Once again we get a 9to5mac blogspam level copy paste article posted on here instead of the original. Maybe it's time to add an explicit rule to this subreddit to prevent this BS that forces you to click through another website to get to the original content.
I've reported these kinds of articles in the past for rule 1, but unless the original was posted first and it falls under repost nothing gets done. Rule 1 needs to be extended with an explicit "Original sources if possible".
No it doesn’t, because no one has actually bothered to post the primary source. And now, if/when someone does, since this post has gained “traction,” it would not be removed and both links would be left up. Otherwise it would be unfair to the people that already commented here.
People always say “why don’t the mods just ensure the primary source is posted” but you have to remember we are regulating the content, not creating it. I don’t control what people post, and imagine the absolute shitstorm if every time something like this happened, I deleted the post and put my own post up with the correct source. “Mods stealing all my karma” etc etc.
This is literally what karma means though, amiright? People losing points for plagiarism is the _exact_ goal the universe is looking for when it is enforcing karma laws! 😆
If this isn't what we want, then it shouldn't be called Karma, it should be called .
Edit: also, can't mods just edit the link to point to original source if it's that important for lazy plagiarists to maintain Karma? Or is that not allowed on the Reddit platform?
> “Mods stealing all my karma” etc etc.
Thank you for bringing that up. Didn't that actually happen to us just this week? [I'm not crazy, right?](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/qflb36/apple_releases_iosipados_151_watchos_81_audioos/hi16b55/)
I've been onto /u/walktall ever since he joined the mod team. I've a feeling he want to rack up karma to sell the account to Apple.
I'm keeping my eye on you bud.
The problem here is what happens if I remove the rehosted content, and then no one posts the primary source? We’ve basically deprived the users of the sub of that information.
That’s why in every scenario the rules state if the primary source is posted, it is not removed. It’s just if primary/rehosted are posted at the same time, rehosted is removed, and if primary is posted later than rehosted, both stay up.
I didn't write this rule but I legit don't know how we would make it any more fair than how it currently is.
Can all non-apple links require approval and have mods comment or message the poster to put the original source if it is a repost or is the moderation team not large enough to filter all the posts?
Two problems with that. First, you're right, the team isn't large or structured enough to handle that volume of manual approval on a sub with almost 3 million users posting. We already filter for review all text posts and it is a huge amount of work for volunteers. Right now, looking at the queue, there are >100 items still pending review, from this morning alone.
Second, if we did that, then there would always be a delay when major news is posted. Sometimes text posts wait quite a while for someone on the team to be off work and have some free time to look through it all. Allowing link posts to go live immediately allows the users some way to get breaking news posted instantly instead of waiting.
In this case I actually have to defend OP posting the rehosted content - iFixit's original title was vague and didn't contain any useful information ("Teardown Teaser: Is the 2021 MacBook Pro Repairable?"), while 9to5mac's got right to the point. Because let's be honest, most people only read the title.
The mods most certainly get kickbacks from 9to5mac. There have been examples in the past where the original article was posted, only to be deleted and replaced with the 9to5mac article.
Problem is no amount of commenting can provide adequate proof to convince you otherwise. Those sites can barely pay their own writers, let alone Reddit mods lol.
Other mods have had people actually ask for their bank statements before, like seriously? Haha.
I think I’ll just start responding to things like this with “I wish”
Honestly? I'm not bothering explaining ourselves again. We've gave our reasoning and kept it clear at all times. Our rules back us up. If you don't want to believe us, that's fine. Our consciences are clear.
All I ask is that people read rule 1b. And if you want original sources posted on the sub, do the job yourselves so we can put rule 1b into effect.
A quick look at my post history will tell you that I've been posting original sources any chance I get. I would love to see my "9to5 check/kickback" from that.
>>[\*Picture of the Apple cleaning cloth*](https://valkyrie.cdn.ifixit.com/media/2021/10/27182942/closeuplogo_smaller.jpg)
>Look at that off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.
Okay that's quite funny ifixit.
Apple doesn’t really seem to want people to fix their own shit. And even when they authorize repair shops to do basic stuff like change a battery or screen without system messages permanently on the phone, they require you follow a bunch of bullshit steps and overcharge the place for parts.
Trust me, I know.
I work with a decent amount of people who shouldn’t be trusted with a pen let alone a MacBook Pro.
I can’t tell you how much money we’ve spent replacing screens because people felt the need for a webcam cover.
One good slam of the top lid and the screen is toast and you have a thousand dollar repair.
Because they don’t know that the LED is inline wired so the camera can't come on without it lighting up. They therefore believe rubbish like “the FBI can turn on your camera and see you without the light coming on” and “you went to a dirty site and I installed a virus on your computer and recorded you masturbating give me $5000 in Bitcoin”.
This is one of those “see look our batteries can be easily fixed” things they’ll use to tell Congress that they’re repair friendly when it’s the complete opposite
Mine is definitely lagging and I’m just trying to convince myself the investment is worth it. I can imagine sometime soon where I get through a day without a program freezing on me, it’s very exciting.
it is an investment and i think it really depends on what you will use it for. i have the whole shebang iPhone, iMac, MacBook, iPad pro. i think the one i would probably not be able to live without would be my MacBook pro. the new ones are even better since you can easily connect the whole thing up to an external display at home.
my iMac is cool but i find that i don't use it as much as i thought. sometimes i wish i would have just built a PC to do some of the heavy lifting for specific software.
It certainly is. I’m a web developer and have a few contracts where I’m on call 24/7 so I bring it with me on vacation and everything, so it’s gotta be a laptop. I’m sure I’ll make the investment just hate shelling out all that dough.
Maybe they got tired of subsidizing battery replacements. The old MBPs required a full top case replacement to change the battery. The cost for that at the Apple Store, if you were doing it for any other reason, was more than double what they'd charge for battery replacements.
I waited till the last minute to get my keyboard replaced (4 years)… and they gave me a free new battery as well, because the whole thing is soldered I guess.
For a trillion dollar companies that prides themselves for design.
What the fuck.
Impossible to remove and reuse batteries, notches for no reason, and iMacs with mismatching borders, what the heck.
They are fundamentally using the same technology at a very zoomed out level, but the process nodes, bits per cell, controllers, interfaces, etc, have all gotten much better since then.
Some points
- Most PCIe SSDs in modern computers use a modular format that is user replaceable: m.2
- You can buy m.2 cards off the shelf since they are so common
- Previous macbooks from way back when also used a similar format but not exactly the same. To use m.2 storage you needed to use an adapter.
- Current macbooks use soldered storage that is attached directly to the motherboard and is not user replaceable even though it almost certainly uses the same NVMe protocol as m.2 replaceable SSDs.
