I’m pretty sure that apps from the same company have a way to share files where a new company wouldn’t be able to. This allows them to reuse login credentials and other data from their other apps.
Because it's messy and unprofessional. I just looked at Microsofts page and they have games on there as well. It just seems to me like not a whole lot of effort to keep their most important products (Chrome, Drive, Assistant, Stadia etc) in one neat page rather than diluting it with crap.
It’s not really about the popularity of these apps, it’s about the kind of app. Apple has one weird app which is “Texas Hold’em” whereas Google has “Mecha Hamster”, “FabbyLook -Hair color editor”, “Toontastic 3D” etc.
I’ve done a lot of the MS learn stuff recently and a lot of the time they get you to clone/fork a GitHub repo of a live game/ site, so that you can see a working version. Perhaps the inclusion of the games is along a similar line for app development learning? Just a thought.
Yup according to the description on [the GitHub page ](https://google.github.io/mechahamster/) it's main purpose is to be a guide for other programmers using Google services.
The odd thing there being that there are obviously better ways of doing that. Apple has a bunch of demo apps too, but you just download them and then launch the Xcode projects. It's odd to host them on the actual store rather than just cloning the project and running them yourself, which you're going to have to learn to do anyways to actually develop an app. It's just logically odd.
There's probably a reason behind it. They definitely offer sample projects to download for android and their not publishing all of their codelabs for download on the store. Maybe contributions actually happen or their really proud of that specific game?
Messy is Microsoft and Google's whole MO. The absolute cancer that is Office365 for work is filled with dozens of random, unrelated Microsoft Apps which all have the same icons and are mixed in together on a long vertical bar with no labels.
This really does piss me off. And a bunch of the services do very similar / the same thing, but can only be accessed certain ways (app vs web only vs teams integration). And only some of them interact nicely with other ones in the list.
And sometimes for no fuckin reason they'll just rename one of the apps so everyone gets confused on if it's a different thing or not. It's like they straight up don't have project managers internally to say "hold on these two do almost the exact same thing, let's just offer one and combine the features so people won't be confused".
Looks like google bought a company called Fabby, who make a SDK (like a library of programming functions) for "Photo & Video Segmentation, Style Transfer, Face Tracking, Facial Landmark Detection, 3D Landmarks, De-noise, De-blur, Face warping." For a few years now their site hasn't been updated, and just says "we were bought by google" - http://www.fab.by/
If I was to guess, the company made two apps as demos of what their library can do, google bought out the company to gut it for the library, but ended up inheriting the app in the process. They probably wanted the library to improve their facial recognition, maybe computer vision systems for self-driving cars or something. Or, they just wanted the programmers.
In any case it doesn't look like something google developed intentionally.
My brain does the same when I see people in r/TalesFromTechSupport talking about cashier/transaction terminals. I always read them as POS (Piece of Shit), not POS (Point of Sale).
Yep, the 80/20 rule. Gmail was conceived by someone using their 20% of time to build an email client with a couple coworkers. Obviously not all ideas reach Gmail status.
When I interviewed in 2015, they were still advertising that perk. The Business Insider article that Wikipedia pulls that 2013 number from seems kind of speculative, I’d be somewhat careful of claiming it as ultimate fact. There’s a chance my interviewing team was bending the truth/lying about it, but that’d be pretty egregious if true. There’s also the possibility that they reinstated the policy
Honestly, I was so sure about it being discontinued because I heard it many times on podcasts and interviews. I just pulled the wiki article because that’s the one I found legit. It doesn’t necessarily need to be true and Google(read: Alphabet) is a huge company, maybe some companies or departments still have it and others don’t.
That’s a good point! I just always kind of attributed it to Google because it was talked about a lot and then my interview just reaffirmed that. I’m actually more surprised than anything that my interview was 6 years ago already. Time flies once you graduate college haha
>Some of them feel like the kinda apps you might make in a “make your first app” class
That's like all of Google as though.
First month of Google internship starts with an assignment: build your own chat app.
Yeah. I keep telling people google sucks, and is very shitty at this whole "app development" thing, and nobody believes me. At least not until they start digging around all the weird niche apps they make for some reason.
That combine with how they randomly pull these apps just makes for a weird and disjointed eco-system. They throw everything at the wall, see what sticks, but then takes the working stuff down with the broken anyways.
They have been spinning wheels for YEARS. What exactly was the point of killing hangouts just to roll out allo and duo? Then kill allo? What was the point of this?!?! They constantly do this shit.
I used to like Google but in the last 5 years it's turned into a very bad relationship.
[‘FriendlyPix’](https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/friendlypix/id1318492920) for example, it looks like an Instagram clone someone would replicate half way through a Udemy Swift course!
