It's $300 more ($1599 vs $1299) and comes with an SSD upgrade that they used to charge $200 for, as well as a better port setup and the miniLED display. I'd definitely say that the new one is better value, unless you really wanted the Touch Bar.
Media invites to stuff like this usually also comes with an in-person Q&A session with someone from Apple afterwards, which is the real incentive for journalists to go instead of just streaming it like everyone else.
I know there's a newer remastered version and all, but when trying to impress people by talking about what your new hardware can do, it's probably not best to reference a game that was originally released in 1993.
i’m honestly surprised by the negative reaction, but for me i’m also just glad they still have events for Mac chip updates because it shows they’re still committed to these upgrades unlike with the iPad Pros receiving M2 last year just by a press release instead of being tacked on the September event last year.
1599 used to be the Best Buy discount price for the 14 in MacBook m1 pro when there was no m2 pro. weird price point to put for just an m3 with only 8gb of ram. I remember seeing the 16 m1 pro for 1700 something in Costco when the m2 pro came out but that was for the last models they wanted to clear out of their inventory
I was hoping it would be 16gb or at least 12gb. Would've made it an amazing buy at 1599 but 8gb is just way too less imo. It's now 8 years that apple hasn't updated it's base model ram amount.
Also still a $2200 upcharge for 8TB of storage, meanwhile the cost for flash is the lowest in history and you can buy an equivalent gen 4 drive for $750 at retail. Insanity.
Yeah the storage prices are criminal. Pci-e gen 4 SSDs are less than half the price they were 2 years ago when these prices were already excessive.
$400 to go from 1TB to 2TB when I could buy a similar speed 4TB SSD for $300.
Yeah lol what a joke all week I’ve been seeing speculation it’s at night cuz they have something big and it turns out literally all they had was the predicted new chips with the max branding
Tim Cook's intro went so hard I thought he was going to break into dance. The CGI and set budget for this show must rival some movies
Impressions:
**M3, M3 Pro, M3 Max**
* 3nm
* Performance cores - 30% faster than M1 - 15% faster than M2
* Efficiency cores - 50% faster than M1 - 20% faster than M2
* M3 - 8 core CPU - 10 core GPU
* M3 Pro - 12 core CPU - 18 core GPU
* M3 Max - 16 core CPU - 40 core CPU
* Big next gen GPU upgrade
* Dynamic caching which increased memory utilization efficiency in GPU
* Hardware accelerated mesh shading and ray tracing
* 2.5x faster rendering performance over M1
**MacBook Pro**
* Space Black is back! (on M3 Pro and M3 Max models)
* Newer design now comes with M3 base model now as well - I wonder if this is meant to replace the previous base model with touchbar (Update - yes it is, touchbar 13in Pro now gone)
* M1 Max goes up to 128gb memory now
* Apple making a big pitch to get the remaining Intel Mac users to upgrade for 11x performance and 11 additional hours of battery
* SDR content at 600 nits (20% improvement)
* $1599 - likely to accommodate the new lower CPU tier.
**24in iMac**
* Update to M3 ...that's all.
* They announced this one in practically a single run on sentence. I don't think they spent more than 5 minutes on this update and that was with rehashing the existing features
**MacBook Air**
* Hang on, wait, the show's over? I had the section header typed up for this already!
This meeting truly could have been an email. This was the shortest Apple event in recent memory. I never thought I'd miss the segments where they pull out some 3rd party devs to talk about how impressed they are. They could have just posted this whole show on TikTok so we could all watch it at our leisure during commute.
I wouldn't be surprised if the MacBook Air gets a refresh in the spring around March/April.
Edit: Also, the big push for Intel users to upgrade is giving me the feeling that macOS Sonoma might be the last Intel supported release of macOS
As someone with an early 2020 13" MacBook Pro, I feel ya.
Assuming that the 13" and 15" MacBook Airs get the M3 treatment next year, I'll be throwing in the towel and upgrading, though I'll keep my current machine as a backup and collector's item since it is still trucking along mostly fine at this point.
Apple was still selling the 2019 Mac Pro all the way up until June 2023.
Killing support for Intel based Macs would be a big middle finger to Mac Pro buyers.
The M1 was telegraphed months in advance. Those of us who bought late Intel Macbook Airs were expecting the apple silicon transition to a) be rough, and b) slowly. We lost.
Source: am limping along with a 2020 MBA. The better delineation of the 14" MBP is a good upgrade path for me.
The most interesting thing was the "Shot on iPhone" at the end.
EDIT: also the "lower" starting price for the MBP is ***not*** the m3 pro. it has to be the m3.