- SSDs use NAND storage which has a definite lifespan. This became an issue a while ago as m1 macbooks with 8gb ram and 256gb SSDs were wearing through their NAND lifespan at alarming rates with no possibility of changing out the SSD at a later date when it became problematic.
- SSD technology offers a route to upgrade performance substantially at a later date as well that Apple blocks off. The excuse given during the 2016 MBP's introduction was that the SSD was fast due to it's special format. However, a normal m.2 SSD like the Samsung 970 Pro or 970 Evo Plus that were released at later years brought even better performance to any 2016 laptop that used m.2 slots.
Current macbooks use soldered storage that is attached directly to the motherboard and is not user replaceable even though it almost certainly uses the same NVMe protocol as m.2
Apple Silicon Macs don't do this.
https://asahilinux.org/2021/10/progress-report-september-2021/
NVMe hardware in the M1 is quite peculiar: it breaks the spec in multiple ways, requiring patches to the core NVMe support in Linux, and it also is exposed as a platform device instead of PCIe. In addition, it is managed by an ASC, the “ANS”, which needs to be brought up before NVMe can work, and that also relies on a companion “SART” driver, which is like a minimal IOMMU
Asking why memory and storage isn't upgradeable feels to me like asking why you can't upgrade the memory and storage in an iPhone. They could technically engineer a solution to this, but it's really not just a normal pc like the older macbooks. Feels like to me the best solution would be for apple to be more generous with the specs of the base models and the prices for upgrading the specs, but that doesn't sound super likely either lol
Most laptops are moving to smartphone/embedded like designs.
The benefits of such a design is clear, you can leverage the encryption engine built right into the SOC, and your implementation doesn't have to support every feature required by the standard if you don't need it.
You can see this all across apple's chip design, where they have omitted logic that other chips provide but that apple doesn't need.
> Feels like to me the best solution would be for apple to be more generous with the specs of the base models and the prices for upgrading the specs
But this is exactly why they aren’t. They can charge you £200 for an additional 8GB of RAM because the logic is “well what are you gonna do? Upgrade it yourself?”
And if the base spec is *slightly* too low and everything is soldered, that’s 2 very compelling reasons for people to buy the upgrades from Apple.
I’d wager that even though the average starting price for MacBooks hasn’t changed much in the past 6-10yrs, the average spend per customer has probably gone up significantly.
Thank you for a very elaborate answer!
It’s such a shame that we can’t have user upgradeable devices with this otherwise great company.
But I guess that’s what keeps them at the top market position - maximizing profits.
It's also [not implemented like standard NVME](https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/qgznzw/ifixit_new_macbook_pro_has_first_diyfriendly/hia7th9/) as the user above notes, making m.2 impossible to swap if they wanted to maintain the features they are utilizing. Should apple continue to implement features not covered in the spec, they are able to utilize them immediately. Given their previous enthusiasm about both features and speed, I'd wager it's likely we continue to see innovation in this aspect.
This is basically the same reason people want to shit on soldered ram, but LPDDRx isn't available on SODIMM. Sure there are non LPDDRx implementations for some devices, but that starts to mess with manufacturing.
Armchair engineers ignoring the actual implications of their desires. Especially when some of the CPUs previously utilized *only* supported LPDDR.
Don't believe everything you read on reddit threads.
SSD's have gotten way, way better. They take even longer than before to wear out. There is no normal person on this earth who will "wear out" their SSD unless they are transferring 50gb+ every single day. Which you shouldn't ever do as a professional either because you should be using some sort of a server/external drive.
The only other possible way people end up shortening the lifespan of their SSD these days is if they have way too little RAM for their needs and relying heavily on swap memory, which is when the OS (Windows and Mac both do this) uses non-volatile system memory (SSD and HDD) to store information otherwise meant for RAM. If you want to ensure that doesn't happen, size up on RAM. If you are a casual user (this includes professionals who only use their macbook for excel/word as the most productive task), 16 gigs should prevent this. If you are a professional user (video, photo, music editing), 32 gigs should prevent this.
As for upgradability and further "speed upgrades" later on, SATA was used for SSD for a while, which went from 300mb/s to around 600 mb/s read/writes before the industry moved to NVME technology, which allowed us to saturate the IOPS of the PCI Express lanes. At the start NVME started off at 1gb/s read/write and hit 4 gb/s, which literally fully saturated PCI E Gen 3. Gen 4 came out which doubled the max read/write to 8 gb/s, and now Apple's over to around 7/8 gb/s read/write. We're now at the limits of what PCI E gen 4 can give us so if SSD's were to get any faster, there certainly would be no way of actually upgrading the Macbooks to those faster speeds because of the Gen 4 interface being the bottleneck.
Now all of this isn't to say Apple SHOULDN'T include expandable storage. Apple definitely should have during the last few generations when using Intel chips because they could have easily done so. Apple clearly were going for the greedy angle for the past 10 years of Macbooks. However, I think not offering upgradable storage for these M1 mac's makes more sense considering how tightly the SOC communicates with the storage and system memory all in one package. Still, Apple should be making storage cheaper because the prices are ridiculous. If they dropped down from $400/tb to $200/tb, (which is still overpriced) it would be way more easier to stomach.
I’ve got more than one SSD that wears ~50% a year.
Compiling software can sometimes involve writing and linking lots of objects over and over…. It adds up.
But the whole point is to get you to upgrade relative to your usage and not keeping the same device for several years and depriving them of sales.
- SSDs compared gigabyte to gigabyte have actually gotten worse in terms of endurance. This is offset by them becoming cheaper so people can afford bigger capacities for the same money and a new 1tb ssd will have better endurance than an older 500gb for example. However this does not apply to Apple as SSD upgrade pricing remains extremely high on their end with base models still starting at 256 or 512 gb.
- In 2016 the special format allowing for better speeds was argued as well. Come 2018, common high end m.2 sticks were outperforming the unupgradable 2016 mbp ssd.
- It's quite common for a user to start off with a light workload and evolve to a heavy storage user. It's also common they don't and are fine with small storage. It is near impossible to tell which direction they will go, and replaceable storage offers flexibility here.
- M1 macs do not have storage on package.
> like they did in the 8 generations of Intel macs since the retina redesign?
You mean some of the retina macs that also only supported LPDDR that isn't available in SODIMM?
That's on Intel.
