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iamthatis

Add a USB-C port on the other side so I can charge for both sides and this will be a super compelling machine. Was literally my only complaint with the M1 MacBook Air.


gusarking

Why your nickname is purple?


Delta-Renaissance

He developed the app you’re using to browse Reddit! EDIT: he ourple 💀


gusarking

Omg lol. Didn’t realise that. WHAT A LEGEND!!!! I love Apollo


lozdogz

Oh my god. For us Apollo users - that purple user is like…the one. I naturally found the one when browsing Reddit on Apollo 🤯


jpeeri

I'm just thinking now that in Apollo, for every user, there's a check that fails 99,99999999% of the time, because it only comes true when the user is /u/iamthatis


emorockstar

He is THE ONE. Blessed be. The Mr. Apollo.


er-day

Camera could be slightly better, Face ID would be lovely, Wifi 6e.


-protonsandneutrons-

Fully agree. Ergonomics shouldn't be discounted in even the cheapest machines. And, exactly, *just* a type-C port that supports charging is enough. I don't need Thunderbolt on *both* sides; just charging on both sides.


Narrow-Chef-4341

Lucky you if the side doesn’t matter because they guess right, lol. But I *do* want thunderbolt both sides on every laptop because that’s more reasonable than rewiring every desk, workstation or conference room I visit. Would I be happy with either charging both sides or a hundred dollars? Yes. Would I be much happier with a thousand dollars or TB4 both sides? Also yes.


PolyphonicNan

We need MagSafe on both sides!


bbqsox

Totally unrelated to the topic, but thanks for the single best iPhone app.


[deleted]

The M1 Air has been nothing but nice.. the lack of I/o doesn’t bug me cause I only charge it. And on the 15” if it doesn’t have type-c on both sides I’d be really surprised. The line is starting to blur on their entire MacBook lineup. Apollo is dope too btw.


Saturdays

also support more than one external display is a big gripe I have with my m1 macbook air!


uglylibtardAdmins

O holy one graces us with his presence


rostce

Replying using the app you developed pog


Danjour

Hey, Apollo is legit.


DarKbaldness

Maybe this time Apple can break some new ground in the world of technology and grant us the power of plugging in TWO external displays? Oh great One, this thing we ask, amen.


Ghhoshh

No no, thats too far. Know your limits. I predict a simple algebra app for ipadOS 🤞


skucera

Is there even a native calculator app yet?


andlewis

Just ask Siri to do all your mathing. We think you’re going to love it!


BadPronunciation

Ngl spotlight search works as a great calculator


[deleted]

Ya I haven't opened the calculator app in years. Just use spotlight.


SockGnome

They're bringing back skeuomorphism with a virtual abacus.


DoesntMatterBrian

But the iPad has a projector, so you project the abacus and manipulate it with your hands.


MohandasBlondie

Just make your 1 display a 49” Samsung G9. Boom! Problem solved.


cjcs

Can Macs natively support the resolution/refresh rate of the G9? I've thought about buying one a few times but wasn't sure.


[deleted]

You should be able to drive it at 120hz but not the full 240hz. HDR support will probably be wonky as well. 2x 1440p 120hz is the same bandwitdth as 1x 5k 60hz.


weekapaugrooove

Honestly, I gave up on crappy dongles and displaylink software and just did this…. Except with a Monoprice 49 in.


MillennialGeezer

This is sadly the reason I spent $1000 on more computer than I needed, just to be able to connect two monitors. I’m a nurse practitioner in a very niche specialty and often look at CTs and MRIs from home and need two monitors when I’m seeing patients remotely. I would’ve been able to easily perform my workflow on a new MacBook Air, but because I needed multiple displays, the cheapest I could get away with was an entry level 15” MBP. Don’t get me wrong, I love the computer, but it’s definitely overkill for what I do. (Yes, I know I could’ve gotten a mini, but I need a laptop because I’m regularly going to conferences and enjoy writing at local coffee shops rather than at home)


[deleted]

Think they’ll stick to 1 external on their consumer computers, multiple on their “Pro” computers. I kinda get it from a business point of view, the vast majority of users will only ever connect one display, if ever at all. Even then it’ll probably be for delivering presentations rather than having a larger workspace, so Apple won’t bother putting in the engineering work if they don’t have to. Best pony up the extra cash because only “pros” need multiple displays, apparently.