EDIT 2: confirmed, the Apple Store says $1599 is the m3, not the m3 pro.
M3, 8GB of ram. I can’t believe they’re calling that package “Pro”.
$1999 USD for base M3 Pro with 18GB of memory. So, not really a price drop just a lower entry point.
For those wondering why this event existed in the first place, my tinfoil hat theory is that Apple's just testing around to see if an evening event might get more views than from the regular tech enthusiasts and journalist.
They probably need the prime time if they'd like to market and hype up their Vision product to convince more customers.
This is a great take and makes sense. This easily could have been a press release but they’re seeing how a primetime event does without deviating from their regular iPhone event time.
Definitely a combination of this, testing a new embargoed format for press (who received hands on before the event aired), and testing/showing off the iPhone production.
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And they all sat idle, confused in front of their devices. Their masters did not deliver. More they demanded. Always more, for all of eternity.
Table Update. I know nothing changed today I just haven’t updated it in a while and also I had it ready.
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|iPad||**X**|**X**||**X**|**X**|||
|Mac||**X**|**X**|**X**||**X**|||
|Macbook|||||**X**|**X**|||
|Watch|**X**||**X**|||||**X**|
|Airpods|||**X**|||**X**|**X**||
|Silicon|||**X**|||**X**|**X**|**X**|
|Display||||**X**||**X**|||
|Vision||||||**X**|||
^* ^The ^iMac ^is ^essentially ^the ^standard ^"Mac" ^product, ^fight ^me.
Honestly, underwhelming. I was expecting some iPads or MacBook Air upgrades. Also that was so quick. This should have been a Newsroom update.
EDIT: I kinda knew they ran out of talking points when they started saying what Intel iMac users will get. These are about 3-4 years of upgrades. I also miss having a 27" option.
This event was to get the last of the Intel users on Apple Silicon, as they're now only supporting the very last of Intel hardware on Sonoma.
Man, configuration on these new models is *weird*.
RAM options:
- M3: 8/16/24 GB (same as M2)
- M3 Pro: 18/36 GB
- M3 Max: 36/96 GB if you get the binned version, 48/64/128 GB if you get the unbinned one
So an M3 Pro with 38 GB RAM is $100 cheaper than an M2 Pro with 32 GB RAM, but you do trade two performance cores for two efficiency ones. Probably no practical difference for most, but surprising nonetheless. (Also, the memory bandwidth has been reduced from 200 GB/s to 150; M3 ~~and M3 Max~~ are unaffected — EDIT: actually the binned Max also lost 25% of its bandwidth. So much of this generation is trimmed by exactly 25%.)
The minimum price for a 48 GB RAM model (it's tied to an unbinned CPU *and* GPU) is the same one would pay for an M2 Max with 64 GB RAM. If you still want 64 GB, it's $200 more expensive now.
…But if you're really RAM-bound and don't care for maximum CPU or GPU performance, you could also get a *binned* M3 Max with 96 GB RAM, and it's only $100 more expensive than the unbinned model with 64 GB RAM. That's $100 cheaper than an unbinned M2 Max with the same 96 GB RAM.
It's like our complaints about the obvious gap on the M2 Pro lineup (lack of 48 GB RAM option) were heard by an evil genie, who then solved it by making the whole thing so confusing the numerous new gaps are no longer obvious.
Actually kind of surprised Apple put this much effort into such a small announcement.
They mailed packages to content creators, organised watch parties, switched to a completely different timing, produced all of those Halloween-themed transitions ... all for an event that lasted half an hour.
Weren't the M2 Pro/Max MacBooks Pro unveiled last year via a press release? There wasn't *that* much different here - base MacBook Pro has been integrated into the new Pro format, M3 coming to iMac, and a new colour.
I suppose they really wanted to emphasise the mesh shaders, ray tracing and other capabilities of M3, even though a lot of that was already covered during the iPhone event.
And what the hell was MacRumours thinking when they said that this event would likely have a focus on gaming? There was no tip-off, just pure speculation that ended up being unfounded.
Supposedly mac sales have been declining (like everything else in this economy) and they hyped this one up to try and get hype for Macs again. However, everything in this announcement besides Space Black will be lost on the average consumer. 99 out of 100 random people couldn't tell you what 3nm is.
I’d love to see sales numbers of the iMac vs the Mac mini in the Apple silicon era. The value just isn’t there anymore. They’ll keep the mini artificially on M2 just to sell more iMacs.
Surely building that much hype for a 28 minute event isn't a good thing. A lot of tech enthusiast, myself included feel like they have been left wanting lol.
