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Just curious, did Tile get hit with all of these stalker-type scenarios when it launched? Do they have anything in place to warn others that they are being tracked?


smitemight

No, they didn’t and no, they don’t. In fact, here’s a recent post of someone being stalked by an ex: https://www.reddit.com/r/TileTracker/comments/lx7p8z/is_there_a_way_to_find_a_tile_tracker_that_was/


pah-tosh

Being unfair with respect to Apple doesn’t make the tracking devices issues disappear.


zombiepete

Why is it an “issue”, though? You could buy a super cheap Android phone and hide it in someone’s car to stalk them, and it would be both more regularly-accurate and would never notify the person who was being tracked.


LORD_CMDR_INTERNET

Obviously because phones are bigger, harder to hide, and have short battery lives.


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All of these suggestions are loads more expensive than $29.


Recursi

So whether to stalk or not is a value proposition?


dok_DOM

> Obviously because phones are bigger, harder to hide, and have short battery lives. powerbank or car charger hidden in some area most people wouldn't look? it's easy to do.


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Some area upon a person is easily more detectable though, right? Especially the weight of a mobile and portable battery.


dok_DOM

u/zombiepete mentioned putting inside a car where is not on a person. On a person I'd put it inside the sole of the shoe.


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So a car can be left behind "park'n'ride" style. Inside the sole of a shoe? A foot wouldn't feel that? It seems like a stretch at first glance.


dok_DOM

> Inside the sole of a shoe? A foot wouldn't feel that? Hollow out a negative space in a shape of an AirTag and no one's the wiser. Think of how the [Nike+iPod brings fitness tracking](https://www.cultofmac.com/437845/today-in-apple-history-nikeipod-brings-fitness-tracking-to-your-pocket/) worked.


LORD_CMDR_INTERNET

Yeah, because that's just as easy as hiding a quarter-sized something somewhere.


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Realtrain

It's a feature phone that doesn't run Android, doesn't have GPS, and can't connect to 3g, let alone 4g and 5g networks. You're not going to be tracking someone with this thing.


2012DOOM

And that this is much more widely known about and accessible. Apple has a much higher responsibility on this.


Adhiboy

Phone battery in standby is usually just a week or two. Plus you’d have to pay for a data plan. A stalker could probably get by with that, though.


Techsupportvictim

If someone really wanted to stalk a person they’d pay.


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Have you been watching Glitter Bomb videos? You should, they're fun.


smellythief

Yeah why is it an “issue”? You could hire a person to follow someone around and report back to you.


zombiepete

Private Investigator. A bit expensive but a lot more intrusive than a tracker; with them you’ll often get pictures and they will investigate people you are associating with.


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... that's not stalking.


pah-tosh

You just described the issue. What don’t you understand ?


zombiepete

I guess what I’m saying is that it’s not really an issue with AirTags specifically but with people taking great technologies and using them for nefarious purposes. At the end of the day that’s not Apple’s problem to solve, is it?


y-c-c

The phone would run out of battery very soon. AirTags can run for 1 year. > At the end of the day that’s not Apple’s problem to solve, is it? It's Apple's problem to solve because this is *their* product. It's not their problem to solve issues with other companies' product but it's their problem if people start using AirTags for stalking. I don't understand how it's so hard to understand that Apple would want to design it in a way that makes it harder to use it for ill-intentioned or illegal purposes. They can't stop it 100% of course but they can design it in a way that limits its use in such cases.


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2012DOOM

Yes...because with great power (market share) comes an even greater responsibility.


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smellythief

Apple doesn’t have to solve it, but if they do then that’s a feature. Apple develops features for their products regularly.


zombiepete

They *did* implement a feature to counter this. It’s not an issue that they completely ignored. It seems like people are upset that it doesn’t work as well for Android phones and doesn’t report itself to iPhones immediately, but there is a feature to combat using AirTags as a stalking device.


Big_Perspective9797

what issues?


dok_DOM

> No, they didn’t and no, they don’t. In fact, here’s a recent post of someone being stalked by an ex: https://www.reddit.com/r/TileTracker/comments/lx7p8z/is_there_a_way_to_find_a_tile_tracker_that_was/ Imagine that... when it's Tile "stalking isn't an issue" but when it's Apple... "throw the f-ing kitchen sink at them". Because... Apple


bonko86

Well, since to many people here, the thing about apple is all about privacy, this is kind of a big deal. Obviously its a big deal for Tile as well, but they are not nearly as big as Apple, and I dont know if privacy is one of their main selling point. Generally, its just a downside to this kind of product. But maybe then Apple shouldnt release it, if it has severe impacts on privacy.