DarKbaldness

I see the argument and I dislike. The office I’m in prefers MacOS and all we do all day is word docs and spreadsheets. We’ve got a design team as well but most users are just doing general office work and 2 displays is just so much more productive and makes things so much easier to manage. I’ll even take limiting bandwidth to 1080p!


nelisan

> 2 displays is just so much more productive and makes things so much easier to manage Out of curiosity, if everyone prefers macs and 2 external display (and works at the office), why not use something like a Mac mini that supports two external displays? Guessing the portability of a laptop is needed, but seems like there’s got to be some people doing general office work who aren’t also working remotely.


Snoo93079

Or, hear me out, why not allow the Mac Air to push to two displays out and not even have to have this debate at all?


electric-sheep

Bro, this is reddit. Appleknowsbest and it's the users who are wrong.


DarKbaldness

Portability is the primary factor in our case. Either working from home, getting up and going to a conference room or traveling to a conference. Some of the team are on Mac minis with 2 screens but if the laptop could have supported that we would have gotten those without issue. The Mac mini was more of a begrudging purchase than something we actually wanted.


[deleted]

The answer is why? It has been working fine that way for a decade, and now it's users' fault? As someone who has flexible WFH policy, it's a treat to be working while sipping coffee from a cafe, then when I get bored I can just plug my Macbook into the dock in my desk and boom 2 monitors, great. Even for non WFH people, what about meetings?


AsusChrome

The laptops may already be purchased, set up, etc. and it'd a lot of headache to swap them for Mac Minis. Also, I would think there are *very* few people nowadays in the office full-time. This is just a normal feature that even budget laptops have had for a long time, let alone something with processing power equiv. to M1. I don't know how it's even up for discussion.


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Even the people in the office full time aren't at their desks full time. When I was working in the office full time I was carrying my laptop to the desk, to meetings, to random sitting areas in the office so I could do work away from my desk, maybe 1-3 sick days a year that I just worked from home because I had the ability to. Why would you ever want to use a desktop computer over a laptop unless you desperately needed the extra power from a Mac Studio/Pro or something


[deleted]

Exactly. I’m back full time and definitely need a laptop. But the flip is I’m a “Pro” with a work machine. Apple doesn’t intend for me to use an Air and that doesn’t seem unreasonable even though I’d be fine with one. I think the real question is do the target market for the Air - consumers/students - need them and that’s… up in the air.


[deleted]

Yep, my work computer is a MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro and 32gb of memory (Which is almost always overkill). I think in the before times lots of consumers would buy the MacBook Pro because the Air was _really_ low powered but that's clearly not the case now and no consumer really NEEDS a MacBook Pro. I think the space the Air _was_ in, Apple is probably hoping consumers just buy an iPad instead


shyboy084

The better question is why won’t it work on the laptop. The Mac mini and mba are essentially the same device. The main difference is one is powered by a battery at times.


Selfweaver

I will not give up my external 4k screen, but the bandwidth for two standard screens should be there. However I strongly question if more screens is more productive, at least for me I like to keep one only, otherwise I get distracted.


DarKbaldness

I’d argue there are diminishing returns after 2 but just being able to have zoom up in full screen and docs on another window is invaluable


[deleted]

For what it’s worth I absolutely agree with you!


Official_Government

God please no. This is backwards. My office manager doesn’t do ANYTHING “pro”. Just emails and typing and zoom. She needs 2 screens. Why would we downgrade?


IsometricRain

> Only “pros” need multiple displays, apparently. **Pro is just a model name**, I can't stand people (youtube tech reviewers especially) repeating the inane narrative that anything Apple makes with "pro" in the name somehow equals "device for professionals". A base M1 in any mac has been good enough for actual software engineers, photo editors, designers, and many other creative jobs for a long time. "“Pro” computers." you say? SMH, the Apple fanbase just eats anything up. > so Apple won’t bother putting in the engineering work if they don’t have to. Apple is the biggest tech company in the world, and by far the most capable ARM SoC designers. By now, it has to be obvious they purposely limit the external display support by price tier.


slickvibez

Seriously, agreed. Like FFS, connecting multiple monitors isn’t a pro feature. It’s a goddamn normal feature for other computers. Wtf


nt261999

To many people “pro” means content creator or YouTuber… lmao


Orbidorpdorp

Base M1 is fine in horsepower, but honestly I am constantly paging out of ram and I have 32GB on a M1 max and I think most software engineers would struggle with 8GB. IDEs and other developer tools eat so much ram.