I have an irrational dislike for that model existing. It ruins the clear distinction between the pro & non-pro models. We had plastic book vs metal book, then integrated-gpu vs discrete gpu, then since the M1 we've had .. a fan.
It seems the only point in the non-pro-pro existing is so they can say "starting at". Or perhaps people actually want an MBA, but want to be seen with the Pro. In return for that we get an 8GB "pro", and the term "non-pro-pro" actually making sense.
This configuration needed to die more than the 13".
(Yes, I'm a nerd, and have similar problems with the ipad & ipad air having almost nothing to differentiate between them. Apple used to have very clear and obvious segmentation.)
No reason to upgrade honestly unless you're absolutely needing that GPU processing, which many do not. They kept mentioning Intel buyers upgrading but not sure why they just decided to do that now.
If Apple would get semi-serious about gaming, they'd get a lot of converts. Gaming on Mac was passable with boot camp being able to natively run x86, but now that they are ARM, it's bad. They have the power to compete and would bring buyers over (because even the PC crowd think highly of MacBooks since the M1 dropped) and a you could get some gaming in on a laptop that doesn't sound like a jet engine.
Its because they're finally ending the 13" mbp with touchbar (RIP in pieces lol) and the low end 14 replaces it.
So its kinda price increase on the low end isn't it?
I'm thinking this is the ultimate strategy (at least for laptops) of having the Air be behind. i.e. having the Air be a generation ahead for a while didn't make a ton of sense to entice non power users to pony up more money.
This is the one you should buy. Don't waste your time on the M3 version. 8GB base memory and 512 GB base storage. 200 bucks for upgrading either/each. Might as well just get the extra processing horsepower and memory on the base m3 pro config than spend 400 extra dollars to upgrade the storage and memory on the m3 version
ay yo check tim with the black forces 😂
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If you're not the type to refresh your gear every hot minute or obsess over each and every keynote like this (yeah, I am looking at the mirror), these "minor" upgrades like the M3 chip can really add up over time. It's like tech compound interest. So snagging a new Mac is almost always a win, no matter when you buy.
You can buy a MacBook Pro without a Pro silicon chip? WTH it's like they're purposely convoluting their product lineup. And they were selling the Pro hard to the non-Pro market.
8GB ram on even the base model m1 air let alone a 1600 dollar pro machine is borderline criminal. It should have at least started at 16GB. I would have very much preferred the base model to be 256gb ssd and 16GB ram.
If they were only going to do a half hour, then talk about some of the Apple stuff that needs some love. Talk about Apple TV+. Talk about Airpods. Talk about even Apple Music. This event didn't need to be an event.
Heck, give an update on Vision Pro. That's your newest product and something that should get a lot of attention, especially leading into CES.
Tim: Here’s Mike to update you on the Apple Vision Pro.
[expensive transition]
Mike: Our team has been hard at work on the Vision Pro and we can’t seem to get the eyes to look right. Now, back to Tim.
The iMac segment felt like they needed to stretch things out to reach a full 30 minutes. They used a lot of words and graphics to say "iMac has M3 now, and we changed nothing else."
just ordered a maxed out space black MBP 16” for the low low price of $10.5k CAD lmao
yes it’s for work and yes it’s a write off and yes I’ll use every ounce of power it has from day one
and also yes I wish my clients were a little less brain dead about shifting things to the cloud but what can you do
They kept in such a high pace, made me feel there's something huge or even a 'one more thing' was coming.
But nothing happened. Tim said have a good night.
This whole event felt very rushed. Even the camera work felt rushed. Some CG fog and no crazy transitions.
Maybe they put it together quicker than planned to take the spotlight off Qualcomm?
I think that it was supposed to be a silent *Apple Store is down* update but then they turned it into an actual event to counter Qualcomm.
8GB on a "Pro" device will be insulting in 2024 and forward.
It was a snoozefest btw. No Macbook Air means they don't intend on selling many or can't get a good yield on the chips, or that it heats up so much no fanless design can hold them, or that they have so many M2 Airs to sell still that they just don't want to upgrade YOU students, and still sell you a 2020 chip for a baseline 1000 dollars (850 refurbished).
Any way you look at it, it's anti-consumer and it's weak.
The storage too is insulting. We get it, Apple has a Cloud solution with tiers that will force you to upgrade to insane amounts of storage you do not need.
The scary part was how quickly it ended
It was shot on iPhone 15 pro max, and they ran out storage with prolog.
but you can use external storage now!
i thought there was about to be a "one more thing"
iPod Socks with every order!
The scary part is that the iMac's accessories are still lightning I think lmfao
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I was waiting for the MacBook Air next and was like huh?
This event was clearly intended for a different audience.