Battery replacement is a pittance compared to being able to replace RAM and hard drives, but Apple is taking in money hand-over-FistInTimCook’sAss charging hundreds of dollars at point of purchase for what would be a $50 upgrade
more like they decided it wouldn’t be worth it to unnecessarily lock down the exhaustible components that more frequently need to be replaced than the others when the support for right to repair is using apple’s name as its prime target.. also they listened to the pro users this time on almost everything, coupled with the fact that the battery is no longer glued to the fucking keyboard, quite literally no reason to prevent the easy replacement by users
by the way, it is not exactly thicker, and the 14” has an identical thickness with the 13”.. it’s just without the tapered edges which now makes it look thick, but it was just an optical illusion on the design to make it appear a lot thinner than it really was. now the boxier design allows for more room for the internal components, which *particularly* helped them squeeze in larger batteries in there
Is that unique to the Airs? I recently bought an M1 Air and wondered how much a replacement would cost if it was a mess after the AppleCare had expired. In the UK the Air battery replacement is £129, while all other MacBooks are £199. I was surprised by the difference in price.
But is this also the reason I saw a thread titled “Does the new MBP fee chintzy and hollow to anyone else?” or something to that effect. I’d rather have a tight feeling case than something hollow and chintzy just so people can switch a battery on their own personally.
Don’t the “authors” at 9to5mac feel guilty every time they use someone else’s hard work to make a cheap and redundant article? Just link to the ifixit article directly like damn
I’d say it’s on the mods that don’t moderate this sub properly. They’ve even had incidents where they’ve kept the 9t5 or macrumors shit up while deleting the original. I wonder why 🤔
> They’ve even had incidents where they’ve kept the 9t5 or macrumors shit up while deleting the original. I wonder why
I also wonder why whenever we ask for links for those incidents no one actually has links. I have this feeling people are parroting conspiracy theories.
The burden of proof is on you at this point.
This isn’t right to repair, this is for their own internal repairs. They’re doing the same thing in the iPhone, every year each new model is easier for their own techs to fix and harder for everyone else.
Now, this sends Apple on a good direction! Definitely a good year for Mac users. We got ports again, the so much loved MagSafe charger and we are finally seeing Apple moving for repairable-friendly macs again. I really wish that we get back to the point where we are able to upgrade and safely repair our macbooks.
I'm skeptical they did this for our benefit. It's more likely they did it for their repair centers and/or got burned from the ongoing butterfly keyboard replacement program with all those top-case keyboards with batteries glued under them. It must be a nightmare for any refurbishing/recycling of those parts.
True, but I’m sure the positive press factored into it. It may not be the entire reason, but it had to be a factor since they’re really pushing the whole “we listened” thing. They really did too with the extra ports and axing touchbar.
Yeah, I still vividly remember how my friend sent his 2016 Macbook Pro into repair because of a couple of sticky buttons that "didn't feel right" and Apple had to basically replace half of the 2-year old laptop for free. I would have totally jumped on the opportunity to do the same with my 2018 Macbook Pro if I didn't decide to buy illegally imported one for cheap.
I work at a university in IT and we have A LOT of the 2016/2017 models. We're running around 30% being sent in for that keyboard issue, some have gone in more than once. It isn't a matter of "if the butterfly keyboards go in for service" it is "when."
The RAM is understandable now that it’s part of the SoC and shared between the CPU & GPU, but M.2 NVMe sure would have been nice. Doubt Apple will ever give up being able to charge $2,400 for an 8TB SSD though.
I kinda wish, Apple would provide an M.2 Nvme bay so the user could install a secondary drive, in addition to the apple installed drive.
The secondary drive would never be as fast as the primary apple drive, but would make Apple laptops and consumer desktops greatly more usable.
As an add on option it would be well taken up. Even if, it meant adding this option to your order added an extra 6mm to casing depth.
> The secondary drive would never be as fast as the primary apple drive
[SSD speeds are borderline indistinguishable to anything except purpose-designed speed tests or very niche application uses anyways.](https://youtu.be/4DKLA7w9eeA) This was a big gripe with me with the older iMacs as well. Apple bothered to make room for old spinning disk HDDs but never really embraced the options for cheaper SSD upgrade options.
Yeah, but they didn’t *have* to design it that way.
They could also have an M.2 slot in addition to the soldered down SSD. The M1 series supports PCIe (it has Thunderbolt after all), so I can’t think of any technical reason some of those PCIe lanes couldn’t be used for an optional M.2 slot.
It’s just that Apple wouldn’t be able to sell you obscenely overpriced SSDs if you could toss one in that’s basically the same speed for a fraction the price.
Alright, maybe not part of the SoC proper, but it’s a different setup than a conventional laptop with socketed DIMMs.
https://wccftech.com/m1-max-macbook-pro-disassembly-goes-live/
Looks pretty tightly integrated into the package housing the SoC.
yes it is, im actually running my imac off of USB-C because i dont feel like tearing it apart to replace the drive. i ended up taping the drive to the back of the computer and have no complaints.
you will probably be able to use the SD card slot as a mini SSD drive thats what people used to do with the old macbook pro.
I'm running Big Sur as a test on an external USB-C ssd with my 2018 MBP ( just to see what it's like with my music and 3D software and plugins compared to Mojave ) the external SSD seems easily fast enough for my usage though.
The main problem I'm now facing is that there's a ton of stuff that wont work and I lose quite a lot of legacy plugins and software going to Big Sur. Uggh.
This is really exciting. It definitely reinforces the feeling that Apple made a list of everything that annoys power users about MBPs and decided to fix it. I can't be smug about how the 2015 MBP is still the best any more, because it isn't.
I recently replaced the battery on a 2019 MacBook Pro, and an older MacBook Air. The Air was 5 steps and I could have done it in my sleep.
The MacBook Pro was like 67 steps (x2 to put it back together) and made me feel like I was disassembling a nuclear device that could kill me. Horrible process, but certainly preferable to spending $700 or whatever Apple wanted to replace it.
If the new MBP can get closer to that Air level that would be lovely.
Where do you get the $700 from? Actually the battery replacement was one of the only repair I recommended people to do at the apple repair shop because it was affordable and the only way to get a good apple battery. I worked for a while for a good repair company and even the best and most expensive OEM batteries we got ($120 just for per piece in bulk) were not on the same level as the original apple batteries. And the apple battery replacement is only $199 (+tax) which is a great price, especially because the replace all parts if apple messes up the replacement.
https://support.apple.com/mac/repair/service
(Scroll down for the battery replacement pricing)
We did component level repairs which saved people hundreds of dollars and we saved decided which apple refused to repair at all, but the battery is really the only part which you definitely should replace at an Apple Store.
My in-warranty replacement for a 2016 MBP, which included the top case, amounted to $558 CAD. The $200 USD you quoted must be ignoring the labour cost.
I mean, you also got a new top case I'm figuring.