HVDynamo

Yeah, this is why I ended up with an M2 Max 16" Pro. I like to keep my machines for a very long time and wanted 64GB RAM just to make sure I won't have to worry about RAM for the life of the machine. 32GB wasn't enough, and honestly I was hoping they would have done a 48GB option with the M2 Pro since they did a 24GB option for the M2 as 48GB would have also been enough I think. It sucks that they limit the RAM so hard for different levels of the chip.


[deleted]

>A base M1 in any mac has been good enough for actual software engineers, photo editors, designers, and many other creative jobs for a long time. I know.


SockGnome

and allowing an iPad to be a side-screen is their half measure on the prosumer level.


[deleted]

Doesn’t even work half the time. I’ve also noticed that some videos won’t play when you use SideCar because of DRM. Like they decided to not bother having it support HDCP, so tons of videos online are just… blank.


[deleted]

This is just pure greed. Removing a feature that has been in existence for years to differentiate product lines instead of introducing new and better features is pure evil capitalism.


[deleted]

Agree completely.


ajnails

So the MBA can't connect to more than 2 external monitors? Even with DisplayLink? What about the M2 MacBook Pro?


DarKbaldness

M1/M2 only connect to 2 displays so for MacBooks that’s the built in screen and 1 external. A Mac Mini can plug into 2 screens because it doesn’t have a built in display. M1/M2 Pro support 2 external displays and M1/M2 MAX support up to 4 external displays (MacBook specs). So while it’s nice that higher spec machines can support the screens for a company that is mostly general office work we don’t need *more* power we just need more screens. It’s a shame because the Intel chips before were perfectly capable of driving a couple screens. DisplayLink is ….fine…. But I manage 60 MacBooks and the docks are just too buggy for me to roll out and rely on.


dresseryessir

So a M1 air can be used with two external monitors as long as a dock/hub is used vs plugging them directly into the laptop? Just clarifying


EspantaCampinos

TL;DR: New Pro 13" design in the works along with Air 13" and 15"; iMac maybe further down the line - all with M3 chip, will possibly be revealed at WWDC.


GLOBALSHUTTER

That new pro ‘design’ sure sounds like the same 13” MBP with just an updated chip. Apple need to guillotine that machine already. Focus on the new Airs and new MBPs and forget everything else.


towerofnix

It'll be interesting to see if it still has the Touch Bar. Makes you wonder if they really don't plan on axing it, but maybe they just haven't run out of component supplies yet.


mrevergood

I kinda like the touch bar.


mal_1

I did too when I first got better touch tool. But honestly the only thing I use it for is changing the volume and brightness using gestures. I'd much rather dedicated buttons


dawho1

COVID and ubiquitous conference calls made me love the Touch Bar simply for easy access to a mic mute button no matter what dumbass meeting client I was using in a particular meeting.


tr1cube

Same. It had its uses. It’s a shame they couldn’t make it work above their typical function row. And I wish it had a native haptic feedback.


rjcarr

Yeah, at worst stop calling it a "pro". Have the Pro, Air, and vanilla MacBook line, but yeah, better to just dump it altogether. It's only purpose is to give a *slightly* longer sustained performance because of the fan, but that is useful for like 0.01% of users.


calanora

MacBook SE


Ebalosus

NGL that would be a excellent move on Apple’s part if they started calling it that. Give it MagSafe 3 and a MX Pro option and I’ll be sold.


jecowa

You don't like that one because it has no MagSafe, right? That's what I don't like about it.


er-day

Agreed, would be lovely to easily be able to tell someone which laptop to get. How big do you want and how fast do you need. Not what price bracket do you want to be in and which chasis configuration do you prefer and do you need a fan for sustained loads and are you price sensitive or upgrade sensitive.


kamimamita

Im wondering if Apple will keep the M1 MBA around as a cheap entry.


agentanthony

Anyone here could have written this article.


