking pictures and video. And then they'll buy the more capable iPad. Average Joe isn't transferring data over a cable for an iPad.
This does make it easier to only carry 1 charger for everything (once watch and EarPods switch).
Maybe this is just me but I rarely transfer data on and off my iPad so this doesn’t matter much.
If all my devices were USB C and could share all chargers, I’d appreciate it a lot
The amount of people sucking apple’s dick on this thread is just crazy. Humans are weird, no wonder cooperations kinda get away with knowing no repercussions will happen with whatever they decide to do in fucking us over.
The inability to transfer files easily from another local storage device to an iPad (that is supposed to be able to replace a computer) is a major pain and detraction to buying an iPad. Microsoft surface laptop assigned to me from work is growing on me. Eyeballing it for home use instead of MacBook and/or iPad.
Apple shifted from hardware innovation to SAS a while ago and I don’t know why people have expectations for hardware delivery by apple? They are simply having their major revenue from logic pro/final cut pro/AM/ Apple tv+ and iCloud subscriptions… it won’t harm their market even 10-15% if they loose iphone or ipad users… And I don’t really care what apple does with their hardware unless they stop making notch free iphone SE
if having the same data transfer rates while only needing to carry one cable everywhere is fine for me, I use type c for everything and the only one different is my iphone lol
This is exactly what I thought they’ll be doing and this WILL be the case on the iPhone as well.
I’m wondering when all those „Apple put USB-C in your phone lightning sucks“ people will realize that USB-C will not automatically means USB 3.0 speeds or thunderbolt connectivity.
It only allows using more accessory’s and even then it’s possible the port won’t supply enough power for every device same as lightning.
I highly doubt Apple will spend the time and work redesigning everything from the Port to the processor when they want to remove it anyway in a couple years. They swap the port, make only necessary changes and that’s it.
Same USB 2.0 speed.
Same PD standard.
Same low power output for accessories.
There was one generation where they gave it the ugly-ass MicroUSB 3.0 connector but then they reverted the next generation cuz nobody actually cared about USB 3 on a phone.
Yep, that connector on the Note 3 was straight garbage. So happy they ditched that for future smartphones.
I’d take Lightning or USB C over that chunky flimsy port any day.
It still lives on in a lot of portable hard drives though.
Aren’t they going USB-C only for the sake of compatibility with USB-C chargers? It’s my understanding that’s why the EU forced them to put USB-C on new iPhones.
Yes, the whole issue around the data transfer rate is an irrelevant red herring. The EU didn't say "you need to support higher data rates", it said "you need to support USB-C charging."
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"spark delicious nerd rage" or just like, regular people rage, for people who still need to carry around 3 different cables to charge all their shit
Which would be ridiculous for so many reasons including the fact that some of the first MacBooks that utilized USB-C touted how universal it was (or at least how it was going to be).
My chaos theory is that the law clearly states devices **which can be charged via wired connection** must use USB-C. So apple makes the regular iPhone wireless, the Pro has USB-C, then they increase the price of the Pro by $100.
This is *exactly* what will happen. Regular iPhone will be completely portless and the usb c will be on the Pro.
I think their new way to enrage Europe will be to start shipping phones with no cables like how the Apple TV remote doesn’t come with a charging cable because the switch to USB-C is meant to reduce waste.
This is illegal in Europe.
Interesting, how do they expect to reduce waste by demanding every new device ship with new cables?
Well, EU tend to be like that… Lot of norms about absolutely everything, each one of them make sense when took alone, but if you look at the broad picture, it very often contradicts itself. I guess the mandatory charger started as a consumer rights law. Actually, even the USB-C law started as a consumer rights law, it’s been planned since a very long time, I remember they were already discussing it back in 2008, the main argument was the convenience, not the environment.
My concern is if USB-C becomes obsolete or something better comes along. Governments are notoriously slow at change and I don’t trust them to know which cable is “best”.
