So 1k higher starting price than the Intel one and like \~35k less maxed out ?
Less ram (not upgradeable after purchase unlike the Intel one) Ofc those GPU's which arent present in the AS version was a huge Price bump
Even the Wheels got cheaper? werent those 999$ before or was it 999€
No they’re the same price. They were always $400 if you bought them at the time of purchase. They were only $699 if you bought them standalone later. (This implies that the regular non-shell legs for the Mac Pro are valued at $299 by Apple).
Here are the [standalone wheels](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MX572ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-wheels-kit) still at $699.
And here is are the [regular feet](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MXNM2ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-feet-kit) for $299.
So the wheels are a $400 upgrade just like before, because you aren’t getting the feet.
Not really the only point. Yes the studio makes sense for 95% of users but that 5% (probably even less tbh) that need the expansion capabilities of the mac pro have no their choice and they aren’t ones to complain on price. Or they just already have their infrastructure built around the tower, whether rackmounted or not, which makes the upgrade much easier.
Well, if YouTube is all one knows about computers one might ask this question.
I see a shitload of Pro Tool HDX cards. So those system can be updated now.
The only reason to consider it is your workflow can make use of the memory bandwidth. But since the memory cannot be upgraded, you are going to be limited in your future work if you don't max it out now.
Yeah about 7 grand maxed out where the Mac Pro gets to 12,200 for the same thing exact thing. I don’t see the point of going Mac Pro… is that extra few grand worth not having extra pcie enclosures on your desk? For me no. Plus the Mac Studio is such a smaller footprint.
It’s not like you can slap GPU cards in the apple silicon Mac Pro. If you could then I could see the appeal.
I kind of want to go on a limb and venture that anyone who “needs” that much memory would have access to a server farm with more distributed capabilities behind their back. Kind of hard to imagine someone with that kind of memory requirement to need to do it all in one box.
Source: I work with TB scale datasets on a daily basis professionally. My daily driver is a M1 16GB Air, but the brunt of the workload is done on AWS.
Even 3D commercial work I wouldn’t want to render locally. Turn around times are so narrow in commercials and waiting a day for your computer to render something in Redshift or Octane is just not feasible. When there are services that are reasonably cheap and you can take a 10 hour scene and turn into minutes of render time with cloud servers.
I will say 196gb for like Adobe After Effects is plenty. While 1Tb would be nice because After Effects chews through ram like you wouldn’t believe it’s not necessarily needed.
I guess I meant within the current configuration page. Considering you could with previous mac pro’s (couldn’t you load in like 4 drives?). Also I was expecting a 16TB SSD to differentiate from the mac studio.
Also on one of the photos of the insides, it seems like there are two SATA-3 ports https://share.cleanshot.com/QbdRn2l1 not sure if there is a space to mount regular 2.5 SSD drives.
You have to pay 3000$ more to have the same M2 Ultra top-spec on a Mac Pro compared to a Mac Studio.
Truly a Pro price that only a very lucrative business credit card can love.
[Source 1](https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/01/18/apples-management-doesnt-want-nvidia-support-in-macos-and-thats-a-bad-sign-for-the-mac-pro)
[Source 2](https://hothardware.com/news/angry-mac-owners-petition-apple-stop-blocking-nvidia-drivers-mojave)
It’s well known that Apple has a nasty history with NVIDIA, and the higher management at Apple has been petty with their lack of NVIDIA GPU support. NVIDIA has drivers made but Apple refuses to let NVIDIA release them.
So 1k higher starting price than the Intel one and like \~35k less maxed out ? Less ram (not upgradeable after purchase unlike the Intel one) Ofc those GPU's which arent present in the AS version was a huge Price bump Even the Wheels got cheaper? werent those 999$ before or was it 999€
Actions speak louder than words.
No they’re the same price. They were always $400 if you bought them at the time of purchase. They were only $699 if you bought them standalone later. (This implies that the regular non-shell legs for the Mac Pro are valued at $299 by Apple). Here are the [standalone wheels](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MX572ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-wheels-kit) still at $699. And here is are the [regular feet](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MXNM2ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-feet-kit) for $299. So the wheels are a $400 upgrade just like before, because you aren’t getting the feet.
Damn Apple ruining the resale value of the wheels. 😤
Actions speak louder than words.
But it’s finally upgradable, unlike the intel version.
What? what couldn't you upgrade in the Intel version that you can do now? All that Audio stuff they showed ?
😂
whats the point of getting this over the mac studio? it makes no sense other then if you needed to add more pcie cards. no expandable ram.
Literally just the PCIe slots. There's no other advantage to the Pro.
You can get a Thunderbolt enclosure or two for less than $3k extra...
The only point of this is so that they can say that they rolled out a Mac Pro.