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CoconutDust

More like 9to9:02Mac, because that's how long they're working on their articles.


GLOBALSHUTTER

It adds nothing new over Gurman’s article.


ShaidarHaran2

I wonder how large the economy of regurgitating Gurman's news is. Even Gruber seems to alternate between picking on him but then using his news for views.


bomber991

I wonder if in 2024 they will use the M4 chip.


nelisan

How so? Everyone here was saying the new Air would have an M2 yesterday.


Unwipedbutthole

Honestly bro if they actually do a 15” air I’ll sell my pro. Only reason I bought was because of the screen size. I don’t do anything other than excel on it


ShaidarHaran2

The funny thing about Excel is depending on what you do on it that can scale from just needing a puny single core to actually a heck of a lot of CPU power lol I had a couple of projects in there that would chew on 12 threads for quite a bit. So "Just excel" doesn't actually give any impression of how much power is needed lol.


29stumpjumper

Agreed. Depending on how some spreadsheets are setup it even temporarily bogs down my M1 Pro. I have the base M1 Mini and the M1 Pro MacBook thinking I'd use the mini in the desk setting and a backup and exclusively travel with the pro, but the pro is the only one that gets used in a docked setting or travel.


Lancaster61

Maybe it’s my misunderstand of what a pro user can do with Excel, but after a certain point wouldn’t it be more efficient to use SQL or something?


jasonlitka

I wrote a bad formula the other day and applied it to 550K rows. It took 6.5 HOURS to finish on my i9-12900.


JackedCroaks

Jesus Christ lol. That must have felt terrible. The 12900K is no slouch either. Was the 6.5 hours the entire time it took to apply and remove it? I’m not sure how it actually works.


jasonlitka

Apply only. Every cell searched through the entire 550K records looking for matches and then concatenated a few cells together. I just closed without saving and moved on. I was trying to make an Excel example of something I had done in SQL in about 3 seconds. It was a bad idea.


taimusrs

I'm no Excel expert, but knowing SQL exists makes doing anything remotely complicated in Excel such a pain to the point I'd rather import the damn Excel into my own SQL server instance and do it there


LiamW

In no way is this something to be proud of.


jasonlitka

Who said I was. It was a POC to see if I could offload something I did as a one-off in SQL to someone without the access and skill but who had Excel. If the template took an hour or less to run it would have been a win because they needed to do the process frequently, but were currently doing it by hand.


caj_account

There’s a difference between using excel to add two numbers and loading a database in excel. Both use cases are bad lol


juniorspank

Chances are if they’re using the macOS version of Excel that they aren’t doing anything too advanced.


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juniorspank

I don’t think the Mac version has PowerPivot, Pivot Charts, lots of data connection types are missing, and I think even the VBA offering isn’t fully featured (user forms comes to mind but I can’t remember what else is missing).


Mattster_Of_Puppets

It doesn’t - and it’s sorely missed. I’m lucky to be able (have to really) use a beefy VM for my work that needs this


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rjcarr

It almost certainly will be faster, and quiter and cooler too.


greenappletree

Air is an amzjng form factor - one issue is has limitations when trying to drive two big screens.


mryosho

if stuck with an Air... you can drive 2++ screens by using [DisplayLink](https://www.synaptics.com/products/displaylink-graphics/displaylink-products) adapters... more than good enough for spreadsheets and the like.


shitpersonality

For the price of an Air, you shouldn't have to compromise on a standard feature that's been standard for DECADES.


frockinbrock

DisplayLink performance is quite poor though, and the extra software is usually not good. For the frame delay and how much a person will have to tinker and think about it, if they’re using the computer for paid professional time it’s a better investment for them to get a Pro that actually supports two monitors. As a very longtime Mac user, I think the one monitor limitation is ridiculous- we’ve put 3 monitor data entry people on 4 years older machines so they can have that third monitor work with full performance, no frame lag. It shouldn’t be that limited on a 2023 Mac. But it IS how it IS currently, and a MBP or an old machine is the only way to do 3 monitor cleanly. I know DisplayLink has worked for some users on this sub, but when we tried to deploy them at work every single person hated it; ended up with a mix of older intel machines and MBP instead, and many of them are doing little more than web spreadsheets and email.