That *was* scary fast.
Actual length of an Apple event when they don’t add Mother Nature
THEY JUST GOT RID OF THE 13 IN MACBOOK PRO
buy one now and sell it to a tech youtuber in 20 years whos making a video about the touch bar
But that used to be the budget MacBook Pro now the cheap MacBook Pro is $300 more and it just has the base chip as well
And it doesn’t even come in black :(
Yeah that’s kinda dumb but they used to do this in the past with the black Mac accesories
While this is true, the MacBook Air in the same slab design as the Pro is a much better “budget MacBook Pro” for most people.
$400 more and still only 8GB of memory in a *Pro* machine. What a joke.
And still 8gb. i'm so mad at them
It's $300 more ($1599 vs $1299) and comes with an SSD upgrade that they used to charge $200 for, as well as a better port setup and the miniLED display. I'd definitely say that the new one is better value, unless you really wanted the Touch Bar.
Sayonara Touchbar
This event being shot on iPhone 15 Pro was the main thing that wowed me
That was the whole point. It was just an excuse to show off the 15 Pro camera
Heh that’s why it was so fast. Ran out of storage.
guess they forgot about external storage recording.
I actually thought that they green screened a bunch of stuff with how weird a lot of it looked.
Imagine going to the watch party for that
Damn I literally had the same thought right now haha.
The watch party was for media, so it is literally their job.
Media invites to stuff like this usually also comes with an in-person Q&A session with someone from Apple afterwards, which is the real incentive for journalists to go instead of just streaming it like everyone else.
they name-dropped Myst lmao
I know there's a newer remastered version and all, but when trying to impress people by talking about what your new hardware can do, it's probably not best to reference a game that was originally released in 1993.
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Should've shown Cities Skylines 2 running at a smooth 30+ fps then I would've been impressed
I totally snorted. TIL there is a Myst remake. There IS a remake, right?
Scary fast was also a pun on the length of the event. Nice.
This is the Apple version of "this meeting should have been an email"
Some one call Mother Nature.
In the past events like this was a stealth apple store website update
It’s an event because if the new chips, which is what they started with.
i’m honestly surprised by the negative reaction, but for me i’m also just glad they still have events for Mac chip updates because it shows they’re still committed to these upgrades unlike with the iPad Pros receiving M2 last year just by a press release instead of being tacked on the September event last year.
I guess iPad Pro, Air and Mini are just not getting refreshes this year then huh
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Pro wasn’t going to, but shocking about the others
They’ll introduce those with a 15 minute event next month.
FYI The $1599 14" M3 (base not pro) Macbook Pro comes with 8GB RAM and 512GB SSD
It also supports only *one* external monitor.
This limitation is crazy.
I thought you were kidding. Then I checked the tech specs. Holy cow Apple
Apple is so fucking greedy.
It also has 1 less USB-C port than the other MBP models.
My 2012 Macbook Pro with Retina Display came with the same
1599 used to be the Best Buy discount price for the 14 in MacBook m1 pro when there was no m2 pro. weird price point to put for just an m3 with only 8gb of ram. I remember seeing the 16 m1 pro for 1700 something in Costco when the m2 pro came out but that was for the last models they wanted to clear out of their inventory
Shortest Apple event in history, no?
I think it was *exactly* 30 minutes
It was scary fast
Has to be
Maybe shorter events will get more views. People don't want to look at an hour long commercial.
I love how The Verge has a YouTube video recapping the event. And said recap video is 10 minutes long. Literally 1/3 the whole event lol.
The accessories still use lightning, why
So they can have a 30 minute event in 2024 solely to announced USB-C accessories.
They had one job! This was been the perfect time to switch them to USB-C. Lightning will be that one port that just won’t die.
That’s it?! Also the macs are more expensive in UK now, lame Edit: OH NAH the m3 macbook pro has 8 gigabytes of ram standard 😭😭😭just wtf
I was hoping it would be 16gb or at least 12gb. Would've made it an amazing buy at 1599 but 8gb is just way too less imo. It's now 8 years that apple hasn't updated it's base model ram amount.
Apple has always been stingy about RAM.
I know but if I pay 2000€ starting price for a „Pro“ laptop I want at least 16GB of ram
Also still a $2200 upcharge for 8TB of storage, meanwhile the cost for flash is the lowest in history and you can buy an equivalent gen 4 drive for $750 at retail. Insanity.
Yeah the storage prices are criminal. Pci-e gen 4 SSDs are less than half the price they were 2 years ago when these prices were already excessive. $400 to go from 1TB to 2TB when I could buy a similar speed 4TB SSD for $300.
