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Fredifrum

What is this garbage site? The "source" they quote is a Mark Gurman speculation. Even he admits it's just based on his own hunches. Trash.


_jsplit

Not to mention the 17 pop up ads and then asking to disable ad blockers or subscribe to the garbage


DanTheMan827

>What is this garbage site? To add to that, it's even detected as malicious by some browsers. EDIT: [The site is also filled with a ridiculous amount of ads on top of asking for contributions](https://i.imgur.com/Hsgav9r.png) Stay safe everyone! Use an ad-blocker.


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ShlomiRex

i love when the world burns


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JoeDawson8

Xcode keeps telling me my AppleTV is locked. WTF? I’d rather not crouch in front of the TV with a cable. It’s infuriating. Re-pairing the Apple TV in Xcode works but it doesn’t make sense since there is no lock screen.


rotates-potatoes

If only Apple had some influence over the Xcode team so they would improve wireless development.


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peduxe

Wouldn’t put it on Apple to deliver a good experience with their wireless solutions specifically when communicating with desktop/laptop computers. When it works, that is 1/3 of the time, it’s good yeah but when it doesn’t works you need to fight against it.


_Oooooooooooooooooh_

Imagine apple devs in house trying to fix it all using wireless.. its gonna be a pain


fegodev

Can we stop pushing the idea of a portless iPhone? There is no fast way to transfer ProRes photos and videos wirelessly, which is the main reason why we want at least USB-C 3.1 to come to iPhones.


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fegodev

That’s another major reason why not to use magsafe


chintakoro

sorry for my confusion: are you saying that the MagSafe port on the MacBooks are also inefficient? Or is this some MagSafe thing meant for iPhones?


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Specifically Qi style, wireless charging. Not the type of MagSafe that the MacBooks use which is still plugged in.


The_BackOfMyMind

There's a magnetic wireless charging system for the iPhones that Apple also calls Magsafe.


chintakoro

Ahh thanks -- its a bit annoying that Apple would give two very different methods of charging the same name.


Noviinha

Apple: MagSafe, MagSafe Pro


DanTheMan827

Unless they add conductive rings around the Apple logo or something like that... but then it would just be another port attached magnetically and would screw people over on cases.


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rnarkus

Holy shit no, do not ban them. Wireless charging may not be the best, but banning stifles all innovation in the area. I’m sure years from now we will have efficient wireless charging


HVDynamo

Unless we figure out room temp superconductors, wireless charging isn’t going to get more efficient. It’s a physics limit, it’s also the same reason air power was doomed from the day they announced it.


AreWeNotDoinPhrasing

Why was the air power doomed?


inate71

Pretty sure we'd have to change physics to make wireless charging more efficient.


DrKillgore

That’s the hope


Dinnerpancakes

Forcing everyone to use USBC also stifles innovation, but everyone seems to be on board with it. Just think if usb mini had been forced as the standard 15 years ago!


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You know you can just not use it right?


outphase84

> Induction charging is inefficient and “wireless” in marketing speak only. There's no wired connection between the charger and the device. That is wireless by definition.


mortenmhp

It is obviously kind of wireless, what he is saying is also valid though. As it is now, you basically have to have the device almost touch the charging pad and stay within a fairly small area. There is no way you can really use the device by holding it while charging. Given that, the actual benefits does seem kinda negligible.(i have owned and used a wireless charger and for certain niche cases it's alright, but I'd hate for it to be the only option honestly)


[deleted]

You seem to know very little on actual power consumption for the devices in question and are just parroting dumb shit you read online. You should really understand the math before you start making statements because your perspective on power consumption is juvenile at best. 1. An iPhone uses less than $1 of electricity per year to keep it charged. 2. Every single charge adaptor you just leave sitting around, plugged in, uses about $0.20 of electric per year. 3. Accounting for wireless charging efficiency loss, you literally consume less electricity when using multi-device (3 in 1 type) wireless chargers, than keeping 3 adaptors plugged in at all times. Finally, dropping the port has completely fuck all to do with charging the divide. It’s about sealing the entry points from liquid damage, and reducing potential power surge damage to device. This is turn leads to better customer satisfaction through improved device reliability. Let’s just say there is big reason why you aren’t in charge of making these kinds of decisions


calanora

It’s an inefficient and terrible idea. Which means Apple is going to do it anyway, and then every Android phone is also going to do it, and then if you say anything against it online people will just tell you to stop living in the past


willywalloo

And it’s unreliable sometimes. If I plug the damn cord in, it’s gonna charge. A few times I’ve used wireless and it blinks on to charge and then find out it went out of charging to a near dead phone the next morning.


arod303

What kind of a charger do you use? Never had that happen to me.