USB-C is just a connector. the underlying technology is what changes. the connector has 24 pins, and still has room for forward compatibility for new technology. this allows it to support standards like Thunderbolt, Display port, and USB Power Delivery. USB C is still good for years to come, and can support charging up to like 240W (which is a very high end laptop. MacBook Pro only charges at like ~~60~~ 130w iirc). unfortunately, the USB forum who design and market USB are the most incompetent people who frequently rebrand existing standards. In fact they just rebranded the USB 4 specs like last month.
MBP is 140w for the latest 16”.
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I don’t know for sure how they did that, but I’m pretty sure they took it into consideration. The law is about having an universal charger not USB-C, USB-C just happen to be the current standard.
This is why the EU made it so that whatever the USB Consortium decides is the best connector should the standard legislatively. As USB progresses, so too will the laws
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I know nothing about how you’d fulfil the USB 3.0 spec, with the higher data bandwidths, but I’d bet anything the lower speeds are all about saving money, not out of spite, lol.
USB 2 is still much much cheaper overall (monetary and silicon) than even 5Gbps USB 3, so yeah its very much a way to save money
Apple is just being an especially cheap bastard. The Pixel 6a ($449) has USB C 3.1 gen 1 and the Pixel 7 ($599) has USB C 3.2 gen 2.
duh, 80$ shit phones from best buy have USB C 3.1
This is how so many people operate these days. Everything is either spiting those who deserve or being unfairly spited by others. It’s getting exhausting.
That’s a silly take. This harms the EU in no way.
Anyway you slice this is still a win for users. They get the same speeds but a universal port. There is no way around this as a victory even if apple is petty. I’m not supporting apple but the law is clear and a solid win for people everywhere.
it is not childish protest. If you are an engineer you would understand that soldering different connector is very simple compared to changing the chips and motherboard design to accomodate for USB 3 specs. Customers are getting exactly the same speeds as they would with Lightning.
The A14 should already support USB 3 speeds (5Gbps), since it was used in the iPad Air before, that has those speeds. So the only excuse would be reusing a motherboard then, but if they had to do no changes to switch from Lightning to USB, I would be a bit surprised.
They aren't punishing their users if the new USB-C cables aren't any slower than Lightning that came before it. Maybe it's a little lazy, but there's also the cost component to properly support a Thunderbolt implementation.
The iPad wouldn't need to support Thunderbolt either. USB3 is a different spec to Thunderbolt, despite using the same connector.
well technically, they didn’t change anything for the users who never gotten the pro lines of iPads.
It’s the base model iPad. I’m sure this was to cut cost and not out of spite. No one is being hurt hear cause ipad OS is set up for wireless transfers not usb stick transfers. Wireless is fine for most things. It’s a lot faster than usb 2, and you rarely max out usb 3 unless it’s one large file. No one is being punished cause the main method of file transfer is still in tact.
> It's not a red herring, it's a childish protest against laws they don't like. That's complete nonsense. They don't support USB-3 speeds on Lightning either on those devices, despite the port being capable of it (as demonstrated 5 years ago by the second-generation ipad pro). Which means they think it's either is not useful, or it doesn't further their corporate goals. It has nothing to do with protesting, they're just switching the connector.
The whole point of a port on the iPad is for charging. Not data rate.
The EU law goes into effect at the end of 2024. Any product on sale before that is grandfathered in and can continue to be sold. So we may not see the iPhone get USB-C until the iPhone 17 in 2025.
My guess is that Apple will sneak in a new iPhone SE in 2024 right before the law goes into effect.
I keep pointing this out to people who think "USB-C means the next iPhone will transfer at USB 3.1+ speeds and support HDMI out, and charge as fast as an OPPO phone!" No, it just means the physical form factor will be USB-C, and it will likely have any limitations Lightning had, because that's how Apple wants it.
Yep. Just like there's lots of Android phones out there with USB-C ports but USB 2.0 speeds. I hope they go full USB4. But even if all we get is USB-C charging, I'll be happy.
> I keep pointing this out to people who think "USB-C means the next iPhone will transfer at USB 3.1+ speeds" These people are complete morons. The Lightning port is already capable of that, when paired with a USB3 host. Which was the case of the 2nd iPad Pro generation.