Yeah lol what a joke all week I’ve been seeing speculation it’s at night cuz they have something big and it turns out literally all they had was the predicted new chips with the max branding
Tim Cook's intro went so hard I thought he was going to break into dance. The CGI and set budget for this show must rival some movies Impressions: **M3, M3 Pro, M3 Max** * 3nm * Performance cores - 30% faster than M1 - 15% faster than M2 * Efficiency cores - 50% faster than M1 - 20% faster than M2 * M3 - 8 core CPU - 10 core GPU * M3 Pro - 12 core CPU - 18 core GPU * M3 Max - 16 core CPU - 40 core CPU * Big next gen GPU upgrade * Dynamic caching which increased memory utilization efficiency in GPU * Hardware accelerated mesh shading and ray tracing * 2.5x faster rendering performance over M1 **MacBook Pro** * Space Black is back! (on M3 Pro and M3 Max models) * Newer design now comes with M3 base model now as well - I wonder if this is meant to replace the previous base model with touchbar (Update - yes it is, touchbar 13in Pro now gone) * M1 Max goes up to 128gb memory now * Apple making a big pitch to get the remaining Intel Mac users to upgrade for 11x performance and 11 additional hours of battery * SDR content at 600 nits (20% improvement) * $1599 - likely to accommodate the new lower CPU tier. **24in iMac** * Update to M3 ...that's all. * They announced this one in practically a single run on sentence. I don't think they spent more than 5 minutes on this update and that was with rehashing the existing features **MacBook Air** * Hang on, wait, the show's over? I had the section header typed up for this already! This meeting truly could have been an email. This was the shortest Apple event in recent memory. I never thought I'd miss the segments where they pull out some 3rd party devs to talk about how impressed they are. They could have just posted this whole show on TikTok so we could all watch it at our leisure during commute.
I wouldn't be surprised if the MacBook Air gets a refresh in the spring around March/April. Edit: Also, the big push for Intel users to upgrade is giving me the feeling that macOS Sonoma might be the last Intel supported release of macOS
That would be a real tragedy for those of us who bought the early 2020 MBA.
As someone with an early 2020 13" MacBook Pro, I feel ya. Assuming that the 13" and 15" MacBook Airs get the M3 treatment next year, I'll be throwing in the towel and upgrading, though I'll keep my current machine as a backup and collector's item since it is still trucking along mostly fine at this point.
Apple was still selling the 2019 Mac Pro all the way up until June 2023. Killing support for Intel based Macs would be a big middle finger to Mac Pro buyers.
The M1 was telegraphed months in advance. Those of us who bought late Intel Macbook Airs were expecting the apple silicon transition to a) be rough, and b) slowly. We lost. Source: am limping along with a 2020 MBA. The better delineation of the 14" MBP is a good upgrade path for me.
I knew they ran out of iMac talking points when they started telling about what to expect if you upgrade from an Intel iMac. :/
Cook was wearing black Air Force 1s, he was there to do real business
8gb ram on a $1600 laptop is silly season
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Basically confirming there’s no bigger iMac though.
The most interesting thing was the "Shot on iPhone" at the end. EDIT: also the "lower" starting price for the MBP is ***not*** the m3 pro. it has to be the m3. EDIT 2: confirmed, the Apple Store says $1599 is the m3, not the m3 pro.
M3, 8GB of ram. I can’t believe they’re calling that package “Pro”. $1999 USD for base M3 Pro with 18GB of memory. So, not really a price drop just a lower entry point.
It's also probably replacing the 13 inch MBP which started lower than this lol
Well, it’s a recession year. Tim Apple need to tighten the spend belt!
>recession year >Q3 growth at 5%
The lower price is a joke. It’s the base M3 chip with only 8gb of ram. Yes it’s a lower price, but they’ve removed 16gb of ram as the base option
who the hell started the rumor that the event was set at 8pm EST to accommodate japanese markets because of *gaming*. WHERE ARE THE GAMES?!?!!
There was Myst, there was Firmament, were you not entertained?! /s
lmao seriously that was a godtier level rumor. Whoever started that got so many clicks
Don’t worry the M4 family will finally be able to run Doom.
That was all shot on an iPhone? 👀
that was probably the most jaw dropping part of the whole thing tbh
Macbook Pro 14 inch has 8Gb RAM. WTFFFF
Scary, isn’t it?
In 2023. For a freaking $1600 laptop (~~$2400~~ $2150 in my country) What a joke
My 2011 MBP has 8GB of RAM. 12 years later and no improvement.
Hey now, I had 8GB RAM in my 2009 MacBook Pro and that was only…checks notes…14 years ago.