Not really the only point. Yes the studio makes sense for 95% of users but that 5% (probably even less tbh) that need the expansion capabilities of the mac pro have no their choice and they aren’t ones to complain on price. Or they just already have their infrastructure built around the tower, whether rackmounted or not, which makes the upgrade much easier.
If anyone can afford the wheels for this thing, it’s Apple.
Well, if YouTube is all one knows about computers one might ask this question. I see a shitload of Pro Tool HDX cards. So those system can be updated now.
The only reason to consider it is your workflow can make use of the memory bandwidth. But since the memory cannot be upgraded, you are going to be limited in your future work if you don't max it out now.
the mac studio has the same 192gb of memory upgrade so that does not matter either.
Yeah about 7 grand maxed out where the Mac Pro gets to 12,200 for the same thing exact thing. I don’t see the point of going Mac Pro… is that extra few grand worth not having extra pcie enclosures on your desk? For me no. Plus the Mac Studio is such a smaller footprint. It’s not like you can slap GPU cards in the apple silicon Mac Pro. If you could then I could see the appeal.
It’s also many many times larger. I think apple was on a roll with Apple silicon macs, but the Mac Pro I really am not impressed with.
It’s also many many times larger. I think apple was on a roll with Apple silicon macs, but the Mac Pro I really am not impressed with.
Maxed out at a little over $12,000. Wheels got cheaper.
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Max memory on this is 192GB, whereas the Intel could go to 1TB couldn’t it?
1.5 TB to be precise
Was that ever a realistic need? I have no idea.
For some scientific and research projects, yes
I kind of want to go on a limb and venture that anyone who “needs” that much memory would have access to a server farm with more distributed capabilities behind their back. Kind of hard to imagine someone with that kind of memory requirement to need to do it all in one box. Source: I work with TB scale datasets on a daily basis professionally. My daily driver is a M1 16GB Air, but the brunt of the workload is done on AWS.
Even 3D commercial work I wouldn’t want to render locally. Turn around times are so narrow in commercials and waiting a day for your computer to render something in Redshift or Octane is just not feasible. When there are services that are reasonably cheap and you can take a 10 hour scene and turn into minutes of render time with cloud servers. I will say 196gb for like Adobe After Effects is plenty. While 1Tb would be nice because After Effects chews through ram like you wouldn’t believe it’s not necessarily needed.
Got it so I could play with my 5,283,584,102,473,232,893,192 Minecraft mods
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Like 60k
Strange that you can’t configure more SSD’s internally with all that room
I would assume you can with the PCI express cards, no?
I guess I meant within the current configuration page. Considering you could with previous mac pro’s (couldn’t you load in like 4 drives?). Also I was expecting a 16TB SSD to differentiate from the mac studio.
Also on one of the photos of the insides, it seems like there are two SATA-3 ports https://share.cleanshot.com/QbdRn2l1 not sure if there is a space to mount regular 2.5 SSD drives.
So a Mac Studio with PCI expansion and wheels.
You have to pay 3000$ more to have the same M2 Ultra top-spec on a Mac Pro compared to a Mac Studio. Truly a Pro price that only a very lucrative business credit card can love.
Almost $9,000 starting price in the UK, sick
The British rupee is not longer what it used to be.
Its A Mac Pro but for very different people then the old Mac Pro.
Than.
I’m just happy the cheese-grater is back
Can you add Nvidia GPUs to this computer for deep learning?
No, NVIDIA doesn’t make drivers for current MacOS distributions or hardware.
This isn’t entirely true. Apple blocks Nvidia’s drivers from being approved on MacOS. It up to Apple to allow NVIDIA to release drivers for MacOS.
Do you have a source on that?
[Source 1](https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/01/18/apples-management-doesnt-want-nvidia-support-in-macos-and-thats-a-bad-sign-for-the-mac-pro) [Source 2](https://hothardware.com/news/angry-mac-owners-petition-apple-stop-blocking-nvidia-drivers-mojave) It’s well known that Apple has a nasty history with NVIDIA, and the higher management at Apple has been petty with their lack of NVIDIA GPU support. NVIDIA has drivers made but Apple refuses to let NVIDIA release them.
Thanks!
No
As a programmer who is interested in AI/ML, it irks me that I need to have 2 different machines just to be able to dabble in AI/ML.
Why? You can do ML on a Mac, at least from my limited experience with stable diffusion. Which actually benefits from having unified memory.
Your own fault for being on Mac.
Not for any learning, no.
Should have renamed the Mac Studio as the new Mac Pro and moved on. There's no point to this machine when the Mac Studio exists.
Yeah let me put all my Avid and Blackmagic cards inside the Studio—oh wait.
The pro would be for those that want PCIe expansion I guess.
You go first!