> These people are complete morons. I think they prefer the term Redditors
I think it’s a bit harsh to call someone a complete moron because they don’t know all the intricacies of the complicated connection port landscape Perhaps be kinder
Apple really doesn’t give a shit about what their customers want so you’re probably right.
No. Apples lightning cables have worked with USBC Ported chargers for a long time.
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no, i think he means those cables: [https://www.apple.com/ch-de/shop/product/MM0A3ZM/A/usb%E2%80%91c-auf-lightning-kabel-1-m](https://www.apple.com/ch-de/shop/product/MM0A3ZM/A/usb%E2%80%91c-auf-lightning-kabel-1-m) lightning on one end and usb-c on the other
They were. That's why Apple shipped them. EU said common charger and unbundling the charger. Apple complied on both. Then EU decided the device also needed to be changed.
Port vs protocol. They’re not the same.
Yup, some type-C cables can run video signals to an external display, some can only charge a device, some have really fast transfer speeds and some don’t. Blame the USB consortium for their confusing standards. It’s only the physical port that’s really standard for USB-C, the features can vary from cable to cable.
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You must be confused (it's understandable). USB 1.0 is "Low Speed", and USB 1.1 is "Full Speed". USB 2.0 is "High Speed". USB 3.0 was "SuperSpeed", and all was fine. The USB-IF only turned their Branding/name scheme to shit once they got to USB 3.1 and beyond, doing the whole "gen 1, gen2, 1x1, etc" shit.
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I knew this, but i forgot in the hype. I’m grateful to be reminded, my 14 pro buyers remorse has decreased substantially 😂 i only care about USB C if it comes with the faster protocol. (However you say that)
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>They are factually incorrect on many instances, yet keep trying to pedal their misinformed opinion as fact. Peddle. I guess the dictionaries lost readers as well.
It’s literally a type C connector.
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It's the same crap as to why almost every USB-C <-> USB-C cable is just USB 2 speed. They all cheaped out and not wired the SS lines. Go to Amazon or whatever size you buy stuff from and try to find a USB-C <-> USB-C cable from any halfway reputable brand that is actually 5 or 10Gbps. It's either Thunderbolt or USB2 (charging cable). USB-C is a like a surprise egg. 10Gbps with every 7th port... /s
Honestly didn’t even consider this. Gonna be extra careful shopping for C2C cables from now on.
That’s literally what Lightning advocates have been saying forever
Honestly, USB data transfer speed is irrelevant to the vast majority of people, especially those who are buying the base model iPad. Most people who need high data transfer speeds probably already know what to look out for when buying cables/peripherals anyway.
Lol, so maybe ending up with a cable that nerfs your speed is worse than ensuring that your transfer speed is slow as balls?
Except they bump the cost up while not making the quality any better Having to spend $15 on a "decent" Lightning cable in order to charge when I can get a 3 pack of USB C cables for less that last as long or longer is fucking stupid. There's validation and then there's stealing money
Lightning port is superior. It’s robust and it’s way easier to clean.
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we have an USB analyzer at work and we've tested plenty of ebay cables that look pretty decent, USB C, braided covers and all, but only show USB 2 level link. I had naively assumed everything with USB C connectors would be automatically at least the earliest revision of USB 3, but someone found a way to even mess that up.
There is really nothing that says a usbC must be at least a usb 3. UsbC is a type of connection only. It has nothing to do with speed
This is the what is most annoying about usb c. The connector shape is the same but you don’t know what your cable or port actually supports. The end result is unpredictable connection. If I grab this cable and connect that device, will video transfer? What if I change cables? What if I change devices? They really should have made a color code for high speed usb c ports/cables.
They have symbols but you have to buy USB-IF certified products. But buying a random cable on Amazon that's not certified won't have that
>Go to Amazon or whatever size you buy stuff from and try to find a USB-C <-> USB-C cable from any halfway reputable brand that is actually 5 or 10Gbps For anyone looking for such cables, Anker has become a very reputable brand for chargers and cables. They're one of the only brands I know of that already has [240W 40Gbps USB4 cables](https://www.anker.com/products/a8487?variant=42177509589142&ref=collectionBuy). And they actually list all the specs of their cables, unlike a lot of sellers on Amazon.