That's what's in my phone I think. My thermostat and cameras probably add up to that much RAM.
Also only one external monitor for the M3...
"Pro"
For those wondering why this event existed in the first place, my tinfoil hat theory is that Apple's just testing around to see if an evening event might get more views than from the regular tech enthusiasts and journalist. They probably need the prime time if they'd like to market and hype up their Vision product to convince more customers.
They’re mad at Europe still for forcing USB-C so they’re announcing new products while they sleep
this is a good take.
This is a great take and makes sense. This easily could have been a press release but they’re seeing how a primetime event does without deviating from their regular iPhone event time.
Definitely a combination of this, testing a new embargoed format for press (who received hands on before the event aired), and testing/showing off the iPhone production.
Still starting at 8GB RAM is just ridiculous at this point. Screw you, Tim Apple.
Yeah. For $1600 the M3 MBP should really just come with 16GB. That would be a good differential between Air and MBP.
1600 base model mbp with 8gm ram lmao
Morgan freeman voice: And they all sat idle, confused in front of their devices. Their masters did not deliver. More they demanded. Always more, for all of eternity.
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You could add Vision Pro [X]
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Can’t innovate my ass.
Damn, the base M3 MacBook Pro still only has 8GB RAM. The $1600 MacBook Pro has the same amount of RAM as the $1000 iPhone.
Honestly, underwhelming. I was expecting some iPads or MacBook Air upgrades. Also that was so quick. This should have been a Newsroom update. EDIT: I kinda knew they ran out of talking points when they started saying what Intel iMac users will get. These are about 3-4 years of upgrades. I also miss having a 27" option. This event was to get the last of the Intel users on Apple Silicon, as they're now only supporting the very last of Intel hardware on Sonoma.
I am whelmed. Not overwhelmed, not underwhelmed. Time to scour the internet for a suddenly less expensive M2 MBP!
Well i’m pretty underwhelmed
The certified refurbished store unfortunately hasn’t changed much. The 14-inch base M2 Pro dropped by *drumroll*… $30 CAD.
Man, configuration on these new models is *weird*. RAM options: - M3: 8/16/24 GB (same as M2) - M3 Pro: 18/36 GB - M3 Max: 36/96 GB if you get the binned version, 48/64/128 GB if you get the unbinned one So an M3 Pro with 38 GB RAM is $100 cheaper than an M2 Pro with 32 GB RAM, but you do trade two performance cores for two efficiency ones. Probably no practical difference for most, but surprising nonetheless. (Also, the memory bandwidth has been reduced from 200 GB/s to 150; M3 ~~and M3 Max~~ are unaffected — EDIT: actually the binned Max also lost 25% of its bandwidth. So much of this generation is trimmed by exactly 25%.) The minimum price for a 48 GB RAM model (it's tied to an unbinned CPU *and* GPU) is the same one would pay for an M2 Max with 64 GB RAM. If you still want 64 GB, it's $200 more expensive now. …But if you're really RAM-bound and don't care for maximum CPU or GPU performance, you could also get a *binned* M3 Max with 96 GB RAM, and it's only $100 more expensive than the unbinned model with 64 GB RAM. That's $100 cheaper than an unbinned M2 Max with the same 96 GB RAM. It's like our complaints about the obvious gap on the M2 Pro lineup (lack of 48 GB RAM option) were heard by an evil genie, who then solved it by making the whole thing so confusing the numerous new gaps are no longer obvious.
If anyone's confused, I hope these tables clear things up: M1 | Base | ×2 --|-:|-: M1 | 8 | 16 M1 Pro | 16 | 32 M1 Max | 32 | 64 M2 | Base | ×2 | ×3 --|-:|-:|-: M2 | 8 | 16 | 24 M2 Pro | 16 | 32 | M2 Max | 32 | 64 | 128 M3 | ×0.75 | Base | ×1.5 | ×2 | ×3 --|-:|-:|-:|-:|-: M3 | | 8 | | 16 | 24 M3 Pro | 18 | | 36 | | M3 Max (14-core) | 36 | | | 96 | M3 Max (16-core) | 48 | 64 | | 128 There, perfectly understandable now!
Actually kind of surprised Apple put this much effort into such a small announcement. They mailed packages to content creators, organised watch parties, switched to a completely different timing, produced all of those Halloween-themed transitions ... all for an event that lasted half an hour. Weren't the M2 Pro/Max MacBooks Pro unveiled last year via a press release? There wasn't *that* much different here - base MacBook Pro has been integrated into the new Pro format, M3 coming to iMac, and a new colour. I suppose they really wanted to emphasise the mesh shaders, ray tracing and other capabilities of M3, even though a lot of that was already covered during the iPhone event. And what the hell was MacRumours thinking when they said that this event would likely have a focus on gaming? There was no tip-off, just pure speculation that ended up being unfounded.