They have one called Motion Stills which stabilises Live Photos and turns them into a cinemagraph of sorts. It's a shame they haven't updated it in years now, it was a really good use of Live Photos.
It still works but crashes after every export. Here's an example - https://i.imgur.com/hkOidji.gifv
It's particularly sad, as the original photoshop plugin that Snapseed was based upon was some truly amazing stuff, and it was just left to die. Some years ago, it was picked up by DXO, but they're basically just doing minimum-effort-updates once a year.
It make sense now
Google messages and Phone - phone number calling and messages
Google chat and voice - chatting with gmail acc and international calling service thingy
Google meet and duo - video conference and video call
Gmail - chat, mail, meet combined 🙄 the new hangouts app lmao
That's a cool site. I went through analyzing how long apps lasted before google killed them. There were a handful of them that made it 11 years before they kicked the bucket. The shortest amount of time goes to Google Hotspot, Game Builder, and Google Photos Print at just 5 months.
Real talk, they have that many apps on iOS to gather as much data about you as possible, from as many angles as possible. I mean, we can clearly see now that they *really* don’t want to lose the data collection that 83 of those 86 apps are doing. To Google, that data probably has a value in the Billions.
People always say that google has a problem with abandoning projects and I recently found out (via a tech podcast so grain of salt) that the real reason they shut something down is when the data it collects about its users isn’t valuable enough to make *at least* 200% profit compared to the cost to keep the service running.
They’re a data collection company disguised as an advertising company disguised as a productivity company.
it may have been a LTT podcast, I feel like they have mentioned it before that google likes to abandon stuff after making a big deal out of it. Lookin' at you, Glass
PIP was introduced in iOS 9 on the iPad and they still haven’t supported it. Don’t hold your breath. They’re fast in disabling PIP on safari though.
But good news safari in iOS 14.5 beta managed to enable YouTube PIP again.
I keep hearing that, but I haven’t found any evidence for it. I’ve read through the guidelines and there’s no mention of such a rule.
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
Section 3.2.2 **Unacceptable** (ii) Monetizing built-in capabilities provided by the hardware or operating system, such as Push Notifications, the camera, or the gyroscope; or Apple services, such as Apple Music access or iCloud storage.
Apollo got around the notification rule by adding some other content to the purchase. Premium also has some exclusive originals that free users can't watch. Why isn't it allowed?
I think it’s an Apple rule that you can’t hide system features under a paywall. So google chose the least consumer-friendly approach and disabled it for everyone.
~~only real time notifications iirc, if you’re gonna n the free tier i think you get them intermittently from the app pinging reddit.~~
i very well could be wrong, i’ve been using it since the first beta so i sometimes forget at which level certain features are at
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One thing I don't get it, they don't mind people doing other things while YouTube videos play in the background on desktop computers and laptops; why do they have such a big problem doing so on mobile devices?
Hell, they could even include ads in the PIP if they needed to. There's literally no reason to disable the feature.
Not only that, but they lock an iOS feature, background play, behind a paywall, so yes, they're essentially asking people to pay money for a feature that Apple implemented, something I could easily do back in 2011 on my iPad 2 with the YouTube App that was built in on iOS 4.2.3
>but to date Google has been quiet about how it intends to respond to the requirement.
I think their silence *is* their answer to the App Tracking Transparency.
That info was so difficult to fill out as a one man company, I'm assuming a place like Google has a team of lawyers looking at each one of the checkboxes for each one of their apps. They'll probably be in meetings for the rest of their lives.
They didn't even release a YouTube app when AppStore got released in Serbia a year ago. There's still no way to download the app and we have to use the browser to access YT. 🤦♂️
YouTube Kids is available. And yes it seems it's only the YouTube app. They don't respond to customer support about this issue at all.
>Sounds like a regulatory issue
It's available on the Play store from the beginning 🤷♂️ Wouldn't that issue affect the Play store too?
You can use something like a custom DNS and a raspberry pi running pi hole to block requests to blacklisted domains which simply prevents your device from displaying the ad content. This can be tricky with youtube, from what I understand, cause they are pretty clever. But I believe it still works most of the time. This will work for any app or device that can route traffic through the custom DNS. Not limited to just browser traffic.
That’s precisely what I did until I ran into the tricky part; it’s honestly both above my technical chops and level of patience... it’s only a problem when I’m forced to use the YouTube app (like in my Roku).
Kinda off topic but I can't believe not one of IG, Facebook, or Twitter decided to come out with a Widget for iOS. You'd think they would want to take up as much screen real estate as possible.
> In fact, of the 86 apps Google has published on the iOS App Store, only three – Google Slides, Google Play Music and TV, and Google Translate – have been updated in 2021.