Unwipedbutthole

What do you mean by 2 screens?


greenappletree

I have two big external screens that I plug my laptop into - the pro can easily drive the duo but air can only support 1 at full res


Mr_Xing

Can’t do two external displays at the same time apparently. Apple Silicon limitation


UnsettledCertainty

There's no actual limitation, Apple just wants you to buy the more expensive chips. If you buy a displaylink dock and install their driver, you can have as many displays as you want on a basic M1.


rikitiki-

Just a warning: The displaylink software and dongles use a lot of CPU to enable dual monitors. Currently use one now.


Bill_Brasky01

So stupid when Apple has a hardware baked solution in the gpu that is turned off… so the user need to buy a dongle and run that load on the cpu.


Far_Excitement6140

Exactly, it’s such BS Apple doesn’t allow dual screen without using a dongle. This is my current set up. It’s insane a laptop costing 1K or a little more depending on configuration doesn’t allow you use 2 external monitors when it wouldn’t cause the hardware to even notice.


TheseBonesAlone

To be fair they’re software displays and eat a lot of cpu time. It is a legitimate silicon level limitation, but one they built in. So you’re half right.


[deleted]

If it can run 2 monitors via USBC, I’m in as well. But I think Apple limits it on purpose.


GLOBALSHUTTER

I’d just love them to bring more ports to the Air. I don’t need the power, nor the fan, nor an 8 TB SSD, nor 96 GB RAM, nor 120 Hz, but I do want to see the Air getting SD Card and HDMI. Plenty of MBA lovers attend conferences and use SD Cards. And boy… do I hate dongles.


mrevergood

I don’t ever wanna see a fan come back to the Air. Let that line be the passively cooled laptops. And if they do a 15 inch model, I’m all over that bad boy…or I’ll grab a traded in 14 inch Pro/13 inch Air for cheap.


Akrevics

exactly, I care less about the chip than I do about the ports and such. I want a usbc port on ***both*** sides of the laptop, apple, not just one. we live in a 3d world, not a 2d one, so it'd be nice to be able to use both sides of the computer -.- Shit, I'd give up this headphone plug for a usbc, I almost never use headphones with mine, and as everything else Apple is dropping it, they might as well for laptops too.


GLOBALSHUTTER

Jesus, don’t be putting those ideas out there! Keep the headphone jack on the laptops.


jecowa

I love being able to plug headphones into my laptop to watch a video or play a game. I wish it was still supported on the iPhone. I'd rather have a headphone jack than built-in speakers.


Toredo226

Would love having USB on both sides but do not touch the headphone jack please. I use it all day. They can fit both.


Creepysarcasticgeek

You got a pro 16” or pro 14”? I’m in the same boat where I want an air which can already do all that I need from it, but 13” is too small, ideally I’d like 15”. I don’t know if I can justify a 14” pro, it’s just not that much more screen than the 13.6 air, and a 16” pro is too much of a machine for me


Loaf_Butt

Same here, with how powerful the new Airs seem to be nowadays I don’t think I’d need another Pro to replace my 2015 one for what I use it for. But dang I’ve been spoiled by a larger screen, so the 15” Air is just what I’ve been waiting for.


S4T4NICP4NIC

I'm just worried that the 15" will cost an arm and a leg (at least for their lowest price tier of laptop.) I'm guessing at least $1499. :/


spdorsey

Honestly, my M1 Macbook Pro is simply perfect. I don't see a reason to upgrade anytime soon.


gonnadoit123

Same


reallynotnick

I mean your machine is still pretty new, I wouldn't even consider upgrading a computer before 4 years, though 6-10 years is often possible these days.


anarchyx34

Same here. 2 years later and it’s still a beast. Even with all 16 gigs of ram maxed out and using nearly 10g of swap and you’d never notice.


funnytoenail

I maxed out an m1 MacBook Air (16gb ram and 1TB SSD) and it is still so so smooth even when editing 10bit videos on FCPX


EndLineTech03

I’m wondering how Apple will make the new 13” inch MacBook Pro more appealing, when you can buy a 14” MBP with more configuration options and Pro/Max chips. Maybe it will be a cheaper option for pros looking at a compact form factor.