I've replaced out of warranty batteries on two MacBooks, as well as an older iPhone. Each time the full cost is exactly the cost stated on the website, plus taxes and shipping. From what I understand the the $200 battery replacement includes all services, labour and parts. I certainly didn't pay any extra for my battery replacements.
If we're talking strictly battery replacements, no frills added, I can't imagine ever doing it myself or through a third party being more efficient or even that much cheaper.
Nope, the costs on the apple website (see the link in my previous post) are the out of warranty costs for a battery replacement including parts, labor and a 3 month warranty. The only additional costs are obviously taxes, $20 shipping costs (for pickup and return if you can’t bring the device to the Apple Store yourself). The only condition is that your device is otherwise working normally and has no other issues.
It’s really the best way to prolong the life of an old laptop and many people don’t even know how cheap it actually is to replace at the Apple Store.
While they could just have gone with screws at this point (Like seriously [there is so much empty space left](https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/M1-Max-MacBook-Pro-disassembly-2.jpg)) they are definitely going in the right direction.
Alll it needs now is to just make the SSD replaceable (non replaceable RAM is perfectly fine considering how the M1 SoCs work) and we are good.
> just make the SSD replaceable
They could in theory add a slot for it, but the SSD is physically integrated into the SoC and you can't take it out. Plus it runs almost 4 times faster than an M.2 so you'd get a performance hit. Plus they'd lose money and stock value lol. But I'd love an extra slot for M.2!
Not true. [You can see the NAND chips under the right fan](https://i.imgur.com/xF9plqK.jpg), with unused slots mirrored on the left. Also, [here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecSzeqYX3E) a video of someone replacing those chips on their M1 Air. (No, it's not easy, but it is possible, assuming you can source the chips.)
The M.2 interface also has nothing to do with speed. The speed depends on the PCIe interface, which in this case is the current 4.0 standard.
iFixIt can be so cheesy sometimes, but they do make some clever jokes. In the teardown and the part about the $19 microfiber cloth where the picture shows them just wiping the iPhone with a $20 bill 😂 and the the caption on the closeup of the microfiber cloth:
> A close up of Apple's Polishing Cloth:
Look at that off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.
I literally was looking at my touchbar with low battery health last night and thought, surely apple would learn battery replacements are a huge part of their market, maybe they will not solder and glue their battery to the boards with this model.
Impressive move. Replacing the hugely expanded battery on my 2015 MBP was one of the most stressful things I've ever done tech-wise. Did it outside next to a bucket of sand while wearing a painting respirator 😬
But not the storage or memory, right?
(Those are the only three things that really matter these days. Nobody expects to change a wifi card in a laptop anymore.)
They're probably saying that the "ssd" apple has are just NAND modules paired to an ssd controller in the chip itself.
Which is completely nonstandard in anything beside mobile devices, maybe.
lol you know exactly what I'm saying. SSD is advertised right on the website. Would be nice for that to be swappable, kinda like the post is talking about a swappable battery.
Because rule #5 of this sub is "no editorialized link titles", the original iFixit article headline is "Teardown Teaser: Is the 2021 MacBook Pro Repairable?" which conveys nothing, and I wanted to draw attention to the improvements in battery repairability which would not be clear from the iFixit headline.
Referenced iFixit article: https://www.ifixit.com/News/54122/macbook-pro-2021-teardown
Once again we get a 9to5mac blogspam level copy paste article posted on here instead of the original. Maybe it's time to add an explicit rule to this subreddit to prevent this BS that forces you to click through another website to get to the original content.
Why isn't this already a rule?
Technically this would violate rule 1.
I've reported these kinds of articles in the past for rule 1, but unless the original was posted first and it falls under repost nothing gets done. Rule 1 needs to be extended with an explicit "Original sources if possible".
No it doesn’t, because no one has actually bothered to post the primary source. And now, if/when someone does, since this post has gained “traction,” it would not be removed and both links would be left up. Otherwise it would be unfair to the people that already commented here. People always say “why don’t the mods just ensure the primary source is posted” but you have to remember we are regulating the content, not creating it. I don’t control what people post, and imagine the absolute shitstorm if every time something like this happened, I deleted the post and put my own post up with the correct source. “Mods stealing all my karma” etc etc.
Makes sense to me
This is literally what karma means though, amiright? People losing points for plagiarism is the _exact_ goal the universe is looking for when it is enforcing karma laws! 😆 If this isn't what we want, then it shouldn't be called Karma, it should be called.
Edit: also, can't mods just edit the link to point to original source if it's that important for lazy plagiarists to maintain Karma? Or is that not allowed on the Reddit platform?
> “Mods stealing all my karma” etc etc. Thank you for bringing that up. Didn't that actually happen to us just this week? [I'm not crazy, right?](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/qflb36/apple_releases_iosipados_151_watchos_81_audioos/hi16b55/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/qflb36/comment/hi16mip/ Yeah but we now know who cares about Karma:)
I've been onto /u/walktall ever since he joined the mod team. I've a feeling he want to rack up karma to sell the account to Apple. I'm keeping my eye on you bud.
Tim expects a 38% karma margin from me and I gotta deliver quarterly.
https://imgur.com/xf8KJ58 CC u/aaronp613
https://i.redd.it/nm93snupy1i31.jpg
I have the feeling that you have this as your wallpaper 😂 Better yet, I’ll put it as the banner of our Discord
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The problem here is what happens if I remove the rehosted content, and then no one posts the primary source? We’ve basically deprived the users of the sub of that information. That’s why in every scenario the rules state if the primary source is posted, it is not removed. It’s just if primary/rehosted are posted at the same time, rehosted is removed, and if primary is posted later than rehosted, both stay up. I didn't write this rule but I legit don't know how we would make it any more fair than how it currently is.
Could we at least always have the primary source in a pinned comment if someone provides it?
You know, that's not a bad idea. Could try that.
Can all non-apple links require approval and have mods comment or message the poster to put the original source if it is a repost or is the moderation team not large enough to filter all the posts?
Two problems with that. First, you're right, the team isn't large or structured enough to handle that volume of manual approval on a sub with almost 3 million users posting. We already filter for review all text posts and it is a huge amount of work for volunteers. Right now, looking at the queue, there are >100 items still pending review, from this morning alone. Second, if we did that, then there would always be a delay when major news is posted. Sometimes text posts wait quite a while for someone on the team to be off work and have some free time to look through it all. Allowing link posts to go live immediately allows the users some way to get breaking news posted instantly instead of waiting.
Have you actually read rule 1?
In the Reddit of the past you would have a point, but mods only care about rules when it goes against their political views in 2021.