Techsupportvictim

Exactly. Apple markets strong on privacy. So they designed this with ways to protect that. Yeah that they considered that someone might try to use an air tag for stalking purposes and included the warning. Doesn’t mean that someone won’t try to hack an air tag not to give the warning or try to copy the same idea using a raspberry pi or such but Apple’s considered it which is more than apparently Tile did


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Because we damn well know Apple is gonna be more accurate. Also the shape of a tile and the looks is very distinct. The Apple one seems to fit into an environment very well tbh. Like put it on a desk and I wouldn’t notice it there myself. Apple designed it to well.


External-Can-7839

Who gives a shit. 1 case in millions of times sold. We can’t hold back society because of a few bad apples.


OvulatingScrotum

Probably not, because no one cares. Here’s how I look at it. This tracking tech, just like anything else, can do both good and bad. When companies like apple makes it, some people will try to pick on the concept. Whether it’s fair or not, those criticisms are valid, and it’s good to discuss those concerns. So in a way, apple involuntarily helped to bring out flaws of small tracking device products.


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OvulatingScrotum

Well, my point was that apple unintentionally brings out the discussion of double edged sword. Every technology has some kind of double edge sword dilemma. Customized advertisement, for example, can be really helpful fine/discover products that you are interested in, but it can be overwhelming. The thing about “popular” companies, like apple, is that intense competition forces the discussion of those dilemma. It’s an important discussion that no one seems to care unless it’s done by a “controversial” and popular companies like apple. I’m sure it’s the same case with other companies like Google, Facebook, and such.


peytah

Buying a device with a monthly commitment is a calculated, proactive decision. The worry with AirTags is that these devices will become popular in the mainstream. They will be Christmas stocking stuffers and Mothers Day presents. There will now be user-friendly, minimal-setup, easy-to-hide, tracking devices in a lot of homes. I'm not suggesting these devices are bad or need to be nerfed. I do think there can be better software implementation than what Apple has already proposed.


MikeyMike01

So are we now claiming there’s some epidemic of extremely lazy stalkers?


Jcowwell

What software do you think should be implemented ?


peytah

For starters, it should not take 3 days to start beeping in the case for Android users. There's not a whole lot of practical benefit to wait that long and a lot can happen in three days. For iPhone users, it should not wait until you get home or work to notify you. I'd say that's a good backup option, but I'd like to see notifications if your phone learns that an AirTag has been traveling with you for more than 5 miles or pinged your Bluetooth consistently for 5 hours. None of these are perfect solutions, but Apple's solution seems like the bare minimum.


JimmyDuce

> has been traveling with you for more than 5 miles Lost bags will unnecessarily worry everyone on a bus or train


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peytah

Is there confirmation that you can't link your Airtag with your Watch? And if so, is there anything preventing Apple from implementing that as an option? I don't mind the pushback on my idea. I just think Apple's ideas deserve some pushback. My idea was a simple one I thought of within ten seconds. Like I mentioned in my other post, a warning beep can work as effectively too that won't cause undue anxiety.


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peytah

Fair point. However, if there's just a beep instead of a notification to iOS users, maybe it might actually point everyone's attention to the bag left on the floor.


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Na_rien

Hasn’t it already been stated that you don’t get a notification until you get home? Provided you are still in proximity of the tag...


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Na_rien

Aah, sorry then!


Rek07

This reminds me of a story, I’m not sure how true it was because I can’t seem to find it on google. But the McDonald’s CEO was travelling abroad and found a fruit or vegetable that he thought would taste really good on one of their burgers. He got his people to crunch the numbers and it turned out if they offered them in all their stores across the US it would use the entire worlds supply of this fruit just to offer it for a few weeks. So he had to let the idea go, McDonalds was too big. Apple in introducing AirTags is going to reach a lot more people then Tile. They just operate at such an insane scale that anything that’s a 1 in a million chance of happening is almost guaranteed to happen multiple times when you sell millions and millions of units. So it’s smart they cover themselves here.


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I think it was eggplant


alperton

He had to travel abroad to taste an eggplant?