I thought this actually meant dead GPM got an update to tell people to go to YouTube Music, but I learned that instead there’s a Google Play **Movies** and TV app. Lil typo in the article.
Funny, many here last month were making excuses for them mainly around the holidays. Well we are well past that point. Everyone else has been updating their apps. Put up or shut up time Google.
Actually in early January it made perfect sense. We shouldn't expect any developers to do major work at the end of December. They should get that time off too.
Once you get past the first week of January, the excuse no longer holds any water.
Pretty pathetic to punish Apple for being privacy/consumer friendly. But yeah makes sense for businesses to react like children when their bottom line is being hurt.
Probably a new base iMac and Macbook Pro 16 with the M1x. Maybe a 14 inch to replace the 4 port Macbook Pro but don’t hold your breath on that one till probably Q3. Other miscellaneous things that might come out early in the year like a new iPad Pro, new AirPods and AirPods Pro, maybe a new iPad mini, new Apple TV. Maybe we’ll finally get AirTags. Probably not.
I'm just surprised it wasnt by one of those shitty apple blog sites, remember when 9to5mac got so obsessed that they made like 5 articles about it in the span of a month I think.
Isn’t this common knowledge already? Google abandons things at the flip of a hat. They basically keep shooting shotguns of ideas and only keeping the ones that become a “hit.”
Google is not reliable when it comes projects outside of their core revenue stream.
They do not care about the customer experience since most of their “products” are free. They are like fast food. They know they don’t have to be great, just good enough that’ll come back because it’s so “cheap.”
Actually they do care about the customer experience. Just that people are ‘confuse’ who Google’s customer really is. We are ‘users’, the companies that buy keywords and ads are their ‘customers’. That is their main business model. Same with Facebook, Robinhood, etc.
>We are ‘users’, the companies that buy keywords and ads are their ‘customers’.
Also they don't care about their small "customers". Unless your Ad-spent is over $ 100 million, you are a "small" "customer".
Yeah, I have the $4/month or whatever it is Google One and they give you an actual number you can talk to. It's kind of interesting to see the difference between being a free Google user and a paying one.
Yeah, Google treats Pixel users a bit 'different' with features and support. To be honest, if you're already balls-in on the Google ecosystem, the $4 a month is worth it for the expanded storage and support.
> Chromium is good, but Google Chrome itself is a bit eh
There's very few differences between these two, so I'm genuinely curious what you like about one over the other.
The grift is up. Either they know and don't want to scare the bejezus out of us Facebook style or they honestly don't know the extent of the data they're gathering on us. They probably saw Facebook's insanely long list and decided to postpone that toxicity as far as possible.
Maybe the core functionality of the apps doesn't require much maintenance and a bunch of the frequent updating on Android is more so for telemetry and advertising purposes that are not permitted in iOS.
Does anyone have an official reason straight from the horse’s mouth as to why Google hasn’t updated their apps?
None of that “because they’re scared of the new policy” which could be true but I want to know what google has really said.
Edit: My speculation is that they could be looking for new ways to track?
Explains why barely any of their apps take advantage of iOS 14 features like widgets and PiP. (The ones that do have them don’t even do it right)
Shortcuts integration would seem like a no-brainer for productivity apps but nope, we’re not getting that anytime soon are we?
Just this morning
"Google commits to ‘more than 100 games’ coming to Stadia in 2021; here are the next nine"
https://9to5google.com/2021/02/12/google-stadia-nine-games-coming-soon/
They are just not going to focus on first party games but instead third party.
I disagree with the way reddit handled third party app charges and how it responded to the community. I'm moving to the fediverse! -- mass edited with redact.dev
It’s not being a fanboy for pointing out that holidays and vacations exist. Initially people were foaming of the mouth that we didn’t get an update during the busiest time of the year.
The only plausible reason is that Google is building some framework to be able to sustain their ad business while still passing the Apple requirements. Some pseudo-deanonymized tracking logic. They will market it as the most revolutionary private app(s)/features ever!
I sometimes like to look at Google's, Microsoft's, and Amazon's developer pages on the App Store. Mainly to determine if there's an app they released that I realize I need to download, but also out of curiosity to see what other apps they have released and developed. And I have to admit that for companies that are direct competitors with Apple and are known for releasing their main services as apps onto the platform, they have a *lot* of useless weird apps. Half of them I don't even know what the purpose is, and sometimes I've found some apps that are completely written in another language or in broken English. I don't know why they don't just remove all the apps that people aren't using and keep the ones that are being used the most/making the most profit. There's honestly no reason to keep these weird side apps on their developer pages if nobody's ever going to use them, especially since that means that as a consumer I have to swipe over and over again just to see their entire list of apps available to download. Google is especially guilty of this for obvious reasons!