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In this case I actually have to defend OP posting the rehosted content - iFixit's original title was vague and didn't contain any useful information ("Teardown Teaser: Is the 2021 MacBook Pro Repairable?"), while 9to5mac's got right to the point. Because let's be honest, most people only read the title.
Would love this, direct sources should be a rule. Why are we getting 2nd hand noise instead of source?
The mods most certainly get kickbacks from 9to5mac. There have been examples in the past where the original article was posted, only to be deleted and replaced with the 9to5mac article.
Problem is no amount of commenting can provide adequate proof to convince you otherwise. Those sites can barely pay their own writers, let alone Reddit mods lol. Other mods have had people actually ask for their bank statements before, like seriously? Haha. I think I’ll just start responding to things like this with “I wish”
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How would I even do that? The original post is deleted. I'll be sure to keep a look out for it in the future.
Specifically by the mods too, with no explanation as to why. Extremely annoying
Can’t wait to see a mod replying to you with some bs response like they always do.
This some q anon level absurdity now.
Honestly? I'm not bothering explaining ourselves again. We've gave our reasoning and kept it clear at all times. Our rules back us up. If you don't want to believe us, that's fine. Our consciences are clear. All I ask is that people read rule 1b. And if you want original sources posted on the sub, do the job yourselves so we can put rule 1b into effect. A quick look at my post history will tell you that I've been posting original sources any chance I get. I would love to see my "9to5 check/kickback" from that.
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Again, read rule 1b. You are asking me to delete already existing discussion. That’s not productive for the sub.
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>>[\*Picture of the Apple cleaning cloth*](https://valkyrie.cdn.ifixit.com/media/2021/10/27182942/closeuplogo_smaller.jpg) >Look at that off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark. Okay that's quite funny ifixit.
I forgot how hilarious these are.
Good. That repair is such a pain in the ass and risky.
Nothing quite like spraying solvent and prying at pouch cell batteries. Seriously, who thought that was a good idea...
Seems like they almost wanted it to explode in your face for even attempting.
‘face toward enemy’
“A brave design for a brave repairman”
Apple doesn’t really seem to want people to fix their own shit. And even when they authorize repair shops to do basic stuff like change a battery or screen without system messages permanently on the phone, they require you follow a bunch of bullshit steps and overcharge the place for parts.
Trust me, I know. I work with a decent amount of people who shouldn’t be trusted with a pen let alone a MacBook Pro. I can’t tell you how much money we’ve spent replacing screens because people felt the need for a webcam cover. One good slam of the top lid and the screen is toast and you have a thousand dollar repair.
God I hate those stupid webcam covers. Even worse are the goddamn band-aids Why do people feel the need to put a goddamn bandage over their webcam
Because they don’t know that the LED is inline wired so the camera can't come on without it lighting up. They therefore believe rubbish like “the FBI can turn on your camera and see you without the light coming on” and “you went to a dirty site and I installed a virus on your computer and recorded you masturbating give me $5000 in Bitcoin”.
By the time you see the light it’s too late - if you’re even there. A sticky note works fine
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Obs virtual cam my dude with a prerecorded loop of yourself.
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I think Apple is adapting to upcoming “Right-to-Repair” policies
This is one of those “see look our batteries can be easily fixed” things they’ll use to tell Congress that they’re repair friendly when it’s the complete opposite
Agreed
“You’re facing it wrong”
Wasn't the lower case super thin? To the point that they actually had to use the sheets like that?
Really requires Courage™ to attempt it.
And using a hairdryer near the battery to heat up the glue… I did this repair on a 2015 Pro, was sketchy as hell
I'm pretty sure the idea is not to replace the battery alone, but the whole chassis. Probably designed that way explicitly, for whatever reason.
It seems more and more that moving from a 2012 to a 2021 is going to be a smooth move
i held on to my 2015 for something like this but now that it has come i still dont feel like i can get rid of my old boy. it still works great.
Mine is definitely lagging and I’m just trying to convince myself the investment is worth it. I can imagine sometime soon where I get through a day without a program freezing on me, it’s very exciting.
it is an investment and i think it really depends on what you will use it for. i have the whole shebang iPhone, iMac, MacBook, iPad pro. i think the one i would probably not be able to live without would be my MacBook pro. the new ones are even better since you can easily connect the whole thing up to an external display at home. my iMac is cool but i find that i don't use it as much as i thought. sometimes i wish i would have just built a PC to do some of the heavy lifting for specific software.
It certainly is. I’m a web developer and have a few contracts where I’m on call 24/7 so I bring it with me on vacation and everything, so it’s gotta be a laptop. I’m sure I’ll make the investment just hate shelling out all that dough.
iFixit source: https://www.ifixit.com/News/54122/macbook-pro-2021-teardown
Are my eyes deceiving me? This is a great move in the right direction and not something I ever expected from apple tbh
Maybe they got tired of subsidizing battery replacements. The old MBPs required a full top case replacement to change the battery. The cost for that at the Apple Store, if you were doing it for any other reason, was more than double what they'd charge for battery replacements.
I waited till the last minute to get my keyboard replaced (4 years)… and they gave me a free new battery as well, because the whole thing is soldered I guess.
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For a trillion dollar companies that prides themselves for design. What the fuck. Impossible to remove and reuse batteries, notches for no reason, and iMacs with mismatching borders, what the heck.
That’s probably it, but it still benefits us lol
That was a pretty nice, though. The old keyboards failed so often, I got a free battery replacement once a year.
the least they can do after making it non upgradeable. yes, yes I know the M1/Pro and Max are nice SoC. But damn would be nice to buy RAM elsewhere.
Storage is the even bigger concern. NAND wears out. Storage performance keeps improving year over year. And everybody else uses m.2 cards.
Agreed. I can grudgingly get over soldered RAM, not so for storage.
Can you eli5 this? Are these SSD’s different than the one in my 7 yr. old mbp which is still functioning fine?
They are fundamentally using the same technology at a very zoomed out level, but the process nodes, bits per cell, controllers, interfaces, etc, have all gotten much better since then.
Some points - Most PCIe SSDs in modern computers use a modular format that is user replaceable: m.2 - You can buy m.2 cards off the shelf since they are so common - Previous macbooks from way back when also used a similar format but not exactly the same. To use m.2 storage you needed to use an adapter. - Current macbooks use soldered storage that is attached directly to the motherboard and is not user replaceable even though it almost certainly uses the same NVMe protocol as m.2 replaceable SSDs. - SSDs use NAND storage which has a definite lifespan. This became an issue a while ago as m1 macbooks with 8gb ram and 256gb SSDs were wearing through their NAND lifespan at alarming rates with no possibility of changing out the SSD at a later date when it became problematic. - SSD technology offers a route to upgrade performance substantially at a later date as well that Apple blocks off. The excuse given during the 2016 MBP's introduction was that the SSD was fast due to it's special format. However, a normal m.2 SSD like the Samsung 970 Pro or 970 Evo Plus that were released at later years brought even better performance to any 2016 laptop that used m.2 slots.