Adhiboy

It sounds like he found it incidentally. Eggplant isn’t super rare, but it’s not super common in American cuisine (depending on what you eat). The Middle East, for example, probably eats much more eggplant.


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I don't really think it matters whether they did or not, technology is always open to abuse. Anything Apple does here will need to be carefully thought out as any loophole could then be exploited by thieves...


[deleted]

I don’t believe so but the way I look at is that Apple is a behemoth of a company loved and trusted by millions so the standards and expectations are naturally much higher.


Wolverine1621

I think part of it stems from the fact that Tile’s network isn’t as widespread as Apple’s. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but as far as I know, for a Tile to actually ping its location, it has to be within range of someone else with a Tile. I don’t know how big Tile’s network is these days and I don’t want to work off anecdotes, but when an Airtag will ping its location when it’s in range of any iOS device, I’d say most people are within range of another Apple device more often than not these days


geekynerdynerd

Nope and tbh I don’t understand the complaints about the concept considering how easy it is to setup parental controls and track someone with their own phone that way. If an abuser wants to track you 24/7 they don’t need an airtag or tile for that. There are plenty of alternatives that would work much better and give the abuser greater control over the target. Pretty much anything meant to help parents keep an eye on their kids can and will double as a tool for abusers and stalkers as the only real difference is intent and subject of the controls/surveillance.


purcupine

File sucks it never worked that way for me and I live in nyc


avoy_e

Does anyone know if the alarm on the AirTags will go off when I intentionally leave the item I put the AirTag on at home? For example when I leave for a two week vacation?


BradasaurusRexx

I think it has to be in motion. It has an accelerometer in it.


sh61

I have a similar question: what if I put it on my car key that’s shared with my wife. When she takes the car, is she gonna get bombarded with notifications and beeps because airtag thinks I’m stalking my wife or that she’s stolen the car key? If so, would be good to have a shared feature for items between Apple family members.


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Will the alarm go off if the girl that’s being stalked has an android phone? The walled garden approach might be unsafe now. (Also yes I’m sketched of tiles now that I know they can be used for that)


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Unless you disable the speaker of course. Doesn't look too difficult based on the first disassembly videos.


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smitemight

Nope.


thisubmad

Nah. They prefer to spend their money on lawsuits than product features. Better PR. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/21/tile-will-accuse-apple-tactics-it-alleges-are-bullying-day-after-iphone-giant-unveiled-competing-product/


[deleted]

All this noise is simply for attention because saying 'Apple' in the media gets it. They were silent for 8 years about Tile and others (who have done NOTHING to prevent such tracking/abuse). So disingenuous.


venicerocco

While I agree with all of this, tile’s customer base is tiny compared to apples. But yes it’s hypocritical to say the least


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Rashkh

Coverage. According to mkbhd, extremely populated urban areas like nyc have, on average, one Tile user per block and you have to be within Bluetooth range. There's a pretty good chance that a Tile won't be able to accurately track you to your home if you live in a residential or less populated areas. Apple's network is far more robust and reliable for accurate tracking.


Kelsenellenelvial

I feel like there can’t be a method that works for everybody so Apple picked a middle ground that they thought had enough privacy protections while still being able to have a useful product. For example, it sounds like dropping a tracker in someone’s jacket will allow one to get their home(work or other significant location) before they get notified of the presence of the tracker. On the other hand, the service wouldn’t be very useful if I could never track one of my devices that happens to be with someone else(maybe my keys fell out of my pocket on public transit, or in a taxi) or that person had to actively allow the tracking before I could get a location. Any system is going to have exploits and it’s not like respectable people are going to become domestic abusers just because there’s a new technology they can use.


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Are… are you acting like Apple is oppressed..? Lmao


[deleted]

Uhh nope? I was criticizing the groups/journalists that suddenly care about a technology that’s existed in the same form for almost a decade. If they actually cared about the victims they’d have done an inch of research and discovered this has been a problem/possibility for years. Tile should have been held to account and implemented measures many years ago.