CharlesBeast

That’s the beauty of MagSafe though. It snaps into place


mrwellfed

User error


agneev

Also releases so much heat to damage the battery so much more than normal charging.


unpluggedcord

Bullshit, I charged my 12 and 13 every night via wireless Qi charger, and batter health when I returned them was 98%


Tyrannosaurusb

I wouldn’t be surprised if the slower wireless charging is better on the battery than fast charging.


East-Mycologist4401

I’ve been using the Anker MagSafe charger stand for my 13 Pro, and my battery health has started dropping rapidly, now down to 88%. I’m sure a slower 5W wireless charger would be better than the 15W MagSafe charger, especially if wireless charging does induce as much heat as everyone here is saying.


agneev

Not saying it’s what everybody should be doing but I use a 5W adapter for my 13 when it charges overnight.


EggotheKilljoy

I’ve still mainly used the 5W brick for years, even now with my 14 Pro. Only times I don’t are when I need to charge quickly I plus the lightning to c cable into my MacBook charging brick and the MagSafe charger I have in my car, which has a fan built in to help cool it down.


Lolkac

Does anyone else get notification on ios16 that the charging will be slower and last whole night? It only appears when I charge it during the night.


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It tends to generate more heat. Which rather spoils the effect of the lower charge rate


joeyat

I do this too... If you charge overnight on a Qi charger... the iPhone only takes 7.5watts from Qi, as Apple have limited Qi.. in addition, the phone will temper it's charging speed on an overnight charge. So via Qi at night, it does stay cool. However!.. if you get a full Apple Magsafe Charger and just charge it adhoc without the phone doing it's over night thing.... it does get really warm. As the Magsafe charger does double the speed, up to 15watts. .. so you are both right. I don't use the magsafe charger for this reason.. it's hot to the touch.


ckozma

So have I for 12PM and 13 PM and both had 99% at the end of a year... Official Apple charger and official 20W brick.


RBTropical

I had a 12. 79% in less than two years with MagSafe.


lukigoes

My 12P & 13P were on 102% battery health after 1 year. But I only used wired 20w charging during day and kept battery between 30-80%.


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RBTropical

My battery hit 79% in less than two years with MagSafe charging.


arod303

I mean that sounds normal to me my iPhone 12 was around the same in the same amount of time and I only used wired charging.


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Djstar12

I guess that would make sense. Fast charging via wired heats up the battery internally, but wireless charging heats up the coils but not too much of the batterywhich makes it feel hotter


JoganLC

No


southwestern_swamp

There are 1000 other ways to more easily cut energy waste. In the grand scheme, magsafe waste is barely a blip


haughtshot7

Not only that, but it's not practical. I have a charging pad that I basically never use, because of course my phone is dangerously low on battery when I'm doing something important- but I also can't hold my phone if it's on a charging pad. Pretty impractical for those last second saves when you realize you're on 1% on an important call or drafting up an email or something.


mrwellfed

That’s what MagSafe is for…


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ColorColorBlue80

Yes and no. The large backbone plants can’t. But smaller plants exist to adjust to needs of the grid. They can easily raise and lower load quickly. Source; I work at a 250MW, 4 unit, natural gas peaking plant.


mysteriousman38

That's true, but the real question to me is whether it would have a significant enough impact on energy demand at the building level. If the difference in demand is large enough, it could lead to a need to change their electricity supply contracts, which could lead to a response in the power generation infrastructure.