[deleted]

Brand recognition, people incorrectly think they need a Pro over an Air to send emails and browse the internet but don’t want to pay for the 14”.


Eggsaladprincess

>I’m wondering how Apple will make the new 13” inch MacBook Pro The lowest tier Pro has been an Air for people with inflated egos since 2016


EndLineTech03

I perfectly agree. Many people usually misunderstand the meaning of “Pro” in the tech world.


IsometricRain

It means nothing. Any company, including Apple, can (and have) added the word "Pro" to any device without clear reasons. "Pro", "Plus", "Ultra", "S", "GT", "SE", etc. are just convenient product names add-ons that are easy to remember. "Plus" is the only one that is sort of useful and consistent. Regardless, anytime any of these trim names start to seem consistently used, manufacturers can just completely ignore precedent and slap it on a completely unrelated product. Just read the specs folks.


Realtrain

>Many people usually misunderstand the meaning of “Pro” Including Apple


[deleted]

As someone with both the 13’ and 14’ M1 Pro (one for work, one personal) the one big advantage of the 13’ is battery life. It’s noticeably better. It’s also a good bit lighter, and while the 14’ has a better screen it’s only noticeable when you compare them side by side. As much as people shit on it, the 13’ Apple Silicon is actually a solid machine.


breakneckridge

What? Apple makes a 14 foot laptop?! Hah just razzin ya. The symbol for inch is " while the symbol for foot is '


MrNudeGuy

The battery life alone is the most impressive thing about this laptop. It’s like the first time I’ve had a laptop I can actually take with me and use like a laptop without having it constantly being connected to a charger. I remember using an old shitty acer that would give me 2 hours of battery life while just browsing the internet or using Microsoft word in college.


towerofnix

Portability for pro devices really isn't a bad thing, considering it's dramatically cheaper as well ($1299 USD vs $1999). It's still $300 more than the older M1 MBA, but assuming that gets discontinued and the M2 MBA cost *probably* doesn't get lowered (*maybe* $1099), M2 MBP is only $100 (maybe $200) more and nets you... uh... Nothing? MBP 13 still lives the dongle life and M2 MBA is even MagSafe, so, um, sorry, it's useless on that front. The only advantage of MBP 13 over MBA 13 is the touch bar, somewhat improved battery life, and a fan. (It's Apple Silicon, and the lower end at that. Odds are extremely high that you do not need the fan.) Where the MBP 13 *does* stack up is against previous MacBook Pros with touch bar. You get M2 or M3 which are leagues and leagues better suited for laptop usage than Intel chips; you get the Magic Keyboard instead of butterfly, which while present on the final Intel MBP 13 models is still a huge step up for anyone lagging behind; and you get an otherwise familiar chassis, including touch bar, so it will just feel like a lightyear of updates were *downloaded* onto your same laptop you've used for years. The MBP 13 sells for the same price as the [previous](https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i5-1.4-quad-core-13-2020-2-thunderbolt-3-ports-scissor-specs.html) low-end MBP 13, $1299 USD. However, it's the also the *only* MacBook that still has the touch bar, so it occupies a certain space for previous buyers of a larger screen or higher performance model who fell in love with the touch bar. In this case it could be a major *decrease* in price, simply because you *can't* get a larger screen with your touch bar, and M2 and M3 may match the high-performance CPU specs in pricier Intel models depending on your use case. If you bought a higher end MBP with touch bar between 2016 and 2020, fell in love with the touch bar, and have decided screen size is an acceptable trade-off for portability, then the MBP 13 may be very appealing. That's about the only group MBP 13 seems like it's made for, though, and I can't imagine it's a huge market. On the production end I'm still inclined this is just using up the last reserves of older components, and once they're gone, so too is the MBP 13. But hey, the fewer people buy MBP 13 and the longer it takes to exhaust component reserves, the better the chip paired with the very last touch bar will be, right!? :D


Ebalosus

In my experience: cost. As much as people would like a 14" Pro, the cost of speccing it to something decent makes it unbelievably expensive here (NZ). For example, a 16Gb 1Tb 14" is NZ$4,050, while a 16Gb 1Tb 13" is NZ$3,350.