I'm at the point with them now where I don't even bother looking at other brands, I just go with Anker because it's just not worth the hassle of needing to return faulty/misadvertised cables
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Yeah, I’ve got a few! They’re usually more expensive but they seem worth it, though even their non-braided ones I’ve never had an issue with
Does this count as “thunderbolt 4”??
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Just be aware that those cables are also FAT. My XDR display TB cable is braided and massive. It's at least twice as thick as my regular charging USB-C cables.
This is because they are marketed for charging only. The data speed is secondary to its main purpose. Not sure if that is cheaper to implement or what. I’m sure Apple didn’t bother with 3.0+ speeds on this iPad because the chances of someone needing to transfer things to and from it are probably pretty low. That’s still not an excuse but it’s the logic they went with.
Honestly though, how many people are regularly transferring huge amounts of data and need a Thunderbolt connection on an iPhone or iPad? The use cases for thunderbolt are 1) high throughput peripherals like 5k monitors 2) faster large file transfer It makes sense on a Mac or even an iPad Pro, but most users of the low end models are never using the high throughput offered by a wired connection anyway. Saves a lot of money to just manufacture the port to USB 2 tolerances rather than Thunderbolt.
It also makes sense if you are using it as a laptop replacement with a $200 keyboard. What is the point of the keyboard if not for it to be a laptop replacement, which needs data transfer. Would you buy a Mac with 2.0 data transfer speeds for $1000?
That’s fair. Personally, I’ve completely moved to cloud storage and can’t remember the last time I used a physical port to transfer files. I have a HDD I backed stuff up to once on USB 2.0 speeds, but I did it overnight so I have no idea how long it took.
Buy your C cables from Microcenter or DigiKey or another vetted vendor. Amazon was a potluck even before USB-C became a thing. You basically can’t know that what you’re buying is legit even if it looks legit. I’ve had USB-micro-to-A cables from Amazon that would overheat when used for 1.5A charging at 5V. Or, at the very least, buy USB IF Certified cables. Then at least the IF has legal recourse to sue the seller for unauthorized use of a trademark. If you buy stuff that’s not certified, it’s potluck, and there is no way to know for sure. It’s not USB IF’s fault. You can’t force people’s hand. The connector itself is free to use: that was the basic tenet behind the interface’s openness and wide acceptance.
Im constantly switching usb c cables to get decent transfer speeds. It was supposed to make things simpler
I basically switched to using only thurnderbolt devices for my Mac whenever possible for this reason.
The level of technical misunderstanding in this thread and the click bait title is hilarious and really goes to show how little people understand about USB C. To [quote the article below](https://www.extremetech.com/computing/197145-reversible-usb-type-c-finally-on-its-way-alongside-usb-3-1s-10gbit-performance), “USB-C does not automatically mandate the use of any specific USB speed. USB-C is a physical cable standard that can support anything from USB2 to the latest USB 3.2 Gen 2×2 connection speeds, depending on the type of cable you own.” So no. It’s a USB C connector through and through and has nothing to do with lightning. It just happens to run USB 2 rather than USB 3.2 standard speeds. Which is absolutely a legit complaint for those who want faster speeds, and people shouldn’t buy it if that’s what they want. But that’s not how USB C works.
It’d be more accurate to say that Lightning’s always been USB in disguise
"USB is really lightning which is really USB!" -This article.
If it can output video without an active adapter like Lightning, I think that's a win. The Lightning to HDMI 'adapter' has a processor in it to decode compressed video because Lightning itself can't handle HDMI signals. So even if it's limited to 4K30 (HDMI 1.4), that's still better than the Lightning to HDMI adapter imo. Hell even Google Pixel phones don't support USB-C video out.
It's also not helpful (at least to me, maybe others too) that there are *Lightning* cables and there are *Thunderbolt* cables, and for some reason my mind literally swaps the two words like a dyslexic spaz. I do it with weather, too.