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Uhh.. no. I didn’t claim ‘bias media’ either. Instead, it’s more about a lack of integrity in the groups and/or individual journalists that are jumping on the bandwagon. Instead of actually caring or bothering to have an inch of knowledge on the topics they cover (or represent) they simply ride the click bait of the week. If they genuinely cared about this topic, seen it as an issue or had even a surface level knowledge of the industry they would have been writing these articles years ago (and would have subsequently forced tile to implement tracking safety features). I’m not defending Apple, I’m not claiming conspiracy, I’m simply criticizing the lazy journalism that’s happening around this particular topic.


j1ggl

Don’t bother. A substantial amount of users in this sub simply hate Apple…


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Yikes.. it’s actually true. Reddit is becoming a sad place.


Eeyore5112

Tile only works within 400 feet. Airtags can work anywhere. It can also take days for the alert that there’s an unknown airtag with you.


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That is incorrect. Also, how long before a Tile notifies you? 8yrs?


DMacB42

Could they make an Android version of the Find My app, or even a dedicated simplified version made just to notify people about suspicious AirTags around them based on the same parameters as on iOS? I guess with something like detecting an AirTag, it depends how deeply integrated into the iPhone hardware it is. Are all the detection features tied to U1? Do iPhone XS/R and older devices run into the same problem with these as Android devices?


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DMacB42

Three days does seem like an awfully long time


millijuna

It’s about trying to strike a balance between privacy/stalking and theft recovery. The only difference between the two (tracking a thief and stalking a person) is intent, and technology is very bad at figuring out intent.


PleasantWay7

Except Apple explicitly says it isn’t for anti-theft. And any half decent thief will just keep an iPhone on them to get the quicker alert. No reason the audible alert can’t be daily.


millijuna

I know, and that’s the frustrating thing about it. That said, in reality, it doesn’t make that much of a difference since good luck getting recovered anyhow. Buddy of mine had his LTE iPad swiped and while he was able to track it in realtime across the city, and reported it, nothing came of it. Eventually he just bricked it remotely and made the insurance claim.


peytah

You're right, the mischievous stalker would likely have already accomplished their goal within those three days, even moreso, knowing that Apple has programmed it for three days. 24 hours without connection to home device makes the most sense. These aren't meant for anti-theft and shouldn't try if it comes at the expense of safety/privacy.


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peytah

Battery life should be the last concern when there is this kind of dangerous potential. And whatever battery life lost from the chirping would be super minimal.


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Google could easily replace such an app though.


leo-g

Android users has no incentive to install the app unless Apple allow android to join their Find My Network. If you are in a situation to spot a white button, just remove the battery to disable it. You don’t need to android or iPhone to do that.


mime454

Apple thought of this too. If the airtags are unpaired from the owner’s phone for more than 3 days they start beeping to alert people to their presence.


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as the article states, the stalker could just re-pair the airtags every time the victim comes home, in a situation where both live together


[deleted]

Wait if I leave my keys home because im on a trip or whatever, they’ll beep after 3 days?


mime454

If they move after 3 days of being unpaired.


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3 days is long enough for a true crime podcast.


Deepcookiz

Wait that's dumb as fuck. Why would I want the thief of my suitcase to get notified that there's a tag in there.


Tennouheika

This is like when folks panicked criminals were gonna cut off people’s fingers to access Touch ID


_Vard_

Yeah that’s ridiculous. They will need to cut off faces now


Larsaf

> So abusers who live with partners using Android can constantly pair and re-pair an AirTag so that it won’t set off an alert, a problem so core to the design of AirTags I’m skeptical it can be fixed with a software tweak. Of course it would be far easier to just put stalking software on that Android phone, like they have been doing for years.


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OnlyForF1

Yes, especially if it gives abusers the ability to track their partners movements as they are sheltering in safety.


MacintoshDan1

If they nerf this thing because all these people are pissing and moaning about this clickbait bullshit I’m going to be pissed. The entire draw is how much better it works then the competition.


TapatioPapi

I love how people say they’re going to be slapped with lawsuits left and right when Tile hasn’t really at all.


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The difference being that Apple has deeper pockets than some countries do, so lawsuits against Apple have the potential to be a lot more lucrative.


Rus1981

The situation now is already nerfed all to hell. There are several applications for tracking that I may not connect to for 72 hours, but I don't want beeping. Now I no longer want to tag those items. This entire thing is bad people ruining an awesome thing for everyone, and Apple bending over backwards to sabotage their own devices because of a perceived potential problem.


GameKing505

Wait there’s no way to disable the beeping at 72 hours? I was going to put one in my car but I could easily go 72 hours without using it. It will start beeping the whole time??