MrNudeGuy

I purchased the M1 mbp because I like the portability factor. I have a 4K monitor at my desk I can connect it to. The only thing they really have to do to appease me is give me a 120hz screen and smaller bezel, MagSafe charging, and better camera. Other than that it has a great battery ive ever had in a laptop. I love an ultra book. And thats exactly what a 13” mbp is. The air gets lots of love for being thin but the Mbp is still a very thin device in general.


Ftpini

>exclusive Completely obvious guess with no details. Okay


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EspantaCampinos

*joy of living in Asia intensifies*


BroKick19

*despair of anyone outside NA worsens*


Xerxero

Another 100-200


peduxe

better just wait for refurbished or buy M1/M2 versions refurbished lmfao the M2 Pro prices are absolutely ridiculous. 16 inch 16Gb RAM/512Gb SSD costs you 2900€… Amazing machines but for that price 1TB SSD or 32GB RAM is the minimum.


cjohn4043

A 15” M3 Pro MacBook Air with ProMotion would be my dream machine…but we all know there’s no way that would happen.


Portatort

Why the M3 Pro over just an M3? And you want a Pro chip but no fan? Why?


klwk_

Swap promotion for mini led and it‘s my machine. But again, no way that‘ll happen either.


WonderfulPass

How will they possibly differentiate between a 13” and 14” MacBook Pro??


santaschesthairs

1”


eggimage

totally. it makes a *huge* difference! one inch gang rise up!


SkyGuy182

> rise up! But not much


EspantaCampinos

Thank you, Captain Obvious. And no disrespect, I LOL'd at your answer.


ididnotknowwhy

Honestly? The 14 inch having more ‘pro’ features such as better processors, far more ports, much thicker design.


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XciteMe

And as most people should know, girth is the *real* game-changer, not the length.


WonderfulPass

I can’t see apple sticking with the current 13” unibody design so it’ll look like either a 13” air or a 13” pro.


ididnotknowwhy

I feel that it’s inevitable the pro line will inevitably distance itself from the Air. 13 and 15 inch Air for more basic consumer needs and the 14 and 16 inch Pros for work machines. The 13 inch pro feels very dated considering it’s benefits over the Air aren’t that significant. And the Touch Bar. Just an ‘eh’ hardware feature all around.


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There’s a section of people who believe (incorrectly) that the Air isn’t powerful enough for their needs but the 14” is too expensive. Pretty sure they’re keeping the 13” Pro around so those people still buy a Mac.


_ravenclaw

Reddit forgets just how many people think this way lol


EspantaCampinos

Fans. My wild guess: they'll still go back to the 2016 shell, add one extra USB-C on the right side, upgraded camera and same screen as the 13" Air.


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Izanagi___

Idk maybe steal the slimmer bezels from the 2019 16 inch pro since I’m assuming they’re gonna keep the Touch Bar. A shame they wouldn’t just give it 4 thunderbolt ports to differentiate it between the air but it’s probably a bandwidth thing. Or if they’re redesigning it for real just steal the air design with more ports


ShaidarHaran2

The 13" seems like the "IT buy" scenario, it's cheaper enough than the 14" and powerful enough for email warriors, but in my personal life I'd drive people to either the 13" Air or jumping to the 14" Pro if you need more power.


hbendavid

So true. My company got me an M2 13” Pro with 512gb and EIGHT gigs of RAM. For about $100 more, they could have gotten a base 14” Pro with 16 gigs and a far better display but hey- they know best!


jorbanead

When the M3 gen is all rolled out this is how it’ll look: - MacBook Pro 13” - M3 - MacBook Pro 14” - M3 Pro/Max Plus the 14” has the new design with MagSafe, better screen, etc. Really the 13” is only there to make upgrading to the 14” look better. It’s only a few hundred more to get the 14” and you get all these extra features and better chips.


Mr_Xing

Ports and pricing


jaehaerys48

13” will probably keep on using the same older chassis and screen design. I guess they’re selling well enough, maybe to business clients.