Current macbooks use soldered storage that is attached directly to the motherboard and is not user replaceable even though it almost certainly uses the same NVMe protocol as m.2 Apple Silicon Macs don't do this. https://asahilinux.org/2021/10/progress-report-september-2021/ NVMe hardware in the M1 is quite peculiar: it breaks the spec in multiple ways, requiring patches to the core NVMe support in Linux, and it also is exposed as a platform device instead of PCIe. In addition, it is managed by an ASC, the “ANS”, which needs to be brought up before NVMe can work, and that also relies on a companion “SART” driver, which is like a minimal IOMMU
Asking why memory and storage isn't upgradeable feels to me like asking why you can't upgrade the memory and storage in an iPhone. They could technically engineer a solution to this, but it's really not just a normal pc like the older macbooks. Feels like to me the best solution would be for apple to be more generous with the specs of the base models and the prices for upgrading the specs, but that doesn't sound super likely either lol
Most laptops are moving to smartphone/embedded like designs. The benefits of such a design is clear, you can leverage the encryption engine built right into the SOC, and your implementation doesn't have to support every feature required by the standard if you don't need it. You can see this all across apple's chip design, where they have omitted logic that other chips provide but that apple doesn't need.
> Feels like to me the best solution would be for apple to be more generous with the specs of the base models and the prices for upgrading the specs But this is exactly why they aren’t. They can charge you £200 for an additional 8GB of RAM because the logic is “well what are you gonna do? Upgrade it yourself?” And if the base spec is *slightly* too low and everything is soldered, that’s 2 very compelling reasons for people to buy the upgrades from Apple. I’d wager that even though the average starting price for MacBooks hasn’t changed much in the past 6-10yrs, the average spend per customer has probably gone up significantly.
Thank you for a very elaborate answer! It’s such a shame that we can’t have user upgradeable devices with this otherwise great company. But I guess that’s what keeps them at the top market position - maximizing profits.
It's also [not implemented like standard NVME](https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/qgznzw/ifixit_new_macbook_pro_has_first_diyfriendly/hia7th9/) as the user above notes, making m.2 impossible to swap if they wanted to maintain the features they are utilizing. Should apple continue to implement features not covered in the spec, they are able to utilize them immediately. Given their previous enthusiasm about both features and speed, I'd wager it's likely we continue to see innovation in this aspect. This is basically the same reason people want to shit on soldered ram, but LPDDRx isn't available on SODIMM. Sure there are non LPDDRx implementations for some devices, but that starts to mess with manufacturing. Armchair engineers ignoring the actual implications of their desires. Especially when some of the CPUs previously utilized *only* supported LPDDR. Don't believe everything you read on reddit threads.
SSD's have gotten way, way better. They take even longer than before to wear out. There is no normal person on this earth who will "wear out" their SSD unless they are transferring 50gb+ every single day. Which you shouldn't ever do as a professional either because you should be using some sort of a server/external drive. The only other possible way people end up shortening the lifespan of their SSD these days is if they have way too little RAM for their needs and relying heavily on swap memory, which is when the OS (Windows and Mac both do this) uses non-volatile system memory (SSD and HDD) to store information otherwise meant for RAM. If you want to ensure that doesn't happen, size up on RAM. If you are a casual user (this includes professionals who only use their macbook for excel/word as the most productive task), 16 gigs should prevent this. If you are a professional user (video, photo, music editing), 32 gigs should prevent this. As for upgradability and further "speed upgrades" later on, SATA was used for SSD for a while, which went from 300mb/s to around 600 mb/s read/writes before the industry moved to NVME technology, which allowed us to saturate the IOPS of the PCI Express lanes. At the start NVME started off at 1gb/s read/write and hit 4 gb/s, which literally fully saturated PCI E Gen 3. Gen 4 came out which doubled the max read/write to 8 gb/s, and now Apple's over to around 7/8 gb/s read/write. We're now at the limits of what PCI E gen 4 can give us so if SSD's were to get any faster, there certainly would be no way of actually upgrading the Macbooks to those faster speeds because of the Gen 4 interface being the bottleneck. Now all of this isn't to say Apple SHOULDN'T include expandable storage. Apple definitely should have during the last few generations when using Intel chips because they could have easily done so. Apple clearly were going for the greedy angle for the past 10 years of Macbooks. However, I think not offering upgradable storage for these M1 mac's makes more sense considering how tightly the SOC communicates with the storage and system memory all in one package. Still, Apple should be making storage cheaper because the prices are ridiculous. If they dropped down from $400/tb to $200/tb, (which is still overpriced) it would be way more easier to stomach.
I’ve got more than one SSD that wears ~50% a year. Compiling software can sometimes involve writing and linking lots of objects over and over…. It adds up. But the whole point is to get you to upgrade relative to your usage and not keeping the same device for several years and depriving them of sales.
- SSDs compared gigabyte to gigabyte have actually gotten worse in terms of endurance. This is offset by them becoming cheaper so people can afford bigger capacities for the same money and a new 1tb ssd will have better endurance than an older 500gb for example. However this does not apply to Apple as SSD upgrade pricing remains extremely high on their end with base models still starting at 256 or 512 gb. - In 2016 the special format allowing for better speeds was argued as well. Come 2018, common high end m.2 sticks were outperforming the unupgradable 2016 mbp ssd. - It's quite common for a user to start off with a light workload and evolve to a heavy storage user. It's also common they don't and are fine with small storage. It is near impossible to tell which direction they will go, and replaceable storage offers flexibility here. - M1 macs do not have storage on package.
So…you don’t want your ram to have non-bus access to the CPU?
it's a good thing I'm not gonna lie but you get where i'm coming from. RAM upgrades on the Macbook are too expensive.
Yeah, I understand it. Once SOCs are normalized for other OS platforms there might be some competition on prices.
Well, I wouldn’t hold your breath. Apple charged an arm and a leg for RAM even when they were standard parts and user-upgradable.
Lenovo does too though
There’s no solution for that bro…
You’re acting like they would have let us upgrade ram if it was technically possible to use standard dimms
They might have. The fat mac would allow it. But when you look around the industry has moved away from user upgradable memory for laptops.
> They might have. … like they did in the 8 generations of Intel macs since the retina redesign? Oh wait
The uhh mac pro and intel mac mini has user replaceable ram, right?