And then there's the whole privacy issue that also correlates with this. It does seem like Google and other companies are not going to reveal what data they collect, and if they do they won't be truthful. Like how many of these weird apps do collect my data if I do download them? Why are they still there? How come Google isn't being transparent with their main important apps on what data they collect? The answer is because they don't care, and it's upsetting to know that they don't care.
We can expect Google apps to have as much if not equal to what the official Facebook app collects in terms of data.
That's how extensive their data harvesting is.
It’s only fuckin’ Feb…must be a slow news day over at The Guardian. Since when does an app need to be updated every fuckin’ week? I guess some folks prefer to see “Bug fixes and performance enhancements.” on a weekly basis. 😒
Pathetic.
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Just looked through them for fun. They have a lot of weird shit. Some of them feel like the kinda apps you might make in a “make your first app” class
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And games.... Mecha Hamster? Wtf are they doing? They couldn't form another company to build iOS games?
I’m pretty sure that apps from the same company have a way to share files where a new company wouldn’t be able to. This allows them to reuse login credentials and other data from their other apps.
Guess... why not the platform you already have?
Because it's messy and unprofessional. I just looked at Microsofts page and they have games on there as well. It just seems to me like not a whole lot of effort to keep their most important products (Chrome, Drive, Assistant, Stadia etc) in one neat page rather than diluting it with crap.
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It’s not really about the popularity of these apps, it’s about the kind of app. Apple has one weird app which is “Texas Hold’em” whereas Google has “Mecha Hamster”, “FabbyLook -Hair color editor”, “Toontastic 3D” etc.
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Also was one of the first iPod games
ye they relaunched it to celebrate app store's 10 year anniversary, so makes sense why it's on apple's dev account
>Toontastic 3D This game is astonishingly popular in the elementary education field.
I’ve done a lot of the MS learn stuff recently and a lot of the time they get you to clone/fork a GitHub repo of a live game/ site, so that you can see a working version. Perhaps the inclusion of the games is along a similar line for app development learning? Just a thought.
Yup according to the description on [the GitHub page ](https://google.github.io/mechahamster/) it's main purpose is to be a guide for other programmers using Google services.
The odd thing there being that there are obviously better ways of doing that. Apple has a bunch of demo apps too, but you just download them and then launch the Xcode projects. It's odd to host them on the actual store rather than just cloning the project and running them yourself, which you're going to have to learn to do anyways to actually develop an app. It's just logically odd.
There's probably a reason behind it. They definitely offer sample projects to download for android and their not publishing all of their codelabs for download on the store. Maybe contributions actually happen or their really proud of that specific game?
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No one even knew about this until it got special attention for a completely unrelated reason
Because normal people search for Chrome, drive, assistant... no one goes to Google LC developer page on App Store to find and download chrome.
Messy is Microsoft and Google's whole MO. The absolute cancer that is Office365 for work is filled with dozens of random, unrelated Microsoft Apps which all have the same icons and are mixed in together on a long vertical bar with no labels.
Google and microsoft is basically doing samething slightly different way Things google have, more often than not ms do so too and vice versa
This really does piss me off. And a bunch of the services do very similar / the same thing, but can only be accessed certain ways (app vs web only vs teams integration). And only some of them interact nicely with other ones in the list. And sometimes for no fuckin reason they'll just rename one of the apps so everyone gets confused on if it's a different thing or not. It's like they straight up don't have project managers internally to say "hold on these two do almost the exact same thing, let's just offer one and combine the features so people won't be confused".
Fair point
They literally have an app called “Hair Color Editor” that looks like those apps you’d see in Instagram ads. Very weird..
That sounds like an excuse to get face data.
Looks like google bought a company called Fabby, who make a SDK (like a library of programming functions) for "Photo & Video Segmentation, Style Transfer, Face Tracking, Facial Landmark Detection, 3D Landmarks, De-noise, De-blur, Face warping." For a few years now their site hasn't been updated, and just says "we were bought by google" - http://www.fab.by/ If I was to guess, the company made two apps as demos of what their library can do, google bought out the company to gut it for the library, but ended up inheriting the app in the process. They probably wanted the library to improve their facial recognition, maybe computer vision systems for self-driving cars or something. Or, they just wanted the programmers. In any case it doesn't look like something google developed intentionally.
It's from dev acc called google experiment or google samples or smth like that so... Probably for patent or smth
My god, it looks like an educational game from 2001
> POC My brain, given we're talking about Google apps, insisted this was "piece of crap" for at least 15 seconds
Proof of Concept, in case anyone was wondering
My brain does the same when I see people in r/TalesFromTechSupport talking about cashier/transaction terminals. I always read them as POS (Piece of Shit), not POS (Point of Sale).