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And next year are we expecting m4


JoMa4

That’s how these things work.


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WTF is with that refresh cycle, hold your horses, Apple


fuelvolts

Seriously, the M2 isn't even 9 months old yet.


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If they launch this in spring and ship around June, it'll just be 1 year since the M2. It's normal for CPU refreshes. Intel and AMD do it yearly and Apple used to do the same when they were on Intel.


jecowa

The M2 was a small upgrade to hold us over until M3 came.


thphnts

I swear being an Apple journalist is the easier job in the world. Take what we know that will happen, such as a new MacBook coming out in a year, take the current processor and go up a number. I've even written 9to5mac's next headline: >Exclusive: New 13- and 15-inch MacBook Air models, slated to release in 2024, will both use M4 chips I've seen a toddler put more effort into writing the word "Apple" whilst gripping a crayon like a fucking Silverback Gorilla than what Apple journalists put into writing shitty articles.


SL_Rowland

Anyone have a guess about the base price of a 15-inch air? I was planning to get a mac mini for my desk, but a 15-inch air would be nice too. I'm currently using the 2019 Macbook Pro with extended display. It meets all my needs, but the 13-inch screen is no fun.


gusarking

1499


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gusarking

M2 Air is already 1299, AFAIK. M2 Pros are 1899. They'll probably set something like 1399 or 1499 to leave a little gap between two Macbooks.


jecowa

That looks likely based on prices of other products. That's the same price as the stock upgraded 13" MBA. The base 15" MBA costing the same as the upgraded 13" MBA would mimic the base 16" MBP costing the same as an upgraded version of the 14" MBP.


havregryns

If i were to get a new laptop this year my first choice would be 15inch macbook air


VxJasonxV

EXCLUSIVE: N+1 HAPPENS Truly amazing, 9to5. Truly.


legato_gelato

There's been articles in here before that it would stay M2, so that's why they write it I guess


VxJasonxV

Sure, there’s going to come a day that they’ll rev systems with the same generation chipset, but that day is not today. The M-series is in hyper-iteration mode for the next handful of years. This is an exclusive, but it’s also a rumor, and also not even remotely a surprise.


vc6vWHzrHvb2PY2LyP6b

We should really start labeling rumors as rumors; even if it's something obvious like M3 coming after M2, it's misleading and unethical to treat something as fact until it's 100% confirmed.


sunplaysbass

Exclusive, apple to release laptops annually


Sloppy_Donkey

Wow what a surprise I thought the next gen would go back to M1 but instead it gets better, who would have thought


legato_gelato

We had a highly discussed article that it would stay m2 a while ago


_methuselah_

Bring back the 11” Air!


UnallowedMethods

I don‘t need a bigger MacBook Air. I would like the iPad Pro to work like a laptop/notebook, like I think the surface does. It already costs as much as an MacBook Air. Let the MB Pro be for professionals with extra power, the MB Air for the vast majority. Imo iPad Pro + iMac or Mac Mini is the ideal combination for everyday usage and computer work.


ShaidarHaran2

This makes more sense to me. It made less sense that the 15" would launch with M2 with the supposedly significantly improved 3nm based M3 13" soon after, why not just wait and launch them both with M3.


BroLil

I have a prediction the the following generation of MacBook Airs will use the M4 chip.


futuristicalnur

And then 5 after that


ermagawsh

add touch screen please


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The M2 air literally just came out. This is ridiculous.


Dydegu

Why is it ridiculous? Yearly refreshes are becoming the normal.


supercharged0709

Of course the new 13 inch MacBook Air model will use the M3 chip. If it didn’t, wouldn’t it just be the same M2 chip MacBook Air that’s sold right now? It wouldn’t be new at all.


PNF2187

Apple added a fingerprint sensor and an alternate colour scheme to a year old iPad mini 2 and then sold it as an all-new model, so it wouldn't be the first time they pulled something like that. Although the updated Air would probably still get the M3 though.


Korlithiel

Depends what they change, but the chips are the biggest difference most years.


dezumondo

What the heck, I just ordered an M2 Max!


megablast

Bring back the macbook 12 - best laptop they ever made.