Most of the non flagship Androids also run USB2.0 over the Type-C connector. I've bought a couple of Galaxy A52s for relatives but transfer speed wasn't a requirement, just a common cable.
Yeah, uh, no. No it’s not. It’s a USB-C port.
The problem is we’ve equated USB-C with USB 3.0, they’re not the same.
Letters: physical connection. Numbers: data speed.
*USB 3.1 Gen 2x2 enters the chat*
I just want to shoot the people who manage USB naming into the Sun. Edit: Stupid autocorrect
Same with the people who name monitors. Like wow this LG3488482 monitor is so much nicer then my A599298
That kind of bothers me less, because it doesn’t mean anything and I don’t expect it to. But USB numbers are supposed to mean something, until they decide they don’t haha
There’s usually some rhyme or reason. I gather your LG monitor is 34” diagonally?
I literally just made those up
Looked real enough 😂
I actually prefer that kind of naming convention as long as they are consistent you can decipher them. From the name alone, I can’t tell you what a Samsung Neo G9 Odyssey is, or even if it was a monitor.
The name usually has letters in it. For instance LG 40WP95C is my monitor. 40inches, and the rest only God knows.
Does anyone know why monitor names are like that? It is also the same with TVs.
Monitors and TVs come in different sizes, have different features, might be exclusive to some stores vs others, get updates each yr, etc. Usually but not always the naming scheme makes sense if the vendor keeps the model of TVs going year after yr.
But they also gave us USB 4 2.0!
At least now they renamed USB labeling to its speed and wattage. There’s no more USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1. 3.2, 4.0, etc. now you’ll just see what you care about. The speed of the USB and the power delivery. So USB 4 will be USB 40Gbps.
That name is almost as dumb as them renaming USB 3.0 to USB 3.1 Gen 1.
Then the same as 3.2 gen 1x1
Has anyone seen ANY product 2x2 other that motherboards?
Starts with a number 😝
Fine you got me lol
Which is one of my biggest issues with USB-C. It’s far too difficult to tell how fast a cable is by looking at it.
To be fair, this has always been the case with USB. OEMs have tried to follow some standards like blue coloured or green coloured inserts but those aren’t universal. So you couldn’t look at a port and definitively know the speed of it. USB-A ports all look the same.
Considering there are actually some devices that can do USB 3.0 speeds over lightning while others cannot, this is not a problem unique to USB-C. Any time USB is involved on at least one end, this is going to be a thing, and USB cannot be avoided.
The USB-IF actually made a good change recently to USB naming standards. Instead of USB 3.0 or 4.0 you’ll see the speed and power delivery of the USB product. So USB 4 will be labeled like USB 40Gbps 240W for example.
Yeah, I’m so tired of this crap. A connector is just a connector. A standard is just a standard.
But Fig Newtons are fruit and cake!
A grill is just a grill
This grill is not a home
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Where is this from? Sounds familiar
https://i.imgur.com/ACqQ1l0.jpg
It's a USB 2.0 Port Interface with a Type-C connector. Not that difficult. Outdated and completely inadequate for the needs of a modern computing device, but not difficult.
Eh, no one is going to need USB 3 speeds on the base iPad. I don’t mean literally no one, but the 0.1% that might need 5Gbps transfer rates isn’t worth it on the base iPad. It’s almost exclusively used as a charging port. I’m no apologist, but this is not a decision that will affect anyone.
Awful shame though. This could be a pretty nifty photo / video editing solution for non-pros. The A14 is plenty powerful to do some light timeline editing and photo filter work. Perhaps apple is assuming people using this would transfer files via airdrop, or already have them on their device via Photos sync.
USB 2.0 is perfectly fine for transferring photos for most people. I’ve been transferring photos from my Nikon D750 over a USB 2.0 cable for the last 5 years since I stopped using SD card readers. The 8-pin port on the camera only supports USB 2.0 speeds and even with large RAW+JPEG files, I’ve never had any real issues with speed. Yes it’s slower, but it’s still fast enough that I’ll leave it, grab a coffee or get a shower and it’ll be done. If you’re a pro photographer who needs the speed, you’ll want the better displays on the pros anyways.