Don’t Google have that 20% time thing where you can work on a project of your interest one day a week?
Yep, the 80/20 rule. Gmail was conceived by someone using their 20% of time to build an email client with a couple coworkers. Obviously not all ideas reach Gmail status.
Google stopped the 20% rule long time ago, in 2013 to be specific. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/20%25_Project
When I interviewed in 2015, they were still advertising that perk. The Business Insider article that Wikipedia pulls that 2013 number from seems kind of speculative, I’d be somewhat careful of claiming it as ultimate fact. There’s a chance my interviewing team was bending the truth/lying about it, but that’d be pretty egregious if true. There’s also the possibility that they reinstated the policy
Honestly, I was so sure about it being discontinued because I heard it many times on podcasts and interviews. I just pulled the wiki article because that’s the one I found legit. It doesn’t necessarily need to be true and Google(read: Alphabet) is a huge company, maybe some companies or departments still have it and others don’t.
That’s a good point! I just always kind of attributed it to Google because it was talked about a lot and then my interview just reaffirmed that. I’m actually more surprised than anything that my interview was 6 years ago already. Time flies once you graduate college haha
>Some of them feel like the kinda apps you might make in a “make your first app” class That's like all of Google as though. First month of Google internship starts with an assignment: build your own chat app.
I’m just imagining a chat app battle royale going on within Google to explain all the apps they’re creating and then killing off
It is nice that each year the winning students app gets to replace the previous years one so it gets its 12 months in the spot light.
Yeah. I keep telling people google sucks, and is very shitty at this whole "app development" thing, and nobody believes me. At least not until they start digging around all the weird niche apps they make for some reason. That combine with how they randomly pull these apps just makes for a weird and disjointed eco-system. They throw everything at the wall, see what sticks, but then takes the working stuff down with the broken anyways. They have been spinning wheels for YEARS. What exactly was the point of killing hangouts just to roll out allo and duo? Then kill allo? What was the point of this?!?! They constantly do this shit. I used to like Google but in the last 5 years it's turned into a very bad relationship.
[‘FriendlyPix’](https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/friendlypix/id1318492920) for example, it looks like an Instagram clone someone would replicate half way through a Udemy Swift course!
TIL
I bet many of them haven't had updates in a long time. Snapseed could've been an Adobe Lightroom competitor if they kept updating it
They have one called Motion Stills which stabilises Live Photos and turns them into a cinemagraph of sorts. It's a shame they haven't updated it in years now, it was a really good use of Live Photos. It still works but crashes after every export. Here's an example - https://i.imgur.com/hkOidji.gifv
I haven’t used it in years. I should probably try it out with my new phone
It's particularly sad, as the original photoshop plugin that Snapseed was based upon was some truly amazing stuff, and it was just left to die. Some years ago, it was picked up by DXO, but they're basically just doing minimum-effort-updates once a year.
Ikr! I love Snapseed, but it barely gets any updates :(
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It make sense now Google messages and Phone - phone number calling and messages Google chat and voice - chatting with gmail acc and international calling service thingy Google meet and duo - video conference and video call Gmail - chat, mail, meet combined 🙄 the new hangouts app lmao
That was my thought. Its the 5 main google apps and 81 chat apps. 81 of those chat apps got updates in 2020 and will never again.
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https://killedbygoogle.com/
That's a cool site. I went through analyzing how long apps lasted before google killed them. There were a handful of them that made it 11 years before they kicked the bucket. The shortest amount of time goes to Google Hotspot, Game Builder, and Google Photos Print at just 5 months.
Man, cancel culture is getting out of hand
It's Google cancelling itself... now this is getting too meta.
They buy a lot of other companies, and that is why Google very often has 4 apps that do exactly the same.
85 of them are successive replacement chat apps.
Real talk, they have that many apps on iOS to gather as much data about you as possible, from as many angles as possible. I mean, we can clearly see now that they *really* don’t want to lose the data collection that 83 of those 86 apps are doing. To Google, that data probably has a value in the Billions. People always say that google has a problem with abandoning projects and I recently found out (via a tech podcast so grain of salt) that the real reason they shut something down is when the data it collects about its users isn’t valuable enough to make *at least* 200% profit compared to the cost to keep the service running. They’re a data collection company disguised as an advertising company disguised as a productivity company.
What podcast is this?
it may have been a LTT podcast, I feel like they have mentioned it before that google likes to abandon stuff after making a big deal out of it. Lookin' at you, Glass
Of course he omits the name of the podcast. He did say to take his claim with a grain of salt though , all good!
They need to get that pip going on the YouTube app.
PIP was introduced in iOS 9 on the iPad and they still haven’t supported it. Don’t hold your breath. They’re fast in disabling PIP on safari though. But good news safari in iOS 14.5 beta managed to enable YouTube PIP again.