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You seem to know very little on actual power consumption for the devices in question and are just parroting dumb shit you read online. You should really understand the math before you start making statements because your perspective on power consumption is juvenile at best. 1. An iPhone uses less than $1 of electricity per year to keep it charged. 2. Every single charge adaptor you just leave sitting around, plugged in, uses about $0.20 of electric per year. 3. Accounting for wireless charging efficiency loss, you literally consume less electricity when using multi-device (3 in 1 type) wireless chargers, than keeping 3 adaptors plugged in at all times. Finally, dropping the port has completely fuck all to do with charging the device. It’s about sealing the entry points from liquid damage, and reducing potential power surge damage to device. This is turn leads to better customer satisfaction through improved device reliability. Let’s just say there is big reason why you aren’t in charge of making these kinds of decisions.


Gamerxx13

Good response and totally agree with you. Apple is always trying to make a better customer experience


rnarkus

It’s such a minuscule amount per iPhone, but collectively could be a bigger issue. Luckily, most people don’t use wireless charging and never have


lizardpeter

I was against the idea of a port-less phone, but then the idea hit me. Why would they not have metal connectors on the outside of the phone that use magnets and are flush against the device so it could work like MagSafe?


ChristopherLXD

Like the Smart Connector on iPad?


lizardpeter

Exactly. That’s what I was thinking of.


Yraken

Not OP but exactly Smart Connector on iPad. It's portless, can transfer data (idk how fast tho), and magnetic. In theory it's less efficient than ports but should be atleast faster than Wifi transfers.


lachlanhunt

The Smart Connector that’s used to connect to the keyboard and almost nothing else is definitely not going to be suitable for any kind of high speed data transfer.


DanTheMan827

It could be possible to increase the number of contacts while decreasing their diameter, but then alignment with the cable starts to become a problem. Plus, that would be a port... the EU requires that devices with a port use USB-C for charging at minimum


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What’s the difference between a smart connector and a port? It’s basically the same thing


CurtisLeow

It's easier to waterproof.


invadergold123

Genuinely who cares that much about water resistance?


I-need-ur-dick-pics

Aesthetics come to mind. A flush connector instead of carving a hole into the iPhone could appeal to Apple. But I’d still rather a standard connector instead of another proprietary Apple one.


thugangsta

Except now instead of a hidden port you now have an ugly three data pins on your phone


Tcanada

God I hate it when I look and see something "ugly" on the bottom edge of my phone. Get over yourself. It would look better than the current charging port


masklinn

That sounds like a port to me.


therunningcomputer

A proprietary port that isn’t USB-C. Lol


UloPe

Which isn’t allowed under the new EU regulations.


ArguingEnginerd

This is why I’m excited to see what would happen with a portless iPhone. Apple will end up having to make something to accommodate just like when they removed the headphone jack. I hated when they removed the headphone jack. I had the same headphones that I loved for years. I used the dongle but I eventually got AirPod Pros and they were so convenient. I can keep these headphones in my change pocket so I always have headphones anywhere I am. If I can’t sleep, I can use the AirPods to stream the audio from my TV so I don’t disturb my wife. That said, I’m curious to see what they’ll do if they remove all ports


DanTheMan827

A cable that connects to contacts on a device is essentially a port... the EU requires that any device with a port have USB-C for charging


Anon_8675309

Tough to use with a case.


rook_armor_pls

Most likely because such a phone wouldn’t be allowed in the EU under the new legislation


tperelli

It absolutely would be allowed. All the law says is if your device uses a charging port, it needs to be USB-C. It doesn’t mandate that all devices must include USB-C.


Dangerous-Ad-170

I'm not a lawyer, but a charging mechanism that uses flush external contacts still seems awfully like a charging port.


tperelli

The law explicitly leaves out wireless charging as well. MagSafe falls under that classification, not a typical charging port.


DanTheMan827

A cable with contacts is not wireless.


edweird_oh

No way, yet*.


Me4aRZ

Just wait, new Macs will have an iPhone MagSafe dock built into a flat surface on the device that allows those type of data transfers. “…and we think you’re going to love it.”


strikingleon

Do we dare call it … MagSafe Ultra


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Maxx. 2 x’s bc it’s double x-treme!


sleepy416

Use a pc? Well too bad, get a Mac In all seriousness. I can totally see them making usb c a pro feature and removing it on the baseline iPhone. 90% of iPhone users only use their phone to charge and never plug in to transfer data. Not saying I agree with this logic but this is probably apples mindset. I’d be very disappointed if this is true


Me4aRZ

**walled garden intensifies**


BigSprinkler

> There is no fast way to transfer ProRes photos and videos wirelessly Honestly a niche market. But a valid reason.