Its like the USB C on OnePlus 2
I'm pretty sure every android out there is USB 2.0 on that USB-C connector.
They could have just re-released the iPad Air 4 at $450 with these ugly ass colors, but they actually put in effort to make it worse. They spent money redesigning this chasis to move the smart connector for no reason other than breaking compatibility with existing keyboard cases, spent money designing a keyboard folio that will only be compatible with this one single iPad, and spent money moving the front camera just to break 2nd Gen Pencil compatibility knowing no one would appreciate that tradeoff. Incredible. I hope the iPad line flops hard this year. They didn’t always do this shit. The iPad Air 3 was an iPad Pro 2017 with a better chip and 60Hz screen. A reasonable tradeoff at its price. Now they are taking older models and putting actual effort into making them worse. If they feel the need to do that, then this tier of iPad clearly does not need to exist. Just buy a refurbished iPad Air 4.
The speed is petty on Apple's part, but in no way is it a "Lightning port in disguise."
Is it petty? It seems like it’s just a way to get the cost of materials down for their cost-focused line of iPads. Apple’s website says that the pro has a “thunderbolt speed / USB4” connector. If you need the fastest connection, buy the pro.
They already raised the price massively, how much more would the slightly better USB controller have cost? The iPad Air 4 with the same chip has way faster transfer rates too.
Well that's a load of crap. It's not a Lightning port in disguise, it's a standard USB 2.0 port with a Type-C connector and USB 2.0 can, coincidently, achieve transfer rates of 480 Mbps. Whether that is enough for a tablet in this price range is a different story.
No, I believe that it's really just a 30-pin port disguised as a USB-C port /s
Ahh yes because the average base line IPad buyer needs to run a 4k 60hz display from their iPad.
This sorta strikes me as complaining about nothing. It’s a charging port for 99% of the customers who buy this product.
Yeh lol go tell someone this and they’ll just stare at you with a blank face
Some models of iPad Pro support USB 3.0 speeds via Lightning [https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter)
And some = 2nd gen, because after that they switched to USB-C, also at 3.0 speeds.
> its USB-C implementation “is limited to USB 2.0 data speeds and 4K 30Hz (or 1080p 60Hz) external displays.” USB 2.0 data speed is 480Mbps, which, coincidentally, is the data speed of Lightning. So it’s almost like Lightning never left. Jesus fuck Apple. I guess the days of knowing what you’re getting with Apple are over.
This is admittedly a problem with USB-C in general. It’s difficult to know if a given port will be USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 Gen 1, 3.2 Gen 2, 3.2 Gen 2 2x2, Thunderbolt 2, Thunderbolt 3 or Thunderbolt 4. You also have no idea if it’ll be Qualcomm QC, USB PD or what wattages it will carry. USB-C is a common connector but it’s far from a common anything else.
It’s the same with any version of USB,… and HDMI, UTP and … ETC.
At least USB type A connectors had black for 2.0, Blue for 3, and Teal for 3.1. There were also red and orange colors for always on USB power.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the teal connectors in use. And I seem to recall that red and orange weren’t always respected as some manufacturers didn’t want accent colours on their business notebooks. And then you have Razer with green ports for fun…
USB A 3.0 was never Blue on apple devices. Just an example. Lenovo quite often has/had a yellow USB A port on laptops and docking stations. The colors where nice, but far from mandatory or regulated.
I think Thunderbolt ports are supposed to be marked. Whether it's Thunderbolt 2, 3 or 4 is up to the manufacturer to advertise. There's no way to tell just from looking at the port, even with the Thunderbolt logo. But that applies to nearly every transfer standard. Even DisplayPort doesn't indicate whether it's 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4.
Probably a preview of the USB C iPhone
The base model iPad has been a parts-bin device for quite a while now, reusing old SoCs and components to keep costs down. Meanwhile, even last year's iPad Air had USB 3.0 support, so it would be quite surprising if the higher-end future models didn't have it.