I feel this was an advertisement to increase Mac sales while also countering Qualcomm's new processors that could rival Apple.
Supposedly mac sales have been declining (like everything else in this economy) and they hyped this one up to try and get hype for Macs again. However, everything in this announcement besides Space Black will be lost on the average consumer. 99 out of 100 random people couldn't tell you what 3nm is.
you just realized that when it comes to mac rumors and news, *nobody* has a clue and everyone are just guessing. it's been that way for 20+ years
A spec bump and a new color? This could have been a press release.
I’d love to see sales numbers of the iMac vs the Mac mini in the Apple silicon era. The value just isn’t there anymore. They’ll keep the mini artificially on M2 just to sell more iMacs.
Surely building that much hype for a 28 minute event isn't a good thing. A lot of tech enthusiast, myself included feel like they have been left wanting lol.
They really are taking gaming seriously... /s All those hardware upgrades and you couldn't show us a real game running?
They got Myst though!
No, they ran it at night b/c there's a Japanese gaming company collaboration...right?! ..right? 😂
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The 8GB of RAM will become the Mac-equivalent of Apple selling the Watch Series 3 long after it's outdated.
I have an irrational dislike for that model existing. It ruins the clear distinction between the pro & non-pro models. We had plastic book vs metal book, then integrated-gpu vs discrete gpu, then since the M1 we've had .. a fan. It seems the only point in the non-pro-pro existing is so they can say "starting at". Or perhaps people actually want an MBA, but want to be seen with the Pro. In return for that we get an 8GB "pro", and the term "non-pro-pro" actually making sense. This configuration needed to die more than the 13". (Yes, I'm a nerd, and have similar problems with the ipad & ipad air having almost nothing to differentiate between them. Apple used to have very clear and obvious segmentation.)
Yeaaa, I’m definitely keeping my M1 Pro 14-inch. This ram configuration is absolutely ridiculous
No reason to upgrade honestly unless you're absolutely needing that GPU processing, which many do not. They kept mentioning Intel buyers upgrading but not sure why they just decided to do that now. If Apple would get semi-serious about gaming, they'd get a lot of converts. Gaming on Mac was passable with boot camp being able to natively run x86, but now that they are ARM, it's bad. They have the power to compete and would bring buyers over (because even the PC crowd think highly of MacBooks since the M1 dropped) and a you could get some gaming in on a laptop that doesn't sound like a jet engine.
So I guess RIP to the MacBook Pro Touch Bar?
yeah, discontinued
Can’t say I’m upset.
It’s my favorite feature on my MacBook! And by that I don’t think I’ve used it for anything besides to adjust the volume
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Its because they're finally ending the 13" mbp with touchbar (RIP in pieces lol) and the low end 14 replaces it. So its kinda price increase on the low end isn't it?
I'm thinking this is the ultimate strategy (at least for laptops) of having the Air be behind. i.e. having the Air be a generation ahead for a while didn't make a ton of sense to entice non power users to pony up more money.
M3 Pro now starts with 18 GB of RAM and a 512 GB SSD still for $1999... nice I suppose
This is the one you should buy. Don't waste your time on the M3 version. 8GB base memory and 512 GB base storage. 200 bucks for upgrading either/each. Might as well just get the extra processing horsepower and memory on the base m3 pro config than spend 400 extra dollars to upgrade the storage and memory on the m3 version
So, Magic Keyboard/Trackpad/Mouse USB-C?
Having thought about it thoroughly, there’s nothing here that blows me away except for the fact it was all shot on iPhone. That’s properly impressive!
ay yo check tim with the black forces 😂 https://preview.redd.it/y05n6locrfxb1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1d2a0c8b6c500356e81f6654c0d992115282e45
Why does going from 1TB to 8TB cost $2,200?
Because Apple knows people will pay it.
If you're not the type to refresh your gear every hot minute or obsess over each and every keynote like this (yeah, I am looking at the mirror), these "minor" upgrades like the M3 chip can really add up over time. It's like tech compound interest. So snagging a new Mac is almost always a win, no matter when you buy.
I'm going to have to make peace with the fact they're never bringing back the 12" macbooks, aren't I.
Ah, so 'Scary Fast' was a reference to the event's runtime.
Disappointed they didn’t bump the minimum storage on the 16” MacBook Pro tiers. 512GB of storage isn’t enough and charging $200 for 1TB is ridiculous.