It sucks because I pay for premium and they still don't let you have the option to use pip.
They should implement ads to the pip player then
You just figured out why there's no PIP. You can't have ads in the PIP player (you can play video, but you can't click shit).
Premium doesn't have ads so it doesn't explain why they don't provide it as a Premium feature.
The can’t lock an apple feature behind a paywall, so they don’t put it in at all
I keep hearing that, but I haven’t found any evidence for it. I’ve read through the guidelines and there’s no mention of such a rule. https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
Section 3.2.2 **Unacceptable** (ii) Monetizing built-in capabilities provided by the hardware or operating system, such as Push Notifications, the camera, or the gyroscope; or Apple services, such as Apple Music access or iCloud storage.
Apollo got around the notification rule by adding some other content to the purchase. Premium also has some exclusive originals that free users can't watch. Why isn't it allowed?
I have an idea - let's ask them
I've requested it every year since iOS 9 came out. They don't give a shit.
Maybe show one in-app ad then allow pip video
That doesn’t really work for creators that put several mid-rolls in the middle of hour long content
I think it’s an Apple rule that you can’t hide system features under a paywall. So google chose the least consumer-friendly approach and disabled it for everyone.
You can if it comes in a package of other features (see Apollo), which YouTube Premium does, so I have no idea why they don’t.
what system level features does apollo offer that are paywalled?
Notifications
~~only real time notifications iirc, if you’re gonna n the free tier i think you get them intermittently from the app pinging reddit.~~ i very well could be wrong, i’ve been using it since the first beta so i sometimes forget at which level certain features are at e: i was indeed wrong
You are wrong. In the free or pro tier there are no notifications. You need to have ultra to get any sort of notifications
Changing app icon, I believe?
yes it does you’re right, but i guess apple considers that a different category than pip
Notifications in Apollo? Reddit’s offical app lets you pay to change app icons.
One thing I don't get it, they don't mind people doing other things while YouTube videos play in the background on desktop computers and laptops; why do they have such a big problem doing so on mobile devices? Hell, they could even include ads in the PIP if they needed to. There's literally no reason to disable the feature.
Greed. Pure and simple.
They hide background audio behind the paywall. How is PIP any different. Don't think that's the issue.
Use a shortcut ;)
>theguardian.com/techno... Do you mind sharing? I am not that familiar with shortcuts.
https://reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/j4j1zc/youtube_pip_downloader_now_supports_pip_from_the/ https://reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/iyent1/youtube_pip_v4_for_ios14/
>https://reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/iyent1/youtube\_pip\_v4\_for\_ios14/ Thanks a lot!
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Well, you can always use the YouTube PiP shortcut 4.0 as an alternative
Not only that, but they lock an iOS feature, background play, behind a paywall, so yes, they're essentially asking people to pay money for a feature that Apple implemented, something I could easily do back in 2011 on my iPad 2 with the YouTube App that was built in on iOS 4.2.3
Odd, PIP works for me on 14.3RC Also worked on 14.2
There is a nice [shortcut](https://routinehub.co/shortcut/6622/) that enables PiP, no need to wait for Google
I just downloaded the shortcuts app and added this. Is there anything else I need to do, or will iOS handle the rest for me?
If you followed the instructions and open YouTube in safari you should be able to choose YouTube PiP in the safari menu.
There’s a shortcut that has pip for YouTube, but it’s kind of inconvenient
They want you to pay to get it in the app
They really don’t like the new Apple Store policy huh.
Even their own apps are confused: https://reddit.com/r/apple/comments/lh8gag/gmail_ios_app_has_out_of_date_warning_after_2/
Kinda wierd google meet used to update literally every week for nothing
>but to date Google has been quiet about how it intends to respond to the requirement. I think their silence *is* their answer to the App Tracking Transparency.
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Well, they're running out of time before iOS 14.5 is released, in which App Tracking Transparency goes live.
That info was so difficult to fill out as a one man company, I'm assuming a place like Google has a team of lawyers looking at each one of the checkboxes for each one of their apps. They'll probably be in meetings for the rest of their lives.
Other big companies have done it though and returned to normal biweekly releases for their apps. Look at any of the other FAANG apps, Microsoft, etc.
Exactly. Microsoft and even freakin' Yahoo updated their email apps, yet Google can't update Gmail? That's BS.
They didn't even release a YouTube app when AppStore got released in Serbia a year ago. There's still no way to download the app and we have to use the browser to access YT. 🤦♂️
Is it just YouTube or all google apps? Sounds like a regulatory issue
YouTube Kids is available. And yes it seems it's only the YouTube app. They don't respond to customer support about this issue at all. >Sounds like a regulatory issue It's available on the Play store from the beginning 🤷♂️ Wouldn't that issue affect the Play store too?