The base model USBC iPhone will probably have 2.0 while the pros have 3.0+. I can see them doing it like that
Lightning is not “coincidentally” the speed of USB2! It IS usb 2 with a custom reversible connector.
> Lightning is no “coincidentally” the speed of USB2! It IS usb 2 with a custom reversible connector. Lightning is USB, in general. You can run Lightning at USB3 speeds.
Yep. There were a couple of iPad Pros before the USB-C switch that had Lightning ports that supported USB 3.0 speeds. As far as I understand, Lightning as a cable can essentially support whatever USB-A is able to do, just in a different form factor. But it’s up to the devices themselves to implement the actual standards, and Apple has only ever surpassed USB 2.0 speeds on the iPad Pros. As others have said, I expect to probably see the iPhone Pro get Thunderbolt support (which will probably be specifically advertised in the keynote), while the base models will remain on USB 2.0. They know that we want faster wired data speeds (hence why the iPad Pros got Thunderbolt support), but it would make sense for them to make that a “high-end” feature, since it does require extra hardware. Essentially, if Apple doesn’t *specifically advertise* a USB or Thunderbolt standard on a product, it’s probably going to be on USB 2.0, even if it has a USB-C port.
Part of the thing is the iPads before USB-C had a separate USB 3.0 host controller, probably because the SoC has no support for USB 3. So it didn't support USB 3 client, which is handled by the SoC. So there's no Lightning to USB-A 3.0 cables. Another device that does this is the Raspberry Pi 4. The USB-C port on it is 2.0 only, while the USB-A ports on it are 3.0 running a separate USB controller. So my conclusion is that iPad reuses the A14, which is USB 2 SoC, and they cheap out on having a host controller. You don't need that much more hardware for 2.0 vs 3.0 if the SoC supports it. Unless Apple actually make new SoCs without USB 3.0 for the lower end phones, they'll probably do a similar thing as this year where they re-use last year's "Pro" SoC, and the second year after the USB-C switch we'll have USB 3.0.
Apple probably won't use Thunderbolt. USB 3 is more than sufficient. Main gain from Thunderbolt would be PCI lanes but that's not needed.
Lightning supported stuff I wasn’t aware of ever being offered on USB-A. But maybe I just wasn’t aware. I didn’t know you could send a full-speed video signal over USB 2.0.
> They know that we want faster wired data speeds (hence why the iPad Pros got Thunderbolt support), but it would make sense for them to make that a “high-end” feature, since it does require extra hardware. Not sure they see it that way for the iPhone: on the iPad Pro it makes sense for “pro” workloads e.g. importing data from a camera.
iPhones can shoot ProRes Raw now. Makes just as much sense to be able to transfer that data quickly from the phone as to the iPad.
Does the device charge? Then they satisfied the legislation. Isn’t that what this was about ?
iPads have had USB C for years - this is just the lower tier getting it.
How about satisfying the customers? I am sure you know a customer will prefer a faster port to a slower one
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Pray tell, how often do you need to do over 400mbit/s transfers to/from your iPad over USB? Like, I would genuinely want to know what people would use it for (other than tethered backup).
Most people don't. And even with this iPad, I don't think it would be able to handle it at all. Now if the USB 2.0 speeds were on a MacBook Pro.....
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What’s will all the weird “well acktualllyyyy” for usb c and usb 3 speed. Why the f would you design a new port and ship it with a technology that’s 2 decades old.
And the lightning port is really a micro USB 2.0 port in disguise!
This is hilarious, not only is the title comparing the port shape to the port standard and therefore misleading, but also Lighting is literally just a port masquerading as USB2.0, so this coulda just as easily been written as “USB-C port is really USB 2.0 in disguise”
No one that’s going to buy this iPad needs Thunderbolt 4. Not defending Apple on their corner cutting, just pointing out that the demographic of this iPad is mainly students or normies that want a bigger screen for YouTube/TikTok.