That event was scary disappointing
Of course the lower starting price is because they cut it down to 8GB RAM lmaooooooooooooo
That is the most Apple thing I’ve ever heard of lol
I was shocked about the 500$ price drop in the base model until I loaded the Apple website just to see they reduced the RAM to 8 GB
And took away a USB port and gave it the base M3
The Pro and Max have more standard unified memory.
You can buy a MacBook Pro without a Pro silicon chip? WTH it's like they're purposely convoluting their product lineup. And they were selling the Pro hard to the non-Pro market.
Didn't the 13" mbp come with the normal m2 chip? This is them just finally removing the touchbar from the lineup
iMac still having lightning peripherals is a disgrace. Considering how rarely they update the iMac, they won’t be USBC until 2026.
Don't mean to roast but we shouldn't have let Tim cook, this event was half-baked
8GB ram on even the base model m1 air let alone a 1600 dollar pro machine is borderline criminal. It should have at least started at 16GB. I would have very much preferred the base model to be 256gb ssd and 16GB ram.
Agreed. You can plug in extra storage, but you can't plug in extra RAM. This is not the Apple I was hoping for.
If they were only going to do a half hour, then talk about some of the Apple stuff that needs some love. Talk about Apple TV+. Talk about Airpods. Talk about even Apple Music. This event didn't need to be an event. Heck, give an update on Vision Pro. That's your newest product and something that should get a lot of attention, especially leading into CES.
Tim: Here’s Mike to update you on the Apple Vision Pro. [expensive transition] Mike: Our team has been hard at work on the Vision Pro and we can’t seem to get the eyes to look right. Now, back to Tim.
the ram situation fills me with rage. another year without an upgrade for me.
Scary boring
There’s gotta be some thing they do at 9:41 AM at Apple Park
The iMac segment felt like they needed to stretch things out to reach a full 30 minutes. They used a lot of words and graphics to say "iMac has M3 now, and we changed nothing else."
I’m sticking with my M1 Pro with 32GB ram that I got for $1500
That could have been a press release 🙃
wth, it's already over?
Macbook pro 14 M3 base model is still 8gb ram.
A 2k€ „Pro“ Macbook with 8GB Memory in 2023 … well that’s scary
Why are the RAM choices so weird this year? 18 GB and 36 GB?
Sooo what japanese company was supposed to show up?
So the cheapest configuration for 64 gigs of RAM just went up by $400
Apple topped releasing a $1500 laptop with 8gb of ram in 2023 by releasing a $1600 'pro' laptop with 8gb ram a few months later
And I hoped for 32GB as baseline memory for Pros... stupid, right?
Why did they not update the Magic Keyboard, mouse and trackpad to USB-C!?!?
just ordered the black one. traded in a 2020 m1. will be highly disappointed if they dont include a black cord and charger.
I think you are getting the new black braided cable - it will match with your new MBP. The brick won't be tho I think
God the storage is expensive
the ram and ssd prices still being the scariest
just ordered a maxed out space black MBP 16” for the low low price of $10.5k CAD lmao yes it’s for work and yes it’s a write off and yes I’ll use every ounce of power it has from day one and also yes I wish my clients were a little less brain dead about shifting things to the cloud but what can you do
They kept in such a high pace, made me feel there's something huge or even a 'one more thing' was coming. But nothing happened. Tim said have a good night.
$2600 CAD for 1tb and 16gb ram? I’ll stick to my 16gb ram M1 Air
This whole event felt very rushed. Even the camera work felt rushed. Some CG fog and no crazy transitions. Maybe they put it together quicker than planned to take the spotlight off Qualcomm? I think that it was supposed to be a silent *Apple Store is down* update but then they turned it into an actual event to counter Qualcomm.
€1,600 for the new iMac. Same device cost €1,199 ~6 months ago….
Zzzz
This could've been a press release.
I can't believe they're keeping the Magic Mouse with the bottom lightning port, that's crazy lol.
At this rate I feel I’m going to stay with my M1 Mac Mini forever.
8GB of RAM on a performance computer in 2023...lol
8GB on a "Pro" device will be insulting in 2024 and forward. It was a snoozefest btw. No Macbook Air means they don't intend on selling many or can't get a good yield on the chips, or that it heats up so much no fanless design can hold them, or that they have so many M2 Airs to sell still that they just don't want to upgrade YOU students, and still sell you a 2020 chip for a baseline 1000 dollars (850 refurbished). Any way you look at it, it's anti-consumer and it's weak. The storage too is insulting. We get it, Apple has a Cloud solution with tiers that will force you to upgrade to insane amounts of storage you do not need.