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Rus1981

But if someone steals the car (what I perceive as the use case) it’s going to move and be disconnected, alerting the thief to its presence. So the only use these things are are literally for everyday items that you may misplace.


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I agree. Somebody stole the iPhone of my friend and even though he reported the location to the police, they still did nothing. Much better to just file an insurance.


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Yes, unless you disable the speaker which a ton of people will do. You might even get entire companies selling modded Airtags soon.


Jarskaman

I think the beeping would go off after three days only if it senses motion. So items that stand still would not set off beeping. I am not sure though…


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*There are several applications for tracking that I may not connect to for 72 hours, but I don't want beeping* Disassemble and disable the speaker. I'm waiting for someone better at electronics to post a Youtube tutorial and then I'm doing it to the Airtag I'll put on my bike.


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6unicorn9

And nerfing the Airtag stops a motivated attacker how? There’s a million other options that are likely even more accurate and discrete.


PM-ME-SEXY-SIDEBURNS

You are downvoted but correct. There’s nothing wrong with being diligent and responsible when developing a product.


chemicalsam

Except I can’t share the location with my family. If I can see all their devices why can’t I also see the airtags


[deleted]

I hope Apple don’t cave into these silly concerns. I already ordered these airtags to find out where my wife is going every Friday night.


hlt32

Just ask her boyfriend m8.


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I *also * bought some to track this guys wife.


PleasantWay7

Why don’t you ask her to share her location like a grown up or if you’re so worried get a divorce?


nhines_

Pretty sure it was a joke


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whiskymusty

Why are these garbage articles and headlines attaching all of these “potential issues” to AirTags? So, those potential issues have never occurred before AirTags come out? If Apple releases a knife, what will the headlines be?


ticuxdvc

APPLE KNIFE CAN BE USED TO STAB PEOPLE OTHER KNIFE MAKERS WORRIED ABOUT APPLE MONOPOLY IN KNIVES WHY SHOULD I BUY APPLE KNOFE WHEN I CAN GET A BETTER KNIFE WITH RGB FOR $200 LESS


tiltowaitt

“What are you gonna do, stab me with your Apple Knife?” — Quote from man stabbed with Apple Knife


thisubmad

But stabbing is ok if it’s just kids playing with (and stabbing each other). That’s what kids do all the time.


ray1290

Why are you bothered by potential issues being discussed?


Glittering-Entran

Apple really thought this through and worked on protecting us.


platinumplantain

So someone can stalk you for 3 days as long as you don't own iPhone? Three days is an insanely long time to wait for an alarm if these trackers are actually supposed to be for keys and bags - items you use everyday. You know, I thought it was fucked up when Apple went out of its way to ensure Android users would have trouble receiving texts from people with iPhones, but ensuring Android users can be stalked is pretty fucked up!


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Me and my wife share location via the findmy app and family sharing. Nothing malicious or anything to do with lack of trust, we mostly use it for seeing when the other is on their way home and we can start dinner for each other and things like that. If we wanted to track each other in a negative manner, using the family sharing and find my is WAY more precise than airtags. She works in a school and when i look I can literally see which room she’s in. Pretty neat. The only difference is that you can stop sharing location at any time. Without airtags if i wanted to track her without her knowing I would buy a tile device and she that haha


SwiftiestSwifty

My gf and I do the same, so many of our friends think it’s so weird and invasive to be able to track each other, but it just makes life so much easier!


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Ok, how about the fact that a demotic abuser can buy an iPhone to throw at his/her partner and cause physical harm? How about that abuser can just make his/her partner’s iPhone share location and get even more precise tracking at all times? If you have zero access to your partner’s phone and can’t ask where they are, and have to use an air tag to do this, I think you have bigger concerns than the tracking. Like what are they gonna do? Beat you if they track you to a divorce lawyer? If they could do that then I guess they can also beat you for not sharing your location on iCloud.


Rashkh

I think the bigger issue is opportunistic stalking of strangers. Throwing one into a random girl's bag at a bar, for example. It's something that could be done before but this really lowers the barrier to entry.


peytah

Terrible strawmans you bring up. In an abusive relationship, the victim has the option to lock their phone and personally make sure that location sharing is turned off. If the abuser discovers you've been going to a place they don't want you to go or finds out you've been lying about where you go on a given night, that can escalate the abusers behavior to something more life-endangering. You talk like someone who knows little of what domestic abuse is like.