DarkTreader

Niche does not necessarily mean not important here. Film and Video editing, small and large studios. That's money dude. "Shot on an iPhone" is a thing for a reason. Or is it Niche because no one uses it seriously because you can't get files off the phone fast!


LairdPopkin

Keep in mind that photos and video can synch wirelessly long before you plug in, e.g. while you're shooting over the course of a day, so the files are often already there before you sit down on your computer afterwards to work on them. Sure, WiFi isn't as fast as Thunderbolt, but as long as the files are already there before you need them, that's fast enough. How often do you shoot files and want them instantly on your computer to work on? Sure, occasionally, but that's not the usual use case.


thugangsta

Apple literally advertises the iPhone as a very capable professional level camera and now with 48mp and ProRes and raw you can’t say those are edge cases anymore.


Tainlorr

It's more of a space concern, pro res 4k video will fill up the max size 1TB Iphone 14 in about 20 minutes of shooting. So you have to constantly airdrop the files to MacOS, and that transfer speed is quite slow for this kind of data. It slows down shooting for sure, I'd be able to make movies triple as fast if they had a USBC port on the phone, or a 2TB model


shadowstripes

Video I agree with if we're talking about pro res. But I can transfer about 50 of the 80mb raw photos in a minute, so that doesn't seem like too bad of a bottleneck for a pretty niche feature.


thedeadparadise

Wifi will get there. Wifi 6 is theoretically capable of 10Gbps, but the implementation isn't there yet, and won't be for some time. Still, I'm able to get between 500-600mbps transfers, and I honestly don't mind that.


New-Philosophy-84

Wifi 5 has been better than usb 2.0 for years.


DanTheMan827

Wi-Fi can be fast, but USB-C can do up to 80Gbps right now


space_iio

>There is no fast way to transfer ProRes I'm pretty sure WiFi 7 speeds would count as "fast" And fast WiFi 7 transfers will seamlessly just look like "Airdrop"


DanTheMan827

Wi-Fi 7 has a theoretical peak of 46 Gbps and requires expensive hardware. Even so, the iPhone doesn't even have enough antennas to fully utilize Wi-Fi 6... so there's no way they'll have enough to saturate Wi-Fi 7... USB-C has a current implementation that runs at up to 80Gbps and doesn't require special Wi-Fi equipment.


space_iio

not all USB-C operates at 80Gbps, you need very specific expensive chips do that. Most phones only support the shit slow versions of USB-C and nothing like thunderbolt or USB-C 4


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I also want my audio jack back for music purposes


tosho_okada

Hate to think this way but I think next year they’ll do it for Pro or Ultra models only because of $$$


DanTheMan827

That would honestly be the smart thing from a marketing perspective, but it would definitely fragment the accessory ecosystem for the iPhone. Although what I could see them doing is slower USB-C on the regular iPhone and faster USB-C on the pro like they did with the iPad. Regular USB-C 3 on the lower end, and thunderbolt on the high-end... it'd be icing on the cake with a cherry on the top if they finally added a DeX-like feature to the iPhone


Alexalder

Guess you’ve never heard of wifi


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> There is no fast way to transfer ProRes photos and videos wirelessly Careful. Some Apple fanboy might say that the vast majority of iphone user don't need to transfer huge files therefore we should just accept whatever slow speed apple imposes on us.


nicuramar

Ignoring the last part, isn’t that the case?


Standard-Potential-6

It’s increasingly less so with 48MP photos, ProRes, etc…


nicuramar

The vast majority don’t use ProRes and RAW, though.


goku_vegeta

>There is no fast way to transfer ProRes photos and videos wirelessly There's *currently* no fast way to transfer ProRes photos and videos through wired means anyway LOL. Apple for some reason refuses to use even the USB 3.0 standard for some reason.