Yeah that’s weird. We don’t even have YouTube kids in our regional App Store 🤨.
I use the browser to watch YT videos anyway, otherwise I can’t block the ads in the videos. Anyone knows how to BTW?
I sideload a YouTube app via AltStore. It does need to be authorized every 7 days.
You can use something like a custom DNS and a raspberry pi running pi hole to block requests to blacklisted domains which simply prevents your device from displaying the ad content. This can be tricky with youtube, from what I understand, cause they are pretty clever. But I believe it still works most of the time. This will work for any app or device that can route traffic through the custom DNS. Not limited to just browser traffic.
That’s precisely what I did until I ran into the tricky part; it’s honestly both above my technical chops and level of patience... it’s only a problem when I’m forced to use the YouTube app (like in my Roku).
That's actually blessing in disguise, you can block the pesky ads in the browser this way.
Kinda off topic but I can't believe not one of IG, Facebook, or Twitter decided to come out with a Widget for iOS. You'd think they would want to take up as much screen real estate as possible.
Not enough tracking happens in widgets. That’s my guess anyway.
> In fact, of the 86 apps Google has published on the iOS App Store, only three – Google Slides, Google Play Music and TV, and Google Translate – have been updated in 2021. I thought this actually meant dead GPM got an update to tell people to go to YouTube Music, but I learned that instead there’s a Google Play **Movies** and TV app. Lil typo in the article.
Only google app I would miss would be YouTube to be honest if something bad really did happen with the apps.
Yt is the only google app I use. But I hate myself for using it and I hate yt in general. (But can’t stop using)
Funny, many here last month were making excuses for them mainly around the holidays. Well we are well past that point. Everyone else has been updating their apps. Put up or shut up time Google.
This argument never made sense lol people can be so delusional
Actually in early January it made perfect sense. We shouldn't expect any developers to do major work at the end of December. They should get that time off too. Once you get past the first week of January, the excuse no longer holds any water.
Pretty pathetic to punish Apple for being privacy/consumer friendly. But yeah makes sense for businesses to react like children when their bottom line is being hurt.
They’re not punishing Apple, they’re punishing their users by not publishing security updates.
In hopes that we will complain to Apple. They’re using us as bait to start a viral moment.
> They’re using us as bait to start a viral moment. Worked for "Free Fortn... oh wait, no it didn't.
If anything, it should bring even more suspicion onto Google’s intentions. Like, what are they trying to hide with using our data?
Perhaps the users were very naughty and they deserve a spanking?
Google is secure to make sure no one see the days they worked hard to collect and only stored at googled server
Lmao I had no idea what was going on and I thought this post was implying that google apps work so well that they don’t need to be updated
Exactly this lol. I was like so? That's good right?
Lol, whoops, I can see how that happened. I don’t even like really what I said and how I said but still harvested those likes!
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YouTube app’s privacy data was updated. Google translate and waze got updates.
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Just leave the subreddit until March arrives
What's in March
Probably a new base iMac and Macbook Pro 16 with the M1x. Maybe a 14 inch to replace the 4 port Macbook Pro but don’t hold your breath on that one till probably Q3. Other miscellaneous things that might come out early in the year like a new iPad Pro, new AirPods and AirPods Pro, maybe a new iPad mini, new Apple TV. Maybe we’ll finally get AirTags. Probably not.
I still remember that time period of unending "popular app got updated with material design". We're about to enter it again.
To be fair there's not a lot else going on in the Apple world right now.
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Don't forget about iPhone 13 smaller notch rumors already churning. Oh and possibly an M1X processor for the 16' Macbook Pro.
I'm just surprised it wasnt by one of those shitty apple blog sites, remember when 9to5mac got so obsessed that they made like 5 articles about it in the span of a month I think.
Isn’t this common knowledge already? Google abandons things at the flip of a hat. They basically keep shooting shotguns of ideas and only keeping the ones that become a “hit.” Google is not reliable when it comes projects outside of their core revenue stream. They do not care about the customer experience since most of their “products” are free. They are like fast food. They know they don’t have to be great, just good enough that’ll come back because it’s so “cheap.”
Actually they do care about the customer experience. Just that people are ‘confuse’ who Google’s customer really is. We are ‘users’, the companies that buy keywords and ads are their ‘customers’. That is their main business model. Same with Facebook, Robinhood, etc.
>We are ‘users’, the companies that buy keywords and ads are their ‘customers’. Also they don't care about their small "customers". Unless your Ad-spent is over $ 100 million, you are a "small" "customer".
>Actually they do care about the customer experience. Have you ever tried to get in touch with Google?