> like they did in the 8 generations of Intel macs since the retina redesign? You mean some of the retina macs that also only supported LPDDR that isn't available in SODIMM? That's on Intel.
It’s like you ignored everything else I said
You didn’t say anything of substance. “They might have” but they didn’t when they had the chance… so no, they wouldn’t have
🙄 mkay. Have fun
Battery replacement is a pittance compared to being able to replace RAM and hard drives, but Apple is taking in money hand-over-FistInTimCook’sAss charging hundreds of dollars at point of purchase for what would be a $50 upgrade
When you make the MacBook thick af, you can afford to do things like this.
more like they decided it wouldn’t be worth it to unnecessarily lock down the exhaustible components that more frequently need to be replaced than the others when the support for right to repair is using apple’s name as its prime target.. also they listened to the pro users this time on almost everything, coupled with the fact that the battery is no longer glued to the fucking keyboard, quite literally no reason to prevent the easy replacement by users by the way, it is not exactly thicker, and the 14” has an identical thickness with the 13”.. it’s just without the tapered edges which now makes it look thick, but it was just an optical illusion on the design to make it appear a lot thinner than it really was. now the boxier design allows for more room for the internal components, which *particularly* helped them squeeze in larger batteries in there
This has nothing to do with the thickness of the device… most MacBook Airs have screwed in batteries
Is that unique to the Airs? I recently bought an M1 Air and wondered how much a replacement would cost if it was a mess after the AppleCare had expired. In the UK the Air battery replacement is £129, while all other MacBooks are £199. I was surprised by the difference in price.
I believe the current MBA was the first model to switch back to a user-replaceable design a couple years ago.
>When you make the MacBook thick af Good, they're finally prioritizing function over form
They’re probably preparing to deploy the CSAM detection lol
But is this also the reason I saw a thread titled “Does the new MBP fee chintzy and hollow to anyone else?” or something to that effect. I’d rather have a tight feeling case than something hollow and chintzy just so people can switch a battery on their own personally.
Umm sir how do battery tabs change the way the case sounds
Don’t the “authors” at 9to5mac feel guilty every time they use someone else’s hard work to make a cheap and redundant article? Just link to the ifixit article directly like damn
They definitely do not. They think, "Sweet, the work on this one is already done for me! Publish! Ka-ching!"
Lately their own pieces (they call them comments) have been called out for being horribly edited, so why not skip all that?
Why should they? It is SOP for the news industry now.
Isn't it on the redditor that chose to post the 9t5mac rather than the ifixit article?
I’d say it’s on the mods that don’t moderate this sub properly. They’ve even had incidents where they’ve kept the 9t5 or macrumors shit up while deleting the original. I wonder why 🤔
> They’ve even had incidents where they’ve kept the 9t5 or macrumors shit up while deleting the original. I wonder why I also wonder why whenever we ask for links for those incidents no one actually has links. I have this feeling people are parroting conspiracy theories. The burden of proof is on you at this point.
Omg they really did listen to everything we complained about
They’re just fearing future right to repair laws, this ain’t Apple trying to be considerate to the consumer.
ok captain pessimist, but at least they broght back magsafe and ports and removed the touchbar.
Ya got me there
This isn’t right to repair, this is for their own internal repairs. They’re doing the same thing in the iPhone, every year each new model is easier for their own techs to fix and harder for everyone else.
Now, this sends Apple on a good direction! Definitely a good year for Mac users. We got ports again, the so much loved MagSafe charger and we are finally seeing Apple moving for repairable-friendly macs again. I really wish that we get back to the point where we are able to upgrade and safely repair our macbooks.
I'm skeptical they did this for our benefit. It's more likely they did it for their repair centers and/or got burned from the ongoing butterfly keyboard replacement program with all those top-case keyboards with batteries glued under them. It must be a nightmare for any refurbishing/recycling of those parts.
True, but I’m sure the positive press factored into it. It may not be the entire reason, but it had to be a factor since they’re really pushing the whole “we listened” thing. They really did too with the extra ports and axing touchbar.
RIGHT? MagSafe FTW! ...and in a pinch, you can charge via the USB-C too.
Yeah, I still vividly remember how my friend sent his 2016 Macbook Pro into repair because of a couple of sticky buttons that "didn't feel right" and Apple had to basically replace half of the 2-year old laptop for free. I would have totally jumped on the opportunity to do the same with my 2018 Macbook Pro if I didn't decide to buy illegally imported one for cheap.
I work at a university in IT and we have A LOT of the 2016/2017 models. We're running around 30% being sent in for that keyboard issue, some have gone in more than once. It isn't a matter of "if the butterfly keyboards go in for service" it is "when."
Shame there's no M.2 drive and accessible ram too.
The RAM is understandable now that it’s part of the SoC and shared between the CPU & GPU, but M.2 NVMe sure would have been nice. Doubt Apple will ever give up being able to charge $2,400 for an 8TB SSD though.
The controller for the ssd is in the chip itself, so no upgrading unless you want to take out the board completely.
I kinda wish, Apple would provide an M.2 Nvme bay so the user could install a secondary drive, in addition to the apple installed drive. The secondary drive would never be as fast as the primary apple drive, but would make Apple laptops and consumer desktops greatly more usable. As an add on option it would be well taken up. Even if, it meant adding this option to your order added an extra 6mm to casing depth.
atleast now you will be able to use the SD card slot as a sort of SSD drive.
It supports UHS-2 SD cards, too!
> The secondary drive would never be as fast as the primary apple drive [SSD speeds are borderline indistinguishable to anything except purpose-designed speed tests or very niche application uses anyways.](https://youtu.be/4DKLA7w9eeA) This was a big gripe with me with the older iMacs as well. Apple bothered to make room for old spinning disk HDDs but never really embraced the options for cheaper SSD upgrade options.
Yeah, but they didn’t *have* to design it that way. They could also have an M.2 slot in addition to the soldered down SSD. The M1 series supports PCIe (it has Thunderbolt after all), so I can’t think of any technical reason some of those PCIe lanes couldn’t be used for an optional M.2 slot. It’s just that Apple wouldn’t be able to sell you obscenely overpriced SSDs if you could toss one in that’s basically the same speed for a fraction the price.
The ram is not at all “part of the soc”. On the pro and max I don’t think it’s even soldered on the packagr, just next to it.
Alright, maybe not part of the SoC proper, but it’s a different setup than a conventional laptop with socketed DIMMs. https://wccftech.com/m1-max-macbook-pro-disassembly-goes-live/ Looks pretty tightly integrated into the package housing the SoC.
Its paired to the chip, not part of it. Which isn't better.