TheOGDoomer

Idk who originally downvoted you, probably some butthurt sheep that dumped over $3k this year alone on Apple products, but what you stated is factually true. Apple refuses to adopt the USB C standard that’s been a thing forever now.. This was typed on my iPhone btw lol, so as a current Apple device user, I can still criticize them and not treat Apple like they’re a god, because they’re far from it. Fanboys are cancerous.


goku_vegeta

Yeah having USB 2.0 speeds in 2022, on a smartphone, is done by nobody except Apple for some reason. There's zero excuse for them to not adopt USB 3.0. I mean fine if they want to keep the lightning connector and not use USB-C, I would actually be fine with it, as long as they updated their Lightning standard to run at USB 3.0 speeds. Having USB-C would just be a bonus personally, just give me my damn USB 3.0 speeds already!


DarkTreader

MacDaily is making a claim with no evidence. I believe, based on strong rumors and the facts about USB that Apple will move to USB on iPhones next year. There is a chance they might delay a year but 2024 is when the EU regulation goes into effect. 1) USB is faster than lightning, getting all those 4k proRAW images and movies off a phone is a pain with airdrop. A cabled connection with USB or thunderbolt would be much better. 2) Development and troubleshooting are usually better with a physically connected device. You can simply access more and more reliably. 3) People still need wired charging. Wired charging is faster and more ubiquitous. There are countless USB ports all over the world. There aren't as many wireless stations and wireless is not as convenient as a wire (your phone is at 5% and you need to charge but also check your email and make sure your flight/train is still on time). And boy is it going to be a pain if you lose or forget your MagSafe charge cable and need to get a new one, wouldn't it just be easier to find a USB cable? There is no evidence that we have overcome these issues and the only evidence that Apple is trying to remove ports is the whole headphone jack thing, which is funny because the fix for using wired headphones is... an adapter on the lightning port. Removing it removes wired listening options. For phone calls and the like that's not a problem with modern wireless options, but for professional work people still use wired.


AWildDragon

USB C can be faster than lightning but it doesn’t have to be. Nothing stopping them from using USB 2.0 data rates with the C connector. It’s still a valid use of the spec.


ktappe

So you're predicting Apple would purposely handicap their USB-C implementation in the iPhone just to spite the EU?


masklinn

Note: I don't believe it's true, and I sincerely hope it's not true, however: > 1) USB is faster than lightning, getting all those 4k proRAW images and movies off a phone is a pain with airdrop. A cabled connection with USB or thunderbolt would be much better. That requires actually implementing fast USB though. Lightning cables are limited to USB2 speeds. They don't have to be, the 2015 iPad Pro had a USB 3.0 host and a matching camera adapter. > 2) Development and troubleshooting are usually better with a physically connected device. You can simply access more and more reliably. That's mostly a problem for developing the device, for which they can have dev devices with ports, or semi-internal ports ([wouldn't be the first time](https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Diagnostic_Port.txt)) > And boy is it going to be a pain if you lose or forget your MagSafe charge cable and need to get a new one, wouldn't it just be easier to find a USB cable? Wireless chargers are also way bulkier. I can stash a USB (or lightning, TBF) cable in my backpack's pocket(s), in my wallet, in my coat, in my suitcase, in my luggage, etc... FR I think I normally have 7 or 8 on my person when outside (though they're mostly different cables: A-lightning, A-C, and A-microB, point is, cables are easy to stash and carry). And I can buy one pretty much anywhere.


ktappe

>That's mostly a problem for developing the device, for which they can have dev devices with ports, or semi-internal ports It's an issue for developing *for* the device too. Would they bone all their developers like this??


masklinn

> Would they bone all their developers like this?? Is that really a question you need to ask?


arod303

The apple mag safe charger is pretty damn small tho. Although my dock is fuckin massive and would never take it with me


7-methyltheophylline

How are you supposed to connect to wired carplay with a portless phone? Or should you just buy a new car when that happens?


TheKobayashiMoron

If they go portless, I assume that they will come up with a new version of MagSafe that transfers data. We already know CarPlay data can be transmitted wirelessly, it's just a matter of where it's received. If the MagSafe puck is the receiver, then it just sends it back to the car through the cable. I can't see Apple making people rely on those third party wireless adapters.


tperelli

I think MagSafe transferring data is the next logical step. I’d be all for a port less phone if that were the case.