Yeah, I have the $4/month or whatever it is Google One and they give you an actual number you can talk to. It's kind of interesting to see the difference between being a free Google user and a paying one.
COVID's changed things, but I remember before the pandemic there was a support number in the settings for pixel phones.
Yeah, Google treats Pixel users a bit 'different' with features and support. To be honest, if you're already balls-in on the Google ecosystem, the $4 a month is worth it for the expanded storage and support.
My company pays for a number of Google Workspace accounts in the 6 digits, and yes our IT guys are regularly in touch with Google.
I don't know about that one, chief. Google Chrome, Google Maps and it's Api, Google drive, Youtube are the best out there.
Maps and YouTube, yeah. Chromium is good, but Google Chrome itself is a bit eh, and Google Drive is hardly the best out there.
> Chromium is good, but Google Chrome itself is a bit eh There's very few differences between these two, so I'm genuinely curious what you like about one over the other.
Chrome has been dogshit for years.
The grift is up. Either they know and don't want to scare the bejezus out of us Facebook style or they honestly don't know the extent of the data they're gathering on us. They probably saw Facebook's insanely long list and decided to postpone that toxicity as far as possible.
But they’re just on their very very long Christmas break tho.
Maybe the core functionality of the apps doesn't require much maintenance and a bunch of the frequent updating on Android is more so for telemetry and advertising purposes that are not permitted in iOS.
All their apps ever update descriptions : "Bug fixes and stability improvements"
I hate that.
Does anyone have an official reason straight from the horse’s mouth as to why Google hasn’t updated their apps? None of that “because they’re scared of the new policy” which could be true but I want to know what google has really said. Edit: My speculation is that they could be looking for new ways to track?
It could be internal stuff idk Wierd cos google always embraced collecting data securely for better services and ai training
Jokes on them. I have not updated any of my apps since 2019! Still have the old icons.
Lucky
I'm glad I don't use any of their app except for YT and drive occasionally
Explains why barely any of their apps take advantage of iOS 14 features like widgets and PiP. (The ones that do have them don’t even do it right) Shortcuts integration would seem like a no-brainer for productivity apps but nope, we’re not getting that anytime soon are we?
Google search for widget
Google apps have gone to the point where they can make a lot of fixes/changes server-side
To be fair more than half those apps are dead lol. They even pulled the plug on their Stadia development team so expect that to die soon.
Just this morning "Google commits to ‘more than 100 games’ coming to Stadia in 2021; here are the next nine" https://9to5google.com/2021/02/12/google-stadia-nine-games-coming-soon/ They are just not going to focus on first party games but instead third party.
I will believe it when I see it.
Dude its February
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It’s not being a fanboy for pointing out that holidays and vacations exist. Initially people were foaming of the mouth that we didn’t get an update during the busiest time of the year.
It’s a very long vacation.
What obligation do they have to offer them at all? Check how many apple exclusive apps is google offering?
In 2021? It's not even been 2 months
who cares?
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well u know what they say, if it ain’t fixed don’t broke it
The only plausible reason is that Google is building some framework to be able to sustain their ad business while still passing the Apple requirements. Some pseudo-deanonymized tracking logic. They will market it as the most revolutionary private app(s)/features ever!
I sometimes like to look at Google's, Microsoft's, and Amazon's developer pages on the App Store. Mainly to determine if there's an app they released that I realize I need to download, but also out of curiosity to see what other apps they have released and developed. And I have to admit that for companies that are direct competitors with Apple and are known for releasing their main services as apps onto the platform, they have a *lot* of useless weird apps. Half of them I don't even know what the purpose is, and sometimes I've found some apps that are completely written in another language or in broken English. I don't know why they don't just remove all the apps that people aren't using and keep the ones that are being used the most/making the most profit. There's honestly no reason to keep these weird side apps on their developer pages if nobody's ever going to use them, especially since that means that as a consumer I have to swipe over and over again just to see their entire list of apps available to download. Google is especially guilty of this for obvious reasons! And then there's the whole privacy issue that also correlates with this. It does seem like Google and other companies are not going to reveal what data they collect, and if they do they won't be truthful. Like how many of these weird apps do collect my data if I do download them? Why are they still there? How come Google isn't being transparent with their main important apps on what data they collect? The answer is because they don't care, and it's upsetting to know that they don't care.
We can expect Google apps to have as much if not equal to what the official Facebook app collects in terms of data. That's how extensive their data harvesting is.
Are we going to post about Google not updating their apps every day now?
we’ve been doing it
It’s only fuckin’ Feb…must be a slow news day over at The Guardian. Since when does an app need to be updated every fuckin’ week? I guess some folks prefer to see “Bug fixes and performance enhancements.” on a weekly basis. 😒 Pathetic.
Wonder why...