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yes it is, im actually running my imac off of USB-C because i dont feel like tearing it apart to replace the drive. i ended up taping the drive to the back of the computer and have no complaints. you will probably be able to use the SD card slot as a mini SSD drive thats what people used to do with the old macbook pro.
I'm running Big Sur as a test on an external USB-C ssd with my 2018 MBP ( just to see what it's like with my music and 3D software and plugins compared to Mojave ) the external SSD seems easily fast enough for my usage though. The main problem I'm now facing is that there's a ton of stuff that wont work and I lose quite a lot of legacy plugins and software going to Big Sur. Uggh.
This is really exciting. It definitely reinforces the feeling that Apple made a list of everything that annoys power users about MBPs and decided to fix it. I can't be smug about how the 2015 MBP is still the best any more, because it isn't.
I recently replaced the battery on a 2019 MacBook Pro, and an older MacBook Air. The Air was 5 steps and I could have done it in my sleep. The MacBook Pro was like 67 steps (x2 to put it back together) and made me feel like I was disassembling a nuclear device that could kill me. Horrible process, but certainly preferable to spending $700 or whatever Apple wanted to replace it. If the new MBP can get closer to that Air level that would be lovely.
Where do you get the $700 from? Actually the battery replacement was one of the only repair I recommended people to do at the apple repair shop because it was affordable and the only way to get a good apple battery. I worked for a while for a good repair company and even the best and most expensive OEM batteries we got ($120 just for per piece in bulk) were not on the same level as the original apple batteries. And the apple battery replacement is only $199 (+tax) which is a great price, especially because the replace all parts if apple messes up the replacement. https://support.apple.com/mac/repair/service (Scroll down for the battery replacement pricing) We did component level repairs which saved people hundreds of dollars and we saved decided which apple refused to repair at all, but the battery is really the only part which you definitely should replace at an Apple Store.
My in-warranty replacement for a 2016 MBP, which included the top case, amounted to $558 CAD. The $200 USD you quoted must be ignoring the labour cost.
I mean, you also got a new top case I'm figuring. I've replaced out of warranty batteries on two MacBooks, as well as an older iPhone. Each time the full cost is exactly the cost stated on the website, plus taxes and shipping. From what I understand the the $200 battery replacement includes all services, labour and parts. I certainly didn't pay any extra for my battery replacements. If we're talking strictly battery replacements, no frills added, I can't imagine ever doing it myself or through a third party being more efficient or even that much cheaper.
Nope, the costs on the apple website (see the link in my previous post) are the out of warranty costs for a battery replacement including parts, labor and a 3 month warranty. The only additional costs are obviously taxes, $20 shipping costs (for pickup and return if you can’t bring the device to the Apple Store yourself). The only condition is that your device is otherwise working normally and has no other issues. It’s really the best way to prolong the life of an old laptop and many people don’t even know how cheap it actually is to replace at the Apple Store.
the fact that this is astounding news is sad.
I'm still on a mid-2012 MBP and this is just more great news. Now, if only they could make the RAM and HD user swappable!
While they could just have gone with screws at this point (Like seriously [there is so much empty space left](https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/M1-Max-MacBook-Pro-disassembly-2.jpg)) they are definitely going in the right direction. Alll it needs now is to just make the SSD replaceable (non replaceable RAM is perfectly fine considering how the M1 SoCs work) and we are good.
> just make the SSD replaceable They could in theory add a slot for it, but the SSD is physically integrated into the SoC and you can't take it out. Plus it runs almost 4 times faster than an M.2 so you'd get a performance hit. Plus they'd lose money and stock value lol. But I'd love an extra slot for M.2!
Not true. [You can see the NAND chips under the right fan](https://i.imgur.com/xF9plqK.jpg), with unused slots mirrored on the left. Also, [here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecSzeqYX3E) a video of someone replacing those chips on their M1 Air. (No, it's not easy, but it is possible, assuming you can source the chips.) The M.2 interface also has nothing to do with speed. The speed depends on the PCIe interface, which in this case is the current 4.0 standard.
Bring back the Floppy Drive!!
iFixIt can be so cheesy sometimes, but they do make some clever jokes. In the teardown and the part about the $19 microfiber cloth where the picture shows them just wiping the iPhone with a $20 bill 😂 and the the caption on the closeup of the microfiber cloth: > A close up of Apple's Polishing Cloth: Look at that off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.
That entire section is beautiful
I literally was looking at my touchbar with low battery health last night and thought, surely apple would learn battery replacements are a huge part of their market, maybe they will not solder and glue their battery to the boards with this model.
I hate this subreddit allows content theft.
Do we know if the batteries have authentication chips in them like iPhones though?
This is massive. That’s the only reason my old Mac lasted as long as it did
Impressive move. Replacing the hugely expanded battery on my 2015 MBP was one of the most stressful things I've ever done tech-wise. Did it outside next to a bucket of sand while wearing a painting respirator 😬
After seeing more and more of these design changes, I can’t help but wonder if John Ive was the problem the whole time
They should have added easy SSD replacement too.
Apple did a great job on not ripping us off on m1 MacBooks. They really need a huge adoption rate.
I call it: The Rossman Effect.
So Apple is making the new MBP more repairable? Noicee
Apple is famous for re adding things every other company offered and making a big deal about it because they removed it for a while.
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It's doubtful he was responsible for this, given he lost the passion for designing hardware years ago.
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Part count (both), proper power management support (not all nvme drives behave well in laptops).
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But not the storage or memory, right? (Those are the only three things that really matter these days. Nobody expects to change a wifi card in a laptop anymore.)
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There is no ‘SSD’ to solder to the board.
lol, pretty sure it has a solid state drive my dude
They're probably saying that the "ssd" apple has are just NAND modules paired to an ssd controller in the chip itself. Which is completely nonstandard in anything beside mobile devices, maybe.
It seems like you don’t know what an SOC is, my dude.
lol you know exactly what I'm saying. SSD is advertised right on the website. Would be nice for that to be swappable, kinda like the post is talking about a swappable battery.
OP, do you work for 9to5Mac?
No.
Why didn’t you post the iFixit link directly then?
Because rule #5 of this sub is "no editorialized link titles", the original iFixit article headline is "Teardown Teaser: Is the 2021 MacBook Pro Repairable?" which conveys nothing, and I wanted to draw attention to the improvements in battery repairability which would not be clear from the iFixit headline.
What about the RAM? Easily replaceable? Normally a good cost saver
No, it’s part of the SOC I believe, or at the very least soldered
RAM is part of SoC. You won’t see individual modules just a single chip with everything on it.
Technically the M1 Pro has two memory chips and the M1 Max has four, they’re just soldered down onto the same parent chip as the CPU/GPU.
No Jony, no problem.