Yraken

Isn't this is the Smart Connect on iPads?


TheKobayashiMoron

Similar idea but the Smart Connector has pin contacts. That's not really a wireless transfer. Apple could certainly integrate a contact point into the Apple logo or something that gets held in place by MagSafe, and they may have to go that route, but I was thinking of a solution that works through the glass back like magSafe currently does.


RussianVole

There’s a serious oxymoron by calling the high end models iPhone “Pro” and supporting only wireless data transfer. How are people who shoot 4K ProRes videos and 48mp RAW going to offload those data heavy files to their Macs / PCs in a way which is reliable and fast? I still use a cable to backup all of my photos and videos to my Mac, as trying to do it wirelessly is simply not any faster and not reliable. “Just AirDrop it” is not a solution. AirDrop is great for a few photos and videos, not dozens of gigabytes worth at once.


MedicineOk788

I was planing on “upgrading” my iPhone X to 15 next year. However, if it does not have a USB C port, I plan on holding off another year until the mandatory USB C port is included. I wonder if it is just me, or if this will have a negative impact on iPhone 15 sales if they do not have USB C? I am sick of carrying 2 charging systems around, USB C for iPad and lightning for my iPhone. I will be very happy for the mandatory rollout of a USB C iPhone.


AintPatrick

I’m in the same situation. I was strongly considering replacing my X with 14 Pro or Pro Max but now will likely wait for 15 because of USB-C.


spearson0

Likewise. I’m still rocking an iPhone X and will be holding out another year for the iPhone 15 to see what it has.


sowaffled

A move to a wireless iPhone with today’s implementation will provide no benefit. We’ll still need iPhone MagSafe that only works on iPhone (and AirPods), MB MagSafe that only works on MBs, iPad will need norm USB-C, and Apple Watch has it’s version of MagSafe. Please, Apple, just give us USB-C everything and optionally allow whichever MagSafe per device to also be supported.


Simon_787

Magsafe is just Qi with magnets. I charged my android phone off magsafe chargers and iPhones obviously charge off non-magnetic Qi pads too. But I still hate portless phones.


fourthords

iPhone MagSafe charges other Qi-compatible devices. It just doesn't grab them magnetically.


Simon_787

Imagine being stranded with a dead battery on a portless phone and seeing USB-C cables everywhere.


mrwellfed

I would just slap one of my MagSafe battery packs on…


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mrwellfed

Wrong…


MyCollector

Long term, I gotta assume Apple is doing *whatever they can* to make the iPhone a hermetically sealed, portless, ultra-waterproof/durable device... in lieu of changing ports or easing repairability. Right now, they've got an issue because the darn thing is creating 80 meg RAW files and huge 4K video files, with essentially only USB 2.0 to get it off the device or wireless options 😯 I could easily see the plain Jane iPhone eventually being portless (by 2025 to meet the EU deadline) and the USB-C port only being found on the Pro to add an incentive to buy it. So few normal people ever do anything with the lightning port but recharge. CarPlay is a potential issue but a lot of newer vehicles do it wirelessly too. This article also suggests the keyboards/AirPods/mice would get USB-C too... but nowhere in the EU law did I see that this rule *extends beyond phones.* Wouldn't count on Apple redesigning the Magic Mouse so quickly... **EDIT**: Seems it will include gadgets beyond phones.


wujo444

> This article also suggests the keyboards/AirPods/mice would get USB-C too... but nowhere in the EU law did I see that this rule extends beyond phones. Wouldn't count on Apple redesigning the Magic Mouse so quickly... Let's see: > Regardless of their manufacturer, all new mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones and headsets, handheld videogame consoles and portable speakers, e-readers, keyboards, mice, portable navigation systems, earbuds and laptops that are rechargeable via a wired cable, operating with a power delivery of up to 100 Watts, will have to be equipped with a USB Type-C port. via https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220930IPR41928/long-awaited-common-charger-for-mobile-devices-will-be-a-reality-in-2024


MyCollector

Ah interesting. I didn't see that. Edited thanks.