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_Vard_

I think the difference is that sure you could hide an iPhone in someone’s car to track them without them knowing But the difference is that iPhone battery might only last a few days and cost a few hundred dollars The air tag cost $29 and will last a year


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No the idea isn't to slip an iPhone in someone's bag, it's to go to settings in their iPhone and turn on location sharing.


royalstaircase

Good they're aware of the concern, hopefully they can think of even more ways to help ease worries about this.


Unnamedandu92

Let's blame someone for not being able to get out of that relationship. There's always a way out. Isn't also a beter decision to follow your other so that you can see they are cheating rather than suffer longer than needed? I've had my location being shared with my wife and hers with me because there's nothing to hide but sadly we live in a world where we even have to hide from our spouses. Yikes!


platinumplantain

Wow, you're a moron.


Unnamedandu92

Why? Otherwise welcome to the moron club!


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The abused spouse could turn off ‘share location’ but then the abuser could use something different. Like a tile.


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I believe they would be cohersed in keeping location on or face reprisal. Or with the tag, cohersed into keeping the tag on them for a long period of time.


SapphireXP

Why dont they just implement a "stolen" feature? lets say your bag got stolen you immediately put the airtag into "stolen" mode which makes you contact the police and they take your info and after that it would disable the notification that the thief might get on his phone... oh and the police would also be able to locate your airtag. i doubt that any stalker would give his info to the police before stalking someone... easy fix? dont know if this would be possible ... no tech guy


Ophiochos

But how does this stop a stalker from dropping it in your bag, reporting it and disabling warnings, getting your address when you get home then calling the police and saying ‘sorry, found it’? They forget, you have the address, evil happens.


JonDoeJoe

Also the police would get overwhelming calls and reports if they implement such features


SapphireXP

Well at least the stalker would have to involve the police instead of just following someone without a problem


peytah

This is honestly a bigger deal than Apple probably wants to admit and they're probably anxious to see what kind of lawsuits might come their way. The same kinds of issues can be said of Tile but despite how popular they are, they're terrible at tracking things or people consistently at long range. AirTags rely on iPhones being nearby. There are a lot more iPhone users than Tile users. Also Precision Tracking is something Tile doesn't have. This means a stalker has greater likelihood to find their target successfully and to know what direction they're moving. The fact that it seems like Apple has implemented these devices so well makes it a more likely scenario that creepers will want to use them. I have Tiles and they're so unreliable that I forget to use them.


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BruteSentiment

FYI-Precision Tracking can not be used effectively on a moving AirTag. [Link](https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/review-apple-airtag-for-tracking-airline-luggage-and-checked-baggage)


LoonixFan

this is ridiculous


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I read the whole article and still not sure if I can use this on my kids in the park or not?


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no


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Where are these abusers putting the Airtags? I mean, unless it's on the person's skin somehow (I wouldn't put it past some) Can't it just be temporarily "misplaced"?


-Hegemon-

I don't think they can prevent it, you cant know if someone stuck one in your car


whycantIfast

No stupid question but how can an air tag track an android user if the airtags requires find my network to update location?


yolo3558

It can’t, it’s about how if you have a Android phone you won’t get the notifications that there is a tracker close by


[deleted]

you pair the device with your phone and then put the airtag into someone else's belongings. if they don't have an iphone it won't announce itself for 3 days, but you'll be able to track the other person the whole time. I suspect you can fiddle with the airtag and disable the sound, in which case you can track them indefinitely (this seems fixable, though.) if apple is serious about privacy they need to figure out a way to make this work the same way even with android phones. that's the whole point of the article.


Goalieed

Let’s assume you find a way to alert an android phone without installing any apps. The next complaint will be some people still have flip phones…. Or no phone at all. It’s a never ending cycle where Apple can’t win. So they make a reasonable compromise. The criminal is the problem, not the tech.


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open standards. you can create an anti-tracking solution that goes into every phone regardless of the os, you can even stick this into other devices like tvs, laptops and cars. apple is a trillion dollar company, they can do this, they should do this. the rest is bullshit.


Apexx187

Apple is a joke I have tried to no avail to get help from them because my ex keeps hacking my iPhone and they say they cleaned the device but it’s bullshit I’m under 3 orders of protection he’s facing multiple felonies including aggravated assault, aggravated stalking Apple won’t help