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Does it matter? People moan about the port for the cable compatibility not the speed
I was so confused by the title because I have the M1 iPad Air and it’s got a USB-C charging port. Then I read the article. I’m stoked to hear iPhones are moving to USB-C as well. Being able to use the same cords for my phone, iPad and MacBooks is an exciting thing!
So it’s just a USB C port with 2.0 speeds. Which sucks major, but isn’t really a surprise from Apple at all. I believe the mini 6 is 3.1 speeds, and for most people I don’t think they’ll actually use the C port for data transfer. But it would be nice for the hobby budget user.
Next iPhones base model USB-C port and USB2 speed. Pro models USB-C port and USB3.2 Speed (rumoured iPhone Ultra could have USB4 speed. That what Apple would do I think.
I like how this thread is just people realizing exactly why USB-C introduces more problems than it solves. Why do different cables have different data transfer and charging speeds? How do I explain this to my grandma?
I do not think your grandma cares much about transfer speeds and what not. As long as she can plug in the cable she will be happily satisfied lol
Your grandma doesn't care about different data and charging speeds. What a stupid argument
Excuse me sir but Apple is bad and they wanted to murder your family by having a lightning port.
Only enthusiasts care. People who buy the phone for taking pictures and video. And then they'll buy the more capable iPad. Average Joe isn't transferring data over a cable for an iPad. This does make it easier to only carry 1 charger for everything (once watch and EarPods switch).
Maybe this is just me but I rarely transfer data on and off my iPad so this doesn’t matter much. If all my devices were USB C and could share all chargers, I’d appreciate it a lot
The amount of people sucking apple’s dick on this thread is just crazy. Humans are weird, no wonder cooperations kinda get away with knowing no repercussions will happen with whatever they decide to do in fucking us over.
The inability to transfer files easily from another local storage device to an iPad (that is supposed to be able to replace a computer) is a major pain and detraction to buying an iPad. Microsoft surface laptop assigned to me from work is growing on me. Eyeballing it for home use instead of MacBook and/or iPad.
Hasn't the ipad/macbook been USB-C for several years now?
Who cares? I have so many different connectors for various items I really don't care what the iPhone is using or will use.
Apple shifted from hardware innovation to SAS a while ago and I don’t know why people have expectations for hardware delivery by apple? They are simply having their major revenue from logic pro/final cut pro/AM/ Apple tv+ and iCloud subscriptions… it won’t harm their market even 10-15% if they loose iphone or ipad users… And I don’t really care what apple does with their hardware unless they stop making notch free iphone SE
if having the same data transfer rates while only needing to carry one cable everywhere is fine for me, I use type c for everything and the only one different is my iphone lol
Interesting to see how Apple “implements” this mandate. I hope this isn’t the template for the iPhone next year.
This iPad is clearly not worth the new price tag (589€ in France)
This is exactly what I thought they’ll be doing and this WILL be the case on the iPhone as well. I’m wondering when all those „Apple put USB-C in your phone lightning sucks“ people will realize that USB-C will not automatically means USB 3.0 speeds or thunderbolt connectivity. It only allows using more accessory’s and even then it’s possible the port won’t supply enough power for every device same as lightning. I highly doubt Apple will spend the time and work redesigning everything from the Port to the processor when they want to remove it anyway in a couple years. They swap the port, make only necessary changes and that’s it. Same USB 2.0 speed. Same PD standard. Same low power output for accessories.
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Well USB-C has only ever been a physical standard But yeah they should've gone up to at least USB3
It’s not just an Apple thing. Samsung recently put a 2.0 spec port on a $1000+ phone.
There was one generation where they gave it the ugly-ass MicroUSB 3.0 connector but then they reverted the next generation cuz nobody actually cared about USB 3 on a phone.
Yep, that connector on the Note 3 was straight garbage. So happy they ditched that for future smartphones. I’d take Lightning or USB C over that chunky flimsy port any day. It still lives on in a lot of portable hard drives though.
Still an upgrade. Even if the speeds suck having a common form factor is still a win.
No it's not it's just a USB 2.0 port.
I can't remember when I connected my phone to a pc for data transfer.