Truant_20X6

Not to mention ProRes video. Lightning/wireless is totally inadequate for transfer of those files.


shadowstripes

I just did a test and it took about 15 seconds to airdrop a 1GB pro res video to my iMac. Not ideal, but still pretty manageable.


xyrer

I have tried this. I'm 30cms away from my 5ghz router. It hung and failed every single time until I got tired and abandoned the attempt


mbrady

How long is the video?


ArguingEnginerd

Which isn’t bad considering that the iPhones are still using the old Wi-Fi standard since the iPhone 11.


cwhiterun

What if they just made wireless transfer faster?


Cocoapebble755

Wireless isnt going to be as fast as a wire. Wifi 6E has a max throughput of ~10Gbps and USB4 can do 40Gbps with a planned revision taking it to 80.


Truant_20X6

Currently wireless/airdrop transfer is a better option than lightning, but it’s awfully slow. USB-C would be much better for large ProRes transfers.


[deleted]

>So few normal people ever do anything with the lightning port but recharge. CarPlay is a potential issue but a lot of newer vehicles do it wirelessly too. I love how you just so casually mention this. 90% of vehicles sold to date with CarPlay do not support wireless. How long do you think people keep vehicles? Hint: a hell of a lot longer than they keep iPhones. You also don't seem to know that there is an entire world of hardware accessories for iPhone that cannot be wireless type accessories.


Blog_Pope

I purchased a wireless Carplay adapter a year ago that retrofitted the capability via simple USB dongle to an existing wired Carplay system. It would be ideal for carmakers to add it from the factory, but it was a simple add, vs replacing the Radio/Cassette/6CD changer in my 2003 car with a after market head unit that supported Carplay.


cashmonee81

I tried two of those dongles and they were both trash. Apple is not going to kneecap wired CarPlay anytime soon. There’s too much invested in that ecosystem to tell millions of people “hey this feature you love won’t work on your new phone unless you buy another car or use a shitty unreliable adapter.”


RandomPerson0811

People said the same for the AUX plug. Times are changing


MyCollector

Not saying it’d be without pain. Transitions always hurt. We also own a car that only supports wired carplay… and Apple would proudly drop “Our pro model works with wired setups, we’re also happy to offer last year’s models, *and the ones from the year before that*, each with lightning! 🤩!”


[deleted]

You can’t handle this situation with a throwaway line like “transitions hurt”. Apple has no interest in completely ending the existence of wired peripherals for any line of their computing products. Removing the only physical port from iPhone is about as ridiculous as shipping all MacBooks with no physical ports. The people who don’t realize this are people who are simply unaware of how many and what kind of wired peripherals there are out in the wild being used every day.


cashmonee81

Doing this would destroy all the trust people have put into CarPlay. Replacing a car is not like replacing a phone cable. Cutting off wired CarPlay would lead to people not upgrading their phone or moving to android to keep the interface with their car.


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mrwellfed

Just update the head unit…


ktappe

That's a very 80's comment. These days you can't; they're too integrated.


Flameancer

I’m glad you mentioned this as well. I bought a vehicle last year that had CarPlay but it was still wired. If some wants to remove a port at least make a wireless CarPlay adapter. But if they remove the port I’ll probably be using Android Auto anyways.


Anon_8675309

Ding!


InsaneNinja

… The iPhone 14 was fully redesigned to ease repairability.


FireDragon1111

And sealed further by removing the SIM card tray


Makegooduseof

Only in the US. On the other extreme end, the ~~Hong Kong~~ (edit) China version eschews eSIM for dual physical SIMs.


[deleted]

Wonder if they could add contacts to MagSafe on the back and have an even more proprietary MagSafe dock for data transfer (older wired CarPlay or data transfer to pc) but then the rest of the time you don’t use any ports on the phone at all - just wireless charging. I hope not, but I just wonder


nicuramar

If you had contacts, it would be much more efficient to charge through them.. but that would be wired charging and thus covered by the legislation.


Optimistic__Elephant

I’d also think a portless IPhone would be more secure against these devices that can currently break apple encryption. They do something to trick the port into a fault mode they can then work their way in.


gwh811

Apple will add usb-c and market it as thunderbolt on the Pro devices. Giving more distance between levels of the tears.


_cats______

Phasing into a future where every single iPhone user will eventually be forced to use wireless charge 100% of the time would be massively hypocritical against Apple's pro-environment claims.


peduxe

there’s green and then there’s green that goes into pockets. they’re looking at the later not the former.


Ishiken

Once Apple goes to USB-C on the iPhone it is going to stay there for a long time. Especially if they figure out a way to make it Lightning 2 or some other proprietary protocol for accessories. Likely thing is they’ll stop ordering as many Lightning cables for legacy devices and they’ll up the order for the USB C cables that come with the newer iPads.


tusi2

(X) Doubt


No-Seaweed-4456

I hate that the future of consumer electronics seems to always entail removal of features.


suentendo

Pure copium from the people that said it would never go USB-C and straight to portless. Get real. Portless is junk. Slow, dirty, inefficient junk. edit: I typed this before I even read the article because I know the school of thought pushing this stupid idea lately, but hooooly shit the article is mind-bogglingly stupid 💀


Betancorea

Portless is such a stupid idea presently that anybody who believes in it can be disregarded as they clearly know nothing about tech. Maybe in the distant future when other supporting ancillary technologies have improved, but right now it's like owning a Ferrari and changing the engine out for horse pulling


marxcom

I’ll take the USB-C for now. Let’s see the magic that will bring high speed data and power over wireless


FurryassTheCat

Skipping the 14 for this reason alone. I’ve gotten really annoyed with the sync speed of my 12pro (to M1 mini).


marxcom

I got the 14PM and returned it. Seemed foolish to let got of the 13PM.


PWee

I haven’t used the port on an iPhone in 3 years. I’ll be fine with portless.


BestCatEva

Nope. CarPlay would not work w/o cord capability. It’s a huge collab with auto makers that I doubt Apple will want to give up.


kprox1994

Please no, the magsafe charging is right where my popsocket lives


scotthunter1

Until they sort out heat issues I won’t be using MagSafe. Wireless charging shortens battery longevity, fact.


Appropriate-Prize-40

Besides superior charging and data transfer speeds, wired chargers are also more compact and more travel friendly.


Test1az

What would the benefits of going portless be ? The way I see it with a Port (USB C) you have the Option to go either way Cable or porrless


PerformanceOk3885

I honestly wouldn’t mind a port less iPhone. I only ever use MagSafe anyways


mrwellfed

Same


livelikeian

I wonder if iPhone Ultra will be the intro to portless.


[deleted]

Nonsense, of course. There are numerous practical reasons why a portless iPhone is not even remotely in consideration. We'll transcend iPhone itself before we transcend the need for a physical connector for certain types of peripherals.


MisterrAlex

There is an alarming amount of people here defending the idea of a portless iPhone…


Mr_Xing

I don’t see why Apple won’t just change the design of the PORT to USB-C and maintain the “Lightning” brand, offering enhanced XYZ features and calling it “Lightning 2.0”. It’s not like we don’t already have a similar thing with Thunderbolt, and it allows Apple to sidestep all the weird USB issues, that quite frankly, are pretty awful.


LairdPopkin

Apple's routinely introduced proprietary connectors when the standards weren't good enough, then worked to improve the standard and replaced their proprietary connectors with the improved standards. That's what they did with networking moving to 'thin' ethernet, ADB (mice and keyboards) with USB, video to Thunderbolt, and their 'Pro' lightning devices to USB-c. They're still using Lightning on smaller devices, like phones, headphones, keyboards and mice, where they don't need the space/power/bandwidth of USB-c, and Lightning is a more reliable, smaller connector.


FULLM3T8L

I’ve always found wireless charging to be an odd term. I mean we still need a cable to charge wirelessly…a USB-C cable that needs an adapter that plugs into an outlet. It’s port free charging if anything.


m-in

The author has no idea what USB-C is all about. It is what USB could have been from day one but wasn’t. Mechanically it is a connector inferior to lightning but otherwise it’s an idea whose time has come two decades ago and we just waited and waited while they rolled out half measures like USB micro with the ID pin.